10 Reasons You SHOULDN'T Buy A GR86/FRS/BRZ

The Toyota GR86 FRS and BRZ are not known for reliability, straight line speed, or luxury. These are reasons you shouldn't buy one!
But they are also one of the best cheap sports cars you can buy. So in todays video we run through the reasons you shouldn't, and should buy a GR86/FRS/BRZ!
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*Check out the aftermath of us buying the cheapest FRS* 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4DGaZ16r5yBZtk Have you ever wanted a 86? Or do you own one? Would you buy one again? Let us know your thoughts!

[@arx5638]

isn't the GR86 has a 2.4 l enigne? the GT86 had a 2 litre one the GR get bigger enigne.

[@cheetopuffs9570]

Yeah, stop buying these cars! They suck SOOOO MUCH. (I want the prices to go down so I can buy one...)

[@elzo7777]

Shhhhhhhh!!!!!!!Don't tell NOOBODDYYY 🤫🤫

[@josephj807]

Bro is this about the old GT86 or the new GR86 because the GR86 is a great car.

[@pastperformance2285]

Brad and Trav are sure excited about this new project. It’ll be interesting to see the transformation.

[@goosegarage78]

No buy a toyota MR2 spyder instead. Has a better engine

[@lookinlikegeo1825]

I just want the motor for my 16 frs

[@Mach5Johnny]

As a BRZ owner. The only complaints that I do have is the fact that it has a tiny fuel tank, it requires premium fuel, it’s not fast in straight line speed, and I wouldn’t recommend it for 12 hour road trips! Trust me on the that one! Driving from Central California to Idaho definitely isn’t for the faint of heart! Haha

[@advancedfleetmanagementtub3879]

I have a GR86, and I run 400 Km with a fuel tank....

[@Mach5Johnny]

@@advancedfleetmanagementtub3879 damn! That’s abysmally bad!

[@TrojanRabbit521]

BRZ owner I need stretch break every 3 hours but no cramping. So long trips are doable and been in worse rides long distance.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

So glad I went with a Golf GTI.

[@nielp91]

Regular gas works

[@ldcommando1616]

DEFINITELY DO NOT buy them (I want them to depreciate so I can buy one)

[@BCstyle01]

Title is kinda misleading because many of the cons you described are 1st gen issues that were resolved/improved in the 2nd gens.

[@lawnmower6591]

This channel is reqlly clickbaity

[@Jack_myers992]

A lot of the issues are just the fact that this car is a cheap sports car. I wouldn't call them issues, more like style

[@pastperformance2285]

The platform is relatively solid, not bad looking, rwd, cheap and a manual. What could go wrong? Can’t wait to see! Haha

[@wirecxre]

Keep yapping lil bro nothing will stop me from buying these cars and putting a rocket bunny body kit on it(I can’t even afford a 30 dollar game)

[@landersonboi5023]

Lol literally

[@lookinlikegeo1825]

Me with my rocket bunny v1 frs 🧍‍♂️

[@brandoncavazos7965]

i have a 2022 BRZ Manual, very effortable, very slow but my god does it drive one of the best purchases i ever made

[@advancedfleetmanagementtub3879]

I have a GR86 and it´s wondeful, fantastic, exciting!!! The best sport car you can buy, thanks.

[@soldat996]

especially for the price

[@J.R.F.23]

I "ordered" a 2024 BRZ Limited which has 18" improved tires, slightly more HP and improved torque. I am so looking forward to getting it ! It's the first car I wanted more than needed! A bit of retirement present to myself :)

[@TrojanRabbit521]

Congrats I did same getting a 22 BRZ. I have to exercise to get in & out but so worth it. Amazing car. Remove thick particulate filter & gain 10-15 hp. 😉

[@dustinwright3064]

They designed the trunk with the seats down to be able to fit a set of track tires

[@lookinlikegeo1825]

Bought mine at 30k miles for 20k, its now at 118k miles just barely changed coil packs and injectors like last week. Its drifted regularly and redlined every single drive. Ive gone through 1 clutch and taught 3 ppl to drive manual in it aswell as learning to drift. Its now widebody fbo ethanol tuned (really wakes the car up) and gutted. Solid car so far suprized it hasnt blown yet ive tried 😂

[@kecikmiao3930]

im not a modder guy.. i would buy this n drive it as a daily easily.. as it is waaaaay more practical than my previous car.. i use to daily a toyota MR-S (spyder for u US folks)

[@christopherlowery855]

What do I hate about the FRS? Boxer engine. That's right, I said it. Work on it, you'll see why. What do I love about the FRS? RWD. Its also pretty basic, which is nice. No giant iPad dash here. All in all, it could be worse. It could be an RX-8. Looking forward to those upgrades and track days. Cheers.

