10 Challenges For Sequel Fans

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Can you make it through all 10 challenges? Probably Not.

[@willparker3018]

are you calling me a sequel defender??? sir that is a slur

[@saberiandream316]

I love how Kennedy claims the goal is to "honor and preserve these characters," and then less than two years later, the EU has been nuked and jettisoned as they creatively plagiarize beloved characters by changing them to fit their new canon, either with name alterations, racial or gender swaps, or just misrepresentation of character traits whether subtly or grossly. It goes far past this piddly little culture war nonsense - this is not about politics, this is flat-out *_lies_* and hostile manipulation toward your core customer base while courting mass-mainstream social-media addicted trend-chasing casual-fandom consumers and stiffing the little guy out of his hard-earned work. And no fan should be happy with that. This isn't GATEKEEPING. This is urging people to understand. You can still love the sequels and call out Disney's behavior. Know who's okay with that? Shitty fans.

[@bumblebee6090]

Happy birthday Lord Megatron how many sources of cake you want I want 2

[@xxdrroyalexx666]

I did, but It will be so long comment to read if i explain myself, so i Won't do it.

[@XTHHedgehog]

@@xxdrroyalexx666 I don't believe you 🤣🤣

[@darthprime1990]

I can't stand the articles that call out fans and calling them toxic for hating TLJ, which the same could be said for the media being toxic themselves.

[@lumeronswift]

Midichlorians aren't even necessarily a means of measurement... they are microscopic life forms that are attracted to force energy. Qui-Gon explained it pretty clearly, and almost everyone misunderstood it...

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

Agreed. They're more of like a "magic user organ" that some fantasy stories have than the actual Force itself...

[@tomnorton4277]

And they're actually grounded within the Star Wars interpretation of reality. Mitochondria is a real thing and Midichlorians are George Lucas' version of it. It makes the Star Wars universe feel more real.

[@brosgaming5597]

Exactly it makes it more grounded and it means that not everyone is able to use the force

[@BennysGamingAttic]

I can not begin to tell you how much I despise Bob Iger, Kathleen Kennedy, Ruin Johnson, JJ Abrams, and pretty much everyone contributing to the destruction of one of the all-time greatest American franchises. It is cultural vandalism and you can't change my mind.

[@jedikeyblade9558]

At 21:52 Daisy revealed that they were originally going to make Rey a Kenobi then they went from that to making her a nobody and then a Palpatine so you are right you just forgot to mention the Obi-Wan connection.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Jesus that complicates things even more

[@jaxxpool9630]

All the aspects you have listed makes me wonder what's been happening to Star Wars in general since Disney bought it. The thing is I've always liked the prequels since I was a kid and that won't change. I've also never really hated the sequels, but that was before I learned more about the problems with their story and structure. I need to watch them again and determine how I will feel about them afterwards. I'm planning to do a marathon of all nine movies before Lego Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga; so that'll be my chance. The thing is it might be tricky for me, especially with The Last Jedi. Since it has divided the fans, I might be looking at it through two different lenses. One possibility is that I might love....and hate The Last Jedi simultaneously.

[@firestriker3580]

I’ve hated the sequels

[@jeezed2950]

When I first watched the last jedi, there were parts about 5-10% that I loved and parts that I hated. I was still in shock after the movie as to what I just watched, for a couple days I was unsure of whether I hated it or not.

[@boxxidraws7690]

My core issues with the sequels go beyond just Rey being an insufferable Mary Sue or Kylo Ren being an ineffective antagonist, or even the egregious treatment of Luke Skywalker. They just don't work as a cohesive trilogy in of itself. Not only do they not expound upon the OT effectively but they also don't make any thematic sense within it's own trilogy. Say what you will about the quality of the prequels, at least they work as a cohesive trilogy and they have a singular vision of what story they're telling (The rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker) Plus it doesn't contradict the OT either. In fact it ties into the OT very well.

[@Onio_362]

The saga being Anakin's story is another reason Luke being sidelined is bad. The original six films tell Anakin's story, but now they're doing a sequel, they should've said it was now Luke's story because Anakin was dead. Luke is the main character of the first three films so the saga revolving around Luke after Anakin's death would make total sense to me.

[@StormyS711]

You're wrong They sidelined and character assinated Luke because Disney wanted to Replace him with their bland overpowered protagonist rey Disney was pushing their feminist agenda Kathleen Kennedy had a X drawn over luke Skywalker face In the Lucas film office They always wanted to destroy luke to destroy the legacy of George Lucas

[@Onio_362]

@StormyS711 I'm talking about what Disney should've done, and yeah, I agree that being woke is why they sidelined Luke. Disney's made so many wrong moves, and they suck! What I'm saying is Luke should've been the main character of the new trilogy, and he should've been the way he was in legends. Hell, I wish Disney would've just adapted the new jedi order series into the new trilogy. They could've also adapted the other books into the Disney plus series and also made sure not to change anything from the books! This would've been way better than decanonizing the EU, and it's also pretty clear they can't make original stories for jack shiiiiit!

[@StormyS711]

@Onio_362 Yes you're right He should have been allowed to rebuild the jedi and be its leader

[@otfanboysaremanchildren7845]

It's funny how the OT fanboys ate it all up at first at least until TLJ came out.

[@virgogaming6488]

They're the reason why we got the sequel trilogy that we got.

