10 Challenges For Expanded Universe Haters

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Help me reach my goal of 1,000 subscribers. You're my only hope.

[@saberiandream316]

Thank you for using the term I coined, "Filoni groupies." Let's get it spread among the fandom!

[@DavidBentley23]

Here are the three thrawn trilogy audio books kzbin.info/aero/PLlKJO4D2BftV-zZFT7gtxJt9VfT2MsQIM

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

@@under_score3829 gee they sound so out of touch

[@darthprime1990]

In regards to Ahsoka's existence, I would've tolerated her character more if she was an apprentice to some other Jedi like Plo Koon. Making her Anakin's Padawan was not only a big mistake, but it also creates more problems, to the point that she was basically a walking plot device who was never alluded to in the movies or the CWMMP, despite having some decent arcs in the show. Now thanks to Mr. Cowboy Hat, Ahsoka has officially worn out her welcome not only out-of-universe, but in-universe as well.

[@saberiandream316]

I like RLM's Star Trek takes, but when it comes to Star Wars, I'm always in the minority, with everyone.

[@darthprime1990]

What I find ironic that the EU haters criticized the old canon for being a mess, despite the hierarchy tier system the EU had, and yet Disney Star Wars couldn't keep their own continuity consistent.

[@informalgeek1196]

They very much can tho. Current canon isn’t the absolute mess people seem to hang in it being. People often use the same 5 examples to demonstrate it, and if you’re gonna be consistent on criticism, the EU has just as many if not more continuity issues. And if you’re gonna use arguments like this video, such as context of when a story got made to explain why it contains stupid or goofy elements, you also need to understand the context of a big budget show taking priority over a book.

[@saberiandream316]

​@@informalgeek1196 They've retconned the Ahsoka novel, twice. In TCW Season 7, and in the Kenobi show. In the Ahsoka novel, Obi-Wan was already speaking with Qui-Gon at this point, while in the show he is not. The Kenobi show also retcons the canon Obi-Wan comics, where he was shown using his lightsaber, while in the show he buried it. They retconned Kanan Jarrus being the last Padawan in the Bad Batch. They brought Cobb Vanth into Mando, from Chuck Wendig's Aftermath, and yet I hear they retconned elements from that too. I mean, seriously, the reason the old EU was far more consistent is relative to the limited number of movies and television shows that occupied the time periods of its long existence. Now there's a streaming show coming out every year, and they want to eventually return to the movies. Those build up and have a cumulative effect. Death of a thousand cuts.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

@@informalgeek1196 While there are stories I like in the New Canon, from what I've seen and read it's far less consistent than Legends was. They aren't really doing anything to fix the continuity errors either unlike in the old days. Not saying it to just blindly bash the new stuff as there is stuff I do enjoy in the new continuity like I've said. But that's just from my personal experience with the material.

[@sonofluke3172]

It sounds like they have a de facto canon hierarchy but for some reason are too ashamed to admit it. I knew from the beginning that showrunners or movie directors weren't going to be told that they couldn't do something they wanted because it contradicted a book or comic. The prequels didn't contradict as much as they could have, and for the most part was able to work around the EU. The EU was decanonized in 2014, because Disney claimed they wanted more creative freedom...apparently they used that freedom to remake the OT, except worse.

[@saberiandream316]

@@sonofluke3172 AND remake Legacy of the Force, Jedi Prince, and Dark Empire. To once and for all dispute the claims they were _ever_ going to pick the "best" of the EU to make "canon" again, lol.

[@Nidstang_]

One more note about Dark Empire. Luke also "turns to the dark side" to better understand the dark side. Which helps him better understand the Force as a whole, and be a better teacher in NJO.

[@DisFantasy]

He learned he was arrogant and it was a mistake.

