10 of the WORST Timeline Mistakes in the MCU

[@Geekritique]

Did I miss any big Timeline mistakes?

[@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01]

Yes the Incredible Hulk 2007 I thought it was out in 2008 hahaha

[@Geekritique]

It was out in 2008, but it took place in 2007 according to in-film dates.

[@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01]

@@Geekritique my bad

[@Geekritique]

No worries. Should have explained better in the vid.

[@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01]

@@Geekritique it’s fine I’m looking forward to seeing your timeline video you really inspire me so much if I’m putting my mcu 4K DVD’s away in my shelf 😎😎😎 btw I think I’ve herd this is still early days that doctor strange 2 can be the new year of 2025

[@blackguy2331]

The reason I enjoy your timelines so much is because you find those things that I miss like a person's date of birth. Goes over my head but not yours. Good on ya.

[@Geekritique]

Thanks Jordan, it’s just that I’ll pause a movie like a bajillion times haha to make vids like this. Thank you for watching.

[@WaterMeLoan64]

@@Geekritique!!

[@WhiteRaven696]

The irony is, Marvel Studios loves ignoring Agents of SHIELD, but AoS managed to keep the MCU timeline straight for ALL the corners of it for YEARS.

[@Geekritique]

Yyyyup! And now it’s a mess again.

[@WhiteRaven696]

@@Geekritique The MCU as a franchise is amazing and most of the products are also amazing (lol at Inhumans), but when it comes to what’s canon or not (like Helstrom) and keeping an inner chronology straight (What If), it’s absolutely got to get its stuff together.

[@CaptHayfever]

And then we just got the big revelation that it's actually Perlmutter's fault, not Feige's, that the movies didn't incorporate the old shows beyond subtle easter eggs.

[@WhiteRaven696]

@@CaptHayfever Wait, what?! Do you have a link?

[@b2ickwall978]

I think the #1 thing wrong with the timeline is actually that they don't have you on board to help advise them. I know a lot of people look for continuity in the MCU, but I haven't seen anyone approach it with your close eye and passion for wanting it to make sense. Great video overall and kudos for the editing!

[@Geekritique]

As always, thank you for the kind comment. It would be great having a larger hand in it all. For now, I’m content with my outsiders point of view though. Glad you enjoyed the edits as well.

[@leo.montoya]

I found you're timeline v6.5 a few months ago and I've always wanted to watch all mcu content in chronological order (canonical or not) so I'm really hyped for you're v7.0 and I love the way you show the chronology. This will be my goal for 2022

[@prettymuchanobody6562]

I think a good head canon answer (to me at least) to the many errors in What it...? is to simply assume the nexus event that caused the change isn't actually the small change presented in each episode's opening and title, but instead some event further in the past that happened to lead to the specific change we're somewhat focusing on Doesn't work for episode 4 though, as she's alive in the main timeline (since she's in m.o.m.) more than ten years later, which cannot be explained by any means other than the one you suggested in the past, all of this is of course in my own opinion.

[@memelicker6437]

I think it all still makes sense. It is the multiverse so anything is possible, including events happening before they do in the main timeline. Time in What If isn’t the sacred timeline branches anymore because Loki broke that, now, time is a prism as The Watcher puts it. It’s a complete multiverse now not just branches off the timeline.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

It still doesn't in some areas

[@MarshallLS]

This is one of your best videos. It's great. I really hope people see it.

[@Geekritique]

Thanks Marshall! Super pleased with it, and I’m glad you liked it.

[@MrSofly2010]

It’s pretty clear that the original idea for End Game was to go back in time five years. Which would not have been a problem if the movies at the time were four years in the future (like Spiderman homecoming). But they decided to go a different route with time travel (for the best) and make the movies fives years ahead and keep the original dates of release (well most of them lol). Now we are playing catch up.

[@LeafBreaker]

Your videos are so good i watch them at 2 in the morning (no seriously i do)

[@Geekritique]

I am honored.

[@notblakeyboo]

Been waiting for this one! Love your channel!

[@Geekritique]

Thank you! I appreciate it.

[@kat_impossible]

I think I had a very different perception of what "What If ..." entailed. To me, they weren't Nexus events, but actual parallel worlds, so anything *could* indeed happen, since they weren't part of the sacred timeline. In Loki, they said that the Time Lords unified all time streams to create the sacred timeline, but later on, after we have learned they are just a hoax, He Who Remained said that there are multiple other worlds (aka multiverse) out there and he just kept them at bay for this whole time. Time variances could break his barrier. Did I understand everything about What If and Loki wrong?

[@Geekritique]

I think it’s highly possible neither of us are correct. We’re all trying to make it make sense. But for what it’s worth, the director of What If…? claimed these were Nexus events.

[@kat_impossible]

@@Geekritique Aaah, okay! I did not read any interviews at all! Thanks for pointing that out!

[@yunuselhabibi]

Speaking of MCU timelines, when is your updated MCU timeline video coming?🙂

[@notblakeyboo]

He's aiming for the end of the year

[@Geekritique]

Yup, end of year, maybe early next.

[@yunuselhabibi]

@@Geekritique Alright thank you. Really looking forward to it :)

[@definitelynotabot1743]

@@Geekritique Will you have an own video explaining the timeline of "Eternals", or will that just be part of the big MCU timeline video?

[@WaterMeLoan64]

@@Geekritique yee

[@TheGameKnight]

I've been watching all of your timeline videos on the mcu, and i got to say you're hella underrated, your video deserve millions of views.

