10 Star Wars "Plot-Holes" That Really Aren't

[@ValentinaTepedino]

But it was implied. Leia says “they let us go”, and they did, put a homing beacon on the Falcon that led them to find the rebel base in Yavin.

[@grantt1589]

The stormtroopers where actually so inaccurate because they where not shooting to kill on the death star. They did such a good job at hiding it most of the Fandom still thinks they are incompetent

[@HerbertAckermans]

@@grantt1589 The opening scene of A New Hope has been analysed and it shows that Stormtroopers are in fact, extreme well skilled marksmen. Their hit ratio in the boarding of the Tantive IV is far, far superior than anything humans have shown capable of. Their lack of aim is the myth. Even Obi-Wan testifies to this when they find the sandcrawler, stating that the hits are too precise to be from Sandpeople.

[@emogamer96]

Beat me to it. There is further evidence to this, Battle of Hoth (Won by the Empire with heavy casualties to the Rebellion.) And Leia got shot on Endor.

[@runlarryrun77]

@@HerbertAckermans "These blast points, far too accurate for Sand People. Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise."

[@runlarryrun77]

@@emogamer96 Plenty of Ewoks got wasted too, they definitely weren't aiming off during that battle.

[@TheAbstruseOne]

An easier explanation for why the technology looks more advanced in the prequel trilogy: The OT takes place on shithole planets. Tatooine, Yavin, Hoth, and Endor aren't exactly the hub of the galaxy. In fact, it's the point of each of them - Tatooine is a remote location heavily involved in smuggling which is why Leia was headed there with the plans, Yavin is a temporary base set up in ancient ruins and Hoth is a world that is barely able to support life which make them great locations for a secret rebel base trying to hide, and Endor is the secret construction grounds of the second Death Star so of course it's out in the middle of nowhere. Meanwhile, in the prequels, we see some of the most densely-populated, well-traveled, and affluent planets in the galaxy. Coruscant (where most of that footage comes from) is the capital of the Republic, Kamino is a high-tech cloning facility, Naboo whole provincial was still an important enough trading hub that the Trade Federation's blockade was important enough to send a Jedi Master and his apprentice to negotiate. If you compare New York City, Tokyo, and Venice to a town that has a population that barely breaks triple digits in Alabama, a truck stop fueling station in the middle of the Australian Outback, an Antarctic research post, and a farming village in Kenya...yeah, those first ones are going to look like technological marvels compared to the latter ones.

[@Lernos1]

Yes, but it's also talking about stuff like cutting edge technology like Star Destroyers and Death Stars. You can't get away from the fact that Death Star is operated by many humans who push literal physical buttons on consoles. So it does look outdated compare to the prequels, and the only explanation for this is, indeed, that it only *looks* outdated. Maybe the Emperor liked that style more too, idk.

[@ya33a]

If you look at the current crop of 'New' luxury cars, many have 'buttons' to push, along with the touch screens, the reason being you can 'intuitively' switch something off and on and it is more robust, a screen can glutch, need rebooting or fail, how would that work out, trying to get a tech to replace a screen switch as you need to power up a stage of your planet destroying energy beam, instead of pushing a button and opening a slide swich, which in effect could be bypassed or swapped out in seconds if needed, due to battle damage/malfunction.... Worth considering.

[@alanmacdonald1457]

i just finished making a similar point and saw yours, i would only add also that the republic has been destroyed so that would result in many places devolving

[@steverempel8584]

The Empire having a more industrial feel than the Republic, and the planets being backwaters make perfect sense. That's what I always thought while watching the movies. In the prequels, Tatooine didn't have that advanced technology anywhere, neither did Jakku in the sequels. The low tech original series plothole only really exists for Bespin in my mind, but it isn't a big deal.

[@mattd6931]

@@ya33a Not to mention that even today, Military hardware is designed around being simple to use under stress (ie. combat). Ergo - it often relies on big, easily pressed buttons etc (usable while also wearing gloves), and is usually very utilitarian in design when compared to much more flashy flashy civilian tech.

[@ParaNoid816]

I also have to point out that the Ewoks have an incredibly violent culture. Including ritual sacrifice, cannibalism, and extensive practice with guerrilla warfare. Definitely not just little teddies.

[@GhostBear3067]

@Topi Oksanen true we never see it but it would not surprise me at all if different Ewok tribes waged war on one another and victors ate the losers like some Amazon peoples and the Maori.