[@saberiandream316]

Here's the thing the haters DON'T understand. If it was never canon, why even discontinue it at all? It's just that "parallel universe" that's non-canon, and the rebranding is even _more_ justification to keep it going under the new title, the way fans were asking back in 2014, and they deliberately ignore us. They're not "officially" clarifying that it was "never canon," the way apologists insist, because even if you subscribe to the idea that George was behind all the retcons in TCW, hey, at least the Clone Wars period still existed when he was in charge, it wasn't just purged from the history of the timeline. The hierarchy of canon followed the old formula that had been in place with the original sequel, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, as George was always fine allowing his story to be continued in a smaller format if he didn't possess the budget to go bigger and flashier, and despite Empire Strikes Back actually being made, the original sequel, the novel, still fit into the old EU almost seamlessly. The hierarchy of canon was a model that worked back then and still works today as it ensures that while bits of the EU can be picked up and put in the movies and that pieces of the EU could be overwritten, most of it would still exist and continue expanding - the exact same thing Disney Star Wars is doing now. Why else would the Disney sequel trilogy require a hard reboot, clean slate, and wipe out even the Old Republic era, when you really only needed to jettison the post-Endor timeline? Because they wanted to rewrite Star Wars from day one, as simple as that. It's only complicated if you CHOOSE to make it complicated by closing your mind.

[@Daniel_Huffman]

More importantly, if the EU was truly "never canon," why would Lucasfilm have needed to declare it non-canon in 2014? In this scenario, Lucasfilm is essentially saying, "This thing that was never canon still isn't canon." It would be a waste of breath for them.

[@frostyfrenchtoast]

Why would Disney expend resources doing upkeep on a wholly different publishing initiative? And besides Legends had nearly 30 years of material under its belt prior to being rebranded, so it’s not like EU fans are being neglected or anything. You have legitimately 5 or 6x the content and material then what is currently available under the Canon banner. I just fail to see the problem? I’m a sequel trilogy fan and I’m planning to read NJO and that has like 20 front to back *novels* for that single storyline, nevermind any other eras or scenarios. If you want the EU to expand you could always just make your own stuff and collaborate with other fans, you for sure have more than enough of a skeleton for that. I don’t think a lot of Canon fans actually “hate” the EU, I think it gets a common rep for being silly, but that’s kinda just what you get when your expanded universe is published under 40 different creatives each with their own unique perspectives on these characters and the mythos in general. But I will say in my experience Legends fans can be VERY obnoxious and annoying towards fans of the Disney material, so much so that many people steer clear of the Legends timeline as a knee jerk reaction to that behavior on part of some of those fans. EU hate in general is just very surface level, seeing as most legit have never read that material lol. Like being real, how can you expect me to earnestly and with an open mind consume the material that you love, when you wouldn’t in a million years afford me that same kind of respect as a fan? I’m only just now getting into the EU because of chill EU fans when I would have far sooner had I not felt so antagonized against from that community. I get called a soulless shill for liking the sequels (I wish I got paid for my character rambles lmfao) so why would I give the thing that you push forward any kind of attention? If any Canon fans were to get into the EU like you guys want, it won’t be because of you or channels like this. These channels are just circlejerks of disgruntled fans for that very reason, it’s too gatekeepish and strange for much else.

[@vaderkurt7848]

​@@frostyfrenchtoast"gatekeepish" Meh should have been gatekeepish.

[@Onio_362]

Nope, Disney would probably ruin the expanded universe, too. It's pretty clear when they come up with their own ideas. They're so bad!

[@lumeronswift]

Every single time I saw Disney steal characters from Legends/EU and make a zombified version of them I died a little inside... first time I saw TFA I was screaming inside about how Jason was being ripped off... and he was plagiarised so incredibly badly, too.

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

The canonicity tier system is something that bites Disney back time and time again. Because they do not have such a system, it's the reason why stuff like TCW Season 7 retconning the Ahsoka novel or Bad Batch retconning Kanan The Last Padawan keep happening. People have put so much faith in the hack Filoni, they're either willing to accept or blissfully ignorant of these retcons. We've reached a point where Disney Star Wars have become an inbred freak : the Kenobi show has so much stuff lifted off Jedi Fallen Order, it's not even funny.

[@saberiandream316]

They do, though - they just won't ADMIT they do.

[@matthewofcolumbus5610]

Disney canon should be a category *below* non-canon.

[@trevturp6891]

What do you mean so much stuff lifted off?

[@yrooxrksvi7142]

@@trevturp6891 Stuff straight up RIPPED OFF from JFO. The Inquisitorius break-in, a lady Inquisitor with a dark past that may or may not be redeemed, a very early rebel cell with ragtag ships. Even Leia's toy robot is reminiscent of BD1.

[@emperormilk_]

The EU, is and always will be the real canon. Disney Star Wars is trash

[@gabethebabe3337]

Star Wars Legends retcons remind me of Venture Bros retcons, where they come up with cool ways to add more relevance to an undercooked idea that wasn't allowed to be elaborated on at the time. It's cool seeing Thrawn trilogy characters during the context of the prequel era in stuff like the Jedi Quest books. The EU was rich and vast.