[@Geekritique]

Thank you! I hope the algorithm feels the same way someday 😂

[@jaredjenkins99]

Great video. The only one I disagree with is Stan Lee’s Watcher cameo. There’s no reason why an informant of the watchers should have to conform to a linear timeline, we have no idea what his powers are or how he does what he does. Even if he can’t “time travel” the Watchers can definitely manipulate time. They could have plucked him from any point in his life easily.

[@Geekritique]

That’s a fair point actually. Time travel would be the easiest way to fix that problem.

[@racdude01]

I believe time works for the watchers the same as it does for he who remains. They exist outside of time and view the events as a flat disc all happening simultaneously so it’s something that can easily be explained

[@Protocol36]

Another great video, Dakota! I also really hope Marvel is more careful when it comes to the timelines of their films/shows even when it comes to date of births or even dates of ficitonal events in the Universe, and man if they ever get you to be their consultant when it comes to the official MCU timeline I will be the first person to celebrate! 🙌🙌🙌 once again awesome work and I really can't wait for your next complete MCU timeline video, which I know, will also be amazing! 🔥💯

[@Geekritique]

Thanks as always for the kinda words. I hope Marvel does better, but we’ll see. I kinda feel like they’ve started giving up a bit in Phase 4 with continuity, and I hope that’s not the case.

[@Protocol36]

@@Geekritique Anytime and I hope not as well man 🙏

[@burgergud2804]

You needs more views and subs dude, you deserve it!

[@Geekritique]

Thank you, I agree haha

[@MirageUchiha]

Great video man! I appreciate the explanations as well.

[@Geekritique]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.

[@MirageUchiha]

@@Geekritique Np! Glad I stumbled upon your channel. Time to subscribe!

[@tanislater6845]

Super excited for the timeline video!! I really appreciate your dedication to your work, it's very much added to my enjoyment of the MCU and how I choose to rewatch everything

[@Geekritique]

Thank you, I’m very glad to help.

[@Seras99]

I’m hoping 7.0 will finally include the marvel movies that isn’t part of the MCU originally. Mostly the Spider-Man movies first. Not sure about the 90s Marvel Animated Shows since that is something you need to look into and figure out yourself. The rest of the marvel movies that isn’t part of the MCU multiverse officially, they will be hold off for now until multiverse of madness.

[@Seras99]

And oh the two Venom movies too. lol

[@ComeChillWithCody]

So basically the 5 Spider-Man movies, the 2 venom movies and technically into the spider verse since showings of venom had it as a post credit scene ?

[@Seras99]

@@ComeChillWithCody Oh yeah! That movie too! Yeah it’s gonna be a spider man feast! 😂

[@zed3238]

I hope not. Bc they are not set in the mcu, the characters might appear in an mcu coming from a different world in the multiverse but that doesn’t make there movies mcu canon

[@Seras99]

@@zed3238 I’m talking about multiverse order.

[@ZevockVile]

When’s your next MCU timeline coming out.

[@MattPerk7]

"This retcons the retcon of the retcon..." that about sums up the MCU timeline in one line lol. No, I'm still extremely impressed with how good of a job they do with connective tissue and continuity, and thankfully we have people like you who are good at noticing all the details and finding a way to make it make sense.

[@Geekritique]

Haha I’m happy someone thought that summation was funny. Thanks for watching.

[@masterblaster2053]

I can't wait for the big timeline video!

[@noahlisiecki2734]

3:50 I see that as just Prague waiting till July to hold it, as October was when everybody was blipped back so it was just a one time thing

[@Geekritique]

Could be, that would make sense.

[@josemojica4342]

You're hired !!! They need someone to work this out... I noticed a few you're mentioned, and learned more from you... Again... You're hired !!!

[@Geekritique]

Haha if only it were that simple! Would love to work for Marvel though.

[@jonsnow5907]

Lucasfilm has a story group that’s in charge of if this exact sort of thing. Making sure names and events all are used in the proper way without contradicting themselves.

[@TheCasualFanatic]

I think the timeline is fluid... each major event has created ripples and the chronology is disrupted constantly within the MCU. I'd like to think that Mandela Effect or The Matrix like Deja vu's that occur, whether the character notices it or not, have been occurring throughout the major forms of media (movies, television, and others) on purpose. What if one of the next major event films does a Neo double-take, with a Black Cat? Would that fix any these errors in you opinion? Loki, What If..., the formal introduction of Kang, or maybe the next big bad could trigger this event! No Way Home seems to be tying in previous iterations of Spider-Man films... Maybe X-Men, Netflix Defenders, or even the infamous Inhumans can be reintroduced, in an altered way, that breaks all continuity, but in turn ties audiences to previous franchises without directly pulling what didn't work in those respective versions! Who needs continuity when timelines are fluid like splashing in a vast ocean of possibilities!

[@Geekritique]

Time is a natural convention of every story ever told. Every story needs continuity. Interlocking stories need it more-so to maintain suspended disbelief. I don’t really get the argument.

[@PathsUnwritten]

In 'Loki', I understood He Who Remains as explaining that every parallel universe was indeed an offshoot of the the main singular universe until his Kang War and consolidated them into his Sacred Timeline, thereby eliminating all others. At that point, he was not concerned about incursions from other Kang variants due to have eliminated all possibility of them until 'Loki'. I personally don't consider 'What If?' anything more than a fanfic offshoot like Agents of Shield or Inhumans.

[@definitelynotabot1743]

But "What If...?" is officially canon. The events of the series happen because of the branching timeline at the end of "Loki".

