10 Controversial Comic Book Couples Fans Hated

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@Shantosh9550
@Shantosh9550 6 жыл бұрын
I don't remember anyone hated Spidey and Black Cat. I actually really like the pairing even though I prefer MJ. Spidey and Mockingbird or Carlie Cooper are probably more hated.
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
Shantosh Rajendren yeah i honestly would support the idea of him and BC becoming a real thing though if MJ ends up dying from being kidnapped by one of his villains. I like mj, but I honestly love BC more than Mj and find her to be a much better match
@michaelm5542
@michaelm5542 6 жыл бұрын
I don't think they liked her in the day, whilst a lot of fans were polarized by her "friends with benefits" relationship with Peter in 2009 - some liked it, some didn't. But both characters are generally well-loved with the right writer, and whilst Mockingbird was tepid (well-written and supported at times, but meh), Cooper was never supported by anyone. Not on any fan site.
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
JAMES WE'RE GOING TO BE KILLED I still do see a high fanbase for the character though, and I find her to be a much better match for her if they gave her more development like they did with Rogue and Gambit as well recently. And if done correctly and written well, I think it would be really good Still hoping she shows up in the MCU once Venom fails and Sony sells the rights back to Marvel, or Sony cancels the black cat movie and let Marvel use her instead. Which is what I find a lot of people on reddit and other talkative websites want, since they work well together
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
JAMES WE'RE GOING TO BE KILLED I still hate the fact that they let Kevin Smith retcon her origin and add her getting raped in college. And everyone was complaining about it, but they didn't even bother to fix it at all. So fucking stupid imo
@michaelm5542
@michaelm5542 6 жыл бұрын
@@skylerk2516 I find MJ to be a better match story-wise, the guy obsessed with crime fighting fully takes on the persona of a retired man. But with BC I can see it being the one to take up the mantle of a fully grown adult alongside Peter. If written well, of course (flippin Slott and his crime boss shenanigans). As for Kevin James' writing I honestly didn't see the problem with it - I don't think it fit with the character in the day, being so flirtatious with Spidey not long after she had been raped, but I thought her character was well-written in that particular storyline, logic aside.
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache
@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 6 жыл бұрын
Superman and Wonder Woman, where the sex is great but they can't talk about anything besides work.
@azraiel1984
@azraiel1984 6 жыл бұрын
Just Some Guy with a Mustache same as Superman and Lois Lane?
@victorguerra9778
@victorguerra9778 6 жыл бұрын
how are you everywhere
@a.g.m9078
@a.g.m9078 6 жыл бұрын
I find you almost everywhere, good tastes though
@SpiralSine6
@SpiralSine6 6 жыл бұрын
But hey, at least with Frank Miller behind the wheel they can have thunderous sky sex.
@Rob_Watch
@Rob_Watch 6 жыл бұрын
Right probably the first time superman was able to just pound it out!
@manicwebb
@manicwebb 6 жыл бұрын
Scott Summers & Emma Frost's pairing is made much worse when you remember that Emma was the one who turned Jean & the Phoenix into the Dark Phoenix. He slept with the woman who drove his wife insane and turned her evil.
@Eisenwulf666
@Eisenwulf666 4 жыл бұрын
But the sex must be REALLY great , no doubt in my mind
@rodrigobueno8652
@rodrigobueno8652 3 жыл бұрын
I think the worst is remembering Emma was Scott Analyst and is abused her position and the vulnerable state scott
@reedoka-maclaren2313
@reedoka-maclaren2313 6 жыл бұрын
Harley and Joker are a fucked up toxic relationship But that’s sortof the point
@dubbmoon
@dubbmoon 6 жыл бұрын
Reed Oka-MacLaren that's so true the problem now is that people are too sensitive so they can't go edgey
@rhonab6698
@rhonab6698 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's the point but the problem is so many people (mostly teen girls) look at Joker/Harley and genuinely call it "relationship goals" and romanticise it. I enjoy it as a dynamic that showed multiple facets of the Joker's depravity and made Harley who she is, but there's a reason DC have been distancing themselves from it since the New 52 onwards - people were misinterpreting it as a Bonnie and Clyde "villains in love" story rather than the fact it was supposed to be an abusive and toxic relationship
@reedoka-maclaren2313
@reedoka-maclaren2313 6 жыл бұрын
Rhona Blackwood I hate it when consumers are too dumb to understand something and the product suffers as a result
@Trevr609
@Trevr609 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the ivy relationship seems misguided and people should see an abusive relationship so that when the may find theirselves in one that know when to get out of it
@Ninj-Nugz
@Ninj-Nugz 6 жыл бұрын
Reed Oka-MacLaren Reasons why I didn’t like suicide squad as much as I would’ve. Now everyone who didn’t know Joker and Harley Quinn, now all think that “they’re the perfect couple” Their relationship is supposed to be messed up. Joker just used her to get out of the asylum and also as a human shield. Their relationship is important because it’s what shapes Harley into what she is now.
@smjaiteh
@smjaiteh 6 жыл бұрын
What *NOT* to do when writing a comic book romance: 1. Pick the pair before writing the story 2. Pick nonsense couples for shock value 3. Kill a woman 4. Continue when the relationship is abusive
@M1ckTheMan
@M1ckTheMan 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with all but number one, as honestly that's how every couple in the history of fiction gets together through the writing process.
@atticusv668
@atticusv668 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with the first two, but not the third one. Killing a female character in a comic book for shock value? Yeah, that's bad. But killing a female character overall wouldn't be a problem if the comic was about, say, prejudice against women or a war where all of humanity is at stake.
@syahaz7088
@syahaz7088 6 жыл бұрын
@@M1ckTheMan agree
@xboxonegrenade1812
@xboxonegrenade1812 6 жыл бұрын
Unless Your Gwen Stacy
@freshavocado4755
@freshavocado4755 6 жыл бұрын
BroSpeak he’s saying like just write the characters how u think they would act and I guess make it more organic when u pair them but I mean that’s fucken retarded how the hell are u supppse to start the relationship if u don’t know who gonne be with who😂😂
@DarkwyndPT
@DarkwyndPT 6 жыл бұрын
Is incredibly cringey as hell having Babs sleeping with her ex's adopted father (Batman) in the Killing Joke animation adaptation (which NEVER occurred in the original comic), but now his adopted little brother too? Come on! And Tim is actually the second youngest after the intro of Damien.
@darkstardarin
@darkstardarin 6 жыл бұрын
He meant in the Arkhamverse, Damian isn't a factor here.
@merchantfan
@merchantfan 6 жыл бұрын
Tim looked way too old in that game. Also, come on, Stephanie Brown is his classic love interest!
@veen-a2092
@veen-a2092 6 жыл бұрын
she sleps with everyone lol
@DaMonkas556
@DaMonkas556 6 жыл бұрын
It did happen in the animated series universe in a continuation comic.
@spice1356
@spice1356 6 жыл бұрын
Bruce isn't Bab's adopted father, she already has a real one and he's alive
@anxiousbookworm1769
@anxiousbookworm1769 5 жыл бұрын
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch... why? Why? WHY?!
@jimr.5074
@jimr.5074 4 жыл бұрын
ΟΝΕ word Incest
@JuliaKeyoto
@JuliaKeyoto 4 жыл бұрын
Jim R. Another: ultimate universe
@gay_ancom_bastard2140
@gay_ancom_bastard2140 4 жыл бұрын
Sweet home Alabama
@olumusitafa6503
@olumusitafa6503 4 жыл бұрын
the writers at the time were inspired by anime, especial Irregular Highschool, a good anime to watch btw
@Slapstick_Editz
@Slapstick_Editz 3 жыл бұрын
got a problem
@Adrian21
@Adrian21 6 жыл бұрын
Bruce Wayne and Barbara Gordon......terrible!
@damonika09
@damonika09 6 жыл бұрын
Adrian21 A couple that never should exist. Ever!