[@TheAutistWhisperer]

I never understood the hate towards the EU, in fact, it has some of my favourite stories from Star Wars. One argument I heard is because it had bad stories so it needed to be retconned, this also stated by a person who hated the prequels, so I retorted " Okay, so you hate the prequels, so by that logic because you think they are bad, that means the OT films should be retconned"

[@SolurVoludun]

Only illiterate morons hate the EU

[@juliuszhorst8083]

You overestimate them. Give them challenges they can actually complete, like "make yourself a sandwich" or "tie your shoes".

[@ximthedespot4673]

Calling Dave Filoni a cowboy is an insult to all cowboys everywhere.

[@ryanbarth6691]

JJ plaigerisims is a bully

[@ximthedespot4673]

@@ryanbarth6691 And how exactly is JJ a bully?

[@Starkstar502]

@@ryanbarth6691 No, he’s not. He’s defending the original creator’s work. George Lucas has been slandered for years and he and other supporters of him are not gonna take it.

[@davidbraccini4770]

I am quite amazed that the Expanded universe was so good that they even patched plot holes that were created by the comics before the prequels!

[@firestriker3580]

What

[@davidbraccini4770]

@@firestriker3580 Go watch 24:56

[@TheOwneroftheIC]

Filoni treated Leeland Chee like shit and got Pablo Hidalgo promoted just to have a way around getting lore-checked.

[@cowboys8897]

Dave should have never given that much power but then again, none of this should be a problem because Dave should have respected the established lore and build upon it, not retcon it 😮😮

[@matthewofcolumbus5610]

33:24 You've gotta be shitting down my throat, they wrote a book about Padme dealing with *PERIODS??*

[@saberiandream316]

Yes. The author, E.K. Johnson, did it for the SOLE purpose of getting a Wookieepedia page about "Menstruation" made. Seriously, go look it up yourself if you don't believe me...

[@informalgeek1196]

They wrote a book, with the audience of teenage girls, about a teenage padme yes. It’s a young adult novel about and for teenage girls. Are you gonna be upset that it deals with stuff teenage girls have to deal with? How dare a teenage girl book deal with teenage girl subjects.

[@informalgeek1196]

@@saberiandream316 you’re telling me older content that was often heavily censored weren’t allowed to discuss content were more social able to discusses today? Wild. Also I have no idea what female friends of yours are grossed out by periods. They should maybe figure that out among themselves

[@saberiandream316]

@@informalgeek1196 Talk about censorship, I bet you for the KOTOR 2 remake, Sion will be toned down. You're assuming ANYONE who _ever_ wrote for the Star Wars universe at one time wanted to cover that. That's faulty logic. Because you're making something for a specific group does not mean you have to pander to them. But this has been Disney's problem the whole time.

[@informalgeek1196]

@@saberiandream316 how is it pandering? It’s pandering to teenage girls to, acknowledge teenage girl issues? Dang. I never realized being about being a teen was pandering to teens before. Also I didn’t assume anything. It’s very possible no author has ever wanted to focus on that before. But that Doesn’t make EK writing about it bad. Also I certainly hope Sion wont be toned down, I love kotor 2. It’s my single favorite EU story. But I’m not too worried about it, canon has a lot of really dark stuff in it. I find the complaining about the padme books Especially funny, because it’s a book none of the people complaining about it would have ever been interested in reading to begin with. It’s like me crying about the new swtor update despite me having absolute zero interest in ever touching swtor.

[@therevanchist8967]

The heretics will pay for their crimes.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

They will indeed pay for blasphemy

[@sgtmarcusharris4260]

Here's a simple question for eu haters. If it was never canon why did Lucasfilm half to make a statement that its no longer canon.

[@loganveracruz6328]

Simple EU soiboi fanboi, they simply clarified that it wasn't in the first place in the announcement. They never mention the word decanonization in the announcement. They were just finally enforcing George's policy via what was said in Starlog 337 and what it actually was the whole time.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

​@@loganveracruz6328The EU was canon, even Lucas acknowledged this. Otherwise, we wouldn't have had the references to the EU in Episodes II and III.