[@PathsUnwritten]

@@definitelynotabot1743 Unless/Until something from the What If? is referenced in the actual films or live action tv shows, I wouldn't give it any more legitimacy than Netflix or Hulu shows. Then again, you still have KZbin channels arguing Runaways and Agents of Shield are still canon too.

[@definitelynotabot1743]

@@PathsUnwritten There is a rumor that Captain Carter will appear in "Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness". It's not confirmed, though.

[@Geekritique]

It’s possible I’m mistaken there, but having gone over what he says meticulously for my Loki Timeline vid (as well as the way we’re introduced to the Sacred Timeline in episode 6) I dunno about that. But I’m willing to believe that I’m mistaken given enough evidence.

[@PathsUnwritten]

@@Geekritique Thank you for the reply, Dakota. If standalone parallel universes are being brought in, that complicates things immensely, but I think the new Spider-Man 3 is heading in that direction, there is no way you can explain events from Peter in early 2000s and Peter in 2020s as nexus events in the same timeline. Either way, looking forward to see what they decide to do. Although I hope they don't end up breaking all the rules set up in Loki simply for cheap nostalgia and fanservice. I've enjoyed your MCU stuff for a while and look forward to your post Far From Home and Multiverse of Madness edits. I assume you'll have your work cut out for you there!

[@Jake_Connellan_71]

Loved this! Keep up the great work!

[@Geekritique]

Thanks Jake, will do.

[@D.T.33]

I figured out the Timeline for Phase 4 AVENGERS: ENDGAME 2018 • 2023 (5 year jump - October 2023) WandaVision - (October 2023) L O K I - (exist in the multiverse outside timeline) E T E R N A L S - (November 2023) Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (April 2024) The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - (April 2024) SPIDER-MAN: Far From Home - (July 2024) VENOM: Let There Be Carnage (alternate universe/multiverse) SPIDER-MAN: No Way Home - (November 2024) H A W K E Y E - (December 2024)

[@shaunblake7411]

7:08 Extention to "Who Is President Anyway?" Ok, so there is also the confusion that there are Obama and Trump references in Luke Cage as well. Yes I am 100% aware that Luke Cage is no longer part of the "Sacred Timeline" as with most Marvel Television Productions. BUT It's still an issue because this has an effect on the multiverse potentially and is even an issue within its own universe as well. We are 90% sure at this point that even though the Marvel Television shows are not part of the "Sacred Timeline", they have kept the actors in the same roles in those for the MCU productions (if the rumours about Charlie Cox being Matt Murdock in Spiderman No Way Home, Vincent D'Onofio being Fisk in Hawkeye later down the line, Elizabeth Hentstridge and Chloe Bennett being Simmons and Quake in Secret Wars and possibly Kristen Ritter back as Jessica Jones in the upcoming Echo show that spins off Hawkeye turn out to be true - I know none of these confirmed apart from James D'arcy as Jarvis in Endgame but still.......) Therefore we can assume that the Marvel Television Universe is a Branched universe connected to the Sacred Timeline and not a "Parallel Universe" like the Raimi or Webb Spiderman universes or Fox's Xmen films would be that are not connected (again assuming they're showing up soon in NWH and Dr Strange MOM based on some rumours but those worlds can get away with having separate presidents, different casts etc as a result of non-connection). So what's the issue? Well we know for definate that Luke Cage is in the same universe as Daredevil and Punisher because of Defenders etc. But Agents of Shield directly refers to the gang wars the Punisher gets involved in in Daredevil Season 2 on a newsreel. That plus the Carl Creel references and the Agnes orphanage references as well suggest that Agents of Shield takes place in the same world as the Netflix shows (though they never cross over direclty). But Agents of Shield literally has Matthew Ellis show up as President as well played by the same actor from Iron Man 3. Oh dear. Whoops. Maybe this could be explained that The Netflix shows are a branch off a branch off a branch and that AOS and Luke Cage are similar but not quite the same branch but I think that will make any sane person who's keeping tabs on these things go cross eyed haha

[@Geekritique]

🤣 you got me crossing my eyes with that response. Need a nap.

[@NorthernRealmJackal]

@17:42 I believe you got this part wrong. Kang specifically says he created the TVA to prevent a "multiversal war". A branch in a timeline is the same as an alternate universe. The events of Loki S1 (and 2 somehow) allowed for What If, MoM and NWH to happen. That was the whole point of killing He Who Remains, and anything else would be nonsensical.

[@Geekritique]

I agree with everything you’ve said, but that doesn’t explain how this branch came to be, and why it diverged so differently than what has been explained up to and after this point.

[@NorthernRealmJackal]

@@Geekritique Oh no I never said the MCU were coherent and good at explaining things :D Just that I suspect this is what they were going for when they wrote Loki.. thanks for s great video, and for replying (even 2 years later)!

[@KKPlaysGD]

My theory is that there wasn't a nexus event on that What If...? episode because Stephen reversed the universe with the time stone, that's why it created a paradox and not a nexus event like in a normal time travel.

[@definitelynotabot1743]

Is the "MCU chronological timeline version 7.0" coming in January?

[@Geekritique]

That’s my current plan.

[@definitelynotabot1743]

Looking forward to it👍

[@gosei2352]

the reason why Thanos came early in the WHAT IF ultron episode is self explanatory recalling to the post credit scene of Age of Ultron. In the proper MCU continuity, he picks up the gauntlet and says "Fine, I'll do it myself". He probably said this because he had hopes of ultron winning and ending the world but came prepped with the gauntlet in-case he didnt. Although, ultron didnt win so presumably he started his hunt for the stones from there on. But in the WHAT IF continuity, Thanos started off the hunt early due to ultron already being behind his ears thinking it'd be a piece of cake for him. IK this isnt much great of an explanation but I dont have any other ideas for that ridiculous time jump

[@kujo734]

Good research! I'm just not going to lose sleep over it, though. I just want to be entertained.