[@Lemon_Jackassss]

@@virgogaming6488 100%

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

I don’t even know wtf “fanboy” means anymore. Like I originally was cautiously receptive towards TFA but only because I got tricked by “Mystery boxes”. See, back then the biggest issue was “This looks like a ANH clone/rip-off”. The Mary Sue argument was placed on hold because everyone assumed that and other -possibly lore breaking- questions would be answered in the next movie.. Then TLJ came out, shit on JJ’s boxes, solidifying TFA as meaningless shit itself… and thus began my unholy crusade against disney. lol

[@davidbraccini4770]

Ah of course don’t worry JJ plagiarism! Didn’t you know want Quinton reviews said? He said that lore and continuity are “fan stuff” and that creators can do whatever they want! *Tries to defend the sequels against Mauler by quoting the lore of the original movies to justify the the last jedi, even though he called lore and continuity “fan stuff”* Umm ok with Quinton it didn’t go well, but I am sure Hellogreedo has a better defense, I mean he said that creators don’t have to adhere to lore and continuity and shouldn’t be afraid of changing things that some fans deem important! *Says that there isn’t something more stupid than debating art and does multiple videos whining on the prequels and the special editions* Whatever let’s forget Hellogreedo, we still have Wilhems H! He said that the star wars movies are just movies for children with space wizards and that plot holes don’t matter. He also said that you can’t watch the movies in a wrong way! *Says against the rise of Skywalker that there are too many plot contrivence and that you are watching movies in a wrong way*

[@jamesrogers5184]

Facts!! I find it ironic quinton used lore from the originals to justify the last Jedi which only proves why it’s bad. Hellogreedo saying debating art is dumb is also hilarious not just because of him bashing the prequels but because fans have a right to if it ruins a previous work of art. And I love how Wilhelm claims people are watching the sequels in a wrong way. Reminds me of Neil druckmann and the last of us 2.

[@alex.scaraoschi]

I think the idea behind a balanced Force means equal light and dark comes from Filoni. In a Rebels episode some rock-tree-like entity talks to Kanan about this.

[@clonetrooper2003]

What a donut head

[@isaiahsmith7123]

That idea has been floating around the community for a while, even though George was very explicit in what balance meant. Even the concept of the gray jedi isn't canon according to George, though I personally disagree, but with the caveat that a gray jedi doesn't use the darkside, only that they serve the force above all else and won't exactly follow the will of the council ( Qui gon basically).

[@darthlucasfuu]

@@isaiahsmith7123 Grey Jedi, in canon (EU), means exactly that as you said, a lightside Force user detached from the dogmatic Jedi Order, but who still uses the lightside of the Force, and only the lightside. Like Qui-Gon Jinn (as you pointed out), Jolee Bindo (KotOR), the whole faction of the Imperial Knights (Legacy), and maybe even Quinlan Vos could be define that way too.

[@darthlucasfuu]

The Mortis Arc basically seeded the path for this misconception, back in TCW.

[@StormyS711]

Dave Filoni is a fraud

[@willparker3018]

the rian comment about making a divisive film is so annoying because of all the movies you could do that with, it shouldn’t be a STAR WARS movie much less one in the MIDDLE of a set of 3.

[@acringekeresokiskodmon8026]

when you're looking for a good video essay, but dislikes are removed

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

You could get the dislike showing extension off of google chrome or something

[@clonetrooper2003]

Shill

[@Foobie07]

Why can't sequel fans just say they personally love them and leave it at that? Theirs nothing wrong with them personally enjoying the films but defending them with inaccurate counter arguments is where it becomes a problem.

[@ryanbarth6691]

JJ plaigerisims made a video explaining why he's so mad in his videos

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

Exactly. I live the movie "Red Notice", and I know it ain't high art or even "good" to some extent, but I genuinely do not care. I just wanna see a live action version of a Henry Stickmin adventure... Why? Cuz Red Notice sold itself as that kind of movie.

[@tomnorton4277]

Because Disney Star Wars fans don't want to admit they have shitty taste in movies. They want to be seen as intelligent and cultured instead of the idiots they actually are.

[@youtubeman2001]

Thoughts on Matt lanter is Anakin? I think he’s overrated and sounds nothing Hayden (who did a much better job at portraying a conflicted complicated young man )

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Bad casting based on pandering to OT fanatics

[@tomnorton4277]

Mat Lucas sounded like Hayden Christiansen. But unless you have the man himself, you don't have the real Anakin. Hayden IS Anakin Skywalker. He IS Darth Vader. Everybody else, including James Earl Jones, is just doing an impression. Sure, James got there first but he was only doing half the work in the OT. David Prowse was doing the other half. With Hayden though, you get the full package, not 2 different actors playing 1 character.

[@ryszakowy]

find actual disney sequel fan challenge *IMPOSSIBLE they are just claiming that the worst thing in history is good for attention if they admitted that sequels are shit then their entire existence falls apart they have nothing in their lives outside of being terminally online

[@lumeronswift]

You say that "we all know that there was no plan for the sequel trilogy at all"... but Lucas actually had drafts and a whole plan written up that he handed over with Star Wars - it's pretty well documented that several of Lucas's friends/family were excited for the next installments of the story to come out - and then Disney scrapped ALL of Lucas's ideas when they onboarded Abrams. I can't recall which channel documented this most thoroughly... I think it was Nerdonymous?