[@KidPrarchord95]

EU hater here! I don't reject the idea that the EU, unfortunately, was canon at one point. It is indisputable fact that it was treated as such

[@owen8755]

Wow ! Just discovered your challenge and I am impressed. I am a big EU fan and you spoke straight facts throughout this entire video. I wish more Star Wars fans saw the truth that is this video ! Amazing work

[@jaxxpool9630]

I would like to say as one of J.J’s co-writers is that even though I don’t have much experience in the EU or have much interest in it overall, I still understand what it means to certain Star Wars fans like you guys and I’m sure it tells plenty of great stories over the years.

[@saberiandream316]

I was the one who recommended he point to the Marvel Comics as an example of continuity even before the EU as we knew it really existed.

[@Gooooofey]

I haven’t read dark empire but a sequel fan tried telling me rise of skywalker was an adaptation of it. I explained to him the sequels had LITERALLY no context for palpatines return and to make to worse, no foreshadowing, something Star Wars is known for and he tried counting dark empire as foreshadowing like wtf

[@BlackMaleSpirituality]

The expanded universe is probably more accessible now since there are so many in depth videos on KZbin about it. I actually became a fan of the Expanded Universe by casually reading Star Wars guidebooks and Wookiepedia articles. I haven’t read the books or played the video games, outside of Star Wars Battlefront and Force Unleashed.

[@boxxidraws7690]

This really shows how Kathleen Kennedy was lying thru her teeth when she said "There was no original source material to draw from" or she's just ignorant about the EU.

[@theguntretort820]

Great video dude, every prequel hater needs to APOLOGIZE to george.

[@StarWarsExpandedUniverse]

Amazing and important video. Watched this a few days ago, and been sharing it around since!

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Thank you for sharing. It means a lot.

[@voiceofreason467]

Ftr, both Filoni and George both came up with the idea of Anakin having an apprentice. This is covered in the Star Wars The Clone Wars: The Official Episode Guide, Season 1 pp. 7-9. So even if Filoni didn't come up with the idea, George was already on his way to adding an apprentice to the Chosen One. He came up with her name, her race and even her personality, while Filoni's ideas about her being timid and a little bit shy were shunted in favor of George's idea of having her be a firebrand that makes up nicknames for people.

[@DavidBentley23]

Here is all 3 audiobooks of the Thrawn trilogy. kzbin.info/aero/PLlKJO4D2BftV-zZFT7gtxJt9VfT2MsQIM

[@tetsuoswrath]

Love this video. Definitely linking this to any EU hater I come across from now on. :{

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Do it!

[@beedrillbot121]

I’ll be honest, I didn’t think much of Dark Empire before listening to the Audiodrama. It felt like watching a movie dualogy. Here’s the audio drama kzbin.info/aero/PLD2gfN6G-FZ1pOV-1hHT70qKfBHd9QOSs since it isn’t available for purchase unless you have 554$ dollars lying around for the cd.

[@under_score3829]

As someone who has read Dark Empire, I don't think it's very good. HOWEVER, I do think it's less problematic than the Disney Sequels and Rise of Skywalker, for a handful of reasons. 1) Even though Palpatine returns and has an inexplicable large army and inexplicable super weapons, at least in Dark Empire, they provide something of a rule for why Palpatine survived and why he won't after Dark Empire. They explain that his spirit fled his body and went into a clone body. Now there are rumors the same is true in TRoS, but what makes Dark Empire different is --- at the end of the final installment of Dark Empire, the spirit of Sidious tries to fly into baby Anakin Solo's body to possess him -- but instead, an ex-Jedi named Brand steps in front of the baby and Sidious's soul goes into him instead. Basically, Brand traps Sidious's soul inside himself, and because Brand is dying, that extinguishes Sidious's soul once and for all. It's not the strongest writing, but at least it's something to latch onto, as far as why this time, Palpatine's death will be permanent. 2) It's very soon after Return of the Jedi. Dark Empire is only 6 years after Return of the Jedi. So even though Palpatine returns and forces the Republic off of Coruscant, it's early enough in the timeline that when they defeat him, they can bring back the Republic and the Jedi for real. Whereas the Disney Sequel Trilogy is 30 years after the OT. Luke Han & Leia rebuilt the Republic and the Jedi, only for them to be destroyed. By the end of the Sequels, Luke, Han, & Leia are dead, and it just feels like the entire generation after Return of the Jedi was pointless. But in Dark Empire, less time is made pointless. And Luke hadn't even started bringing the Jedi back yet in Dark Empire, so they didn't have to destroy anything there. 3) Luke Skywalker bringing back the Jedi. Palpatine was only a part of Dark Empire. Another huge part of Dark Empire was Luke Skywalker beginning his quest to bring back the Jedi Knights and train new students. One of the most quoted lines from Dark Empire is "The Jedi Knights shall rise again!" There's so much mythology and world building in Dark Empire, at least as far as ancient Jedi are concerned. The planet Ossus is introduced, as well as older former Jedi like Bodo Baas, Vima Da Boda, Empatojayos Brand, and Ood Bnar (who's literally a talking tree). Luke actually starts finding some students like Kam Solusar, Rayf Ysanna, and Gem Ysanna. So Luke isn't an apathetic hermit who wants the Jedi to end and doesn't want to oppose evil like is is in The Last Jedi. Even when he joins Sidious, as J.J.P. pointed out, he does it to infiltrate Sidious and take him down from the inside. Even when he turns to the Dark Side, it's only because of how harrowing the experience is. He's not doing it out of betrayal.