[@Geekritique]

I hear that. Thanks for watching.

[@nelyafinwemaitimo6273]

My suggestion for Thanos coming early in What If 8 is that when Ultron launched the nukes and destroyed Earth, he killed Odin in that retirement home Loki put him in. Perhaps Thanos then started his hunt early by taking the Tesseract from Asgard now that Odin was dead and possibly came to some agreement for Loki to hand it over in exchange for being spared. He then could have used it to take the other stones, with the only tricky explanation being the soul stone - but if Gamora could find where it was, perhaps Nebula could do so as well and she was sacrificed in place of her sister. Its a rather long-winded explanation for a problem that was simply overlooked by the writers but it could probably stand up.

[@cotuong2264]

Good point!

[@uggychuggy1646]

So when is the new mcu timeline coming out

[@racdude01]

The problem with the what if episodes is that the very first one shows us the exact moment the timeline changed (nexus event occurs) and the proceeds to basically do a retelling of captain America just certain characters switched around. Episode 2 also tells us what event changed that caused this branch to occur (the event was yondu assigning 2 crewmates to get Peter instead of doing it himself, that event ripples into T’challa being taken instead) the following episodes happen after the nexus event has occurred and don’t really explain what exactly that event was though to some extent we can infer what it was. For instance episode 3 the event is Hank pyms daughter joining agents of shield and going on the mission in place of black widow that black talks about getting shot in the stomach in the winter soldier. In episode 4 the nexus event is strange and Christine staying in a relationship instead of breaking up as they do in the main timeline. This event causes that timeline to redline as all the what ifs events do. This creates a timeline where Christine’s death is an absolute point as it is the reason strange becomes a sorcerer and reversing her death with his sorcerer powers would create a paradox. In the main timeline the absolute point is his hands being damaged if he tried to use the stone to go back and undo that damage it would result in the same universal destruction. One thing that must be understand here is that the time stone works very different than time travel machines built by stark or fitz/Simmons on AOS. those machines relied on going through the quantum realm and coming back out at a previous point in your timeline where u could interact with your past self and any change you made would create a branching timeline. The time stone allows Strange to move back on his timeline as himself there isn’t a future and past version of himself interacting it’s one him thus any changes he makes won’t create a new timeline it will directly affect his future which is why trying to reverse Christine’s death creates a paradox aka absolute point. Which according to the creator had what if been written after Loki absolute points would’ve been called nexus points thus making them the inverse of a nexus event. In episode 8 we really rnt given much information as to what event changed that allowed Ultron to get the mindstone. Because we don’t know what the event was or when it even occurred we can attribute all timeline discrepancies as being related that whatever that event was. Perhaps the event was Thanos started his quest earlier and he used nebula to get the soul stone instead of Gamora. Or more likely the event somehow caused him to start his quest earlier. Let me know if that makes sense or if you disagree with any points I’ve made

[@cotuong2264]

That makes sense. Thank you!

[@airunee]

Homecoming's 8 years later was the very first thing I noticed. I ranted for a good three minute about it. Good thing I only watched it at home or I would have had popcorn thrown at my head in the theaters lmao

[@Geekritique]

😂 it’s so bad.

[@srka42]

About What if Thanos: What if? Is set immediately after Loki, given he who remains isn’t maintaining the sacred timeline anymore it’s not out of the possibility that certain events happened earlier like Thanos showing up for the stones.

[@Geekritique]

But how does he have the Soul Stone if we see later in the episode Gamora’s still alive?

[@gameznvlogs3790]

Did he just say the next mcu timeline video is coming out SOON!?!? Yes please!!

[@Geekritique]

I did. 👀

[@kimsim8750]

The Homecoming 8 years later mistake was so stupid. Liz didn’t have to be a senior. They were going to homecoming, not prom. Even if they are both 16, Liz still seems a bit out of Peter’s league and the story still works.

[@Geekritique]

Agreed, that little boy in the beginning where “she’s gonna be an artist” isn’t worth the headache lol

[@gary24fan]

Basically, every time an MCU movie makes reference to "8 years later" or "in the 8 years since," run like hell!

[@themarvelanddcmarshlands]

Honestly, now that the Multiverse has been introduced and is playing such a big role in things, I think that the timeline is pretty decent and doesn’t need too much scrutiny. Maybe detailed viewing orders, but even that could end up getting messy and a headache if observed too closely

[@ale7xtreme1001]

Will the non-Marvel Studios content be included in the next timeline video? Personally, I am still strongly defending their canonicity because I literally haven’t read or seen anything official from Kevin Feige or Marvel stating otherwise, even though some people on the internet say they have “flat-out said” they aren’t canon anymore. It’s ridiculously confusing, honestly.

[@zed3238]

GR confirmed they are keeping the old era tv shows on the timeline. And they are canon. Clickbate articals say they aren’t but provide no source

[@amitezz]

good work dude

[@Geekritique]

Thanks man!

[@amitezz]

@@Geekritique dude I have a question... Is the uncle Jack (shown in Hawkeye) who was a sword master is connected to Whitman (black knight) from eternals? Kit Harrington said somewhere in eternals that I have very strange family and told about his uncle, and then in last a voice was coming when he was going to touch the sword. It's completely my thought but I want your view in this... Can you help me out...?

[@Geekritique]

It’s possible. But there’s no clear connection at this stage. Good question though.