[@annoyedbipolar7424]

in our first encounters with them, they literally capture and/or attempt to eat three of the main characters. That's just what we saw in the movie. That's why I support sustainable Ewok hunting; Humanity First.

[@chinchinlovs6563]

Just play battlefront 2 to understand their savagery

[@dammitdan83]

@Topi Oksanen that’s not playing devil’s advocate… that’s just being a pedant.

[@rangerleaf1505]

Also stormtrooper armor really is not super protective

[@lostbutfreesoul]

Keeping a similar name also has another reason: Humans make mistakes, and one of the most common for someone in hiding would be to react to your old name being spoken. By making your new name sound similar to your old name, it becomes a lot easier to play off these mistakes as nothing more then mishearing. As the first part of the original name also sounding like a set of initials, O.B. , the new name having those same initials also takes on an additional level of misdirection here. If Old Ben accidently responds to the short name of Obi, he has multiple ways to claim this as nothing more then an old man with bad hearing.

[@camwyn256]

This is a brilliant point. I love it

[@theexchipmunk]

Its also a good version of hiding in plain sight. Who the hell would expect the smart clone wars general hiding on Tatooine of all places under basically nearly the same name? Nah, just a coincidence.

[@edf7135]

But how often would the name kebobi come up on Tatooine ?

[@marktheaverageperson7022]

@@edf7135 if someone is discussing the clone wars or the jedi?

[@zak2153]

Another point to that is that if his last name is very common then it's even safer to keep using it, a point that was addressed in one of the books that follow his time on tattooine. If the name kenobi is super common no one will look twice at it beyond maybe being like "hey he has the same name as that one general" assuming they even know about him. it's a large galaxy and, though he may be well known in military and political circles, the average person probably couldn't even tell you who their planet's senator is much less some general.

[@maximillion322]

On the subject of “technology going backwards” The original trilogy takes place on a distant desert planet, a distant tundra planet, a deserted swamp planet, a jungle inhabited primarily by low tech ewoks, and a handful of obscure outposts. Meanwhile the prequel trilogy takes place on some of the richest planets in the galaxy, and told not from the perspective of scrappy rebels but from the elite law enforcers of the republic. OF COURSE the prequel technology is more advanced. Richer, more developed areas are going to have better technology than distant outposts.

[@ZGtx]

Also technology can very well regress to a lesser state. A lot of Roman technology was lost after it fell.

[@anonymous36247]

Also there was a GALACTIC CIVIL WAR. If you lived in Georgia in the 1850s and you visited again in the 1860s, you'd be like "Where did all the train technology go? They used to have trains and now they don't. This is so unrealistic!" Come on. Factories got blown up and companies went under as the Empire came to power. The government was repressive and denied the existence of some religions. Is it so implausible that some technology would be lost or eliminated for the sake of control? Heck, it's pretty much been canon since the 1st movie that there used to be cloning technology and now there's not, or at least we don't see any. War is destructive. That's the point.

[@MrTWICETHEPRESHA]

That’s a nice argument and all but doesn’t explain the Death Star and Star Destroyers. They were the cutting edge of Empire technology and clearly look like archaic and clunky interpretations of what is advanced. Yes you can argue that some features like the death ray are obviously more advanced but you’re glossing over the elephant in the room. The reality is that the original trilogy was from a time when people’s vision of what space technology looked like was completely different to now in the 21st Century. Throw in the limitations of film production in the 70/80s and you have your real-world answers. Not everything has to be explained in a lore-friendly way.

[@maximillion322]

@@MrTWICETHEPRESHA What you're saying is "if the empire's technology is so advanced, why does it have a different aesthetic sense?" The Death Star and Star Destroyers are WAY more advanced than what they had in the prequels. They just have a more retro aesthetic. And just because there's an out of universe reason doesn't mean there can't also be a lore reason.

[@CojaGamez]

@@MrTWICETHEPRESHA What? The imperial army is far more technologically advanced than the Republic army was

[@themadladorian4364]

3:23 Yes, it was. Tarkin: "Are they away?" Vader: "They've just made a jump into hyperspace." Tarkin: "...and you're sure the homing beacon is secure onboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work."

[@miketaterparker]

Before that when the falcon is captured by the death Star, Vader says to Tarkin that the crew were probably trying to return the stolen plans to Leia. He then adds that she may yet be of some use to them, possibly the genesis of the homing device plan.

