1 day with the Canon C80

[@skyworksaerialmedia4036]

There's something magical about the DGO sensor on the C70. The highlight recovery is simply amazing.

[@scottievee330]

I sold one of my C70's and an R5c to get the C400. I will always keep one C70. That's my pair. Huge Canon fan. Beautiful colors, 10 NDs, RAW internal, Awesome AF, Triple ISO, so many assignable buttons for speed and great on power. I'm done for a very long time. Bravo Canon!! Oh and that monitor, great to easily change view.

[@brmoogma]

I got my C400 yesterdy...Its a dream!!!

[@scottievee330]

@@brmoogma Right!!

[@scotey]

Such a detailed and balanced breakdown. Thanks, Eric. You've provided so much useful guidance on using my C70. I'm disappointed you won't be doing the same with the C80, but I understand your rationale. Anyway, KZbin might only be a hobby for you, but you are incredibly good at it. I hope you'll continue to delight your fans!

[@mpstanwick]

Everything I needed to know about the C80. Thanks, Eric!

[@LiteShaper1]

Just a wonderful, grounded, honest & insightful take on the C-80. Refreshing to see this. Thanks!

[@Sutterjack]

I really appreciate you going over the base ISO / noise / dynamic range issues. I have a C70 and I always thought you want to shoot at the base ISO of 800 for best noise and dynamic range. I've seen KZbinrs claim you get "blooming" in your highlights, even properly exposed, if you shoot at lower ISOs - I appreciate the mythbusting. I'm not rushing out to buy a C80, but I will rent one and see if the detail and low light performance is significant when they've been out for awhile. I'm just concluding my own 9-month ownership review of the C70 and I honestly like it, but don't love it. It has met my expectations on many levels but honestly not exceed them.

[@BenjiSchwimmerDance]

In a sea of hype, you’re always a real one. For someone who held pat on buying a c70, the 80 is really enticing as is the 400. Then again, I’m sure I could get one refurbished 70 on the low end. But the ff is generally important as is AF

[@jonathanhall5670]

With you my friend had C70 from release day and it’s still getting the job done well so I’m staying for now also.

[@kashifswaynerobinson]

I love how honest and unbiassed this review was, despite being sponsored by Adorama to speak on it. Thank you for that.

[@MrMoviePhoneEx]

I stuck with the 400, specifically because I’ve felt myself growing out of the 70 over the course of the last year. For me this was both a physical issue where some jobs just simply call for a bigger body with more attachments, and a technical issue when working with Sony shooters in uncontrolled lighting environments or mixed cam setups where the 70’s natural softer look stood out until going through post. The jumps canon made in the 400 and 80 feel like a natural progression curve for the kind of commercial work I do and love. I Also shoot narrative, work on features, a few docs, industrials, and music videos.

[@blackburst1]

Great video. We just bought a C400 and are eagerly awaiting it's arrival. Question - What cam / lens combo did you shoot this video on? It def has a soft look and then aberration and coma on the edges. Vintage lens?

[@OverlandBound]

Great video. Thank you. Enjoyed the RF 24-105 rambling. Informative. Also, the specifics re RAW. Currently have the C70. Autofocus of C80 is compelling.

[@PizzlesTechTime]

Yeah I really hate not having a wide option I love with focal reducer. Turning on some in body vignette reducing helps.

[@josephberkeley]

Great video. I'm happy with my C70. Best thing about the C80 is full frame aspect. I love my RF glass.

[@Roman.the.explorer]

18:30 Exactly how i feel right now. For the $5500 i can keep my C70 that I already love, and buy the some gear that has been on my list for a while such as dana dolly, aputure 600d, nice 7 inch monitor, anamorphic lens and still have money left.

[@FilmRunnerMedia]

The C80 looks super cool but I'm kinda heavily invested in Super35 lenses for the C70 right now so I'm not looking to upgrade yet. But I look forward to seeing the Sound It Out C80 e-course become available 😆 Your C70 course has been an immense help to me 🙏

[@turnleftkr]

Nice review. I'm a little confused on the base ISO part. Are you suggesting you need to expose similarly to Sony's Cine EI system? It really would have been helpful if you did shoot in the non-raw codecs to get a feel for the noise levels because RAW is always going to be noisier... Anyway, thanks for the review...