@ellieluna9494
@ellieluna9494 6 жыл бұрын
So out of character
@Mockingjay1764
@Mockingjay1764 6 жыл бұрын
*Cough* No one liked the beginning of Killing Joke Movie *cough*
@xo0o0
@xo0o0 6 жыл бұрын
Never agreed more!
@sayurigalindo2537
@sayurigalindo2537 6 жыл бұрын
Yea it's just terrible I like Bruce with Selina better
@chrisjimenez2192
@chrisjimenez2192 6 жыл бұрын
*In an alternate universe, Earth 31, Diana & Clark had a daughter, Lara Kent. She became the new Supergirl & had both all Kryptonian & Amazonian powers* _Just a little random interesting fact I felt like sharing lol_
@deadpoolrockz6410
@deadpoolrockz6410 6 жыл бұрын
Excluding the Dark Knight Returns Graphic Novel, the other works for that universe suck. All Star Batman and Dark Knight Strike Again and Dark Knight III: Master Race
@nhagan001
@nhagan001 6 жыл бұрын
going to be a nit picky, but does Diana have any powers that are unique compared to Superman? I wouldn't consider her armor or lasso unique since Superman could just as easily use them as well.
@chrisjimenez2192
@chrisjimenez2192 6 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Hagan To my knowledge Superman & Wonder Woman share the following super powers: Strength Stamina Speed Flight Invulnerability Rapid healing factor & ability to jump high However I do think she's either immortal or ages very slowly which I know for a fact Superman has, slow aging I believe Clark is stronger in all those abilities tho (except for maybe the slow aging lol)
@azraiel1984
@azraiel1984 6 жыл бұрын
Nathaniel Hagan Wonder Woman has a presence that compels all soldiers to bow to her because she is the goddess of War. She actually really hates that
@chrisjimenez2192
@chrisjimenez2192 6 жыл бұрын
gsam84 tmcap Lmao 😂 Is that actually true or you just saying that?
@tonywoods6916
@tonywoods6916 6 жыл бұрын
What? No Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn?
@thejimg
@thejimg 6 жыл бұрын
That only (thankfully) played out in flashbacks...
@TheMajenga
@TheMajenga 6 жыл бұрын
Right? Gwen Stacy and Norman Osbourne is far worse than all the couples in this list. And pretty much the worst comic I ever read.
@YinYang175
@YinYang175 6 жыл бұрын
That pairing still horrifies me. I mean, Norman’s O face. But why didn’t it make this list?
@TheMajenga
@TheMajenga 6 жыл бұрын
Good question. I agree that most couples of this list are bad and shouldn't exist at all, but Gwen and Norman it's an absolute shit.
@iiirdvii840
@iiirdvii840 6 жыл бұрын
It was a one stand.
@2muchwit
@2muchwit 6 жыл бұрын
Black widow and hulk is just weird.
@darnellharris2886
@darnellharris2886 6 жыл бұрын
So is scarlet witch n vision ha smh 2 bad bitches wit freaks 😀
@ExplorersJournal
@ExplorersJournal 5 жыл бұрын
Naah There are many fans of that couple including me they share a dark past
@razorfett147
@razorfett147 5 жыл бұрын
@@ExplorersJournal umm...how so? She was a trained assassin. He was a scientist that befell an unfortunate accident. They literally share no commonality
@ExplorersJournal
@ExplorersJournal 5 жыл бұрын
@@razorfett147 well If somebody is bankrupt and someone's Friend dies both are different but they are dark and People who are both suffering somehow gives each other company Speaking of Relationship couples always doesn't have to have everything common perfect example is Batman and Catwoman they are so different yet they love eachother
@MrAmhara
@MrAmhara 5 жыл бұрын
Not Hulk. Bruce.
@levonneevans5557
@levonneevans5557 6 жыл бұрын
Idk man I feel like miss marvel got it the worst...
@robertfancyman3873
@robertfancyman3873 6 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, people seem to slowly be accepting that Joker and Harley is a terrible relationship. It might be cause of all the Harley x Ivy porn....
@DarkwyndPT
@DarkwyndPT 6 жыл бұрын
Also, because Harley overcoming a toxic relationship is good storytelling.
@MrDjdecks
@MrDjdecks 6 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting relationship to watch but it's not a healthy relationship.
@da1king0fwakanda56
@da1king0fwakanda56 6 жыл бұрын
Yea, it was annoying, everyone was talking about how much he loved her & what not, and they based most of it off of Suicide Squad, which wasn’t really the most accurate representation of their relationship.
@denniscleary7580
@denniscleary7580 6 жыл бұрын
What do you mean I think what they have is true love......😁😄😂
@nhagan001
@nhagan001 6 жыл бұрын
>.> "toxic relationship" going from a guy that is abusive... To a woman that can use poison... lesbian toxicity?
@MikeJones-eh4zv
@MikeJones-eh4zv 6 жыл бұрын
Spidey and Black Cat was a great couple. Those two have SOOOOO many unresolved issues
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
Mike Thomas-Jones yeah I love her more than mj tbh. No hate, but I found her to have more chemistry tbh
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
Kind Karma yeah I remember that happened very recently actually. Which issue was that? I might want to read it lol. So is she like a hero now and not a criminal anymore? If so, then that'd be some good character development for her
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
Kind Karma ok will do. Still ship the hell outta the two
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
Kind Karma I mean kinda, but I don't judge so don't worry. I'd rather have Rogue be married to Gambit currently (which thankfully is the case), but IDK who x23 is usually paired with. Either way, I find BC a better love interest for Peter if they give her more development like they did here. MJ is fine and all, but she's kinda plain tbh. And don't get me started on how many people argue at me when I say this lol
@edsonsengo2684
@edsonsengo2684 6 жыл бұрын
@Kind Karma What comic issue is that?
@obioraobi
@obioraobi 6 жыл бұрын
meanwhile, almost everybody is somebody sloppy seconds
@cristiancarrasco1682
@cristiancarrasco1682 6 жыл бұрын
Cain Marko isnt Professor X's cousin. He is his step-brother.
@CulturePhilter
@CulturePhilter 6 жыл бұрын
Cristian Carrasco - that’s what I thought. Was wondering if maybe it had been retconed at some point.
@DeetsterB
@DeetsterB 6 жыл бұрын
Philip Hawkins so was I.
@DocSwood
@DocSwood 6 жыл бұрын
Yes and No, in the main continuity yes they're step brothers, but the one the Shulkie stuff happens is another one, where Marko is a mutant and Charles cousin... or something, been ages since I read it so it's a Ben Kenobi "What they said is true... from a certain point of view." ;)
@s.waldron8532
@s.waldron8532 6 жыл бұрын
Step brother, or half brother? There's a difference
@maxedout199
@maxedout199 6 жыл бұрын
Its cause this channel doesn't study up
@angrybrony
@angrybrony 6 жыл бұрын
nightwing and starfire are a way better couple. ui have no clue why DC aren't letting them be together.
@BowlingForGazpacho
@BowlingForGazpacho 6 жыл бұрын
angrybrony I've thought about this and while I truly love both women, I think this is why they have moved Dick on from Kory. While they loved each other deeply and were pivotal in one another's growth from youth, at the time of their separation, it felt like there was very little else they could offer each other. Initially it was a relationship of equals that managed to challenge gender roles, fear of commitment, sexual discovery, and self-love, and they truly found themselves. So maybe that was the point, and where it can beautifully end. Not all good things are meant to last and while other relationships and lovers may come into the mix, it's a point of symmetry that Dick ends up with Barbara. She was his first crush (before N52 anyway) and challenges Dick to grow up and become who he was destined, while Starfire allows him to exist in the limbo between adolescence and adulthood. Additionally, Starfire has been on her own and in different team ups in recent years and it seems like they really have grown too far apart to be out back together without some serious changes.
@angrybrony
@angrybrony 6 жыл бұрын
except before the reboot we see their future daughter so clearly they had somewhere to go in their and the after the reboot they haven't let them be on a team (except for those midocar N52 animated titans movies were they were together that may as while be damien the movie but lets stay on topic), besides we saw babs and dick have a relationship (even a kid) on earth 2 so why can't we see kory and dick have some time to get together. beside babs and dick boring af.