[@brianstrutter1501]

This

[@cedmo8]

Also as someone who has recently taken up the hobby of airsoft, I can say from experience shooting from the hip is only significantly detrimental if you CAN'T see and trace your shots, not an issue for slow-moving, bright red light.

[@psoma_brufd]

Furthermore we see *two* earlier cases of precision shots only capable of being made by good shots. Obi-Wan's comments to Luke about the Sandcrawler and literally the first scene of the film! Despite the rebels having a somewhat covered position and guns trained on the entry with only one or two stormtroopers able to enter at a time, they annhilate the rebels, taking a mere two casualties compared to all the rebels! The real explanation of why they can't aim at main characters is the Force which makes sense because 99% of the time there is a freaking force user there! (For the record I count Han among that number.)

[@MrZackavelli]

@@cedmo8 You're comparing airsoft pellets with blaster bolts?

[@MauricioJara]

Additionaly to Number 6, lets remember that in the Prequels, the small ships like the Jedi starfighters require a hyperdrive ring in order to go into hyperdrive, but in the Original Trilogy, small ships like X-Wings can go into hyperdrive without a hyperdrive ring.

[@VikingTeddy]

Jedi star fighters are much smaller than X-wings. Adding a hyperdrive to it would be at the cost of mobility. Same thing for Tie-fighters. Additionally, the Jedi starfighters were designed to be as light as possible, without components a normal human would need.

[@battlesheep2552]

@@VikingTeddy yeah, Jedi Starfighters are basically just a cockpit with engines and blasters bolted on, they're suprisingly tiny

[@pretzelbomb6105]

And yet after the fall of the Empire a rinky dink garage in the Outer Rim is maintaining a hyperdrive in an N1, a high-end starfighter smaller than an A-wing which did originally come with a hyperdrive but would still require highly specialized custom parts to work.

[@deathsheir2035]

@@VikingTeddy A-Wings are about the same size as the Delta-7 and ETA-2 (Delta-7 Shown in Attack of the Clones, ETA-2 Revenge of the Sith). A-wings have Hyperdrive installed, and are shielded, unlike the Delta-7 and ETA-2., neither of which have Shields or a Hyperdrive installed. So the A-wings are proof of technological advancement in either shielding, Hyperdrive, or engines, or all 3 at once.

[@VikingTeddy]

@@deathsheir2035 Jedi starfighters could fit a hyperdrive yes. But they are purposefully built as stripped down as possible. The hyperdrive ring is itself very small, it doesn't mean anything.

[@StainedSteelOG]

Actually yes, the stormtroopers did let them escape. Leia says “they let us go” sense they were tracking the ship. So they let them escape so they could figure out where the rebel base was at.

[@TokyoXtreme]

“She might still be of some use to us.” - Lord Voldemort, The Two Towers

[@melnik_edits]

its also dumb what he said with the helmet is hard to see through, and they shoot from the hip, that all dumb, the helmet provides Night vision and thermal vision, best you can have, and blasters have no recoil, i already shot with night vision and IR laser, you can shoot from the hip and hit... stormtrooper blasters are linked with the helmet, so they can shoot like a laser sight is mounted...

[@Cheesusful]

@@melnik_edits my interpretation was luke didn't know how to turn on the helmets optics

[@stoopidapples1596]

They were let go, but the stormtroopers weren’t just trying to miss them. Vader likely restricted reinforcements from coming, but the stormtroopers close by still joined on the commotion and attacked them regardless.

[@av.punk.801]

@@melnik_edits it's shown in Rebels, Rex, ONE OF THE MOST SKILLED MARKSMAN OF THE OLD 501ST, is unable to hit shots, quips about the helmet being shit, then takes it off and nails every shot

[@mikicoal]

The parsec one was actually solved back in 1977 when it first came out. He was just saying something that sounded cool to impress what he assumed was a stupid kid and a space hobo, to try and upsell the transport. It's in the screenplay that Ben reacts to Han's obvious misinformation, and we see that onscreen.

[@icecold9511]

It was accidentally a correct statement

[@dercooney]

@@icecold9511 nah, it was just scamming

[@knightwolfpro4494]

People really do try to over explain simple things, just go with the simple explanation and be done. We don't really need the parsec explained, like you said, Han misspoke trying to sound impressive. Simple explanation that makes sense for a scoundrel.

[@honorableintent]

Yeah, too many other people made assumptions that it was wrong, and then a bunch of expanded content was made to try to make him retroactively correct, even though the point was that he was bullshitting.

