10-8 Performance Lab, Episode 53: Pistol Optics Roundup

[@ireckon7351]

Holosun has really stepped up their game. I was lucky enough to snag a few of the 508T V2’s when they were still available. They replaced 3 out of the 5 RMR’s I own. I don’t really care about the multiple reticles, but the side loading battery, glass clarity and titanium housing are a huge win.

[@stunod1479]

RMR footprint??

[@ireckon7351]

@@stunod1479 Yep, same footprint

[@jerdog333]

Great video! Glad I found your channel! Please come teach in Southern Cali!!!!

[@MrEmb007]

Can we please get a collab video with Aaron Cowan?? You guys are RDS gods.

[@stunod1479]

Who is Gabe Suarez?

[@jessegpresley]

@@stunod1479 a felon.

[@eugenechurch6135]

I have the holosun acss it’s a game changer the chevron is amazing for fast target acquisition. And the tip of the chevron is a 0 moa point

[@paulbrownwhpd]

Awesome video, a wealth of information. Going to order the 508T for my Stacatto alum. frame P or C2. Can’t quite make up my mind on which one!

[@basketweave_101]

I ran a g34 gen 5 with a SRO and the CHPWS plate using a duty level 3 Safariland RDS 6series holster for patrol. Fit just fine and no modification. It was great when I had it.

[@pittwm]

Hilton, I have 6 RMR on various Glocks and as spares but for the last year or so I drifted away to Holosun, 508T, 508Tv2, 507k, 509T…. Lots of value for the money and tech

[@nearlynormal]

Thanks for another informative video. Based on an earlier video, I chose C&H mounting plates on my guns. Thanks for that one too. Your bookshelf looks like one I purchased 25+ years ago at Ikea. Still giving great service.

[@108Performance]

Hahah good eye! Vintage 1988!!! And thanks for watching!

[@AugustaWaterCooler]

Hilton, great vid. I totally get what your saying about Safariland, however many agencies in my area are looking at or have converted to the Rapid Force duty holster which does all off the desired features and safely houses common lights and optics.

[@richardshippful]

I started with the Trijicon RM06, but later switched to the Holosun 507C, big difference due to the larger window. I just changed to the Holosun 507C x2 ACSS with the 250 moa ring it is a game changer. The 250 moa Halo shows you exactly where you are off if the Chevron is not centered. With ammo and practise/training harder to come by, it really helps get you on target fast. And for somebody learning red dots it would make a huge difference.

[@DRay-or4tc]

Great assessment of pistol optics. I had 2 RMRs shoot craps with emitter lens flying off. Likely an aberration, and was repaired by Trijicon. Those two RMRs are now on carbines. All my pistol optics are presently Holosun.

[@1mkodadek]

Great video (as always), thanks for the insights/sharing your wealth of knowledge/experience. My primary carry is a G19 running a 507C up top. It really came down to the ability to swap batteries on the fly when I was down to picking between the Holosun and the RMR, and I can't say that I have any regrets. This has led to me picking up a 509T and getting ready to send a slide to Jagerwerks for millwork so I can just mount the optic directly to the slide without the need for mounting plates. Probably overkill for a carry optic, but I just like the closed emitter and the build quality on the 509T.

[@brianm4772]

Love how you explained and broke down Holosun, you helped me make a hard decision easier and yes I'm buying the Holosun 508

[@jonnsmusich]

Excellent review.

[@jeffreylucas3421]

Well done Hilton, I enjoyed your analysis. I was impressed with your breakdown and comparison of optics. It will give me a starting point for my own personal consideration for optic selections

[@madmark503]

I have two G45’s with SRO’s. They both fit a Safariland 7360RDS with no modifications. I have a G45MOS with an ACRO that also fits the same 7360RDS with no modifications.

[@pgg0024]

I currently have 3 RMRs and 3 holosuns on pistols. A delta point for a staccato as well. Holosun has really stepped up their game the last few years

[@RidersRange]

Nice overview. So many optics, so little time to review all of them, so I can understand leaving out Vortex and Swampfox. The Swampfox Sentinel (American Veteran owned, but manufactured in China 😢), is on my daily carry Staccato C. If I were still working the street, I wouldn't hesitate to use a Swampfox Liberty or Justice (with Ironside shield) on my duty gun.

[@ElevatedPerformanceConcepts]

Aaron Cowan just did a review of the swampfox liberty (the bigger one) and it didn’t pass his test. His test proved it is not a duty rated optic.

[@RidersRange]

@@ElevatedPerformanceConcepts I watched Aaron's review on the Justice. Swampfox has the Ironside shroud available for both the Liberty and the Justice now, so a repeat of the test using the Ironside would be interesting. It's easy for me to say, now that I'm retired, but I wouldn't hesitate to carry a duty gun with either the Liberty or the Justice - with Ironside.

[@philcondron1322]

Great evaluation of the current state of the pistol MRDS world.