@BowlingForGazpacho
@BowlingForGazpacho 6 жыл бұрын
angrybrony I'm not saying we shouldn't ever have Starfire and Dick together, I loved their approx. 20 year run and would love to see more of them in AU's or different mediums, but where their respective stories currently are in continuity and given the fact that it seems they're beyond their first love phase of their lives, realistically it just doesn't seem probable within the mainstream right now. But if the PS4 Arkham VR was a one-shot outside of the games' continuity, maybe they'll be together in the next rumored Arkham game, who knows? Also I personally disagree about Dick and Babs being boring, but I won't argue your right to your opinion.
@moonredfeatures
@moonredfeatures 6 жыл бұрын
It all had alot to do with the bat office meddling in the comics. Besides nightwing and starfire married had a son jake Grayson recently in the nightwing new order series. Starfire will aways be nightwing's love interest. It's only different in the comics because nightwing as a solo series with the bat brand and starfire is too much of a cosmic character to fit in batman's world.
@angrybrony
@angrybrony 6 жыл бұрын
how recent we talkin' here?
@DarkwyndPT
@DarkwyndPT 6 жыл бұрын
Between Avengers 200 and Civil War II, it looks like some writers at Marvel don't like Carol Danvers much. I just hope Brie Larsen kills it and uplifts the character to the heights she deserves.
@Perfect7en
@Perfect7en 6 жыл бұрын
Well, that happened with Iron Man. Hopefully the same can happen with Carol.
@PunkRJH90
@PunkRJH90 6 жыл бұрын
Claremont was probably the only one who really cared, without her we wouldn't have the Rogue we think of. And I liked the Brood Saga when she became Binary. Everyone else it seems doesn't know how to write Carol well.
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 6 жыл бұрын
Marco Rocha One major exception on the writer front: Kurt Busiek. He used his parallel runs on Avengers and Iron Man to redeem Carol of much of the awfulness inflicted on her.
@patoren3gou653
@patoren3gou653 6 жыл бұрын
brie Larson is reading the current captian marvel series and is arguably the most mysandric person alive (who isn't Mags Divassio) that's all you need to know
@johnathonhaney8291
@johnathonhaney8291 6 жыл бұрын
ToQ 3gou Actually, no I don't. I need to see how everyone else involved handles the material by, you know, WATCHING THE FUCKING MOVIE. Crawl back under your rock, edgelord.
@JustAFox47
@JustAFox47 6 жыл бұрын
Wait, Ivy and Harley are dating? Cool! Glad they found happiness together! Also glad Harley managed to leave Joker, too!
@Never_heart
@Never_heart 6 жыл бұрын
With the way that Barbara and Bruce were made a couple later in their lifes in the way it was presented in Batman Beyond. It was a short fling when they both were single and needed companionship. That being said fuck the way relationship as it was presented in The Killing Joke movie. It was lazy, forced and incredibly awkward.
@amykarr6163
@amykarr6163 5 жыл бұрын
no dude. it was equally bad in beyond and killing joke
@atthecore4560
@atthecore4560 5 жыл бұрын
Neverheart Super agreed!
@ddy7323
@ddy7323 5 жыл бұрын
@@amykarr6163 that's because of Bruce timm obsession with this pairing.
@TheValeyard92
@TheValeyard92 6 жыл бұрын
Spider-Man and Carlie Cooper should have been on this list instead of Spider-Man and Black Cat. Whilst it may not work, per se, I can't think of anyone who actually hates the Spidey/Felicia ship.
@trans8010
@trans8010 6 жыл бұрын
Fans hated it back in the day, and is one of the reasons why their break up happened in Spectacular Spider-Man 100. They are kind to it now, because the next generation of readers have picked up those books with a fresh look and have praised the coupling. It should also be said that fans wanted MJ gone from the books in the 1970's, that coupling those two was ruining the dynamic she had as the independent bird she was in the 1960's, and because Marvel wanted her gone as well there ended that relationship.
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
Trans8010 wait really?
@trans8010
@trans8010 6 жыл бұрын
Yes. They were against the Wedding of MJ and Peter, and it wasn't until AFTER JMS was on the title and completely rewrote the dynamic of that coupling that fans readily accepted it, which is why OMD made a bigger sting.
@CloakofAuron
@CloakofAuron 6 жыл бұрын
For the Spidey and Black Cat pairing....I dunno, I honestly think that the Peter/Spidey and Mary Jane shippers/couplers are too spoiled and catered to. With Spidey and Black Cat, the dynamic is a lot more like Batman and Catwoman than that disastrous and nonsensical Supes and WW pairing. Spidey and Black Cat do have actualy chemistry, chemistry that was never forced, and was given years to develop over the course of the comics. At this point, I'd argue that Spidey and Black Cat is almost as much of a viable pairing as Spidey and Mary Jane. In certain respects, it's even better, because the former pairing actually affords a romantic relationship mixed with being partners in crimefighting. There's a lot of potential there that has been barely tapped due to certain thick-headed fans saying 'NO, PETER'S MEANT TO BE WITH MARY JANE, END OF STORY, THAT'S HOW IT'S GOTTA BE, FUCK YOU FOR THINKING OTHERWISE.' I'd be fine if Marvel writers did a one-off exploring this and culminating in that one-off having Felicia and Peter marrying, but I really think there's something worth going into with this pairing.
@michaelm5542
@michaelm5542 6 жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, they did a one-off "What if Spider-Man and Black Cat got married, which shows it briefly, nothing major. But yeah, I dislike some fans, especially on Spider-Man Crawlspace, who are so adamant they reject anyone else's opinions, especially when it comes to Black Cat being the love interest, just because she isn't MJ (they like her as a character).
@marialuke2116
@marialuke2116 6 жыл бұрын
I mean, there's an alternate universe where their the main pair, granted the relationship in that universe is messy and I think perma-damaged right now? It was the Spiderman Noir universe.
@lol-ur9ek
@lol-ur9ek 6 жыл бұрын
I think that Spider-Man and black cat is Just to much Like a copy of batman and cat woman
@marialuke2116
@marialuke2116 6 жыл бұрын
@@lol-ur9ek Well, if Batman was an awkward smartmouth sure.
@darkreaper9205
@darkreaper9205 6 жыл бұрын
CloakofAuron catwoman is villainous
@blackphoenix77
@blackphoenix77 6 жыл бұрын
Hank Pym is mentally ill and was quite literally experiencing a nervous breakdown when he hit the Wasp, something everyone constantly downplays. He has since sought treatment and therapy for his condition, which is, again, always ignored.
@jbcatz5
@jbcatz5 6 жыл бұрын
In Secret Empire he chews out the likes of Iron Man for doing things as bad as him, but never gaining the infamy like he got for his domestic abuse.
@abhirupb316
@abhirupb316 6 жыл бұрын
When we read more into it, Hank is more of a tragic character than most others
@l0sts0ul89
@l0sts0ul89 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@s.p.d.magentaranger1822
@s.p.d.magentaranger1822 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!! I always get ticked when people forget that.
@kellyb5167
@kellyb5167 6 жыл бұрын
Black Panther and Storm. It was rushed to put them together after years of not seeing each other. Then they changed the origins to make Black Panther save Storm, instead of the other way around. You have to do better than the fact they are both Black.
@terra1319
@terra1319 6 жыл бұрын
Kelly Boyce that’s my only problem with their relationship was the needless change in the origin of Storm & Black Panther
@markdasaro9045
@markdasaro9045 6 жыл бұрын
I prefer Storm with Wolverine
@allysonchen4286
@allysonchen4286 5 жыл бұрын
@@markdasaro9045 me too
@cmorris9494
@cmorris9494 5 жыл бұрын
I liked forge with storm
@MrAmhara
@MrAmhara 5 жыл бұрын
Your goofy. Black Panther and Storm was a great couple.
@scotteggleston7134
@scotteggleston7134 6 жыл бұрын
Oh give me a goddamn break. Scott Lang only usurped Hank Pym as the more popular Ant-man because they went with him for the goddamn movie. Don't get me wrong, I like them both. But when i think Ant-man, it will ALWAYS be Hank Pym.