[@frogoat]

Love your work

[@Geekritique]

Thanks so much!

[@MattPerk7]

There are so many leaps in logic and inconsistencies with their own rules in the What If... series that I actually refuse to consider it Canon and will not include it in any rewatch that I do until they do something that forces me to change my mind

[@n.s4122]

Is it possible to explain Agents of Shield's time travel with the rules of multiverse?

[@RafaelJoseGallardo]

I didn’t know that article came out but since he’s aware of it I feel like he should write somebody, anybody, everybody! He should be immensely proactive and get that position!!

[@Geekritique]

What article do you mean?

[@airunee]

The MCU timeline in the fandom wiki is my go-to for timeline research. Sure, some fan contributions may not be entirely accurate but you've got a full team of avid watchers with an eye for detail doing the work for you lol

[@Geekritique]

That’s a great way to look at it. The guys over at the Wiki do a great job.

[@joe3019772008]

hope you and yours had a safe and happy thanksgiving, my friend. and yeah. sometimes the mcu timelines don't seem to add up right. but, then again, the comics were never perfect with that stuff either.

[@Geekritique]

No, the comics were wayyy worse haha. Oh well.

[@joe3019772008]

@@Geekritique yes they are even today. lol.

[@Geekritique]

And thank you, hope your holiday went well also.

[@dextergrif1052]

I still can’t even find a definitive answer on whether or not Agents of Shield, Carter, Daredevil, etc. are canon to the MCU. Some sources say they are, some sources say they aren’t. Also, No Way Home gave yet ANOTHER explanation for the multiverse. I hope they find a way to make these all cohesive. Otherwise it will feel less satisfying to keep watching the MCU projects if it doesn’t feel like they’re connected.

[@zed3238]

They are. They’ve only ever actually said they are canon, all those articles saying they are not are twisting words and pulling stuff out of think air. Heres a canon list of shows before wandavison Agents of shield Agent Carter Inhumans (sadly this is canon) All the defenders shows Runaways Cloak and dagger Helstrom

[@dextergrif1052]

@@zed3238 Okay that’s what I guessed. If Kevin Feige said otherwise I would take that as definitive but everything else just sounds like rumors

[@CyberIce2000]

SPOILER for No Way Home just in case.... Matt Murdock AKA Daredevil appears in No Way Home as a cameo so right there officially confirms Daredevil along with the other Netflix shows are canon.

[@CaptHayfever]

--Easy patch job for MCU presidency: Obama beats Dubya Bush in 2004 & was inaugurated in January 2005. Then Ellis beats Obama in 2008 & is inaugurated in January 2009, serving 2 terms & putting him in position for all of the references to his presidency throughout the franchise. Ellis terms out in January 2017, & is succeeded by literally anyone but Hillary Clinton, since Runaways confirms she _didn't_ win (it's most likely Trump, though the references to his campaign in Luke Cage don't confirm that he *won,* but only that he *ran* ). --What I do with the D+ timeline is...not pay attention to the D+ timeline. The flawed interface of a streaming service that has been oft-criticized for its flawed interface is not reliable evidence of anything (especially since the blues festival poster is clearly advertising an _upcoming_ event, not a _current_ one). --I prefer the interpretation that the "6 months later" caption refers to 6 months after Ivan Vanko completes his first Whiplash suit, since that's the last event we see before that caption appears onscreen. --We're forgetting something very important about the explanation of the multiverse presented in the TVA: *It's a lie.* He Who Remains & Miss Minutes made it up as propaganda for the TVA agents to believe; the only thing "sacred" about the Sacred Timeline is that it results in He Who Remains's birth & NONE OF HIS OTHER VARIANTS. Parallel timelines & branch timelines are actually the same thing, & every single decision made by a being with free will can result in branches for each possible choice they could make. (And I figured the nexus event for What If episode 4 is Christine accepting Stephen's invitation to the award ceremony; after THAT point, her death is mandatory to ensure Strange becomes a sorcerer.) You're spot on about the multiverse getting messy quickly, though.

[@TheGamerProBeardBro]

It’s already been confirmed that the infinite multiverse exists outside of the mcu, that was first introduced in the first Doctor Strange movie. However in Loki, Kang preserves all timelines by destroying all of them to keep one sacred timeline intact, when the timelines get more messy the more chaos erupts, but so far the TVA could’ve honestly just been lying about that the whole time because we’ve seen in What If that different far branched timelines can transform into an entirely new universes on their own. The TVA just wanted to make sure that no timeline in the mcu would generate more universes because once the timeline becomes it’s own separate universe, they cannot control it. So going back to the What If plot holes, all of the episodes are branched timelines that become their own universe, meaning they have no effect on the mcu nor the mcu has no effect on their universe, to explain the plot hole, the new timelines could’ve started centuries, even millennia before the episode takes place and that would indeed alter events that wouldn’t make sense in the mcu but does indeed make sense in their universe. That’s the only way it makes sense

[@avrinrose5457]

Can You talk About Kaitou Joker?

[@keagangreer6398]

So, the one thing I just want to suggest is the explanation of the absolute point. Perhaps the absolute point was exclusive for THAT specific timeline. Basically, no dead Christine, no Doctor Strange to stop Dormammu. Seeing as The Ancient One doesn’t seem to be aware of the Multiverse, so it’s possible this is an assumption she made based on her own knowledge of her own timeline. And if I’m wrong. Please prove me so. I probably haven’t studied it like you have.

[@Geekritique]

You may very well be correct. I don’t think there’s enough explanation to refute it, so good call. Could be.