[@Tact1123]

Thank you, sir!!

[@Renaldo135]

Thank You Sir.

[@graycattactical1614]

I loved my first gen Holosun 508, but I've had issues with more than half of my recent production models. Most have arrived with canted reticles, some had defects in the coating. Their QC seems to have taken a huge dive in the past year.

[@JustAnotherGuyOff]

Hold on now... Paint pen to seal the optic? Never would have thought of that. This is solid info.

[@MichaelSmith-cq4zk]

I love my 507c 2 on my shadow system mr920l it is my edc and both run flawless goog video.

[@bamahi7142]

I have bad eye sight and thought mounting an optic (508T) would help. Running with iron sights on my pistols works best for me. The 508 found a home on my 930 SPX. Thumbs up for Holosun.

[@thinman8621]

Good information. Thanks!

[@whliving]

I love the durability of the rmr, but the battery replacement (for the reasons you stated) would annoy me. Further, the price point means I can buy other components (like over priced primers). My dollars need to work for me. I was willing to go with an rmr, but settled on the Holosun 508t. I have several hundred rounds through my G35 with it onboard and have 0 issues. Also, a few friends said they had run in to some issues with Trijicon recently. I try to buy American products, but those companies need to keep up with the positive changes others are putting out to keep my business. Before I purchased the 508t I called Holosun to ask a few questions. One was if they were going to shift manufacturing to the U.S. they indicated that they were seriously looking at that. I don’t know if that was smoke or reality. I hope they do. Their products that I have used have this far worked well. In fact, I will be buying another 508T very soon. Another concern I had with the Holosun was durability. Sage Dynamics put that to rest with his torture test.

[@RatelLaw]

Very informative, very interesting. Thank you.

[@tri3pleagent]

Great review!

[@josephhacker5358]

I really like Holosun, I wish they'd have a larger 5-6MOA dot option on their 507/508 lines. I went with the 407k due to dot size, the smaller dots bloom more with my eyes as I have to turn them up brighter to pick them up.

[@claytons7357]

I switched to a 507 ACSS Vulcan from an RMR06 on a 19c. The RMR battery swapping and inevitable screw stripping was very frustrating.

[@richardshippful]

I have a dead RMR on my G41 mos right now, and stock sights are too low (Really Glock on an optic pistol) so that gun is out of commission.

[@Vegas3RSPilot]

I have a unity tactical Atom slide with plate for the aimpoint micro T1. When people see it for the first time they can't believe it and think I must have welded the T1 to the slide.

[@toledoupsguy6064]

I watched this when it came out but wish I would have referred back to it before ordering a Staccato with a DPP already mounted. Absolutely hate the 1 button for everything illumination control.

[@jimyowell850]

There goes another one... equating CCW to something other than a "full size"... LOL MY CCW is an FNX 45 Tactical with a 5.3 inch threaded barrel, suppressor height sights, Trigicon RMR, picatinny rail, and a double stack 15 round magazine. I carry it everywhere, every day, year round, without ANY problems with either concealment OR comfort!

[@timothycaldwell2560]

I run a holosun 407CO X2, the solar adjusts brightness automatically and the battery lasts a ridiculous amount of time. Holosun has massively stepped up their game and have proven that 99% of other manufacturers are price gouging the sh*t out of us.

[@lobstereleven4610]

Great vid. People might not like Holosun because it's made in China, and I totally understand that. Different people will have different priorities and what they are willing to compromise with those priorities. Imo, at this time Holosun produces a better product, especially for the price.

[@christopherjohnson2171]

I'm only using the DPP because my Staccato slides come milled for it and the sights are set up that way. The single button IS annoying.

[@formerpilgrim4934]

It bothered me slightly going to Holosun, but am faster with them compared to the RMR.

[@nerdfamous5794]

I’m stuck between rmr and dpp. Leaning rmr. I think taking the sight off once a year should be maintenance anyway. The price though….

[@CazClocker52]

New subscriber here. I'm new to the pistol dot game, currently looking for my 2nd pistol dot. Very impressed with Holosun overall. Can you speak to choosing a pistol dot for a shooter who has astigmatism? Whatever I choose, I'll probably buy a green dot - they seem to "bloom" less than red. With my current Sig Sauer red dot, I get "starfish" shape, and the other day I saw three dots next to each other with the real dot slightly dimmer than the others. Very confusing.

[@jimmyward2848]

Great review Hilton. What size dot do you recommend and do you sell iron sights for the 508T and SRO? Thank You!

[@billangell6478]

I mean aimpoint is Swedish if I’m correct? So if American made is a factor for holosun that should also be noted.

[@shannonmarcantel7993]

Just curious why Staccato went with DPP direct mount footprint?

[@charles17508]

You should check out alian gear duty holster it's way better than safari dirt bags

[@chrisf247]

The RMR's tint and distortion really bother me. I understand the tint, but what good does the distortion do you? Is it a byproduct of thicker glass?

