1.2 8V and 1.4 8V Fiat FIRE Engine Comparison (Punto mk2 188 vs Grande Punto mk3 199)

[@JoniK1]

Here's the water pump comparison, bigger one is newer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip6zoHmNf6eeqdE

[@ZoidZoidZoidberg]

Thanks Jonik. Currently working on swapping out my turbo 1.1 (Van Aaken) 126 to a 1.2 MPI turbo (DET3). Your videos really help, thanks!!

[@iabdozz]

i learn alot about my Punto from your channel, i started to loving this car 👍👍

[@JohnWick-yh5kn]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with us🤝

[@anotherbarry]

I rebuilt the 1.2 8v top-end completely and reassembled the engine before I realised that I had a cracked piston ring in cylinder 2. I would like to remove the piston and rod from below, so I that I can avoid disassembly. Do you know if it's possible to remove the crankshaft and get the piston out from underneath?

[@JoniK1]

Yes, I have done that

[@JoniK1]

You should clean the oil pump filter at the same time

[@anotherbarry]

@@JoniK1 thank you! I wasn't sure if I would have enough clearance to get them past the mains, that will save me a lot of time

[@anotherbarry]

@@JoniK1 good advice, really appreciate it 🙏

[@anotherbarry]

@@JoniK1 when you did it, did you remove the cylinder head first and push the pistons up from the bottom? Or did you manage to remove the pistons with the cylinder head still attatched to the block? I have the sump and oil pickup removed, but it looks like there is not enough room to remove the piston from below

[@jinxwil]

Good luck with the build 🤞

[@EoinFe]

I have an 06 fiat grande punto and it came from factory with the 8 valve 1.2 fire and engine but it has the new head with the ne oil filler cap.

[@JoniK1]

Yes, all Grandes should have that newer engine

[@EoinFe]

@@JoniK1 just wondering if you know are they non interference engine the 8v fire in the early G P's

[@JoniK1]

It's the same design as older FIREs so I don't think there will be problems. I tried to rotate the 1.4 8v engine without timing belt and it spun freely

[@enigmista994]

Great video my friend! Just a question: are engine supports for the chassis mounting the same in both engines?

[@JoniK1]

Hi! No but you can swap them easily, same bolt pattern on all FIRE engines. I swapped that engine after the video, it has been working great. Only problem was the VVT but I got it working, there's a video about it

[@israelj.talavera.2004]

Thanks Jonik.

[@akumabito2008]

What is your favorite FIRE engine to work on and make power?

[@JoniK1]

Of course TJET swap would be the easiest solution for power but sadly it's not legal in here for a modern car. 1.2 8V is really robust if compared to 16V but it doesn't really matter if you're not going to boost it. Now I want to know how this 1.4 8V will perform but sadly I had to use 1.2 cylinder head because the camshaft is different. I'll try to make it usable

[@israelj.talavera.2004]

Fiat Seicento Sporting, 1.4 8v swap very interesting. Fuel pression pump?

[@JoniK1]

No need for any changes if you use stock cylinder head, I just installed 1.2 8V cylinder head to 1.4 8V bottom end

[@samivaananen8770]

@@JoniK1 Hieno kombo jos se toimii. Ainakin paljealue ja puristus-suhde muuttuu tässä swapissa. Kerro jatkossa kuinka pelittää 👌

[@israelj.talavera.2004]

@@JoniK1 thank you very much, Jonik, you is the best.👍

[@JoniK1]

Joo kyllä toimii hyvinkin, vääntöä aivan eri malliin kuin mitä 1.2 moottorilla oli. Tällä viikolla koitan saada videota tänne

[@sarath5050]

Can we add Turbo & Intercooler from Abarth to 1.4 Enging

[@fv7765]

Could you confirm (if you know) the exhaust manifold on 1.2 16v is same as 1.4? I saw performance manifold 4-2-1 on 1.4 it looks same for fit on 1.2 16v?

[@JoniK1]

Bolt pattern is the same in cylinder head but there can be a difference how the exhaust manifold is bolted to exhaust

[@antonisantonis655]

hi!! I have the 1.2 8v and at 173k km only, it burns a lot of oil even tho I am doing regular oil changes. What is your opinion about this engine? good or bad? Also, the timing belt tensioner on this engine as you say is much worse than the newer engine tensioner, Fiat ask for a special tool to tension the old engine timing belt which is impossible to find, and even if you find it it will be very expensive, the result is to end up to tight the belt by your experience ( if you have any ) probably with a screwdriver like me or a plier, that was the most difficult part of the job for me as I could not be sure what exactly the correct tension should be, sad thing I had not see your video so to know that the newer tensioner fit in my engine to buy and put it on when I change the timing belt 1 week ago. Also, one other problem I have found with the old engine is the aluminum of the engine head, I dont know why, but Fiat should have used low-quality aluminum, and after 20 years of use and a lot of heat-cool cycles, some of the threads on it ( like the ones that hold the valve cover ) are getting stripped VERY VERY easily and make a small job a big one. Other problems I have with this engine was with the coil packs and the ECU, but those are general engine problems that the other engine could also have.

[@JoniK1]

How much is the oil consumption? 0.5L/1000km is still rated "normal" in here. I had to top the oil every 1000km on my 300k km 1.2 8V engine. It gave up soon after that, no compression in third cylinder because of burnt exhaust valve

[@andreabaietti8334]

​@@JoniK1300k on a fire is not much, are you sure they were original?