[@mirandapanda]

I have a 16 Scion with only 53k, and I absolutely love it! Modifying is easy as hell, with some sick rims, to custom painting the trim, installing a fiber optic headliner, or installing a custom exhaust to engine mods with an array of aftermarket manufacturers it's just simple. I take it to car shows and the old timers love it too!😁

[@asadhussain1974]

You guys are lucky to have these types of cars in your country. In my country only rich can have those because they're way too expensive here and we cannot even buy a used car here they're too expensive as hell.Due to heavy taxes 😢 So always be happy for what you have.👍🏻

[@dyaanahmad5079]

That's nothing A 100 dollar is equal to 28 500 in my area

[@marcbeebee6969]

Hey germany needs train operators. Apply now

[@efactor1984]

Did a long road trip from NC to the west end of TX. Blew a transmission solenoid, replaced. My headlight took a nice hit and broke on the highway. Fun times. So far I still have mine being the OP for 9 years with a turbocharger. Never selling mine or trading.

[@TheSuburban15]

Same head unit that I have in my car. No touchscreen means I can grope for buttons without looking away from the road.

[@CheeksMcGillicutty]

Omfg lol i didn't know these had backseats 😂4:37

[@xXxcliniclyinsanexXx]

My gf has a 2013 BRZ with a 2017 gt86 bumper looks really good

[@crazykidjumps]

Only the cargo space and seats apply to GR86/BRZ, the rest of the issues they fixed thankfully

[@Fenix_Lifestyle]

I bought a hand me down from my brother a 2013 Scion FRS, though it has hail damage on the outside. I'm planning to build it up.

[@MrJuly151995]

I feel, how you feel with this year of head cold and sinusitis issues.

[@vmmramos]

Thing about the fuel pump chirp is that probably it isn't mounted straight to the head, and the high pressure fuel lines are long and do not have enough supporting points, seen that on other cars. But it really doesn't affects operation

[@anthonyholmes5704]

My 2013 scion frs. Sparco rims p225/40r18. Flowmaster delta force cold air intake. New oil pan. New factory oe front exhaust with catalytic convertor. Spec -d tuning exhaust. Ecu performance tune. I had the headers removed. The car was extremely loud. Couldn't hear my radio and my wife couldn't stand it. Frs has great gas mileage. From myrtle beach to Maryland on one tank of gas. I had no torque dip my scion frs was a daily driver.

[@danmac6185]

I drive a vb WRX currently. I live in Canada and it checked just enough of the practicality boxes to make it my daily driver. In the future I plan to get my hands on a BRZ/86 and make it my project car. Being an air maintenance engineer, I'll probably go the all motor route and upgrade the internals.

[@agrippa1234]

Funny, we owned (new) a 1990 Subaru Loyale Wagon (MT) and later, a 1993 Legacy (AT); BOTH had oil starvation problems in turns (and nothing sporting) which lead both to have new oil pans (with baffles) to be installed under recalls

[@yournexthokage7658]

some things u forgot to mention abt this car are the fact it has a perfect 50/50 weight distribution and weights less than a porsche 911 gt3rs, so with tuned suspension, camber, and a good set of tires u can out corner a porshe

[@brent9369]

what kit does the gr86 have in the thumbnail?

[@muscle_car_guy2338]

You certainly need to get that boxer engine the exhaust system it deserves and make it sound a lot more like a wrx

[@salimrandall]

Insurance is crazy though.

[@robchapman6567]

I love my FRS...small gas tank though

[@sethlozeau2962]

I honestly like the 86’s and you didn’t do half bad with this one. My only gripe with Toyota and Subaru for these cars (and why I never bought one) is the same complaint that most gear heads have. They have a perfectly awesome STI engine readily available that would turn these cars into absolute screamers, but nope. 200hp it is. 👎🏻

[@CPT_Haddock__]

owning a 2017 Yellow Series.. it's great.. but eats up tires like crazyand YEAH the fuel tank IS SMALL but if I had to mod the car... big fuel cell in the trunk and tadaaaaaaa who needs a trunk in a sports car anywayy

[@joelbautista5047]

I’m Confused 😂 A lot of your Other Videos Say to Buy this Car 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@tleoipl37]

They’ll be the next s chassis in 10-15 years

[@Dud3itsj3ff]

The tires are supposed to slip.. it’s so you can get the rear end out easier! I definitely upgraded tho… grip plz 😅

[@Treaxvour]

You guys are still bringing up the ONE guy that had an oil starvation issue in 2 years of the car being taken to track by every other owner with no issues? Ok.

[@marcbeebee6969]

Fix the cig spot with glue and those little Flusses from the black socks. And cut what stands over.