[@iapetusmccool]

The problem is, obiwan reacts sceptically, like if someone claimed to have run a marathon in under an hour. Whereas what Han said is more like claiming to have run a marathon in under 10 miles.

[@Mr.E723]

Luke piloting an X-wing in the attack on the Death Star makes perfect sense, even from a real world point of view. During the Battle of Britain, British rookie British pilots were sent into combat with only a few weeks of training in many cases, because they had no other choice. In Star Wars, the rebels are seconds away from annihilation, so to have an already trained pilot just show up, of course your gonna use him, especially if he has a friend who can vouch for him. (Fun fact. There is a documentary available right here on KZbin on the Battle of Britain that dives into how these aforementioned pilots trained hosted by none other the Ewan McGregor, I highly recommend it)

[@Revkor]

and even not including the deleted scene. Luke mention's bullseying womprats in his T-16 and given our world designations not hard to see them built by the same company. and in addition he had time to study the layout of the craft. also the force

[@fyreblazters]

I'd say that piloting ships in Star wars is just like knowing how to Drive in real life. Also the X-wing is known for having a simple control scheme that could be easily learnt by anyone; and this, the T-16 and X-wing share the same manufacturer and control scheme

[@think4181]

I also remember a book that said he trained in a simulator, getting the highest score in just the few hours he had in it. Though that book has probably been de-canonized.

[@kazegakun]

@@think4181 You might be thinking about the novelization of A New Hope that also got adapted into an audio drama/audio book. There's a bunch of stuff in it that's probably legends canon nowadays, sadly.

[@Keiranhalycon]

Also the X-Wing is manufactured by Incom, the same as his T-16 Skyhopper at home. The controls would probably be similar and would be easy for Luke to adapt to using

[@danielgengler4342]

Another for the Ewoks, if I may quote my grandfather: "Never underestimate a pointed stick." Doesn't matter advanced your blaster is, if you get a sharp stick shoved into you, you're going to have a bad time. Plus those traps where already set up of to prevent Gorax attacks.

[@ghostnappa2012]

And in the words of Shad Brooks: GET STICK!

[@jedironin380]

Reminds me of this joke: A caveman comes across a dwarf next to a dead Mastadon. He says, "Did you kill it?" The dwarf says, "Yes, I killed it with my club." "How big is your club?!" "Oh, there's about 40 of us in it!" :D

[@Archangelglenn]

Also the ewoks might be referred to as little teddy bears. Which is fine cute and cuddly...till you realize one thing. That little body is jammed back with muscles. I mean a human might tower over a black bear...but in a contest of strength...that bear's going to win every time. I mean have you seen how fast they can climb a tree. A bear no matter what size is easily two to three times as strong as the strongest human. To say nothing of the nearly ten times the amount of strenght in something the size of grizzly or polar bear. So yeah with a simple rock I could honestly believe these little guys could murder modern guys in armor.

[@nicholashodges201]

I would like to see that entire sequence shot from the stormtrooper's perspective. In the actual film *we see* all the Ewoks and Rebels doing their "magic" which is what causes this assumption. But from their "certain point of view" they were basking in post win after glow when the goddamn bushes started attacking them ALL at the same time. The actual fighting probably took less time than it does to watch the sequence on film. Much of that was happening at the same time with no point where the Ewoks weren't getting the soldiers either alone or in pairs & out number by a decent margin.

[@Leopoldshark]

Eric Idle: What about point-ed sticks? John Cleese: Shut up!

[@VoxVeritas1776]

Even Leia mentions how easy their escape was and that they were allowed to get away. Funny how you ignored this

[@darthdenn1s]

You mention that Tarkin allowed the Falcon to escape the Death Star, while in the previous entry you say that there's no line of dialogue to imply that. Which there is. Tarkin did give the order.

[@bigwhopper6501]

That stuck out to me too, this guy doesn't know shit

[@yashaleo7]

Tarkin knew and planned it. But does that mean every stormtrooper would know it? Tarkin would broadcast a plan to let them go for anyone to intercept? Someone clearly knew not to send every ship in the base to shoot it down or to send their best. But it doesn’t make sense everyone would know this plan.

[@jsutton0010]

He means The stormtroopers wouldn't have known to let Chewie, Han, Leia and Luke escape.

[@FormulaFox]

@@jsutton0010 But they would have - they have comlinks in their gear, so it would be easy for Tarkin to give the order to every Trooper that would be involved in the ruse.

[@jsutton0010]

@@FormulaFox Then what was the point of sending the 4 Tie fighters, to attack the Falcon?