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

The context is Disney. They had no plans. George on the other hand...

[@boettcherentertainment]

6-7) Rey Solana was Colin Trevarrow’s take in “Duel of the Fates,” which directly connects with TLJ. So originally, 8-9 are connected with 7 being an introduction. I prefer Duel over Rise as a finale and should have been the finale.

[@jamesrogers5184]

These are the best arguments against the sequels I’ve ever seen. Makes me love George Lucas and Star Wars (his Star Wars not that fake Disney one) even more. Hell wonder how much copium RLM is taking right now.

[@ZontarDow]

LOST did the Abrams Mystery Box better then anything else for one simple reason: Abrams had no actual part of it. Looking back at interviews with the actual lead writers it's clear that understood how to use the Mystery Box because they outright stated more then once that every question presented needs to have an answer already written out and it needs to make sense. This is why LOST only had one question left unansweted that was given in a commentary for closure, and it was only the i consequential question about who was on the raft the characters saw while jumping around time (who where just a group trapped jumping around time like them but without a means of eacaping)

[@Каска-колбаска]

It seems to me that even if years pass, the reputation of the sequels will only get worse given all the shit they poured on the lore and the creator of the saga. By the way, some people compare this situation with the prequels, they say that they did not immediately receive recognition, but it turned out that I was interested in how my family reacted to Star Wars, and even found a photo of my aunt, she went to Revenge of the Sith with my mother in our local cinema called Cosmos, they still have great memories of it. And as for my experience with Star Wars, the earliest memory will probably be the fact that we then lived in the same yard and had a rich gypsy family as friends and neighbors, and I watched the original trilogy on the channel that called ORT, now known as Perviy (First) . Later I remember that they bought me as a gift an anthology of Star Wars films in 2007, there were all 6 films and two films on Ewoks, Caravan of the Brave and the Battle for Endor, the funny thing I remember is that I liked them for some reason more than numbered episodes of Star Wars. (by the way, will you review these TV movies, I still think that the Battle for Endor is a good movie and better than all the new trilogie put together) But then I forgot about the franchise for a long time sometimes playing things like Lego Star Wars and the Jedi Academy, in the end it was only by 2018 that I decided to watch all the parts with my family, we watched them in the release order, but had as much fun as if would look in chronological order. It was great until when I found out how the internet was reacting to the prequels, I was shocked by all these things and that there is hatred for George Lucas. Then it was time for the sequels... It was like a nightmare, at first we didn't know what to think about The Force Awakens, then we watched The Last Jedi and later none of us dared to watch the upcoming 9th, I watched this shit alone by myself and was depressed. But I found solace when I started playing things like Kotor, and since then I've been defending the prequels and George Lucas' vision.

[@jamesrogers5184]

Same. I didn’t even know the prequels and George Lucas were hated until force awakens. I knew people hated jar jar but that was it. Ironically that tends to be their main issue. I know a lot of people are trying to compare the sequels situation to the prequels but from what I’ve seen the prequels have always been loved despite hate from people like RLM. Heck half the people who hate the prequels have terrible arguments that can be debunked. Not to mention the creator of Star Wars made the prequels.

[@Каска-колбаска]

@@jamesrogers5184 Well I don't think the prequels were universally loved (as was the original trilogy which came out at a time when sci-fi was treated like a joke) but that doesn't matter as it's a completely different trilogy with a different perspective and approach to the story, it mirrored Luke's story but in a tragic way, where he went to the new and unknown to himself, his father was a prisoner of the past as well as his attachments to the only person who understood him better than others - Padme, I think the prequels are stronger than the original trilogy and at the same time makes the events 4 - 6 episodes more important than ever

[@jamesrogers5184]

@@Каска-колбаска yeah that I can agree with. They weren’t universally loved but they weren’t horrible like the media was trying to say they were.

[@Каска-колбаска]

@@jamesrogers5184 I also don’t think that they were terrible in any sense or aspect, I like the prequels more than the original trilogy, but I think all sequels or prequels have an irreversible fate in one way or another to arrange hostility against the creator, I also have different thoughts about Star Wars but first of all I wonder what George himself would like to see and show, in the end it was he who gave me such a wonderful universe and a story in six part saga

[@jamesrogers5184]

@@Каска-колбаска same. The prequels if you ask me were amazing and just as good as the originals. And I agree with you on George. He was the one who gave us Star Wars.

[@erictrobin]

11th challenge: tying the shoelaces

[@tysonwastaken]

once i rewatch these i'm gonna play devils advocate to this video

[@DinoMan2945]

Can you please do a next Video on a Video game called Star Wars: Starfighter. This game made its release 2 years after the Phantom Menace & takes place during its events. The game in my opinion was under appreciated. & like ever other Star Wars Expanded Universe content it also got decanonized.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Battle For Naboo too!

[@gabrielg3866]

If there's no George Lucus, this shit ain't Star Wars

[@Silver4Hire]

So uhh the legends stuff… ain’t StarWars? George is the foundation but it’s the combined work of all the writers that made StarWars that it is.

[@gabrielg3866]

@@Silver4Hire Yeah I look at anything else that isn't made by George Lucas as non official supplemental material but no piece of fiction will every really feel like star wars without George Lucas's involvement no matter how good the thrawn trillogy is. And yes while empire strikes back was directed by Irvin Kershner George Lucas was involved in writing the story.