[@keagangreer6398]

@@Geekritique Awesome! Love your videos man! You make great stuff as always.

[@Geekritique]

Thanks for watching. I appreciate it.

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

About He Who Remains talk about universes, I get it looks like parallel universes but if the point of HWR plan is that he erases all universes except for the last one (where presumably he isn't born) to prevent the multiversal war, I guess all the universes were connected by a timeline at least at one point. About the What If ep 4, I heard someone commenting that maybe the thing about the Absolute Point is that Strange didn't just try to change the past in the Endgame, but use the Time Stone to try to rewrite his own universe without creating a new branch. I hope they explain better the difference between Universe, Dimension, Timeline and Reality in future proyects

[@Geekritique]

All He Who Remains says is that he weaponized Alioth and isolated the timeline, not that he necessarily erased other universes. But I guess that could be what’s inferred by weaponizing Alioth. I think more info is needed though, you’re right.

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

@@Geekritique Well I understood the Isolate part as erasing cause the TVA was made to send everything to the end of time and then have Alioth erase it out of existence, so if he weaponized Alioth, I asummed, was to erase the other universes. But I guess like other explanations of the show it isn't completly clear

[@Scotty-Doo626]

This channel has my level of going over and over and over this timeline again and again and I love it! I do find myself having to ignore certain elements in order to make it work though which can be quite annoying. For example I tend to treat Iron Man as being set in 2010 and ignoring Vision’s “8 years” line from Civil War to make everything else fit better. I just take it in as him saying “Since Mr Stark announced he was Iron Man.” without including the time period. This also being said by the same man who was annoyed all the way through his first time watching Spider-Man: Homecoming because of that dumb “8 Years Later” title card. We’re all just gonna say that Liz Toomes was shit at drawing when she was like 13. 😂

[@Geekritique]

Glad you like the channel. Yeah, we all need to retcon and ignore certain dates and times in our head.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

Here a couple things l think they should have done to make the chronology better: -shift Ironman 2&thor 1 to 2009 while keeping hulk in 2010 -cap wake up in 2011 -they should have had dr strange accident take place near the end of 2015 while the rest of the film occur in 2016 -they should have had black widow take place 1month after Civilwar, in between blackpanther & spiderman -have hawkeye take place in December 2023

[@madnessarcade7447]

U gotta update the timeline to include runaways s3 and aos s7

[@SaveDareDevil-Mx]

14:54 * Lets take matters into OUR OWN HANDS dude ! ! 1! Let’s not only fix their chronological & release day orders but let’s introduce the narrative order so that newcomers have a better more immersive experience with all the flashback story beats & twists intact! Like u said 14:40 viewer immersion is what matters most here! 14:46 Let’s unite a couple youtubers & colab on a big push for a common knowledge / general consensus awareness of this new narrative order within a well made video or videos for each of your channels !

[@DavidCecilYT]

Post No Way Home do you think you now need to include both previous Spider-man film series in the timeline? They are now essential watching to watch and understand the MCU I think?

[@Geekritique]

In a multiverse timeline, yes.

[@zed3238]

@@Geekritique will your next mcu timeline be strictly the mcu earth or all the multiverseal movies that connect

[@donstarplayz]

I imagine that The Watchers/Informants exist outside of time thus Stan Lee knowing about events that haven’t happened yet, or at least that’s just my headcannon

[@chrispy3369]

can't wait for top 50 worst timeline mistakes in the Fox X-Men universe

[@Geekritique]

Oh man. That’s so bad haha!

[@Madmonkeman]

The "sacred timeline" in Loki and the entirety of What If feel like a huge contradiction as well as all the other multiverse stuff in the MCU.

[@Geekritique]

That’s kind of the point of multiverse stories though. So long as they make it make sense… then I have no issues.

[@frogoat]

I do wonder if the Disney + tweaking was to help avoid the obvious spoilers in Black Widow?

[@Geekritique]

What spoilers wold that be?

[@DyegoDare13]

Hire this guy already, Disney

[@Geekritique]

Please and thank you 😂

[@pablojosemoralesidrovo9636]

Hey can you make for the next video the missing movies that are not in the series of where does the MCU takes place? It is missing Captain Marvel, avengers endgame and Spider-Man far from home and for the phase four: WandaVision the falcon and the Winter soldier Shanker Chi and the legend of the 10 rings and Eternals and What If?

[@pablojosemoralesidrovo9636]

But please do it but in order of release date

[@Geekritique]

I’ll definitely get around to those, thanks for requesting them.

[@pablojosemoralesidrovo9636]

Other thing, when Hawkeye finish the series can you Please make when does Hawkeye takes place

[@Geekritique]

I’d like to, yeah.

[@pablojosemoralesidrovo9636]

@@Geekritique You know that I like to making series when does the MCU movies take place, for example what size in the movies or title cards that say the year

[@pakimonsas]

The airport battle happens in late June, so two months after that is approximately the beginning of September

[@Geekritique]

According to whom? The MCU Wiki? They ignore the in-film dates of March and April. I don’t consider their timeline accurate when it comes to Civil War, considering it also ignores dates that pin Ant-Man and the Wasp to April 2018 (which needs to be two years after Civil War).

[@pakimonsas]

@@Geekritique WHiH video sets the Lagos incident on May 3rd, 2016. While Spider-Man: Homecoming Prelude establishes that the Bombing of Vienna is one month later

[@Geekritique]

This video establishes pretty succinctly why you shouldn’t trust Homecoming as a source, and the Preludes are iffy canon-wise to begin with. Civil War dates Lagos to late March, going by all in-film date and newspapers. Which do you trust more? The most timeline-conscious film Marvel’s yet produced, or a web series?