[@gooddog2001]

The troopers missing on the death star, Tarkin said "Are you sure the homing device is secure upon their ship?" So they intentionally let them go(Leia said).

[@rondutertre3367]

And also they can't see anything in their helmet. Remember when Rex dressed up as one to sneak in. When the fight broke out he couldn't hit anything, until he took his helmet off then he started killing everyone with one hit each.

[@War450]

@@rondutertre3367 That's non-canon. That's Filoni being an idiot and injecting non-canon memes into his shows. Stormtroopers could see perfectly fine out of their helmets and were some of the most precise marksmen in the galaxy. At no point in any of the original movies did they even remotely HINT that stormtroopers were bad shots nor that they couldn't see. Some off-hand remark by a kid who is, and I quote "a little short to be a stormtrooper" wearing a stolen helmet that was not designed to be worn by him does not mean all stormtroopers have trouble seeing.

[@rondutertre3367]

@@War450 also when Luke put on the helmet when he and Han went to save Leia. He even said that he can't see anything.

[@War450]

@@rondutertre3367 Yeah, HE can't see a thing. Helmet wasn't made for him. He wasn't authorized to use it. If I go put on some stolen riot police helmet and it's too big and covers my eyes does that mean all riot cops are blinded by their helmets? Don't be stupid and don't believe in stupid 'canon'.

[@Metrious]

No matter how you slice it, the fact that every movie the stormtroopers are shown as being poor shots for the most part and not just on the first Death Star. No matter the order it should have meant that the rest of the time they shot very well. It appears that they would have still been clones. Afterwhile the clone programming was growing weak and their aim was suffering as a result. It was a small problem when they had millions of troops, so it was never corrected. If you add in the additional knowledge of Fin and others in the sequel trilogy, not the prequel, they were using people instead of clones, most likely because the technology had degraded to a point where it was unusable.

[@shannonmcstormy5021]

As a general rule, I dislike having my "Suspension of Disbelief" impaired. That said, Lucas and company never were assured of the original film's success. They were limited in budget, time and still managed to create the profound phenomenon that became Star Wars. I for one am astounded and grateful they did the job they did, creating a (for me) life changing series of films. I remember coming out of the theater after watching Star Wars at age like 13, and looking up at the stars....differently than I had prior to seeing the movie. The original movie had such a powerful affect on our culture that it created the phenomenon of repeatedly watching a movie over and over in a relatively short time span. While I was never one of those that saw Star Wars 20-30 times, I did watch it perhaps a half-dozen times in the theater, something I had never done before and have rarely done since. Thus, using 20/20 hindsight to poke holes in the continuity of the saga, given later movies is, IMO, unfair. It's also a questionable activity. I mean, what's the point? What enjoyment is gained from taking a magnifying lens to a story, especially the first movie, given the magnitude of their creation and the enormity of the constraints they were under. Star Wars was society changing and this is not hyperbole or an overly dramatic statement. I suggest letting particularly the original movie stand, take a step back, and just appreciate the accomplishment of those that were involved in wonder, gratitude and amazement. .

[@LucianDevine]

For starters, to look so deep into material to find plot holes, continuity mistakes, etc, you likely need to like the content, because you are pouring over hours of movie footage looking for and thus finding said things. Secondly, you can enjoy something and still point out it's flaws. No movie is truly perfect. At some point somebody has to make an illogical/stupid decision to either kick start the plot or prolong the story. The trick is to try and do it as organically as possible, pending the genre of movie. In a horror movie for example, some dumb idiot is going to go check out the sound that the wnd definitely did not make. The killer instantly kills the expendable people, but for some reasons gets too close to the "final girl", goes for a slower method of killing, or some other thing that allows said person to get away. That's where standard suspension of disbelief comes in. The less a movie makes you suspend, unless it's a parody, the better, for the most part, but every movie naturally requires at least a little.

[@Dargonhuman]

Most people who are doing this aren't doing it out of spite or maliciousness - for the majority, they do it for fun and enjoy the process of theory-crafting possible explanations to make plotholes work.

[@Noreceipts400]

I think people also like to throw the term plot hole around a lot. Just because it isnt explicitly explained, doesnt mean its a plot hole. For these "plot holes" top have not existed there wouldve been a lot of pointless explanation that had no relevance to the actual story. Also, there movies they always have stuff like this

[@kaxtorplose]

Still. The Death Star could have simply vaporized Yavin, instantly exposing the rebel base on Yavin four, one of the moons of Yavin. Hell, the destruction of an entire gas giant planet probably would have taken out all of the moons, simply as a side effect of the enormity of the energy released, thereby destroying the rebel base on Yavin 4 as a mere consequence.