[@joebishop7909]

Very informative video, I am about to place an order for a C2, but am still trying to decide between a Holosun 507K and 508T. Is the 507K too small for the C2 ? Is the 508T too large, that is too much hanging off each side of the slide. I currently carry a Glock 19 with an RMR.

[@108Performance]

C2 is bigger than a G19…508T with tall sights or 507k with low sights both work.

[@joebishop7909]

@@108Performance Thanks Hilton, I like that the 507K doesn't hang over the slide, but a little concerned with the smaller window.

[@108Performance]

@@joebishop7909 I prefer the 508T or 507c on the C2

[@joebishop7909]

@@108Performance Thanks, I am leaning that way, I just need to look at some pictures with a 508T mounted from different angles to see how much the optic and plate hang over the slide.

[@tward7332]

My Sro fits my Safariland als/sls with no issues.

[@108Performance]

Thanks for that data point. Which model Safariland and which pistol?

[@leewoiteshek4192]

@@108Performance Mine does too. G17 Gen III Zev milled slide. Safariland Level 1 6390 RDS-832-131.

[@im4ak2]

mine to: glock 34 gen5 with sro in a als safariland holster works perfekt

[@spingarn]

6390RDS fits my G34 MOS with SRO no problem. Ordered it late last year. I think Safariland has evolved their design to accommodate it.

[@108Performance]

@@spingarn Thanks for the info. I'm glad they made the updates. Painful as it may be, I guess I need to order a new holster to replace....the one that works just fine.

[@billangell6478]

What area of Florida do you teach classes in, and where can I check your schedule?

[@rickb5575]

Thoughts on the 509t v2?

[@biggus8825]

Does the 509t fit in the safariland holster and if so, which model number in the als version? Safariland makes that real confusing.

[@graynotescartridgebox]

I was under the impression that Holosun was NOT an American company, rather a company that is US-based owned by a Chinese company owned by the Chinese government.

[@graynotescartridgebox]

@@Pler1978 it’s not a matter of being worried but putting out correct information.

[@reker.a5790]

RMR. No question

[@airtightbox]

Have you had a chance to check out the HS507C-X2-ACSS yet?

[@108Performance]

Seems like a cool concept but haven’t gotten one yet.

[@richardshippful]

The concept works, and works well. I just sighted mine in this week, had not shot in months and by the end of the hour, the chevron was almost centering automatically. If you are thinking about it just buy it.

[@swiftaudi]

The librium or whatever has a made in america option for their phones. It's like 3 grand lol.

[@onpsxmember]

How long is the battery life on the 509T compared to the aimpoint acro?

[@108Performance]

509T is 50k hrs or 5.7 yrs - anything over a year is fine by my metric. ACRO is 3 weeks.

[@toddkoffler5681]

I thought the 508T was discontinued?

[@108Performance]

All the v2 models were "discontinued" due to a lawsuit issue which required moving the v2 buttons mounted on the optic window frame back down to the body/deck for the x2 iterations, which are what I'm showing. 508T x2 is readily available.

[@toddkoffler5681]

@@108Performance thanks for the follow up

[@JsilntParkour90]

I hope American companies take not from Holosun. I don't want to buy Chinese but at this point Holosun seems to be the best option.

[@alexduke5402]

I'll never buy another holosun. They fkd me once it won't happen again. I'll run irons on ANYTHING before I give them another cent. So I pony up the cash for the rmr2 on my handguns. The glass and coating is much tougher anyway. I farm and I'm normally covered in dust. Not the best for an optic but I've never had any problems with scratches on the trijicon lens. You get what you pay for. Not only that trijicon being made here can be fixed here. Unlike holosun which will not and can not work on their own optics. The rmr just looks cooler anyway (2nd cool) lol

[@sv2697]

LMAO! I don't want to use a red dot made from china ...but watching video through a Chinese made laptops and cell phone.

[@resolute123]

I was told that Holosun was in the process of bring manufacturing to the US, but due to Let's Go Brandon's decision to cut out own oil production and removing tariffs on China, that canceled that idea.

[@Quality_Guru]

No disrespect but this video could have been 3 minutes long. Not one of your best videos unless you like to hear yourself talk.

[@108Performance]

No disrespect, but this comment wasn't helpful. I did a 3 minute video a few days prior on IG and this was the long one with the detail.

[@Quality_Guru]

@@108Performance I appreciate the feedback, perhaps I should have worded it more respectfully. If you limited your criteria to duty optics and then proceed to talk about the Trijicon SRO you infringed on your own standards.

[@fallendragon69]

Boring

[@108Performance]

Sorry this was not exciting enough for you.

[@SuperFame88]

Holosun is a Nobrainer at this point ruggedness ,reliability ,price point , feature packed and survive sage dynamics lol

[@johnfernandez3166]

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