[@virgogaming6488]

@@gabrielg3866 True, much EU written work feels like fanfiction.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@virgogaming6488 It's more faithful to Star Wars than Disney's garbage though...

[@vaderkurt7848]

​@Silver4Hire The main difference is the expanded universe still had to go through George Lucas for them to be published.

[@VgnRaj]

You brought up a good point about Mystery Boxes. I wonder what the worst Mystery Boxes of all time (cinema or written works) were? I'm also wondering how many of them were from Jar-Jar Abrams? Was he even high up on such a list?

[@Aussieroth7]

25:53 Ohhh it gets BETTER! From Daisy Ridley's mouth, one of the original ideas was that she was Kenobi's granddaughter... granted that might justify TCW's existence further but come on, THAT would have been amazing! A Kenobi teaching two generations of Skywalker men, only for a Skywalker to train a Kenobi! The only problem... is that is clever, and Kathleen Kennedy and her dumbass cronies never wanted anything clever... Or Star Wars... Or anything enjoyable.

[@peteypiranalover]

I do fault Lucas for Greivous. Greivous is my favorite character. I am fine with his modern portrayal. Prefer his first. But they do not work together. We end up having 3 different characters all being the one Character. Lucas has said he wanted to change him to have less similarities to Vader.

[@tomnorton4277]

They needed to balance Grievous out. 2008 Grievous was trash and 2003 Grievous was overpowered. ROTS Grievous is the most authentic Grievous but during the main Clone Wars, we needed to see him actually killing Jedi without being OP like the 2003 version was. For example, on Hypori, Grievous should have been using 4 lightsabers. He could still beat all 5 Jedi, but make sure his power level is reasonable. 4 lightsabers accomplishes that by showing that Grievous CAN win on his own, but he has to pull out all the stops to do so.

[@Каска-колбаска]

I still don’t understand why it was impossible to make a new trilogy for example about Darth Plagueis, because for him there was a mention that he could cheat death, and it seems to me that he could be an even greater threat than Palpatine, just imagine what a large-scale conflict could unfold against him and the remains of the Empire and other allies

[@virgogaming6488]

It might have gone that direction if Rian didn't kill off Snoke and not explain who he is.

[@boettcherentertainment]

4.) You know how Lucas always changes his mind about the story? Well, his pitch for 7-9 would have had Maul’s return and Leia ending up being the Chosen One, so Anakin There wouldn’t be that big of a character either. The sequels we got, however, shows Anakin’s legacy all over again, just through Ben Solo. Something we didn’t need to see, but interesting to find a version of his grandchildren turn to the dark side, oh wait, Darth Caedus. No matter what avenue you see the sequels, Anakin either has a minor or no impact at all. I do agree Anakin should have been there more, I would have loved to see Anakin again, in fact Anakin was supposed to be in TLJ until Lucasfilm decided Yoda would be better.... you’re on to something. And for your point on 2, I agree.

[@Nidstang_]

Lucas had multiple different ideas for sequels. One he used to talk about was about exploring the midichlorians in the micro-universe. He ultimately decided not to continue the movies though, and let the EU act as the story going forward, so "what George would have done" is irrelevant.

[@boettcherentertainment]

@@Nidstang_ Irrelevant until you read his interview in a modern book. He was writing the sequels back in 2012, and Disney turned them down. Don't use irrelevant until you have all of the facts down.

[@Nidstang_]

@@boettcherentertainment You are mistaken. He had story ideas he gave to Disney with the buy out, expecting them to follow them. He was not planning to make any more movies or go forward with it himself.

[@boettcherentertainment]

@@Nidstang_ Whatever, point still stands.

[@ryanbarth6691]

@@boettcherentertainment JJ plaigerisims made a video explaining why he's so mad in his videos

[@Humbertusmarius]

I strongly agree, and have been saying it from the moment I saw The Force Awakens. The Sequel Trilogy INVALIDATES the first six films by undoing the Rebel victory achieved in Return of the Jedi. That's when I knew the franchise was headed in the wrong direction. Such a wasted opportunity.

[@boettcherentertainment]

10) I don’t cherry pick. As much as I liked 2/3 of the sequels, I can’t help but agree with you. I wish we got something better. But for what we got, it was an enjoyable fast food trip. Duel of the Fates is still Ep. 9 to me-Disney’s version at least. I don’t really see the sequels as sequels, but fun what-ifs that happen to continue after Return.

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@ryanbarth6691 lol

[@clonetrooper2003]

#mega shill

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Great video. Sequel stans are entitled losers.

[@BrezHurley]

Sorry for the cliche comment, but your videos and analysis are pretty high quality. I'm surprised your subscriber count isn't 10-50x higher

[@starkjet2197]

Every time I see either rian Johnson, Kathleen Kennedy or J J Abrahams I think of that circus or clown toon 😂🤡

[@boettcherentertainment]

1.} The prequels were being hated left to right. I’m not saying what Disney did was right, but it’s what they thought - at the time - was more beneficial to their company. Thus, scrapping Lucas’ treatment and starting their own canon. Fear is what ultimately led to the downfall of the Disney trilogy.

[@willparker3018]

they’ll say shit to anything regardless and hope it sticks.