[@peytongonavy]

@@kaxtorplose I thought that too, but maybe they wanted to save the resources. They might have a use for that gas. Edit: These are the conversations you can only have on a plot-hole hunt.

[@HighHeelKnight]

9 = Darth Sideous is the ultimate master of the Dark Side after 1,000 generations of the Sith living in hiding. He was so wise, powerful, disciplined, cunning, and manipulative that he was able to literally hide in plain sight amongst the Jedi council. The man also knows how to manipulate the Republic, the Separatists, the Jedi Council, Padme, Jar Jar, Dooku, and Anakin to his advantage. He arranged the creation of the clone army right under the Council's noses. He is the final form of "a wolf in sheep's clothing." Furthermore, the Jedi are mistrustful of all politicians, including valued allies like Padme. The leader of the Galactic Republic, regardless of political track record or affiliation, would garner the most distrust by the Jedi. Therefore, whatever bad vibes the Council might sense would be chalked up to natural suspicion of the biggest politician in office. 8 = In a galaxy with names like Mace Windu, Sheev Palpatine, Jar Jar Binks, Lando Calrissian, Chewbacca, Padme Amidala, Shmi Skywalker, Boba Fett, Lobot, Wedge Antilles, Gail Ackbar, and Asajj Ventress, the average outer rim citizen probably isn't going to notice a name like Ben Kenobi. (If anything "Ben" would be stick out more than Kenobi.) Even though Obi-Wan Kenobi was on the Jedi Council and a general during the Clone Wars, he wouldn't have been well known in the outer rim territories. It would be like if the United States lost the Civil War to the South, and General Ulysses S Grant - born Hiram Ulysses Grant - went into exile in Australia and changed his name to Herman Grant. The average Australian wouldn't take a second glance. 5 = THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! There was also the facts that the Ewoks vastly outnumbered the Storm Troopers. They had the surprise advantage as well as the literal home field advantage. Ewoks were a technologically privative culture, but they were no strangers to ground warfare and guerilla tactics. They were basically an army of tiny furry Rambos.

[@brianstrutter1501]

True but on #5 read my post about the Ewoks. For me it was never about the Ewoks themselves and you're right on the sheer numbers

[@HighHeelKnight]

@@brianstrutter1501 Where can I read your statement about the Ewoks please?

[@yashaleo7]

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[@cassandra.wladyslava]

I always thought of the Endor/the Ewoks as Vietnam/the Viet Cong. They had home field advantage and used guerrilla warfare.

[@FormulaFox]

The writer of this list clearly has not watched Episode IV if they think there was no dialogue supporting the heroes being allowed to escape.

[@xuruiyu]

Actually, the "I can't see a thing in this" line (by the way, improvised by Mark Hamil because of the props being hard to see out of) was later explained as a measure against rebels stealing stormtrooper armor, the actual troopers see perfectly well. Also, the very first few scenes of the movie shows stormtroopers to be accurate, competent and fearsome soldiers, so for the love of Force, stop with the dumb stereotype

[@rpontonjr]

And, as for firing from the hip, I would assume the helmets have integrated targeting with the guns. Luke, not wearing a helmet, has to aim the old-fashioned way (plus Force hax) because he doesn't have a working helmet/gun link.

[@tim8801]

@@rpontonjr the bullets also have tracers to you can see where it goes once u shoot you can make the adjustments for the next shots so it wouldn’t be all that bad idea

[@patrickstewart3446]

The Kessel run explanation actually predates Solo. It comes from the Jedi Academy trilogy. It’s one of those Legends references seeping their way into canon.

[@darthcerebus]

And then ruined the Maw being just a single black hole and not a giant cluster of them being a total nightmare just to consider exists in the galaxy. And now thinking about it, could be the inspiration for Exagol and the "Need extremely specific route coordinates to navigate to the main place" concept.........

[@GreyHulk2156]

Also, don't forget that the Ewoks are carnivorous and clearly expert hunters. As shown when they bait Chewbacca into a trap and attempt to cook him and his friends. They are shown to have these skills before they utilise them against the Empire.

[@reinhardgutzat8828]

People clearly don't understand what a plot hole even is.