[@Richmond.Reviews]

Do you know when the eternals mainly takes place? I am going to watch the entire MCU in chronological order so I want to know when it takes place

[@prettymuchanobody6562]

It's going pretty well

[@prettymuchanobody6562]

What about you?

[@Geekritique]

I’m doing great now that I’ve finally gotten this video out.

[@prettymuchanobody6562]

@@Geekritique I am too! Good luck with its performance n stuff

[@pablojosemoralesidrovo9636]

Other thing, can you please post on your website the videos that are in the series of where does the MCU take place, including the TV series and the movies of the phase four and the movies of the phase three that are missing, I asking that because I saw Your website and the movies that are in that website is Iron Man, Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2 and Thor

[@Ereheru]

Great video. I think you should get the job too. Isn't "He Who Remains" a descendant of Reed Richards? Is that why we haven't gotten a Fantastic Four movie, because the Sacred Timeline wouldn't allow a Reed Richards to exist?

[@Geekritique]

I hasn’t considered this possibility actually. That’s a really cool way of looking at it. Thanks Dan!

[@MirageUchiha]

Is your MCU Timeline V.7 video gonna incorporate No Way Home?

[@Geekritique]

Yes, it will.

[@MirageUchiha]

@@Geekritique Nice! I can't wait!

[@zed3238]

@@Geekritique please tell me your aren’t removing the old shows!

[@definitelynotabot1743]

Hey Geekritique! I am wondering when "Eternals" takes place. Evidence in the movie itself points towards early 2024. But according to Marvel Studios, it takes place 8 months after "Avengers: Endgame". When do you think it takes place?

[@Geekritique]

I’m coming to the same issues that you are. The producer claims it’s near FFH, the writers claim it’s near Falcon, and the film itself feels like it best fits Fall 2023/Winter 2024. I have no clue.

[@STrav1991]

@@Geekritique I think March 2024, before *Shang-Chi* and *Falcon* fits best for a few reasons. The writers claim it takes place around the time of *Falcon* and that makes more sense to me than the producer's *Far From Home* claims. No matter what people tell you about London weather, there's no way the characters would be walking around in heavy coats and scarves in June if it was to line up with Far From Home. 😂 So I'd put it anywhere between October and March. Ajak's claim that Thanos' Snap occurred 5 years ago would be wrong if the movie takes place in 2024 but seeing as March 2024 isn't quite 6 years from the May 2018 snap; the 5 years comment sort of makes sense although most people would round up to 6 years. I know there are fallen leaves in the Kentucky scenes when they visit Phastos but we could conclude that those are just dead leaves that were never swept up after the Autumn / Winter. I'm fine with either early Spring 2024 or Autumn / Winter 2024 as long as June 2024 isn't where they place it on the Disney+ timeline. 🤮 My preference is to go closer with what the writers say but still placing before *Shang-Chi* and Falcon. This is also because Eternals was intended for release before *Shang-Chi* and *Falcon* is just more stretched out timeline wise than the two of those films.

[@saldziakrauje]

I think the "6 months later" in Iron Man 2 means 6 months after Vanko creates his arc reactor, not 6 months after Iron Man 1

[@Geekritique]

Could be!

[@VincentiusRaditya]

I like your videos, can you make the same video about Fox X-Men Universe Timeline? Thx and regards from indonesia, sorry for my bad English 🙏

[@Geekritique]

I’m happy you enjoy my videos. I think one day I’ll have to cover the X-Men timeline, but I don’t have any immediate plans. Someday though! Thanks for watching, and your English is perfect.

[@ComeChillWithCody]

The biggest MCU timeline mishap to me is Fury’s big week, it makes no sense and they have things that conflict and constantly change the placement, even worse is if you read the comic. That really makes it weird.

[@definitelynotabot1743]

The MCU tie-in comics are weird.

[@Geekritique]

No lies detected, that’s a HUGE problem for me too.

[@cotuong2264]

Fury's big week facilitates the episode What if the Earth lost its mightiest heroes...?

[@D.T.33]

I have a different viewing order on how to watch the M.C.U. Movies. Watch them in both Chronological and Release Order I have a good list too..

[@EyebrowCinema]

I know it's not the point of this video but your sweater looks extremely comfortable.

[@Geekritique]

Thanks! Yeah it is. Was a gift from my family from a recent trip to Iceland.

[@kioflocka478]

Marvel really needs to hire him ‼️

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

Let's just hope feigi watches this video and decide to hire you to manage their timeline

[@Geekritique]

I wouldn’t say no 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

What's the problem with assuming the time elapsed between What If Ultron taking over Earth and Thanos arriving is multiple years?

[@Geekritique]

I'm not really sure what you're asking, sorry.

[@AlienIOIandroktone]

@@Geekritique I was just talking about your 'What If Ultron Won' point, about when Ultron killed Thanos. Is there anything in the episode to say this isn't in 2018 or later?

[@Geekritique]

Not particularly, but it doesn’t seem likely that Ultron would need years to accomplish what he did, given the power of the mind stone. That *could* be an explanation for it however.

[@Blitzwich]

I personally like iron man 3 before dark world. Just for the simple fact that it feels like an epilogue/continuation of avengers. Just like far from home is to endgame. It just feels nicer in a watching sense

[@Geekritique]

Totally agree!