[@AllanDelosReyes]

Toyota should’ve put the last gen of Beams engine on it.

[@mr.sophistication6619]

I LOVE IT

[@filthy_gordito1129]

I have 2013, never did the recall, drove it from 70k to 100k miles, still no issues

[@stevef3521]

Same here. Mine’s got 158k

[@jefftassi825]

I’m at 279000!

[@luvadougla]

Trav doing the daddy doug is why we come here

[@jrod1577]

Audiophile here: You can't "fix" the sound system in any BRZ/FRS/GT86/GB86 with a new sound system. Its only about 10% of the problem. The main 90% is just unavoidable light weight sports car problems. Thin sheet metal vibrates like crazy, amplifying the sound of tire and wind noises in the car and allowing bass to escape the car. The best fix is to add small patches of sound deadening in key areas such as inside the doors, roof, floor, transmission tunnel and wheel wells(from the inside). This can make even the cheapest sound systems sound like studio quality. These cars don't have bad speakers, just bad acoustics. BUT, that would add a out 100lbs to the car which would be undesirable to most people.

[@flower5153]

Why do you believe that Toybaru put a 12.5:1 compression engine with double injection? To run it with 91/93 octane.? If you are near an E85 pump, fill it up and put in a new tune and adjust the AFR. It won't be a Porsche GT3 but it will wake up the car.

[@justinrobinson5381]

So here’s the plan boys, we’re gonna rb swap it with a single spoolie boi, put it on air with a nice drag pack and a young dolph wrap

[@AFwitchdoctor]

Now it's the time to buy these cars. A car guy told me this is the new gen 240sx. Once it gets older and they stop making this platform it's gonna be expensive cause you know(drift tax)

[@Tyrgoth99]

RTV has no direct connection to oil starvation on the new gen. Yes there's a little that gets caught in the pickup screen, but it doesn't block the flow, and has nothing to do with blown engines. The cause is well established at this point and there are a few workarounds including products in development to fix it. Don't waste time on oil pan baffles as they can make the issue worse. Do some research, and you'll find that these guys are talking about theoretical stuff that's many months out of date (and not supported by people doing actual testing on tracks). Blown engines are from high rev, high g long right turns that get some oil caught in the upper/mid galleys of the engine, resulting in slow oil return, and air gets pulled up instead. That's it.

[@Wowezzersdozzers]

Once you go wide and sticky you lose that ability to slide easily, easily with only 200hp stock. I'm FBO with coilovers and the works and have 255 200tw tires and while I can fly around turns at supercar speeds I am literally unable to slide my car around since it just doesn't make the power to do so. Rear seats aren't to fool insurance companies. They don't just look at it and say gosh darn it you got us, it is must not be a sports car due to the rear seats. Or that it is any less dangerous. They figure out everywhere possible to squeeze the most money from you. The rear seats are simply there to make the car a bit more practical everyday. You can fit people you hate back there, use it for extra storage, and you can also fold the backseats down for even more room. And its predecessor (AE86) had them.

[@jasonmillington4344]

But I really want one….😂

[@roryj625]

it’s just like working on a bmw, because it’s like the BMW 3 series of sports cars

[@lilchu7336]

Yet ppl want to shit on Supra for being a reliable sports car

[@Adones09]

Is the GR86/FRS/BRZ the Japanese Mustang? I never knew it was so "squirrely" .

[@2fast2try]

I wanted one of these when i was 18... Bought a 08 acura tl instead.. Im glad i did not buy one 😂 honestly i regret selling the tl 😭 its the ONLY fwd car i would buy again.

[@troytrick3325]

I never drove one but I want one I love how they look and how they're rwd

[@user-cn3sg7em3d]

Have a 2013 model. Trouble free motoring on a budget compared to many other cars out there. Wheels are the worst feature of the car, but an 18 fixes that.

[@iiarskii]

How many miles are you at ?

[@user-cn3sg7em3d]

Currently on over 155k

[@jaylytes3400]

I still want one 😫

[@exothermal.sprocket]

You only need 1 reason to avoid the Toyobaru 86: the stupid flat-4 engine configuration.

[@thinkingimpaired5663]

I wonder if Toyota sells your vehicle use like GM on Camaros to insurance companies.

[@abingeorge9228]

The only 2 REAL complains I have with this car is that it takes premium gas and has mediocre fuel economy. People who complain about the power are missing the whole point of the car, and have many other options for power.

[@guitarboyjeff]

The issue is that these engines are designed in an H. Not in line and of course not a V. So working on them kind of sucks.