[@voxorox]

Actually, the "parsec" line didn't need to be retconned, only explained. In the script, and in the movie if you pay attention, Obi-Wan gives a look of disbelief at the "obvious piece of misinformation" from Han.

[@unigaming9921]

But for many, it was already obvious that the kessel run isn't a straight line. That isn't how smuggling runs work. It's a dangerous region smugglers go into to escape/avoid apprehension, meaning it's like a maze in space.

[@MoDlegion]

It still make sense if you take into account how hyperspace works, i.e. you need to avoid gravity wells or you'll be sucked in one, get pulled out of hyperspace and slam into what ever caused the gravity well. The Falcon being faster than anything else means you can go deeper into a gravity well while still making it out, making you able to take a shorter route than anything else. Obi-Wan might still think it a baseless boast in either scenario.

[@darthcerebus]

@@MoDlegion Plus the idea of "Hyperspace in a gravity well and you'll literally evaporate from the g-forces that suddenly"

[@KravKernow]

In the SW screenplay the "12 Parsecs" thing is just Han trying to BS with technobabble. And Obi Wan sees right through it. I must confess I prefer that to the more convoluted retcon explanations. It fits Han's character as a bit of a chancer.

[@KeplersDream]

👆This. The screenplay says something to the effect of "Obi-Wan reacts to the obvious misinformation". Far from Lucas confusing the terms, he actually expected the audience would be smart enough to catch the subtlety.

[@Dargonhuman]

@@KeplersDream Clearly Lucas was wrong on that one...

[@darthcarnage12]

I never understood why people thought the weakness in the Death Star was a plot hole (I know with Rogue One it's now confirmed as intentional, but I honestly think that being the built-in "weakness" is stranger than the previous canon). In/on a space station the size of a small moon, there is one singular place which can be hit with a shot that a computer cannot make (only someone guided by the force) and that space is shielded and needs to be hit with a weapon designed to pennetrate shields and then explode after the fact; you can also only make an attempt at that shot after and extended run of overcoming the station's defences. How is that a gaping weakness? In the current canon, Jyn's father is kind of a dick with the most unrealistic expectations of what is possible for the Rebels. Thank god (or the force) they got an incredibly powerful force sensitive pilot at the exact time they did, prior to the Empire being able to identify them and send Vader or the inquistors to hunt him down, because the Alliance is over without that happening.

[@simondewitt7161]

I have argued this many times. Especially when you consider the Empire didn't know about Luke's existence, so how could they design the Death Star against a threat they didn't know about. As far as the Empire is concerned there are only two force users in the galaxy. Now when they redesigned the second Death Star, it was pretty stupid not to include cannons in that trench (although I suppose it wasn't fully built yet). But that little room with the reactor really should have had some cannons in there to defend it at least. Also, why did the Emperor tell the Rebels where the shield generator was? Couldn't he have set his trap by telling them it was somewhere else? Like on Endor itself. It says that Endor is a gas planet but couldn't they have built a cloud city type base and lure the Rebels there?

[@physical_insanity]

​@@simondewitt7161 Putting cannons in a tight, cramped space intended solely for construction not only makes the job harder for the workers, but puts unnecessary clutter and stuff in the way and lengthens the job, and that's not even mentioning there's no feasible place to put a turbo laser without making it block the entire passage or any solid ground to put it. And putting cannons in the reactor room will only result in catastrophe, imagine if one of them destroys the reactor itself.

[@bugs1285]

I would argue that it’s even unrealistic that a giant battle station only needed an exhaust vent that small. Plothole my ass…

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

To be fair, an alternate method of attack could have been to attack the vent head-on during a diversion. Also ideally, the rebels would've mounted a bigger assault like they did with Death Star II with capital ships. The rebels' hands were forced because the Death Star showed up on their doorstep.

[@darthcarnage12]

@@NieroshaiTheSable The problem is, it's not really possible to create a diversion big enough to distract a fully manned station the size of a moon and, they were attacking it head-on, so there wouldn't be a change. And if they had attacked with more, they would just lose more. Capital ships don't really have enough fire power to destroy the Death Star and can be taken out easily and more fighters would just lead to additional failed trench runs. Aside from that, if they did get enough people together to legitimately pose a threat, the Death Star could just move to hyperspace.

[@RUBBER_BULLET]

Similar to the Solo parsec retcon, I think the biggest plot hole was the Death Star being destroyed with a single shot, until the Rogue One retcon. As Darth Stewie said, "can we not put a sheet of plywood over it or something?"