@UncleHyena
@UncleHyena 6 жыл бұрын
same here m8!!
@prehensilelung1751
@prehensilelung1751 6 жыл бұрын
To me Hank Pym will always be the best Ant-man. The rest are just poor substitutes.
@aurasosa7368
@aurasosa7368 6 жыл бұрын
Yasssss
@NAJ_P_Jackson
@NAJ_P_Jackson 6 жыл бұрын
@@prehensilelung1751 Didn't he abuse his wife tho.
@l0sts0ul89
@l0sts0ul89 5 жыл бұрын
@@NAJ_P_Jackson He was have a mental breakdown
@fireteardrops
@fireteardrops 6 жыл бұрын
I always liked the Superman and Wonder Woman's relationship. I hate that it wasn't so well-received.
@Bilal-lp1zb
@Bilal-lp1zb 6 жыл бұрын
I HATED Superman and Wonderwoman it just didn't work but funny enough I like Batman and Wonderwoman
@dubbmoon
@dubbmoon 6 жыл бұрын
Bilal but they never dated
@rascoehunter3608
@rascoehunter3608 6 жыл бұрын
It seems like DC forgot about it. They were together for the first few volumes but then dropped by the end.
@Quyzbuk86
@Quyzbuk86 6 жыл бұрын
Bilal Guessing you're a fan of how the Justice League & Unlimited cartoons portrayed their chemistry. I enjoyed that too.
@ferd617
@ferd617 6 жыл бұрын
Batman - Catwoman has had its moments, too. I mean, the record-scratch scene when Alfred tells all the Robins, alone... even Ace the Batdog looked shocked!
@bluecanine3374
@bluecanine3374 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the Justice League cartoon had them share some cute moments, but I wouldn't like it in the comics too well. Their comic book counterparts, new 52 and rebirth both, don't seem lile they would mesh well on paper
@carrastealth
@carrastealth 6 жыл бұрын
People didn't like Joker/Harley because they thought it was a relationship to aspire to. Well most of them that weren't going for memes. I think they understood full well what it entailed. It was the dynamic and their chemistry of both the characters more so than "oh I want THAT in a relationship." If you think the relationship is popular because people think it's "endearing" then you haven't been paying attention.
@damonika09
@damonika09 6 жыл бұрын
Ugh that Batman Beyond comic was just straight WRONG! It made all the characters out of character! 😪
@patoren3gou653
@patoren3gou653 6 жыл бұрын
thank god Kyle Higgins is in a much better place with the MMPR comic
@lolosmith8340
@lolosmith8340 6 жыл бұрын
Beyond 2.0 is not a canon comic. It's a DCAU tie-in comic. Kyle even said it just another season of DCAU's Beyond, but in comic form. When DC Comics made Terry and Beyond canon, it did not include Beyond 2.0. So, there is Beyond 1.0 DCAU (WB produced), Beyond 2.0 DCAU comic tie-in (WB produced), and the Beyond (DC Comics produced). And when DC Comics made Beyond canon, they took out the Babs and Bruce romantic/sexual angle. It did not happen, and DC Comics does not recognize them ever being together.
@damonika09
@damonika09 6 жыл бұрын
Lolo Smith I know it’s non canon. I watched Batman Beyond as a kid. Still doesn’t change my mind about this coupling.
@lolosmith8340
@lolosmith8340 6 жыл бұрын
1. I was not trying to change your or anyone else's mind. A fact is still a fact whether one acknowledges it or not. I don't care if I change people's minds. I solely present facts, and what people do with them is up to them. 2. I never disagreed with your opinion to begin with, so I don't understand your comment. And nor I did not express my opinion of Beyond or Bruce and Barbara. But, okay!
@MrGylanThomas
@MrGylanThomas 6 жыл бұрын
"Nadia Pym is the more reputable hero to come from that family"? She's only just arrived :P
@d-brothers3112
@d-brothers3112 6 жыл бұрын
Superman and Wonder Woman? Dc really based their stories on fan art? "Well, they both wear red and blue, so obviously they're perfect for each other."
@neilcognito
@neilcognito 6 жыл бұрын
D-Brothers Entertainment then again, Superman and Louis are so perfect, I want to take a perfect rose, fill a perfect bucket with perfect shapes stones, and hang it around their perfect necks. Am I the only one who finds their relationship, so 1 and done and boring? Then again, hate superhero anything, so I should shut my hypocritical crap. Batman and Wonder woman is probably the most dynamic relation though.
@ImTheMan0fSteel
@ImTheMan0fSteel 6 жыл бұрын
D-Brothers Entertainment they are both gods among men and can actual fuck without Superman worrying about killing her so it’s not that far fetched lol.
@albertbecerra
@albertbecerra 6 жыл бұрын
@@neilcognito dude she would snap him in half, stick to selina.
@morganyoung3557
@morganyoung3557 6 жыл бұрын
D-Brothers Entertainment that and if you have noticed in your comment section immature people who think that both Clark and Diana who have complete control of everyday actions so they don’t destroy everything would hurt anyone they had sex with that is not each other. DC Rebirth has proven them wrong since Clark is married to Lois and they have a son while Diana is in a very committed relationship with Steve right now and they have had sex a bit in the comics, neither Steve or Lois look very hurt to me.
@karenstarr
@karenstarr 6 жыл бұрын
Frank Miller also put Clark and Diana together.
@diegocondeherreros4152
@diegocondeherreros4152 6 жыл бұрын
Where is the Norman Osborn and Gwen Stacy affair?
@michaelm5542
@michaelm5542 6 жыл бұрын
We don't... we don't talk about that. GWEN WAS HYPNOTIZED! THAT'S IT!
@obi-wan176
@obi-wan176 6 жыл бұрын
That Never happend IT never happend let's forget it did
@marks2807
@marks2807 6 жыл бұрын
As dysfunctional a couple Joker, and Harley are they are not a couple fans hate.
@lol-ur9ek
@lol-ur9ek 6 жыл бұрын
Ikr I love Harley and Joker and yes I know how bad he is to har
@7thlittleleopard7
@7thlittleleopard7 6 жыл бұрын
As a fan, I hate. Harley deserves much better than that toad.
@helpfulgamer1274
@helpfulgamer1274 5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I ship Deadpool x Harley Quinn
@CommanderM117
@CommanderM117 5 жыл бұрын
yea there not good together however as a team there mostly good and fan are aware of how bad it is but that 1 of the reason they need to stay together it an iconic couple of Crazy and a dangerous one at that that why harley goes to ivy soo often they understand each other and ivy is there for her but she keeps going back. also it going to be a long time before the film show the other side of there relationship with ivy as most film version are bad but harley was not just leto
@TallWartortle
@TallWartortle 5 жыл бұрын
only edge lords who dont actually see the couple and only see posters of them support that couple. if you support harley getting belittled and beaten for no reason at all by all means bruh.
@kisubags437
@kisubags437 6 жыл бұрын
As bad as the Joker is to Harley they are a crazy popular couple. The title said fans hated....
@FelisDestructicus
@FelisDestructicus 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I just blocked this channel for that bit of stupidity.
@dmpbabe
@dmpbabe 6 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@morganyoung3557
@morganyoung3557 6 жыл бұрын
Kisu Bags I would say 50/50 on how many fans love or hate that couple. I think their relationship is a good way to introduce Harley Quinn, but it should never be a long term thing.
@lol-ur9ek
@lol-ur9ek 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah No one Hate's that Crazy couple we all Liked it
@lol-ur9ek
@lol-ur9ek 6 жыл бұрын
@@foul-is-alive73 same
@andreshipp1134
@andreshipp1134 6 жыл бұрын
I like Superman and Wonder Woman. The stories will be very different from with Lois. WW and Sup will be equals. There is no Lois looking up to Sup or he have to save her. I believe the whole Lois thing is old and dried up now. WW will save Sup as much as he would her. Beside, what would their kids be like?? :)
@Shastasnow
@Shastasnow 5 жыл бұрын
For some reason, I don't mind Superman and Wonder Woman. The look was too convenient though. Lois is so old school though so I don't mind the classic relationship either. I am weird though xD Though I agree with your logic too. Lois is such a weakness to Superman at times as she is human and is always busy with work.