[@OhanaFilms]

I don't think the C70 is necessarily a replacement for current C70 owners but it's a great option for people getting into this category of camera.

[@avx111]

Using a single lens for wide and long is the reason I originally picked the R5C over the C70, I figured: I can get two lenses in one if I crop in to S35. Most people saying 6k/8k is overrated overlook this major advantage especially for run and gun shooting.

[@lucasvivante8988]

There is crop in the image and it is often overlooked, but a 4k image is way way more sharp on 8k camera than in a 4k, because the pixels are true groups of 4 and can probably bybass a debayerisation i suspect. I mean if you are into sharpness, i don't realy care myself Having 6k or 8k is realy nice with some speciality shots when you need to zoom in the picture like a budget dolly zoom done in post

[@CaptainFram]

Nothing but the best from you, as is customary! Thanks for the detailed info :)

[@avdcam]

I think it goes hand in hand with lens and lens mount choices. For anyone who has started invested in RF mount glass , like the new 24-105, as their collection grows their need for native full frame RF mount options will rise steadily. But if that's not you, and my too, it's really a small upgrade if you want some stronger autofocus performance or better low light options. But it's really for that RF mount lens owner who wants to use Canon's new lens options, as they add to the Z line, and sees the c400 and c80 generation as the way forward. As a c300 mark III and C70 owner, i'm excited for the future when I decide to go all RF mount, etc etc. But definitely not this year.

[@matadormartin]

Thank you for a measured and utility based appraisal of new tech, quite a rare thing on KZbin! Like you, I don't feel I have a genuine reason to upgrade my C70. My workflow wouldn't change at all other than not using an HDMI to SDI converter I use once a year for a live stream I keep getting hired for. Not a big deal. It's so easy to think that new tech is going to change things, but my life shooting hasn't changed since I had a C100 (apart from the bigger hard drives).

[@Work_Data_PV]

thank you for specifically answering a question that was digging a hole in my brain... if they are all base ISOs then do they have the same noise and dynamic range as ISO 100 or 800...!

[@thebunn]

Is it compressed raw? Typically raw is the actual raw sensor data and not confined to committing to in camera ISO settings.

[@danieltkaczyk105]

Good info, and appreciate your honesty, thx!

[@PizzlesTechTime]

Boston C70 owner not loving the focal reducer so much. I don't have great ef glass though. I have 16-35 II 2.8 it's great but had a small vignette.

[@favaphoto]

Lovely review. You sold me on the 24-105 😂 honestly though, with a c70 and an R3 I’m really starting to see the “age” of my EF lenses. I think it’s time to see what the RF lenses can do.

[@artstories5828]

One thing I wanted to ask about... With the C70, for that doc you were working on, you were using 24-105 f/2.8 and carrying a 24mm with speedbooster for wide interiors -- but couldn't you just have gone for C70 + ef 24-105 f/4 with speedbooster?

[@SoundItOutFilms]

If I owned it I could!

[@CLIFFLIX]

Sony cameras can output RAW over HDMI to RAW recorders.

[@davidsklubal]

Thanks for the overview, and candid review. I'm in the same boat where this doesn't completely blow the C70 out of the water. Lights and lenses, at this point play a bigger role in how my work looks. Honestly waiting on what a fx3 mkii could look like 🤔

[@MODESTYXO205]

If you were to buy a camera today for doc/ short form and a travel camera, Would you choose the fx3 of the Canon r5 mark 2 to keep up the good content

[@chieltjuuhh]

The r5m2 is amazing for photo and video. If you film high iso you going to need the cooling fan too. Mine got hot pixels sometimes without grip. But the image is so sharp and I love the Canon colors.

[@sammorganmoore]

The c80 opens the 'major lenses' being the 24-105 2.8 and the 28-80/2 .. but most importatn I 'feel' (and I dont want to as I own a ton of EF) that the RF glass is just a little more sticky on the AF. The reason to get the 400 or 80 is surely to access those lenses. I guess you have the 24-105+boostes on the C70.. that 24-105 is both super useful and a bit horrid! As a 200 owner Ive been awaiting affordable used C500.. but honesly im feeling that the 400 would be better to get into RF glass (which I also use on my stills cam)

[@nico9833]

Hi Eric, about the RF 24-105 F2.8 with C80 one-lens combo, would a EF 24-105 F4 with speedbooster for the C70 also result in a one-lens combo with almost similar results? Or am I missing something?