[@informalgeek1196]

There aren’t rumors about episode 9, that’s all explained in the novel.

[@chrisclarke4665]

Can you do a reaction video to Rowan J Coleman's video on canon. He's arguing that you shouldn't decanonise anything in fandom and we should just accept the sequel trilogy and move forward. He's also a fan of star trek discovery so he can't really be helped.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

What did he say in regards to the Expanded Universe or did he claim it was never canon?

[@saberiandream316]

Discovery is made for insecure Millennials, not classic Star Trek fans.

[@CT-Irodion]

I swear if he’s yet another one of those hypocrites who is glad the EU is decanonized but is upset when people criticize the Disney Canon because he doesn’t know the difference between subjective opinions and objective facts in fiction, I’d say call this guy a lost cause not worth covering.

[@chrisclarke4665]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 He claimed it was never canon but tried to argue to his point that the EU was full of contradictions so he was glad it was never canon. He's kinda of a shill for CBS which is why he defends Discovery but also thinks that Disney Star Wars has always been financially successful and never underperformed even due to cost of reshoots. So why decanonise something that still works and has a following. (Cough Solo, Rise of Skywalker.) He plays the same talking point of 'what does it matter if it sucks its for made for young people to see themselves in Rey'. Just realised he's turned off comments as well.

[@informalgeek1196]

@@saberiandream316 good Star Trek fans continue to cry about discovery years after it’s release. Truly secure.

[@Nidstang_]

Fantastic video btw. Love seeing EU misconceptions debunked.

[@sumirunihon]

what do you think of the old republic?

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

A lot.

[@asantiago704]

Awesome video. The EU, or as I call it, Real Star Wars, was always supervised in one way or another by Lucas himself, thus creating along running saga with very specific lore developed, including the canon tiers. That is one of the many reasons I don't like he ended up doing in his "Special Editions" or prequels, as Lucas basically back stabs all who worked in either the original films and the already established lore, and it got even worse when in his "wisdom" decided to once again and for the last time, back stab all who fixed his screw ups in his prequels, by wanting to remake the Clone Wars event with the help of Filoni the hack. Another thing that is sad is that Lucas was extremely inconsistent on his thoughts regarding the EU. You call it nuance but I call it, lack of memory. When he talked about Slinter of the Mind's Eye, he still had a brain, after that, he just lost it and forgot many times the importance of what he once said, while keeping other projects in check, like during the post "Mind's Eye" early EU Marvel comics and once again during the EU renaissance with Heir to the Empire and Dark Empire. I've written articles about his early involvement in the EU, specially during the early years, and yes, he was always involved, but in the end he ended up hurting the EU, thus hurting SW. All his screw ups adding up until he made his last, selling. The EU IS my Star Wars. On another "unrelated" topic. Would love to discuss your thoughts on the Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2.

[@tornadic_brigadier7868]

I have heard TWC was later explained as Republic propaganda or at least some it, if I am not mistaken Fantasy Flight Games (they make Star Wars tabletop stuff) uses COMPOR later COMPNOR to explain some of the conflicting sources from TCW and the Old EU. I do remember a theory on Reddit that TCW is Republic propaganda with the blasting music and the stinger that follows it is similar to allied propaganda in WW2. I would prefer TCW treated as propaganda given I am beginning to explore the Clone Wars Multimedia project, so I far prefer the Old EU as it does better job telling stories and doesn’t make the separatist look like an 80s cartoon villain, it is far more realistic than what TCW does. And this coming from someone who grew up with TCW and both prequels and original trilogy. They are some elements I liked from TCW, like the Umbara Arc, the Commando Droids and the tactical droids. As you can see it is a short list.