[@JoniK1]

@@andreabaietti8334 Yeah I bought it 50k driven with full service history

[@fusherls]

valve seals are gone...

[@mabuelaadam5837]

Can 1.4 uses 1.2 crankshaft sensor with 1.2 computer box?

[@JoniK1]

Yes, check my newest 1.4 8v video

[@LeartKukaj-v2s]

Can punto mk3 engine fit on mk1 punto ?

[@JoniK1]

Yes if you use original intake manifold (sensors), crankshaft sprocket and pulley (ignition will be 15 degrees retarded otherwise). VVT may have to be locked (I haven't tested that yet). And of course you need to relocate coil pack. But yeah basically it's fittable

[@mjrwrxk2295]

The 1400 is the fire evo Say if i am wrong

[@JoniK1]

Yes some are, there's minor differences

[@fabbricaitalianaautomobili5859]

Hi,would you consider selling your 1,2. Throttle body?

[@samivaananen8770]

Mielenkiintoista vertailua. Ei taida olla nokatkaan vaihto kelpoisia keskenään. 1.2 mk2 ja mk2b eroaa juuri sen verran että ei stemmaa. 1.2 mk2b ja 1.4 nokat saattaisi sopia ehkä keskenään.

[@JoniK1]

2006 Puntoon meni ainakin 866 nokka vielä

[@samivaananen8770]

@@JoniK1 Tarkoitin lähinnä moottoreiden eroja. mk2b korissa saattaa vielä löytyä uutta ja vanhaa sekaisin. Ne missä on kierrekorkki tai painettava korkki on kansien rakenteissa eroja. Itse en saanut 866 nokkaa sopimaan 2005 uuden mallin mottiin.

[@samivaananen8770]

Kun rupesin asiaa muistelemaan niin uudemmassa kannen mallissa nokan hihnapyörän puoleinen laakerointi on suurempi halkaisijainen kuin vanhemmassa 866 nokassa. Siksi se ei sopinut.

[@JoniK1]

Se 2006 oli joo vielä sillä vanhemmalla moottorilla mutta siinä oli metallinen kannentiiviste ja erilainen öljytikku nyt ainakin eli tollanen jännä välimalli. En oo vielä ite ehtinyt tuota nokkaa tutkimaan mutta kuvien perusteella ainakin on eroa jonkin verran. Toki tuo 1.4 nokka on yllättävän hyvä eli ei tarttis periaatteessa kuin saada nokkapyörä modattua

[@rappidprepper5128]

Good job!

[@Lion-cf3jk]

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[@adrianador]

So watch you can use 1.4 engine hed on 1.2 engine?

[@JoniK1]

Yes you can but if you want to use it on older FIRE engine you have to modify the camshaft

[@adrianador]

@@JoniK1 did you done this successfully ? Or it's just a theory :)

[@GrandePunto8V]

@@adrianador Most (if not all) simple 8V FIRE engines are very similar, mechanically you can install blocks and heads, mix them, they fit (and will seal the oil, coolant and will make compression). But that's not all. You must manage the timing, ignition, ECU and so on. That's the problem.

[@mannipula]

16V clutch on a 8v engine kill the motor, i run almost a year with a fiat punto16v clutch on my punto 1.2 8v, and the motor is almost dead, can´t run at top speed, very slow and to pass 140 is very rough, max i can go with that clutch was 150 and the motor even in a descend degree can´t pass that speed. Some time later i lost the capacity to change gears, put the car in the mecanic and he say´s what a hec a 16v clutch doing in a bell of a 8v, the clutch arm broke is te one made for the 8v clutch, he advise-me to pick all the parts and took the car to the garage where the previous clutch change have been made, they see the parts numbers and assume the error, put a new clutch and all the parts broken from the 8v model at no charge, the car now is running as he was before the 16v trash clutch, Now pass easily the +160 mark. 16v clutch have diferent weights (mass dimensions) can broke the 8v engine apart.

[@JoniK1]

I used 16v clutch on my supercharged 1.2 8v (152hp, 200nm, top speed >200km/h) for 3 years without problems, much better than 8v clutch. You can see that exact clutch in this video

[@ciroscala6610]

Non hai misurato la corsa dell'albero a camme... cambia anche quello

[@MonniTori]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ciroscala6610]

Gli alberi a camme non sono intercambiabili.

[@JoniK1]

Yeah but I found out that if I want to use that 1.4 8V cylinder head it is possible by modifying the camshaft pulley

[@ROBYJAOS1]

Ma si può montare la testata sel 1.4 su su Ypsilon 1.2 aerie 312? Che modifiche bisogna fare? Quanti cavalli si ottengono? Grazie mille

[@ciroscala6610]

@@ROBYJAOS1 non capisco cosa vuoi fare?

[@danielespirio6001]

Vorrei sapere se le due testate sono intercambiabili.mi spiego meglio, ho un 1.2 8v,posso montare la testata del 1.4 8v? Ovviamente senza fare modifiche? Se si può si hanno dei benefici in termini di prestazione?

[@milanmilosavljevic6920]

1,4 dali moze u menjac od 1,2 da se spoji

[@JoniK1]

Yes it's the same

[@milanmilosavljevic6920]

@@JoniK1 thanks bro