@roserose109
@roserose109 3 жыл бұрын
you're unhinged
@owenubelhor6647
@owenubelhor6647 6 жыл бұрын
I like the joker Harley relationship. First because it shows how evil the joker is, and second it makes Harley that much more of a complex character. She starts off as one of those women we all hear about staying with an abusive piece of shit, but then she becomes a stronger person, escapes that monster she's with, finds a new life and a new love outside of it, and then occasionally beats the crap outta the joker.
@TevyaSmolka
@TevyaSmolka 6 жыл бұрын
Thank god superman and Wonder Woman relationship been retcon out of existence thanks to dc rebirth
@thedoctor3528
@thedoctor3528 6 жыл бұрын
Tevya Smolka i was confused af when i first saw it
@azraiel1984
@azraiel1984 6 жыл бұрын
Tevya Smolka I think they make sense together.
@damonika09
@damonika09 6 жыл бұрын
gsam84 tmcap I think they’re boring and cliché
@s-boy4613
@s-boy4613 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah. now he's back with the most pointless character in existence. Lois Lane :)))
@azraiel1984
@azraiel1984 6 жыл бұрын
damonika09 How?
@br.d8956
@br.d8956 6 жыл бұрын
Scott and Emma is not really Scott's bad to begin with. Jesus Christ, X-Men. You almost need a degree to keep up with your bull-ships. Uh, Jean put a whammy on Scott so he ended up with Emma after she "died." She did it to prevent the shit future broken timeline of "Here Comes Tomorrow" from ever taking place, and she did THAT on instruction from the other wielders of the phoenix force in the "white-hot room." If you REALLY wanted to slander Scott properly you should have gone with the whole Madelyne Pryor arc, where he leaves his new wife and baby to run back to Jean. Mastermind made him fall in love with Madelyne in the first place... it's still a shit thing to do. (It was editorial mandate, but still.)
@RockerMicke1
@RockerMicke1 6 жыл бұрын
and this is why i stop rating current x men comics thanks for killing my hero marvel
@novaphonix8284
@novaphonix8284 6 жыл бұрын
I loved Superman and Wonder Woman together, it could be written to be a great love story in the comics with right writer. I liked seeing their relationship develop in the animated Justice league movies War and the others. It showed that their relationship could be tender and it gave them both a since of normalcy. I equal love Spiderman and Black Cat relationship, it just needs to be developed and written to be interesting. I hope people open up to Superman having another lasting relationship other than Lois Lane, it's played out. If Fans open up their minds and hearts to the idea , Wonder Woman and Superman can have a strong and well developed relationship, that brings about interesting stories for fans to enjoy. I believe that in the future people will want someone other than Lois Lane.
@hydeseaick2587
@hydeseaick2587 5 жыл бұрын
No. Just showed that Stuperwonder is superficial.
@jonnyBB3B
@jonnyBB3B 6 жыл бұрын
Dude spidey and black cat wtf?! Don't knock that!!
@brianbrush5107
@brianbrush5107 6 жыл бұрын
Now they should do a top 10 controversial comic couples fans loved.
@antarahazarika9414
@antarahazarika9414 6 жыл бұрын
I love Superman and Wonder Woman together.
@scottycameron5937
@scottycameron5937 6 жыл бұрын
I actually liked Superman and Wonder Woman's relationship, I thought Clark and Dianna had more chemistry than a Damsel in distress.
@ChaoticButterfly
@ChaoticButterfly 5 жыл бұрын
@Can't Think Of A Name Actually, she was initially intended to be his _partner, and_ his love interest. Shuster and Siegel were going to have Lois find out that Clark was Superman pretty early on, then help him fight crime, in a sense (but editorial meddling). So, no, that's not really all she ever was. In fact, she has had instances where she has saved herself and others, too.
@azozazoz2131
@azozazoz2131 6 жыл бұрын
I'm almost feel sorry for Wonder Woman I mean Superman is belonged to Lois Lane and Batman is belonged to Catwoman, there's no damn reason these two should go date with Diana, they're her dearest friend!
@rhonab6698
@rhonab6698 6 жыл бұрын
I think it's because Diana has no "iconic" love interest other than Steve Trevor who in multiple continuities was dead at some point, so any time she spends a significant amount of time around a man people (including a lot of DCs writers) assume she must be attracted to them and them to her. It won't ever happen long term because Lois and Selina are the most popular love interests for Clark and Bruce respectively by a mile, but even after the WW movie Steve Trevor doesn't have the same pop culture clout as Lois Lane or Catwoman so they'll continue to do crappy teases with Bruce/Diana and Clark/Diana to cause tension/drama (I mean they did it literally last month in the current Batman run where he's engaged to Catwoman)
@KuzinPennywise711
@KuzinPennywise711 6 жыл бұрын
Azoz Azoz At the time the Batman x Wonder Woman romance was being played with Catwoman and Batman had a very toxic on and off again relationship. WWxBB was just downright better. They've since made the Catwoman relationship better and I'm glad they're getting hitched.
@warailawildrunner5300
@warailawildrunner5300 6 жыл бұрын
There was also a potential relationship with aquaman, although that didn't really get anywhere.. it was just hinted as a 'what if' in some of the comics in the 00s
@laughingman4402
@laughingman4402 6 жыл бұрын
@The Slow Bro Maybe DC should stop killing Steve Trevor. Batman or Superman relationship will not work because all of them have their own franchise and it is very difficult to maintain cross franchise relationship.
@heavensalarzon7067
@heavensalarzon7067 6 жыл бұрын
Sachin T yeah New 52 proved that but then again New 52 are full of crossovers
@davideduardogonzalezbermud3864
@davideduardogonzalezbermud3864 6 жыл бұрын
10 Things DC Wants you to forget about Green Arrow 10 Things Marvel Wants you to forget about Thor 10 Things DC Wants you to forget about Deathstroke 10 Things Marvel Wants you to forget about The Hulk 10 Things DC Wants you to forget about Scarecrow 10 Things Marvel Wants you to forget about Dr. Doom
@victorvondeathstroke
@victorvondeathstroke 6 жыл бұрын
David Eduardo Gonzalez nothing should be forgotten about deathstroke... except for that shit decision for Damian to beat him.
@victorvondeathstroke
@victorvondeathstroke 6 жыл бұрын
David Eduardo Gonzalez and nothing needs to be forgotten about Dr. Doom except for Fan4stic
@davideduardogonzalezbermud3864
@davideduardogonzalezbermud3864 6 жыл бұрын
Victor Von Deathstroke Well, yeah. He is one of if not THE MOST badass and deadly assassin in The DC universe, and probably all of comics as well.
@davideduardogonzalezbermud3864
@davideduardogonzalezbermud3864 6 жыл бұрын
Victor Von Deathstroke And what about the many embarrasing defeats he suffers regulary because of his ego? This guy rules Latveria, has battled both Odin and Galactus, stole The Beyonder's power, depowered Silver Surfer, reprogramed Ultron to serve him, rebuilt The Destroyer armor, used Scarlet Witch's powers to resurrect many dead characters, challenged Mephisto for his mother's soul, stole all the vibranium from Wakanda, obtained TWO infinity gauntlets, battled both Thanos and Onslaught, fought Celestials, and yet he always losses to less powerful opponents simply because his arrogance! Doom is basically a punching bag for the other members of the Marvel Universe, and that's embarrasing enough for Marvel to make us want to forget about that!
@victorvondeathstroke
@victorvondeathstroke 6 жыл бұрын
David Eduardo Gonzalez well doom and deathstroke are villains used to further arcs in other characters. Massively underrated but serve their purposes. There's no better rivalry then deathstroke vs nightwing but yet deathstroke can hold his own against wonder woman. That make no sense but it's what the writers want.