[@informalgeek1196]

The COMPNOR retcon isn’t real. It’s a one sentence line that in no way covers TCW since using the canon tier system TCW takes precedence. So if you actually used the FF blurb (even tho it in no way implies it’s a meta comment and not just a lore blurb, and you have to ignore that FF games have always been super messy with continuity) it would apply to the EU. TCW would be what really shortened and the republic comics and such the propaganda.

[@TheCotton]

Has anyone ever made a genuine attempt at your challenges?

[@Randomveteran]

Old video but I’m currently preparing to read the Clone Wars Multimedia Project. Recently I’ve become tired of the Disney and TCW. I remember reading a lot of post ROTJ EU when I was a kid and enjoyed it, but never got into the EU if that makes any sense. I also rewatched a lot of Disney stuff over the past few months and it fell incredibly flat imo. Also the Bad Batch season 3 was incredibly disappointing and honestly was really the catalyst for my interest in the EU. Prequels are my favorites and I noticed all the flaws and contradictions in TCW and Disney stuff on the rewatch and kinda felt upset that I never noticed them before. I’m not a TCW hater but it just doesn’t fit for me anymore. I’m excited for the full CWMMP experience

[@e46devin]

I think it’s funny when eu haters complain about mt. Sorrow when Disney canon has Geode. A fucking rock that’s a navigator on a ship in a high republic novel

[@KidPrarchord95]

I am an EU hater. This does not mean that I'm not also a Disney hater.

[@mmx9316]

I’ve been looking foward to this

[@saberiandream316]

A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@ulty1472]

36:17 this one is smoothed over as in disney canon Yoda had at least two lightsabers.. this has so far been my only complaint about this video

[@Onio_362]

Honestly, Disney literally could've just had their new trilogy be an adaptation of eu stories that took place after return of the jedi. Preferably for me, I would've liked to see the New Jedi order series be adapted into the new trilogy. I feel like that would've been the perfect story since it takes place in the expanded universe around the right time to match the original actors' ages. It also has new characters to introduce at the right time (Luke's wife and son, and Han and Leia’s kids), and it contributes to the Star Wars universe like the prequels did by introducing an alien race from another galaxy. Then we also get to know the rules of this galaxy as well, and we could've even had questions about this unidentified threat, kind of like we had questions about Snoke, Rey's parents, who Palpatine is, etc. (Except this time, our questions are answered because THERE'S ACTUALLY A DAMN PLAN!!!) We also get to see Luke Skywalker in action instead of him being jaded, which I don't think it was too much to ask out of Disney. I'd also prefer they didn't change a single thing about the story (except for when they make the timing of the story fit with the trilogy) because it's pretty clear when they come up with their own ideas, they're so bad.

[@75JUNAKI]

The only thing’s I have watched, read and played 2 game’s. - Tale’s of the Jedi, Ulic & Beast Wars, Nomi, Nadd Uprising, Dark Lord’s and Sith Wars (so far only 4 book’s) - Knight’s of the Old Republic Duology R.P.G’s - Clone Wars 2003 I have some game’s too (Jedi Academy & Outcast and Republic Commando). These are the only thing’s I have delve into the Original Expanded Universe. I like it so far because I just do, there many character’s in my list of best. Darth Revan, Kreia/Darth Traya, Ulic, Mandalore the Preserver, Mandalore the Indaminable (misspelling), Master Vodo and Nomi and Exar Kun. Those are just a few, but the stuff I’ve explored of The Old Republic so far is my favorite era.

[@Brendan-kx8iy]

Ah, palpamemes. I remember dealing with him and another idiot named Ruby on the Battlefront discord before I left it. Quite anti EU and very annoying.

[@damienlarson4145]

30:45 thought we didn't notice, but we did.

[@ianmaclaren8989]

I really want to see you debunk that idiot who made that debunking video of your response to Arthus850. They have such little understanding of authenticity and basic storytelling that it’s sad. I’d love to see you tear their arguments apart like I know you easily can.