[@DavidCecilYT]

PS in my head I have to write off the 8 years later as referring to Iron Man (when the MCU kicked off) rather than Avengers. Bit like Star Wars use ABY

[@DToomer]

1000% agree on Iron Man 3 being Christmas 2012 before Thor which is 2013. As for Black Widow & Black Panther, I agree Widow comes first, HOWEVER, one could argue a high bulk of the film takes place maybe a month after Civil War - I doubt Nat was in that mobile trailer for too long where as the beginning of Panther clearly establishes they just buried their previous King a week before the movie began which I imagine wouldn’t be too long after Civil War. Easiest answer is they take place simultaneously. It’s a tricky argument, just like people see the beginning scene of Dark World & automatically think it’s gotta be after Avenger 1 because of Loki’s sentencing but, who knows how long Thor had to travel the realms & calm things down before returning after killing Korg’s “cousin.” I’d argue the bulk of Dark World is 2013 & only the beginning scene is 2012.

[@Geekritique]

The thing is, Nat says herself that the trailer’s generator crapped out 8 hours after she got there.

[@Brendyn4222]

The Watcher informant is an easy fix. Just like the watchers (as shown in what if) he can travel through space and time?

[@Geekritique]

It’s possible. We don’t know if all universes in the multiverse all happen concurrently though, so it may not be time travel (but it most likely is).

[@kingpy6862]

My BIGGEST concern for the MCU is the Soul Stone and how it got to Vomir. I've just watched all the movies on Disney plus and can't figure out for the life of me, who or what had the soul stone to begin with. The sovereign is as far back back as it goes according to the MCU. But that would mean Thanos would have went for them but instead Gamora found it on Vomir? All the other MCU timeline plot holes are annoying but the soul stone bothers me the most.

[@Geekritique]

It’s not really a plot hole though, it just hasn’t been explained yet.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

Hawkeye and no way home brought so much more elements(and complicate it a bit) for you to add, one more week left for you to complete your new complete mcu chronology video

[@Ne0Nights]

Re the Eternals point, it can be easily explained away if you take Dane's question to be about how long the Eternals were together and not Sersi and Ikaris. The Eternals were together 5000 years before splitting up.

[@Ne0Nights]

Also question about Eternals, do you think it takes place around the same time as FFH as the writers say or halloween 2023/2024 like the pumpkins at Phastos's house suggest?

[@Geekritique]

The Eternals were together 6500 years.

[@Geekritique]

I feel like it takes place before Shang-Chi, in March-ish, but I’d be comfortable placing it between Shang-Chi and Falcon. The writers say near Falcon, whereas the producer claims near FFH. Your guess is as good as mine.

[@pinguderpingupenner7020]

You could do a video about the madagascar franchise chronology

[@Geekritique]

I… could lol

[@WaterMeLoan64]

The Worst Timeline Mistake? WHEN WAS PETER PARKER BORN?!?!?! (8 years later in Spider-Man: Homecoming.)

[@Geekritique]

Lol, I gotta make a whole video on Spider-Man errors huh

[@bryzantine1571]

I remember seeing homecoming in theaters. The 8 years later bummed me out. Thought they would fix it for the physical release

[@Geekritique]

Same here. The issue is they also incorporated it into Vulture’s dialogue, so they’d have to do quite a bit of reworking for that.

[@bryzantine1571]

@@Geekritique that too. Maybe they could hav had keaton redub the line. I think it was spoken once

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

I think you should wait till the end of hawkeye to do your new mcu complete timeline 7.0 video, hawkeye add new elements

[@Geekritique]

Good idea.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

@@Geekritique you'll think the same after watching episode 3. Anyway Imma be patiently waiting for your full chronology

[@rayjenkins7211]

So just to clarify for your next timeline, as far as I can tell, Hawkeye is December 2025. In the first episode, a news reporter says it's been years since the last sighting of Ronin. Years, as in plural. That means it's been at least 2 years since Endgame, which was 2023. Secondly, for the amount of time it would've taken for something like Rogers: The Musical to be written, pitched, approved, casted, choreographed, and over put together in universe, 1 year is not enough time for something like that to happen. Lastly, one of the writers of the show did indeed say it takes place in 2025.

[@Geekritique]

There’s signage in some shots saying that New Years 2025 is coming, so that’s the biggest reason we know it takes place in 2024. As far as the news reporter, I can’t say. Maybe he was talking about Ronin’s first sighting in NY in years. Director Rhys Thomas clarified his statement: “It’s 2024. For a period of time, we were going to set it two years out - which would make it 2025 - hence me messing with your minds about the timeline. But it’s 1 year out.”

[@chrisdeal9879]

Stan Lee one is still correct though cause how was he there for Captain America First Avenger? Cause he traveled through time to inform for The Watchers. If he's able to do that then he's able to talk about something that happened two years in the future.

[@Geekritique]

That’s fair! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MatisseTG_5]

I am including Tobey and Andrew's movies on the timeliness just u know in different universes

[@Jellofreeze]

Yeah I switched Thor 2 and Iron Man 3 because of the Disney Plus timeline but it just didn't feel right. Same with Black Widow and Black Panther. Just going to switch them back the way it was before. ( Iron Man 3 then Thor 2 , BW then BP.) Going forward we can consider the Disney Plus timeline as a casual reference that has inaccuracies.

[@Geekritique]

That’s a healthy way of looking at it, just a casual reference.

[@MTAVx2]

I didn’t get completely invested in the MCU until 2016, saw none of phase 1 except Captain America until 2019 and didn’t start focusing on timelines until after Endgame, and even I knew IN THE THEATRE in 2017 that 8 years later didn’t make sense 😂😂

[@Geekritique]

Yeah that was just… how??