@RocketeerRaccoon
@RocketeerRaccoon 6 жыл бұрын
That's bull$hit, I really like Spider-Man and Black Cat as a couple, it's one of my favourite pairings, I've never actually come across any fans that don't like them together. As for Joker and Harley, I couldn't agree more, it's a really toxic ship that.
@skylerk2516
@skylerk2516 6 жыл бұрын
RocketeerRaccoon yeah surprisingly a lot of people do like BC with peter like mj. They’re both great characters, and BC if she got more development could make her and Pete a great couple as well
@huginnmuninn2155
@huginnmuninn2155 6 жыл бұрын
@asim0092 yeah it always bugs me that people complain it's a toxic relationship - as if Anyone thought otherwise.
@Gagaloopony
@Gagaloopony 6 жыл бұрын
exactly. The point is that it's toxic. It's interesting. And just because you depict a toxic relationship in a story (among villains, no less) that doesn't mean it's condoning real people being in abusive relationships. FYI, you're not supposed to want to be like Joker and Harley. They're criminals.
@zipgow
@zipgow 6 жыл бұрын
Whether or not you approve of their relationship, fans loved the Joker and Harley Quinn so much that she was introduced to the main stream continuity. (This video wasn't titled creepiest relationships, just "Controversial Comic Book Couples Fans Hated.)
@kylewawrzyniak6680
@kylewawrzyniak6680 6 жыл бұрын
think you mean people loved Harley so much, she was introduced to the series; personally I love her far more without the relationship
@zipgow
@zipgow 6 жыл бұрын
But Harley's character is largely centered around her unhealthy obsession with the Joker.
@jp3813
@jp3813 6 жыл бұрын
And people were interested in her rising above just being Joker's punching bag. Great characters evolve.
@zipgow
@zipgow 6 жыл бұрын
Yes, but even as an ex, Joker's relationship with Harley was part of her character. (Ivy can't stand her tendency to dote on him.) Can you think of anyone reading Batman who ever said, "Man, Harley Quinn is great, but why'd they ever think to pair her up with the Joker?" My issue with this entry is the whole "fans hated" part of the title. Harley--however well she works without Joker--was still created to be Joker's girlfriend, and fans didn't hate the relationship. They assumed Joker would treat his girlfriend poorly.
@frankf1616
@frankf1616 4 жыл бұрын
@@jp3813 Too bad all she’s evolved into is a boring dopey airhead. At least her stories were interesting when they featured the Joker.
@sophiawilson8696
@sophiawilson8696 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't hate wonder woman and Superman
@edward_19
@edward_19 6 жыл бұрын
Same, I thought they were great together
@theonlychickensama8353
@theonlychickensama8353 6 жыл бұрын
Same here
@KaneshaAndrews
@KaneshaAndrews 6 жыл бұрын
I feel that same way, I always thought Superman & Wonder Woman were a natural pairing.
@anubhavtigala161
@anubhavtigala161 6 жыл бұрын
I hated it.
@darkwyve
@darkwyve 6 жыл бұрын
I really liked it as well. Probably part of what made me appreciate it initially was the 'Kingdom Come' series, where they got together after Lois had passed, and Wonder Woman was there to comfort him. (Of course I loved just about everything about the Waid/Ross Kingdom Come series.)
@TheBohobemeister
@TheBohobemeister 5 жыл бұрын
All of the ones on this list that I like: Superman x Wonder Woman Spider-Man x Black Cat Ant-Man x Wasp (when it isn't abusive)
@chrisanderson2204
@chrisanderson2204 3 жыл бұрын
Superman and WW just felt forced
@jatarokemuri5443
@jatarokemuri5443 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisanderson2204 yeah, Wonder Woman makes a lot more sense with other people
@Sierlea
@Sierlea 6 жыл бұрын
Scott/Emma is pretty popular in my experience, unlike most of those. Once together, they had real chemistry and played well together. Also aided by the fact many view the Scott/Jean one as well, just the 'generic default relationship.' Heck, the one time he was married wasn't even with Jean, it was with Madelyne Pryor.
@peanutsinspace
@peanutsinspace 6 жыл бұрын
He later married Jean Grey in what was called the 'Wedding of the Century' by Marvel to promote it. They'll be releasing it as a Hard Cover in a month or so.
@kylewawrzyniak6680
@kylewawrzyniak6680 6 жыл бұрын
generic default? There is so much history and chemistry in that relationship in the glory age of X-Men, I personally adore them
@Roomyvegeta1
@Roomyvegeta1 5 жыл бұрын
I actually didn't mind Clark and Diana.... Many say it goes against her character but I actually like it I feel like it's a true power couple.
@2004mojo
@2004mojo 6 жыл бұрын
Superman & Wonder Woman also had a relationship way back when in the pages of 'Kingdom Come'.
@micshork
@micshork 6 жыл бұрын
I LOVED Superman and Wonder Woman being together. It makes a lot of sense. Lois Lane is not a very strong character and doesn't offer much anymore. What they did in the Animated Justice League movie with Clark and Diana was Smart and I think that their pairing is a much better one.
@1billsookie
@1billsookie 5 жыл бұрын
I guess I’m an odd duck then, because I love Joker/Harley, Superman/WonderWoman, and the Maximoff Twincest.
@magnox
@magnox 5 жыл бұрын
Clark and Diana power couple is just perfect
@lynchiestlynch5442
@lynchiestlynch5442 3 жыл бұрын
No
@chrisanderson2204
@chrisanderson2204 3 жыл бұрын
Nope,it was just forced and boring
@clayongayle8870
@clayongayle8870 6 жыл бұрын
Am I in that minority that love seeing Kal and Diana together?
@NAJ_P_Jackson
@NAJ_P_Jackson 6 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of SM/WW fans. Don't listen to Megan Todd, she doesn't know shit.
@ChaoticButterfly
@ChaoticButterfly 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty much... it's not an insignificant minority, sadly, but you're in it.
@clayongayle8870
@clayongayle8870 4 жыл бұрын
@@ChaoticButterfly lol
@clayongayle8870
@clayongayle8870 4 жыл бұрын
@Megan Todd I call him Kal because it's his real name. And I think it's a cool name. Plus you knew immediately who I was speaking about, so I'd say that's a plus. And I ain't say nothing much.
@clayongayle8870
@clayongayle8870 4 жыл бұрын
Megan Todd fine. Fair point.
@ZephyrosPhoenix
@ZephyrosPhoenix 5 жыл бұрын
Wonder Woman is the only person capable of carrying Superman's baby. lol
@Bilal-lp1zb
@Bilal-lp1zb 6 жыл бұрын
I HATED Superman and Wonderwoman it just didn't work
@urmom-fr8ij
@urmom-fr8ij 6 жыл бұрын
Bilal ikr it was wrong
@laughingjack85
@laughingjack85 6 жыл бұрын
@sean bowman yes it did. But hey man this is a fandom dominated by a small group of people who don't want anything to change at all. Thats why they threw a fit when Supes wasn't wearing granny panties. Sad thing is that this obstinate need to not change is slowly killing the comic book industry. No new fans and an ever shrinking population of old fans. If things don't change then there won't be any comic industry at all.
@lol-ur9ek
@lol-ur9ek 6 жыл бұрын
We all hate it
@NAJ_P_Jackson
@NAJ_P_Jackson 6 жыл бұрын
@@lol-ur9ek Speak for yourself.
@NAJ_P_Jackson
@NAJ_P_Jackson 6 жыл бұрын
@@laughingjack85 Can't understand why they can't just appeal to both fans. There are plenty of SM/WW fans I know who like the pairing being done in the comics but DC had to be cunts and kill of Superman and rewrite the romance.
@artezjackson3650
@artezjackson3650 6 жыл бұрын
Superior Spider-Man officially broke up The Black Cat relationship
@darlenedowie8561
@darlenedowie8561 6 жыл бұрын
I am sorry to tell you but I loved Superman and Wonder Woman being together ...