[@JinxTheLooneyToon915]

We'll make sure it doesn't stick.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

​@@JinxTheLooneyToon915For sure! I'm ready and willing!

[@moonman4207]

The chances of the sequels being loved in 10 years are slim to none. If anything they’ll most likely be decanonized within that time span due to leaving the Star Wars universe at a dead end.

[@PolunochniiDed]

Вот только Лукас снимал по методичке, тебе это не нравится, но твои дети это будут люить через 15 лет

[@boettcherentertainment]

9) they should release a bts, I wanted to watch the bts of all three, but there aren’t really any that are in line with the first 6 bts. I did enjoy Batuu at Disney Parks, tho! It was an awesome experience. If only Disney made a better structure for the films.

[@chimp320k]

I don’t like the sequel movies but I’ll try, I don’t respect it out really, but i think you have the right to like it no matter the corporate scandals, I can understand why people like these movies without caring about it. George Lucas’ opinion is still very helpful, but movies are in a new age I think it’s almost good to see different depictions of the same story. I feel like this was a mistake, yes but it could be representation of how the force has changed as even you said the force has a conscious. I don’t respect jj or Ryan because of all the things they’ve done. The Star Wars movies must evolve though. I’m gonna continue in the comments

[@ellugerdelacruz2555]

Doesn't matter if it's "evolution", if it's objectively bad storytelling it's bad storytelling. They can like it all they want, but they shouldn't claim that they're good movies.

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

The new writers that have obtained the Scream movie franchise had in the latest Scream movie trivia on IMDB that they wanted to focus on "toxic fandom" and that they are fans of Ruin Johnson. I have not liked any Scream movie after the 2nd one, which was a great sequel to the first film. I dont look forward to how that franchise gets ruined knowing the people that obtained it are fans of Ruin Johnson and also use terms like "toxic fans".

[@anthonyruby2668]

Excruciating Painful Costumes Of Torture (EPCOT)

[@julianc4859]

Im not a fan of the sequels but Lucas did want to have Luke to be a hermit

[@MasterKazur]

Lost was great, and the ending was perfect. That said, JJ had nothing to do with the show after Season one.

[@Attackz]

I’m just here to spread Dave Filoni love

[@aguywithaface2094]

Same

[@GalaxyDogenut]

We don’t recognise his rule here. (This is a joke.)

[@clonetrooper2003]

#DownWIthFiloni

[@BrandontheAwesome]

Well this is the wrong place to spread it. We hate Filoni here.

[@Darth-KronosYT]

The only thing I liked about the sequels was kylo ren

[@Каска-колбаска]

I get back to this challenge and not so long ago I got this video in my recommendations and I want to hear what you think about it kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYqWpZ58qbGWidE I don't mind if Quentin doesn't like these movies, but he literally didn't say anything about why Revenge of the Sith or the prequel trilogy is bad, and fanatic comments are like a mud puddle to me

[@damienlarson4145]

Divining people's opinions on a movie doesn't make a good movie. Good writing makes a good movie.

[@rogersstinson4019]

Though I love the sequels ( minus last Jedi). I don’t respect them

[@yaj_5002]

Fair enough

[@clonetrooper2003]

#DisneyLover

[@samgrimins5118]

I am extremely disappointed in you. How dare you use a Bith musician as an example of a nobody. Half of a Bith musician would have been better than the sequel trilogy.

[@boettcherentertainment]

5.) The only world building it gives is character specific. Vaguely Han, Vaguely Rey, Finn, and a deserved semi-focus on Ben. Everything else is to the side, which it really shouldn’t be.

[@aguywithaface2094]

I’m glad Rey is no one, then they fucked it up in 9, I hate that movie

[@NielOogabooga]

But I like Rey because she's my dream girlfriend

[@beezysbeatz4924]

I had always assumed people that liked the ST were just casual movie goers that know nothing about Star Wars but like the spectacle who are not necessarily SW fans, feminists and trolls just being contrarian. I don't believe I've ever seen any content dedicated to the ST, shit Lucasfilm doesn't even talk about the sequels. Where's the Disney+ REYLO series? Or a Ben Solo prequel series? What's Rey mf Skywalker up to these days? Did brokenhearted Finn say fuckit and go back to being a stormtrooper? Or settle down with Rose and have some force sensitive blasians? guess we'll never know. 😆

[@gunjantripathi3340]

WHY jj hates Hayden???

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Why wouldn't he? He's a Prequel Hater

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God I was talking about J.J. Abrams

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 oh okay

[@Silver4Hire]