[@SoundItOutFilms]

Great question. You certainly could it’ll just have worse autofocus, stabilization and sharpness.

[@LiteShaper1]

The 24-105 F4 in conjunction with speed booster, in my opinion - is an absolutely awesome lens on the C-70. I have had no hugely noticeable issues with autofocus & stabilization seems to work very well. I have not done a direct comparison - but tremendous bang for the buck and has given new life to this woefully underrated lens.

[@SoundItOutFilms]

Interesting! I’ve never used it first hand, I remember considering that lens a couple years ago and decided against it after watching reviews. Seems like it is a killer value.

[@BenjiSchwimmerDance]

@@LiteShaper1I’ve seen a few co’s on set use a LiDAR addition mod to their c70’s and am still dumbfounded by the thought.

[@phrasalsyntax]

Not totally similar results: the EF 24-105 F4 on the C70 (with speedbooster) will give a F4 depth of field FF 'look' (at F4), while the EF 24-105 F2.8 on the C80 will bring you a F2.8 depth of field FF 'look' (at F2.8). In other words, you cannot get the F2.8 depth of field FF 'look' by using the EF 24-105 F4 on the C70, you are limited to F4 depth of field.

[@TopshelfJunior]

Oh man, 0:45 !!! One slip and Canon woulda never spoke to you again lol. Nice work man, subscribed !

[@PizzlesTechTime]

I think the focal reducer has no effect on DOF realistically. I could be wrong though I was told this on a canon forum. It lets more light in but DOF increase

[@SoundItOutFilms]

It does because you move closer to your subject when focal length is reduced.

[@PizzlesTechTime]

@@SoundItOutFilms My girl says the same thing about the old pizzle lol

[@monellifilms]

I didn’t expect that M. Night Shyamalan twist at the very end. Good logic though. That makes sense. Thanks for the informative video. I feel like the C400 might be that “different” camera you’re looking for?

[@SoundItOutFilms]

It might be! Not today. But maybe down the road if I need it.

[@ShugoAkatsuka]

Thank you very much for the great review! I will also keep my C70 and wait for a camera that’s drastically different and improved. Absolutely no need to buy that camera for KZbin purposes :)

[@contentm3893]

How is the AF compared to the C70 or r3?

[@EugeneJr0730]

How about the breathing compensation?...

[@nicholasbrecken7357]

1. Fantastic hair. 2. Fantastic overview.

[@EliteAtlantaHomes]

The constantly changing aspect ratios in the video was too much for me to keep watching. Made it about a minute in. Just a heads up. Not sure what’s up with the weird small rectangle for showing clips when your talking head clip is wide.

[@Work_Data_PV]

did everyone see the chromatic aberration girl+bike there? was very trippy to the eye. was awesome.

[@Mintyseden]

You mention the 0.71 speed booster, and how much you like it. Don’t you get that purple spot when shooting against light sources?

[@SoundItOutFilms]

It makes an appearance every few months but can’t say it ever bothered me 🤷‍♂️

[@Mintyseden]

@@SoundItOutFilms thank you. Love the views you share. Comes across as field tested as trustworthy, so thanks

[@timmuza]

10:47 This is the biggest bummer (for me) with this new camera. To shoot in 4k-60 you are smacked back down to super35 as opposed to FF. Who knows tho... I'm optimistic, the C70 gained some significant firmware upgrades in it's heyday... maybe this will be a possibility for the C80? Time will tell.

[@SoundItOutFilms]

Only if you need RAW!