@shaneagnew3733
@shaneagnew3733 6 жыл бұрын
I don’t think mr J and HQ should be on this list because the relationship is iconic because of its domestic flaws which only benefited the character building of both characters J showed how twisted he is but also how charming in the wrong way he can be and HQ for how she blindly worships and commits to the relationship. two similar characters that helped flesh out each other with chemistry where as superman and Wonder Woman are too similar and couldn’t build any more character in each other because Steve Trevor and Lois lane already fleshed out that aspect of those characters and that’s why they’re popular. I’m not saying jokers treatment of HQ is humane but it is the fucking joker after all, it’s like that dream sequence in suicide squad where HQ visions her happy ever after with joker, if the joker really was like that then he would be as dull and lifeless as joker from telltale batman or when btas got lazy and redesigned the characters and removed the colour from jokers face and left him with just soulless black eyes to express with
@KZ-wl5by
@KZ-wl5by 6 жыл бұрын
The joker and Harley Quinn couple shouldn't be on this list.
@BlackJackLopez
@BlackJackLopez 6 жыл бұрын
They shouldn't be in the Universe, but I know that's not what you mean. Kidding aside, I liked Mr. J and Harley in the animated series. That was insane and worked perfectly. I do think pretty moronic some fans think it's "ideal" or romantic, the guy is a freaking monster and she's so stupid about it. Dramatic? Sure. Romantic? That's a bit sick.
@zipgow
@zipgow 6 жыл бұрын
I think far less people were pissed off by Wonder Woman and Superman than this video states. Long before the post-Crisis reimagining of Superman, his character was defined by his unwillingness to date a human girl--partially because he didn't want villains to threaten his family, partially because he was too powerful to be compatible with a non-superpowered person. So the question "why wouldn't he marry Wonder Woman?" always floated in discussion amongst fans. That's a huge part of why he starts dating her at the end of Kingdom Come. Fans weren't upset with the concept of those two dating, just the execution in the new 52.
@BlackJackLopez
@BlackJackLopez 6 жыл бұрын
Well first, it seems the idea that Superman evolved from the "angry alien you can't trust" (bad idea), to something closer to what we know, and that's why his relationship with Lois in New 52 was just platonic, clearly intended to change. Yes, before that it was a dramatic resource that Clark and Lois could get physical, but not conceive a child because of their different physiologies. Some writer would have found a way to remedy that if post-Crisis Continuity had remained. Now, as for Kingdom Come, Lois had died when the Joker attacked the Daily Planet, Lana Lang was pretty much out of the picture, and the story leads to Clark and Diana getting together clearly. There was barely anyone else and he had spent the time mourning Lois before he came back, and indeed before Diana herself brought him back. But that doesn't mean they should end up together, and they won't as long as there is a Lois in the Continuity. Let's get real.
@r3n3gad33
@r3n3gad33 6 жыл бұрын
Cyclops and Emma Frost is a better pair than Cyclops and Jean Grey! *FIGHT ME*
@austindevine3883
@austindevine3883 6 жыл бұрын
totally agree they worked way better together than Scott and Jean ever did
@abhirupb316
@abhirupb316 6 жыл бұрын
And Jean should be with Wolverine
@Izzoroth
@Izzoroth 6 жыл бұрын
The only reason I agree with this is because ya Logan should be with Jean. I loved their pairing in Age of Apocalypse.
@gabrieltorres2882
@gabrieltorres2882 6 жыл бұрын
They were more of a complimentary couple than Jean and Scott. They were well balanced. J and S was more of an angelic woman and a sidelined leader. Scott was more interesting when he was with Emma...
@Fenris30
@Fenris30 6 жыл бұрын
Never read The Phoenix Saga, X-Cutioners Song or The Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix have you.
@Insaneian
@Insaneian 6 жыл бұрын
"To my left there's..." Nothing. There's nothing to your left or right, Ewan.
@mjfan8704
@mjfan8704 4 жыл бұрын
Gottem!
@crazy_acid77
@crazy_acid77 5 жыл бұрын
WOAH, WOAH, WOAH. Did you say Black Cat INSPIRED Catwoman? LMAO Black Cat came out 39 years after Catwoman!
@BaconManGaming101
@BaconManGaming101 Жыл бұрын
catwoman has somewhat became inspired by black cat in modern comics
@Bman32x
@Bman32x 6 жыл бұрын
Frank Millar made Superman and Wonder Woman a thing well before new 52 did
@yahyagalal3397
@yahyagalal3397 6 жыл бұрын
Joker Harley>Ivy Harley
@spideyviewer327
@spideyviewer327 6 жыл бұрын
Well actually, Spider-Man and Black Cat are one of the biggest shipped couples in Spider-Man history.
@EmmanuelMarin07
@EmmanuelMarin07 6 жыл бұрын
Did you get these from Comicstorian?
@vincentrodriguez7797
@vincentrodriguez7797 6 жыл бұрын
Switzer Land no he got this from what cultures website
@CreamFraiche
@CreamFraiche 6 жыл бұрын
In Comicstorian's video he said he got the list from WhatCulture
@avap.9429
@avap.9429 6 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who genuinely loves Spidey and Cat as a couple? I prefer pairing him with badasses like himself rather than prissy princesses like MJ and Gwen.
@Harleyxjokerforever
@Harleyxjokerforever 6 жыл бұрын
"Controversial comic couples that fans hate" #1 Joker and Harley. ....... 😕
@madmaxx4178
@madmaxx4178 6 жыл бұрын
O God shut up I don't hate the couple but I hate it's fanbase
@khodorgaz7720
@khodorgaz7720 6 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 just look at your name OMG the ironey
@user-uq6vn6yw9o
@user-uq6vn6yw9o 6 жыл бұрын
HarleyxJoker FOREVER I mean a lot of people hate joker x Harley because it's crazy abusive. I personally don't like it but I don't really care if others like it
@ItsMeYourDad69
@ItsMeYourDad69 6 жыл бұрын
DUDE ITS THE MOST TOXIC RELATIONSHIP IN THE HISTORY OF FICTION
@kureaz
@kureaz 6 жыл бұрын
@@ItsMeYourDad69 ya but fans love them.
@sauldogeman2816
@sauldogeman2816 6 жыл бұрын
Batman and Catwoman were actually a couple before Spiderman and Gwen Stacy.
@dubbmoon
@dubbmoon 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't mind the superman and wonder woman relationship
@gangazumba3333
@gangazumba3333 6 жыл бұрын
I always liked the idea of Superman and Wonder Woman getting together. Hell, made logical sense; 2 Outcast getting together.
@disdanny
@disdanny 5 жыл бұрын
Supes and WW are great together people are just too used of Louis.
@VivaciousVixen
@VivaciousVixen 5 жыл бұрын
I always thought Barbra and Batman was so weird. I thought they were more like family than anything. It felt wrong and weird
@syrusriddick
@syrusriddick 6 жыл бұрын
Mate, not everything done to a woman in comics is misogynistic. Men and women both have been treated horribly in comics with men actually taking the brunt of the abuse. There’s no need for everything done to women to suddenly be sexist when it’s fine for men to receive the same or worse treatment. Please don’t start going all IGN on us.
@errantknight4635
@errantknight4635 6 жыл бұрын
He wasn't even slightly wrong, and the cases he highlighted were egregious.
@amwsmiles
@amwsmiles 6 жыл бұрын
Infuriating, isn't it? No woman should ever find herself in a difficult situation, and if they do it's misogyny and definitely the fault of a man somewhere.
@samsquatch7880
@samsquatch7880 6 жыл бұрын
I mean, the "sloppy seconds" comment, the patronizing and the *actual spousal abuse* definitely count as sexism. That doesn't mean sexist things don't happen to men in comics. We don't have to "all suffer together or never suffer at all", different things occur to different people. To put it simpler, something mysoginistic can happen to a woman without it devaluing claims that something misandrinistic could theoretically also happen to a man (of a fictional lot, no less).