I’m an OT fan, loved both kotors and stilled addicted to SWTOR and it’s stories. There is nothing that saddens me more than the treatment of Luke Skywalker and I still wish that they could retcon it (even more so now after what we got with the new Luke appearances). But why is it that you feel the need to actively attack people that enjoys something you don’t? StarWars is so much more than just the story of George Lucas, and the mentality of “because he’s the creator his ideas cannot be challenged” is very unhealthy. Lucas wasn’t some story telling genius that weaved the perfect story of StarWars. He told the story along the way. The fans had every right to dislike the midichlorians as it destroyed the beautiful message and depiction of Luke and what made him so relatable to the fans. With midichlorians being a thing the fate of the characters are just locked in. and yes, I am aware that midichlorians are just how the force communicate with living things and the physical world. I liked that explanation in Darth Plagueis as it fixes many of the issues I mentioned earlier. That’s another reason I choose to not hate on the sequels, I dislike the story but with later explanations it can all become much more enjoyable. And just like the OT fans you have every right to dislike the sequels but do you wish to become the very thing that you swore to destroy? This isn’t me making a case and trying to explain why sequels is good, this is me explaining that people can genuinely like the movies without taking the “blue pill”. Mind I remind you that prequel hate was what made Lucas sold StarWars? There are so many kids growing up these days with the sequel trilogy, and they love it, wether it’s because of the stories, the characters, the CGI, whatever. Do you feel a uncontrollable rage when you see little girls at Disneyland cosplay as Rey? I agree there is so many done wrong with the sequel trilogy and to me is definitely worst out of the three but I don’t get mad at people for liking them, and they don’t have to perfectly answer your 10 questions for them to be a fan of the trilogy. No one is saying sequel is the infallible masterpiece, just like although I’m a huge OT fan, I know that it doesn’t have the best story and a lot of stuff didn’t even made much sense plot wise. I guess what I’m trying to say is, stop the hate and the negativity. We are all massive StarWars fans here, with huge passion of it. It was what drove you to even make this video essay and what made me write this comment. I know that debates will never be settled in the StarWars community but it’s time for the sequel hate to die out, just like it did with the prequels. Hating on it does not change the story, it does not hurt Disney and I’m pretty sure it doesn’t bring you joy either. The only people you are hurting are StarWars fans who enjoy the trilogy.

[@bobthegodofmemes2249]

It’s refreshing to see comments like these.

[@virgogaming6488]

I don't like the sequel trilogy either but I can tolerate its existence and find some things to like from it.

[@Silver4Hire]

@Kenobi that’s your opinion. Me and many others think otherwise. Neither are true or false, they’re just that, opinions.

[@GalaxyDogenut]

@@Silver4Hire “Guys, the sun is a planet!” “The sun is not a planet, it’s a star.” “No, that’s just your opinion. Neither are true or false, they’re just that, opinions.” “Are you serious?”

[@GalaxyDogenut]

@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God um... it’s not a roast?

[@boettcherentertainment]

8) Force Awakens was a solid film. Last Jedi was a risky film. Rise was trash. Duel was epic. Disney said themselves they wanted to make something for the fans, it’s the creators they hired that muddled every detail. Which goes back to my last point about Fear and Greed.

[@ryanbarth6691]

You see JJ used to go by this username "ol painful" he had a rough rivalry with a user named stoodogg and stoodogg slandered ol painful by advocating him of pedophilia and zoophilia and raping children

[@Thekylezone]

seems like someone doesnt get Star Wars

[@clonetrooper2003]

Says the shull

[@BrandontheAwesome]

All the shills say that.

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@BrandontheAwesome no kidding, mi amigo

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@clonetrooper2003 I've dealt with my fair share of them. You figure one out, they all become easy to take down.

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@BrandontheAwesome good. How do you wreck them?

[@aguywithaface2094]

I really think this guy is crazy

[@aguywithaface2094]

@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God they are not hard

[@iuris_studentus]

Orwellian politicians also consider doubting people crazy. Think about it and rethink your life

[@ryanbarth6691]

@@aguywithaface2094 JJP made a video explaining why he's so angry in his videos

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@aguywithaface2094 yes they are bro

[@monsieurgentil2989]

1. I always separate the artist to the man, I have liked Baby Driver even though Kevin Spacey were caught in doubtful affairs. Thus I appreciate Disney Star Wars movies as movies coming from artists like JJ Abrams, Gareth Edwards, Rian Johnson, and Ron Howard. 2. Rian Johnson defends the prequels, showing he respects very much George Lucas. I like the prequels and parts of the sequels. Yes George Lucas does matter, but it doesn’t change that Rian Johnson (and JJ Abrams sometimes) understands Star Wars. 3. Rian’s definition of balance is that the Jedi keep balance (as Luke teaches Rey understanding the Force as balance between life and death), whereas Snoke believes it’s darkness who rises and light to meet it. When Rian Johnson talks about « If the Jedi rise the sith are going to come back and the whole thing will start again », he never talks about this as « balance ». Rian Johnson tried to get the story back on track by making Luke teach Rey (= Lucas teaching JJ) what the Force truly is. Not some kind of magic, but the energy between all things. Rian Johnson always talks about how much he respects George Lucas and while we see The Last Jedi it’s clear this is the only sequel which expands on the meaning of the Force by following the continuity of George Lucas’ philosophy. 4. Star Wars is not Anakin’s story, it’s the Skywalker story. He made the story about the legacy of the Skywalker family. Now that Anakin is dead and the last representant of the Force user is the heir of Skywalker, thus the saga is about the Force being expanded to the whole universe, and the story becomes about freeing the Force from the Skywalker family’s pride. Thus making Kylo Ren, the last Skywalker, become the main villain, was a clever idea.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

1. I don't. The Sequels are unethically made art, and no one who tries to defend them ever bring up the shady history of those films. 2. Ah yes the "Rian Johnson likes the Prequels" argument. If he were really a Prequel Fan, he wouldn't have retconned those movies to fuck. I'd say it's more of a PR response than anything. 3. I just showed a clip that contradicts what you're trying to tell me. 4. Dead wrong. George Lucas has stated that Star Wars is Anakin's story. Disney are trying to change what the story is by renaming it "The Skywalker Saga" which they don't even follow on making it a story about the Skywalkers given the Main character of the Sequels is a Palpatine through at least 2-3 retconned backstories. Also your defense of Kylo being the main villain is extremely weak and proves JJ and Rian are just dirty plagiarist scum.