[@ryanbarth6691]

What's his name

[@ianmaclaren8989]

@@ryanbarth6691 I have a feeling if I post her name my comment will be removed. Doesn’t matter though. JJP already posted a response. It’s his second most recent video just behind TCW Season 3.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

While I don't like the idea of Anakin having an apprentice either, wasn't it Lucas that came up with Ahsoka?

[@SolurVoludun]

If that’s the case, then shame in him for turning his back on the series, the writers and the fans

[@ZeronosVegaZero]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO A 10 CHALLENGES FOR SPECIAL EDITION HATERS BEFORE YOU DO THE 5 CHALLENGES FOR DAVE FILONI GROUPIES CAUSE I HONESTLY DON'T THINK THE 5 CHALLENGES FORMAT COULD WORK FOR THAT KIND OF VIDEO

[@BlackMaleSpirituality]

I second that request!

[@Jordan-ry1ol]

Hi J.J, as an fan of the sequels and an nobody on the expanded universe I’ll happily take up the challenge if that’s still up for the taking lol, I’ll try listen to an free audio book of Heir To The Empire, on KZbin so you get to keep your money, and I’ll report back once I’ve finished it

[@clonetrooper2003]

u seem like a reasonable person! enjoy

[@Jordan-ry1ol]

@@clonetrooper2003 thanks :)

[@jedikeyblade9558]

Did Luke fall in love with Calista before Mara?

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Yeah he was with Callista before Mara.

[@Kissamiess]

In early EU in the 90s a lot of authors tried to invent girlfriends for Luke until Zahn came back al told everyone it was Mara all along, duh.

[@Power3DHD]

One of the best videos ever

[@riverskipworth2657]

You will ask them general questions, to make sure they read it? They can use a short summary to answer those I guess. Ask them things that arenT obvious! Things they can know ONLY if they read the book.,

[@pixel80]

-Sequel- Disney fanboys use "the EU was trash" as their copium lmao

[@informalgeek1196]

So what about enjoying both?

[@saberiandream316]

@@informalgeek1196 One is being continued, the other is not. So to hell with that noise.

[@informalgeek1196]

@@saberiandream316 so what? One is over. It’s story telling potential is kinda dead in the water. Your only real opening for ongoing story is crucible to legacy, but legacy obviously caps that era creatively to some extent. But I guess you dislike things the second they’re over. Even tho it’s perfectly reasonable for a story to reach a conclusion.

[@saberiandream316]

@@informalgeek1196 There's always potential. Especially in the much-beloved Old Republic era. But creative potential doesn't mean sales, which is why they nuked the whole thing. You're making excuses for talentless, uncreative hacks who'd be NOTHING without the long history of the EU. Lol, wait'll this current iteration of canon is rebooted. That's on the horizon, no matter how long it takes us to reach it.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

@@saberiandream316 Plus we had Dawn of The Jedi that was cut short.

[@cowboys8897]

So that created a t canon slot for tcw. What!! Why? Given the fact that the eu has been around longer than tcw and has kept mostly consistent continuity with g canon, shouldn't thr t canon slot be under the eu slot? I mean, why give one show more freedom than books, games and comics that have been around for decades. That's completely disrespectful and unfair the the eu writers who have worked hard to kept things consistent, though to be fair, Filoni should have been more consistent with the eu out of respect for the eu writers and for established lore

[@LordInvictus-yt]

What about those of us who think G canon is the only canon, and that EU and Disney canon are both "What if?" stories? Basically, it's just G canon, and everything else is "what if?". Same with JAWS 1. JAWS is canon. JAWS 2 is just a What if. Same with the ET commercial that's a sequel to ET. It's just a what if. Same as the EU. Same as Disney Star Wars.

[@SolurVoludun]

Except that the EU IS canon

[@iamgrooters4326]

I’ve never fully read the EU I Have watched vids on some tho.

[@damienlarson4145]

39:33 LAIR!!!

[@sabretoothtiger4314]

Here is what you should do with the ten challenges series, you should come back to it in a few years and make another trilogy that everyone hates for some reason, then sell it to a sequels shill who proceeds to bastardize the entire franchise in exchange for a million subscribers

[@matthewgaudet4064]

I didn't like Thrawn in OT era it made no sense. Also no Luke and Mara in the story, lame. And Disney Thrawn is so weak. You are right about Clone Wars being lower canon from the films, Disney elevated it to the same level of canon of films 1-6. And also, their sequel trilogy and all their cartoon shows, comics and novels.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@matthewgaudet4064 This comment doesn't make sense.