@patoren3gou653
@patoren3gou653 6 жыл бұрын
not that i dont agree with you but slapping women simply for standing up for themselves is sexist and anyone who denies that spends way too much time on 4chan then again berating men for being smarter than you is also sexist (*cough* Nadia Pym *cough*)
@syrusriddick
@syrusriddick 6 жыл бұрын
ToQ 3gou That’s what I was saying. Yep women get slapped for standing up for themselves or berated as do the men in equal turn both sides are treated like crap. I can’t call it sexist if both are treated horribly in the same situations. To be fair women have more of a personality to come out of these situations unscathed or simply insulted whereas say a male minion would be killed without a second thought of the reader.
@fellipebarbosa4210
@fellipebarbosa4210 6 жыл бұрын
Supes and WW is the only couple that actually makes sense in the whole JL
@thunderlordaeron134
@thunderlordaeron134 5 жыл бұрын
Superman and Wonder Woman were my best couple!! Not Fair for them!! Yeah I know many people hatrd them outside there but many people love them too!!
@aidanhever3369
@aidanhever3369 6 жыл бұрын
I totally disagree about Spidey and Black Cat as the worst couple. That spot should belong to Spidey with either Carlie Cooper, Michelle Gonzales, Sarah Osborn or Silk.
@AndyHoward
@AndyHoward 6 жыл бұрын
[Dis]honorable Mention: Jean Grey and Mastermind (Dark Phoenix Saga)
@willieoelkers5568
@willieoelkers5568 6 жыл бұрын
The only good thing about that was that Dark Phoenix scrambled that perv's egg good and kept him out of the comics for a while.
@sarafontanini7051
@sarafontanini7051 6 жыл бұрын
except....that was SUPPOSED to be terrible, as it was a supervillain manipulating a hero and brainwashing her to become evil. wheras these pairings were SUPPOSED to be viable romances for one reason or another.
@AndyHoward
@AndyHoward 6 жыл бұрын
True
@CableFF7Forever
@CableFF7Forever 6 жыл бұрын
God Tim Drake and Babs in Arkham Knight is worse that a lot of people think. Not only is it creepy because in the Animated Series he was like 11 and she was in her mid 20's but her personal DLC Episode "A Matter of Family" created a huge plot hole. In the Arkham Universe Jason "died" 6 months before Asylum and Oracle had been crippled a few years before Asylum and Tim Drake started out as Robin 6 months before Arkham City. But this DLC takes place before Babs got crippled yet Tim Drake is the Robin? So in other words WB made this DLC to try and push/ make sense of an extremely stupid pairing (considering in the comics beforehand Dick and Babs were already a thing)
@kyledmacdonald-2115
@kyledmacdonald-2115 6 жыл бұрын
Whoever thought that Black Widow and Hulk should be TOGETHER in the MCU must DIE!
@BlackJackLopez
@BlackJackLopez 6 жыл бұрын
That would technically be Eugenics, and it's wrong. Nah, it was just plain stupid, they just needed a love story and Hawkeye was already married. What do you want? It's Disney. Lol.
@mmfg00
@mmfg00 5 жыл бұрын
I agree, she belongs with Bucky Barnes
@danielgengler4342
@danielgengler4342 6 жыл бұрын
I liked the Superman/Wonder Woman relationship. Started suddenly, and ended for a stupid reason, but there were many good moments. I always loved the Lois/Clark relationship, for the most part, but there was a different dynamic with Diana. I don't mind that they took out in Rebirth, just pissed that they had literally two panels of Diana dealing with, or even talking about the death of New 52 Superman before she got together with Steve.
@Inky925
@Inky925 6 жыл бұрын
Minus the domestic abuse am I the only one who loves Joker and Harley together?
@ChaoticButterfly
@ChaoticButterfly 5 жыл бұрын
Nah. I absolutely love them together, too. Have you read Batman: White Knight? I really liked it for the pairing.
@CommanderM117
@CommanderM117 5 жыл бұрын
nope not alone i like them to i understand why there bad but it does not detract from the chaos they bring and madness
@CountArtha
@CountArtha 4 жыл бұрын
No. But that's the problem.
@TheFrugalVideoGamer
@TheFrugalVideoGamer 5 жыл бұрын
Every time someone tries pointing to Harley/Joker as a great, twisted couple, I immediately point out that Gomez and Morticia Addams is all that while still being healthy.
@jjkm17
@jjkm17 6 жыл бұрын
I honestly hate that they broke up Harley and joker I liked their relationship
@smith9747
@smith9747 6 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm a fan of Spider-Man and Black Cat and preferred her over Mary Jane. But I see why Spidey and MJ works much better. Same goes for Scott and Emma. But the rest I agree with.
@johnnybeatmaker330
@johnnybeatmaker330 6 жыл бұрын
Ppl don't like 🃏 and Harley together?, I mean her character was designed for 🃏
@kaytamurray
@kaytamurray 6 жыл бұрын
Johnny Beatmaker it’s abusive so that’s why lol
@myeeeeeh
@myeeeeeh 6 жыл бұрын
Why would people like an abusive relationship?
@JasonRogue
@JasonRogue 6 жыл бұрын
Suicide Squad made me hate the Joker and Harley relationship, DC tried to hard to make it a full fledged relationship when hardcore comic fans know that's not the relationship we know. I will admit there were times Joker did kill for Harley out of jealousy. Take the Joker comic back in 2008 by Brian Azzarello where he skinned a man alive for whoring up Harley. To me he sort of redeemed himself there, but in reality he doesn't really care for Harley as a boyfriend/husband way, he just wants her there to use her as bait/and who he knows will die for him.
@MrGylanThomas
@MrGylanThomas 6 жыл бұрын
Suggesting fans hated Spidey and Black Cat is a bit of a stretch...
@LigerFan
@LigerFan 6 жыл бұрын
FWIW IIRC Claremont did his rectification(s?) of the Ms. Marvel storyline from Avengers #200 in Avengers Annual #10 which was also the debut of Rogue and is a really good read.
@shadydetective9285
@shadydetective9285 4 жыл бұрын
Superman and Wonder Woman are on this list? WHAT IS THIS?!?!?!?!!
@paulsardinasify
@paulsardinasify 6 жыл бұрын
Hank Pym Skrull and Tigra have a baby. Hank Pym and Espirita. She feels sorry for him because he is about to commit suicide. She also feels God led her to him. Spider-man and Mocking Bird. I just hate this while Hawkeye is still around. The whole She Hulk and Man-Wolf thing. They got together and seemed like a good couple until she thought she might be under the control of Starfox whose power is making people amorous for each other. She sues Starfox. Sam Wilson (Falcon) and Misty Knight. I like her with Iron Fist.
@maxcardun
@maxcardun 6 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm Spider-Man's Dilemma with Mary Jane Watson and Gwen Stacy is kinda like Superman's own old Dilemma with Lois Lane and Lana Lang.
@anotherdragneel5077
@anotherdragneel5077 6 жыл бұрын
I actually love wonder women and Superman more than Superman and Lois lane... Please don't hate me ...
@rosscraig628
@rosscraig628 6 жыл бұрын
I actually like Black Cat and Spidey. If Spider-Man had a definitive finish, you know that’s not who he’s going to end up with, but having an on again off again relationship is really interesting, especially since they have tonnes of chemistry and it’s someone who can relate to him on the super hero/villain level. Also no couple revivals Green Arrow and Black Canary
@icecreamsandwiches7273
@icecreamsandwiches7273 6 жыл бұрын
I love wonder-women and I love superman but I was not excited about their relationship. It was to easy and predictable. It does seem like it would make the most sense but then that would be boring. Besides wonder women with Steve roger and Superman with Lois lane are iconic.
@avatarthelastairbender3798
@avatarthelastairbender3798 5 жыл бұрын
Wonder woman and Steve Rogers aren't even in the same universe why are they even a pairing but I don't mind it I just don't see DC and marvel linking especially not the characters.
@damonika09
@damonika09 4 жыл бұрын
Avatar the last Airbender She probably meant Steve Trevor. That’s Diana’s boyfriend.
@ghost245353
@ghost245353 6 жыл бұрын
I never had a problem with Sumperman and Wonder Woman getting together. It made sense.
@erwa5198
@erwa5198 6 жыл бұрын
Ant man & wasp don't belong on here
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