[@riansubversivisms5120]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 if this really was Anakin’s story, this wouldn’t have been called Star Wars, but Anakin Wars.

[@riansubversivisms5120]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 the clip you showed in the video doesn’t contradicts that idea of balance. At no moment he talks about « balance » in this clip. The only time Luke speaks about balance in The Last Jedi, is to explain that the Jedi are keeping the balance in the Force, which is exactly what Lucas said the balance was. I am Rian Subversivisms and what are stories but experiments with storytelling ?

[@riansubversivisms5120]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 Rian didn’t retcon the prequels. Also, he is the only one who acknowledged their existence out of all the sequel trilogy, thus you should be thankful to him because he bridged the gap of continuity between the prequels and the sequels. He didn’t retcon them at all, unless you have understood wrongly what The Last Jedi was.

[@monsieurgentil2989]

@@ryanbarth6691 Do you know JJ Plagiarisms has made a video on one of your comment ? You’re a celebrity.

[@asantiago704]

Well, Lucas lied when he said the SE would be remasters of the OT, not the crap mess he ended up doing. And later he back stabbed all the EU creatives by changing origins, ideas and lore with his prequels, later doing it again and worse when he decided to remake the original CW event with his weak, child friendly Filoni remake. He loved making mistakes, all the way to the end. And his sequel ideas were as bad as what KK/Disney ended up doing, so in the end the result was going to be the same. When you started talking about Lucas as the creator of SW, which I am not denying, you started to sound just like the so called sequel fans, when defending their crap plagiarized knock offs, with threats of violence. Not good on your part. My question to you is, have you ever created something? A world inspired by something, or from your imagination? We are still human beings and make mistakes. Lucas certainly did. Just because he is a creative, doesn't mean he is a good writer nor director. Don't be dishonest with that, it kills your narrative, thus the message you want to say.

[@jordyforty5109]

it blows my mind that you claim to be a star wars fan but you bash every piece of star wars media that is not ROTS and continue to belittle people who are fans of this media. it is disappointing that this is where the star wars community has gotten.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

But did you watch the video or are you leaving a comment prematurely because I make a solid case.

[@jordyforty5109]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 look at every single review you have ever made a find a video that’s talks about Star Wars in a positive sense that isn’t the prequel trilogy. I watched the video as I watch your other videos with disappointment that you cannot enjoy a single piece of Star Wars media and still parade that you’re a Star Wars fan. it makes no sense and now all your doing is criticizing fans in a biased video essay for liking media you disliked. The only valid argument surrounded by factual statements was the corrupted transaction of Lucas films over to Disney.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

@@jordyforty5109 you need watch more of my videos. Like my Heir to the Empire review. That novel hardly relates to the Prequel trilogy and I gave it the thumbs up.

[@Silver4Hire]

I agree. But at the same time this has been the Star Wars community from the very beginning (or at least after ep5 and WHO SHOT FIRST). Literally any community with great passion is somewhat toxic, and I suppose that’s just how it is. I just hope that they at least become self aware.

[@ryanbarth6691]

@@jordyforty5109 the guy made a video explaining why he's so mad in his videos

[@boettcherentertainment]

3.) ok, but the actual definition of “balance” makes no sense. Why is light-dominant considered balance? That’s light-dominant. Balance, by dictionary definition, is the same weight from both sides. I think Rian had something going in TLJ, but that’s just my thoughts.

[@kingorange7739]

No semantics in the world changed what the rules of the universe are. The reason why Dark Side users aren’t part of the balance is because while the light side is about following the will of the force and working in conjunction with it, the dark side of forcibly beating the force to obey your own will. As such the use of the dark side inherently is a corruption that disrupts the force harmony that exists between life and death.

[@aguywithaface2094]

I can beat all of these challenges

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Every Sequel Fan before you who took me up on all the challenges fell flat on their faces, by missing the point of the challenge by a country mile and/or making bare bones cookie-cutter statements without explaining the how and why.

[@aguywithaface2094]

@Ralsei Acolyte cause he is God it is, I don’t love the sequels I just think force awakens is pretty good and I like the second half of last Jedi

[@aguywithaface2094]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 bro, the questions were not that hard

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

@@aguywithaface2094 You say it’s not hard but haven’t tried to refute a SINGLE ONE so far. You’re just saying you can beat them without actually accepting the challenge

[@aguywithaface2094]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 I’m just not writing the answers

[@tristanmoore9653]