[@timmuza]

@@SoundItOutFilms yes! I did forget to mention that, thank you for the amendment. I shoot weddings and corporate in raw. The c70 has been great, I might have to get another one. Thank you for all of the videos you have been making around this system. 🙏

[@Thomas_Beswick]

Great videos as always! I like your no BS approach. I feel the same, although the high ISOs would be nice. If only it still did 60fps raw LT : ( Also, I wonder if the image was too sharp and digital looking maybe? I think the best thing that comes from the C80 coming out, is if you were about to upgrade to a c70 : D

[@snak4716]

what did you shoot yourself on in this video? camera and lens. very nice fall off

[@SoundItOutFilms]

Remus 45

[@lacaraja]

Please, please, can you explain more about what you asked about the use of ISO 1600 and base ISO of 32? Thnaks

[@alexmainwaring]

He’s saying that the Base ISO has more to do with maximizing dynamic range than lowering noise. For instance, if I want to maximize dynamic range I would set Base ISO to 800 and then set my actual ISO to 800 (same idea for the other Base ISO options). Now if I wanted to lower noise at the cost of losing a small amount of dynamic range, I may set Base ISO to 800 but then set the actual ISO to something lower than 800 for a cleaner image. Another example: I’m in low light conditions and need to bump ISO up but don’t want to risk having too much noise in image. I will set Base ISO to 3200 but then set my actual ISO to 1600 to clean up the noise. Dynamic range isn’t as important in low light scenarios anyway. Also note that this is even more important to do when shooting in raw as the image will be much noisier than XF-AVC which has noise reduction baked in. Hope that helps and isn’t too confusing.

[@lacaraja]

@@alexmainwaring thanks for this. Very helpfull.

[@BobbyD262]

Dumb question, I know. But what lens for your host segments here? What anamorphic?

[@SoundItOutFilms]

Remus 45!

[@disco.jellyfish]

7:00 I - just like you - occasionally shoot documentary run and gun stuff but I always want to deliver incredible footage, even when there is not much time avaliable, which is why I am strongly interested in the 24-105mm F2.8, since it sounds like THE perfect run and gun lens. I just watched a couple reviews and especially photographers complain about not only strong distortion but also heavy vignietting at the 24mm setting even calling it completely unusable. This is at 3:2 full frame of course, but you do video - does this issue also apply to the 16:9 crop on the C80s full frame sensor? I can live with some chromatic abberation for documentries but having to start at 28mm defeats the purpose of getting a lens that should start at 24mm, which is a big difference. I also see some Chromatic abberation on the edges of this video of yours - which lens are you recording with?

[@SoundItOutFilms]

I have a few videos going into all that on the channel!

[@SoundItOutFilms]

And this video was filmed on a Blazar Remus lens

[@disco.jellyfish]

@@SoundItOutFilms Thank you for your quick response. I found the video about the corrections you were talking about. This definitely makes it a great full frame lens for video purposes. Did Canon however bring the update, where you could disable the corrections? And if not, are these corrections also applied to RAW footage? I was also looking at the Blazar Remus anamorphic lenses. It definitely makes sense now, why there is so much fall off and chromatic abberation towards the edges of the frame.

[@orcapodmedia]

Just when i thought I was done spending money.

[@dushyantbhatt9345]

canon cripple hammer riddle me,. ?? RAW, c70 no S&F mode. c80 S&F cropped but no DGO sensor,...... hahah

[@JimFeeley]

Ya, like you I'm (mostly) happy with my C70 and am more likely to buy a rather different second camera to expand my range. Maybe upgrade my stills camera to a Canon R5 Mark II. Or get a camcorder with a 1-inch sensor. Perhaps if Canon updated the XF605, I wouldn't be looking as closely at the new Sony PXW-Z200... Doug Jensen's Z200 footage is intriguing: www.youtube.com/@DougJensenVortexMedia

[@scotey]

Hey, Jim! Scott Lacy from D-Word here. Good to see you out and about!

[@JimFeeley]

Hey @@scotey! Eric Walker, whom I don't know, does a really good job with this channel, huh? So no surprise we're both here. :-)

[@scotey]

@@JimFeeley Yep, Eric's the best. Probably 50 percent of my C70 knowledge comes directly from this channel. The other half comes from screwing up on shoots. :)

[@frank-herzmann]

i havent watched the whole video until now, but is it mentioned anywhere if the dynamic range of the c80 is different to the c70 with DGO sensor?

[@typorosz]

C70 has 0.5 EV better dynamic range.

[@sanchez82]

thanks for the reply 😊

[@dariopequenoparaiso5120]

I don't feel an hugeeeeee difference between C70 - C80, honestly. I was waiting impatiently for your honest review. ;) goosebumps for your last 2min. u have my respect.