[@fademiller3874]

5:00

[@informalgeek1196]

36:25, Yoda had a second saber. This is super basic. Thats been established since 2016 in the complete locations.

[@j.j.plagiarisms7149]

Wait, what? Why would he have two lightsabers?

[@informalgeek1196]

@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 because he’s 900. We know other Jedi who have multiple sabers at a fraction the age. It’s as simple as he either already had another one and he maybe got it during the temple raid, or he built it after the Sidious fight. Whatever the answer he has 2 (Also, he’s had 2 since 2004, as the part of 2016s consults locations was a copy over. 2016s complete locations was a simple updated version of 2005s complete locations, simply with TFA added. And 2005s complete locations was simply 3 previous books (ep 1, ep 2, and OT books plus ep 3) combined. So even in the EU he had two sabers. And has since 2004.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

@@informalgeek1196 Yeah Yoda even gave Qu Rahn one of those sabers.

[@burlbird9786]

Lol, tone it down a bit mate. Skippy is fun because it was made just for fun, not stupid. The stupidest Star Wars shite is that which was not made for fun. They are boring and stupid. Skippy is fun.

[@SolurVoludun]

The stupidest Star Wars shite is Dave Filoni’s fanfics

[@burlbird9786]

@@SolurVoludun The parts that take themselves too seriously, yes.

[@informalgeek1196]

A lot of the stuff here is still really goofy. And FYI I say this as an EU fan. And before the gatekeeping of who is or isn’t an EU fan comes back up, I own almost every print piece of EU ever produced. Using the EU for example you skipped over the fact that the empire built another 2 Death Stars. A pro type shell and inbetween 1 and 2 they constructed the Tarkin super laser. They also had the super ice weapon super weapon inbetween them. And a claiming SSD super weapon.

[@sonofluke3172]

Oh yeah, the EU can get super goofy (love it for that btw) but I think it makes total sense that the Empire would have multiple superweapons. And out of universe, two of the three original trilogy movies centered on a superweapon plot, so I think some writers are operating on the logic that the Empire prioritizes making these gigantic doomsday weapons.

[@vaderkurt7848]

Explanation is acknowledgement of the yuuzhan vong.

[@MasterporkyMinch]

Jesus dude why do you hate Dave filoni and his fans so much ?

[@Arthus850]

Because he loves George Lucas, views him as a god and sees anyone else as inferior. Seeing so many people propping Filoni up to the same level or even higher than Lucas is heresy to him.

[@maleexile9053]

Filoni killed the EU though

[@saberiandream316]

He spread lies about the EU to justify the fact that he didn't want to adhere to it, merely use the ideas of it however he wanted.

[@ryanbarth6691]

This guy is a hypocrite

[@Arthus850]

@@ryanbarth6691 Filoni or JJP?

[@tk-6967]

As someone who actually likes the EU, I have to disagree on the Disney rehashing stuff. I think it is unfair to hate on the inclusion of EU concepts and characters *unless* these are done ridiculously poorly such as Thrawn's return and the use of Scorpeneks in Book of Boba Fett which was god awful. I still appreciate the Canon Thrawn novels, the references to the *real* Tales of the Jedi (not the Filoni shit), Darth Revan, the Tarkin novel in general, nods to the Outrider, etc etc. My main reason for saying this is that it proves that there are people who actually care in Lucasfilm who aren't just morons.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

#FakeFan

[@joeymobb8438]

Tsk tsk, those weren’t Protodekas, they were Scorpenek Annihilator droids.

[@tk-6967]

@@joeymobb8438 Shit.... my mistake. Always get the names mixed up since I associate the Scorpenek more with Droidekas.

[@tk-6967]

@@BrandontheAwesome Great counterargument hypocrite. You want the EU to return yet you criticise the people at Lucasfilm who appreciate the EU and are literally the only people in any position where they could bring it back.

[@BrandontheAwesome]

@@tk-6967 Dude, this was four months ago! Also, there is nobody at Lucasfilm that appreciate the EU, not anymore.

[@Kenshinxxx0019]

Miss Before Disney Star Wars 🥺

[@SolurVoludun]

Even before Filoni