1. This “controversy” isn’t even about the films themselves, it’s an extra-textual BTS tidbit. So, why would I “support” “the sequels” after knowing that Disney discarded his treatments? For one, I’m capable of enjoying stories without Lucas’s input. For another, we know that some of Lucas’s ideas did make it into the Sequel Trilogy. 2. This is an almost incomprehensible “challenge.” I can and do think Lucas’s opinion “matters,” as vague as that sounds, yet still enjoy the sequels. Just as I can enjoy or not enjoy parts of the SW films he was more involved in. I reject the idea that Lucas is SW. SW is a cinematic saga; its influences are necessarily pluralistic. On top of that, Lucas’s ideas for SW are iterative; they draw from disparate influences across time and cultures. And thirdly, I’ll just invoke “Death of the Author” - the meaning of a text extends beyond the author’s intent as soon as it is interpreted by an audience. This is the nature of art and if it weren’t, we would all share the same “correct” opinions about a subject that is inherently subjective. 3. This one line from Johnson isn’t out of context so much as it is misrepresentative of what he believes about the Force. He’s stating it’s what he has Luke believe, even though Luke eventually realizes the error of his ways and returns to being a Jedi. So, it’s a moot point. Again, Lucas is not the sole arbiter of artistic interpretation. That’s antithetical to interpretation. 4. If SW is just Anakin’s story, then did Lucas’s treatments resurrect Anakin? I’m sure they didn’t. Do we know if Lucas’s treatments had Anakin show up as a ghost? We don’t. But are the sequels a follow-up of Anakin’s legacy? Well, sure, given Kylo’s preoccupation with Vader and his eventual redemption. They’re about the last Skywalker and how that name grows beyond a family. 5. These aren’t “plot holes.” A plot hole “is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot.” If TFA established that the First Order couldn’t build the Starkiller, and then showed the Starkiller, that would be a plot hole; the problem for your argument is there is no such precedent set. TFA is matter of fact about the world it sets up (or regresses, however you see it), but it never contradicts itself. Greater in-media context would be appreciated for certain aspects (although I don’t need to see the receipts for the Starkiller; this is SW, I can suspend my disbelief for space fantasy shit that doesn’t make sense), but it isn’t necessary to understand the story as it’s presented. This point is mostly just nitpicking. 6. Mysteries assist the films because they propel them forward and make them intriguing. Easy. I’m not sure you can say they “rely” on audience imaginations given that mysteries the films bring up are eventually answered. I personally prefer the way Johnson answers Abrams’ mysteries than I do Abrams does himself, but it’s subjective. 7. No one gives a shit about the PT because they have some “cohesive story” or whatever. People started caring because the people who grew up with them liked them. Then they post-hoc rationalized their way into arguing for their merits. And that’s okay! It’s ironic that you’d consider TPM unskippable given many fan discussions, like the Machete Order that deems TPM optional. Anyway, TFA and TLJ play off each other quite well. I do agree TRoS is reactive and it’s my least favorite for it. Does that mean I’m not a sequel fan? 8. The Prequels divided the fan base too. So. I’m sorry TLJ didn’t spell out its message for you… even though it did. It’s not Johnson’s fault that many SW fans lack media literacy even when the film literally spells out its themes to people. You haven’t established that the Sequels were made to divide. Just that they did divide. I think the onus is on you to prove that the multibillion dollar conglomerate Disney would be in the business of purposefully trying to alienate the core fan base to ones of its largest IPs. 9. Uhhh, what? I don’t “trust” Disney, nor do I like the films of theirs I like because a Disney employee said something about them. This is grasping at straws. 10. Here’s a challenge. Stop strawmanning. I’ve read the Thrawn Trilogy. TLJ blows it out of the water.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

#FakeFan confirmed. Thanks for your time in the fandom, now get out!

[@tristanmoore9653]

@@BrandontheAwesome lmao

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@tristanmoore9653 #DisneyShill

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@tristanmoore9653 No one wants you here. Get out.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@tristanmoore9653 #FakeFan

[@2ndofficercharleslightolle878]

J.J heres 6 challenges for you 1: Lucas Sold The Rights 2: Lucas Sold The Rights 3:Lucas Sold The Rights 4: Lucas Sold The Rights 5: Lucas Sold The Rights 6: Rey Is A Skywalker Good Luck ;)

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

You're in luck, I've already disputed the Selfish "George Lucas Sold The Rights" argument in another video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2fZY5yslrB5gpI

[@clonetrooper2003]

Pah, general disney shill, we meet again!

[@2ndofficercharleslightolle878]

@@clonetrooper2003 mate do you really think i'm a Disney shill i hated rogue one and refuse to watch Black Panther Wakanda Forever Or The Lion King Would A Disney Shill Do That Or Am I Automatically A Shill Because I Liked The Sequels?....

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@2ndofficercharleslightolle878 YES IT DOES. I dont give a crap if you hated cesrtain fioms. The MINUTE you shilled for the sequels, you were doomed forever #DisneyLover

[@2ndofficercharleslightolle878]

@@clonetrooper2003 #NO IT DOESN'T If I Were A Shill I'd Not Complain About The Sequels Trust Me I Have Problems With The Movies Most Notably General Hux Being Made A Joke In The Last Jedi & Rise Of Skywalker, I Just Dont Complain About Luke Or Rey And Mate I Dont Love Disney, Rogue One Sucked But The Sequels Themselves Are Overhated Where's The Hate That The OT And Prequels Deserve Even Tho I Loved Those Trilogy Especially The Prequels They Have Problems For Example Multiple Bad CGI Special Editions To A New Hope And For The Prequels Lines That Sound Bad Out Of Context Reply When Your Not Acting Like J.J Plagiarisms #WhyCantIEnjoyTheSequelsWithoutGettingHated #StopShillingForGeorgeLucas #OpingionsAreOpingions

[@Nostalgicnerd1983]

Your toxic beo