[@christopherlowery855]

Yeah it does

[@Tooooooneitup]

lol ones I’m seeing in the car communities are 2jz swapped

[@daganlott2032]

400,000 recalls, 12 hour laborious job. What is Subaru’s issue 💀 I always hear about reliability issues with their engines. ALSO, why did Toyota choose SUBARU of all brands to make their engine. Toyota is supposed to be reliable and all about longevity. I get it was a financial/business move to obtain a share of the company but man it would’ve been nice for the engine to be a real, reliable, Toyota. I would still buy one 😏

[@iiarskii]

It’s still fairly reliable lol

[@daganlott2032]

@@iiarskii Ahh I see, I’ve heard their reliability has gotten better recently. I guess it’s all in how the owner treats it but it can’t take a beating like a Toyota or Honda. But I have to say Subarus are pretty neat since they are standard with AWD

[@dcgaming2334]

i got a 2024 gr86 does mine have issues too?

[@d00fin]

oil starvation

[@mrracerno]

Just picked up a 2012 86 few months ago, and its one amazing drift toy.

[@robelmurph]

I have a 2020 trd 86 ive owned for 4 years, and it's been fully moded and supercharged for over a year with no issues. Just dont skip your maintenance and dont be a cheap bitch on after market parts and its a great car.

[@CapeFilms]

The reason the Camrys are faster is because they make 215hp and are front wheel drive lol so little to no drive train loss

[@bellerophon9116]

Insurance isn't cheaper due to having a back seat. Insurance companies aren’t stupid. The actuarily assess the risk of the driver and area in which the driver lives against the cost of repairs and or replacement in the event of a total loss. They take down your vehicle’s VIN to know what trim level and or other features your car has from the factory. A two + 2 sports car is not going to be in the same class as a family sedan😂

[@BOBimusRex]

You want a car thats OVER built. A car with room to grow. To me, that means a naturally aspirated v6 or v8, with an engine that can handle boost out of the box. With these you have to start with an engine swap, then boost it, plus reinforcing everything else in the car, cuz it was never meant to have actual power. 4 cyl's are a no-go for me.

[@Julianklaus]

This is not a fair review for the GR86. All these “issues” mentioned are for the first gen. 2nd gen is awesome!!

[@morrisdc5814]

just dont buy a 2013, my intake valve spring just broke on the pass side and now toyota is paying for a nee head. Its nice i dont have to pay anything but im out of a car for a week plus

[@Warzonemobile2024.]

I love my Bmw M4🥰

[@leej2311]

What’s going on? Is this the car you don’t buy or is this the car you Do Buy

[@LOLA6ifyable]

I own a facelifted 2020 BRZ , love it! The engine is a weakspot of this car for sure , but all the rest of it is great. Even the intirior is decent in the 2020 BRZ with semi-digital dash and some soft matrials . Love it , love it , love it! I plan on getting a GR86/ 2nd gen BRZ in a year or so , or just modify mine , but it's a fantastic car.

[@artblackwood7936]

It's not the RTV. Nope.

[@ThaKenMan]

I just want the chassis so I canK swap it

[@harrygregory6227]

i would v12 swap it with an m120 v12

[@diamond5hotguy]

Did u gain don't weight,? 😂😂🎉 good job anyways

[@num-nutz5949]

Lexus SC brings more value

[@rickprime83]

these are mostly GT86 issues, not GR86. You are very misleading

[@TheMoukis]

It's even worse than Scotty Kilmer said.

[@R19Robbin]

It's a great looking car but soooooooo slow 😂😂

[@Scorpion-wy8jy]

Rip out that Suby motor and put in an Ls

[@goosegarage78]

Thoughts on toysub 86? Has looks that the engine cant back up its claims. Throw away the subaru and swap in a 2ZZ. Revs like a banshee. Then it will make a terrible car: less terrible. And gets rid of the subaru amagamation issues.

[@joshosbouren5719]

Prius tires go hard

[@dynadoo6430]

miata better

[@djblc2201]

OMG really ?

[@BigStik2007]

I owned one for a few days. When it rains it's an experience to drive and not a good one. There is no space inside for anything including Sun glasses. Fun for a kid but not a daily driver

[@beysarj3102]

😸

[@PlayJay-M]

Do not buy this car. So i can buy one.

[@user-wm3fc1sk1p]

11:31 Unsubscribed.😡

[@rocko_M]

That backseat sucks! Youre getting no action in there 😂!

[@Doritos-7]

First

[@anveshrao0259]

sup.. pin me

[@JoaoBarq]

You mean GT86

[@toddaulner5393]

Just buy a used Camaro or Mustang. Same mpg and more better.

[@snakes5506]

The best upgrade is to engine swap, because the car looks nice but the engine is 💩...

[@melissasmess2773]

I’ve been a mechanic for 35 years and owned four Subarus, just no on this 💩

[@BIMONLAKI]

Yeahhhh gr86 sucks stop buying them

[@Corpsed_]

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