[@runlarryrun77]

It's not a plot hole though. The Empire never thought a single seat fighter would able to get close enough to engage the thermal exhaust at almost point blank range. The line is something like "the Empire doesn't consider small, single seat fighters to be a threat". Plus I felt that plot point was more expanded upon by Rogue One than retconned. To me it tied it all up well, why the exhaust port was a weak point, why it was overlooked by the Empire & how the rebels came to know of it.

[@deathsheir2035]

That's not a plot-hole. IT NEVER WAS A PLOT-HOLE! Only the ignorant claims it to be a plot-hole. NO, they could not simply cover the port. IT'S A THERMAL EXHAUST PORT! The core generates a lot of heat, and if too much of that heat enters the living areas of the station, you will literally cook everyone on board alive. How do you deal with excess heat? THERMAL EXHAUST! In Space, Radiation is the only way to dissipate heat; thus, increasing the surface area in contact with open space, increases the amount of heat that can be radiated from the structure. There's a primary exhaust port on both hemispheres, surrounded by 13 (if I recall correctly) secondary exhaust ports. Closing any one of those ports, could have dire consequences of everyone living on board. The impossible shot of photon torpedoes making a sharp 90 degree turn, stopping all horizontal momentum, to then travel straight down the port, without losing any speed, despite the energy pushing against those torpedoes (Exhaust does mean push out, not pull in, which means there is energy basically being pushed out). I like to look at this impossible shot, and think to myself "This is why Leia went to Obi-Wan for help. She didn't do it in person, because she was captured." She went to the one person, a Jedi, whom she knows can make a shot, no technology can make. She kept this to herself, because she wanted people to have Hope!

[@TokyoXtreme]

@@deathsheir2035 The proton torpedoes don’t go all the way down the exhaust shaft. They do turn to a degree, but they impact just inside the port. The explosion caused by the torpedoes causes a chain reaction of explosions, which is what makes its way down towards the reactor. This behavior is described in the briefing, which has the historical significance of containing the world’s first CGI graphics in a film.

[@War450]

To expand on this, the exhaust port WAS covered. Not physically, but they explicitly say it's shielded which is why they had to use proton torpedoes and not blasters. It never was a plot hole, rogue one MADE it a plot hole. Think about it. So the exhaust port is an INTENTIONAL weakness now? So Galen made an 'intentional' weakness to exploit and this weakness required a single-seat fighter pilot to bypass hundreds of tie fighters, thousands of turbolasers, skim across the surface in a multi-mile long trench and fire off military-grade proton torpedoes at a shielded exhaust port so small even computers couldn't reliably hit it. THAT's the intentional weakness to exploit? A literal one-in-a-million shot only made by possible by having a jedi do it? Gee, thanks Galen, really saved the rebellion with that one.

[@vonskyme9133]

@War450 to be fair to Galen, I don't think he was expecting it to be a space born attack so much as a suicidal saboteur planting a bomb. It was just desparation that made the Rebellion use Space Magic instead.

[@Jeartozer]

To add to the numberous people already pointing out that the troopers DID miss on purpose, as quotes by both Leia and Tarkin attest to, I wanna throw another wrench in the gears so to speak. Stormtrooper armour was designed to absorb the energy from a blaster shot, and disipate it over the whole of the chest piece, and by doing so, often knocked the wind, and also often the consciousness from the wearer, making them SEEM dead, but able to fight again later on. So many of those troopers we see fall, may not have even died, letting moral stay the same even after being ordered to basically run into enemy fire

[@icecold9511]

Actually tracking devices built well are hard to detect. They would avoid detection by transmitting only when the target is radiating EM energy. In all likelihood the tracker on the Falcon didn't send a signal until it reached the next destination and likely under cover of other EM activities.

[@jaycurtis5036]

Also it could be a high speed micro burst.

[@phillipsusi1791]

Of course, if it were trying to communicate by EM, it would never reach its destination due to the distance involved and the limit of light speed.

[@Charistoph]

Or, it was transmitting on frequencies that most communication systems never connected to.

[@rpontonjr]

Also, Leia's line indicated that she expected they were being tracked, but that doesn't mean she expected a tracking device on the ship, at least not for sure. It could have been a stealth ship shadowing them, for all she knew.

[@maloc1824]

The entire 12 parsecs thing was always stupid and was explained in a (now non-canon) book, besides just thinking about it and you'd realize that it meant he took a short-cut.

[@madisonlink7141]

It was ALL BUT STATED in conversation between Vader and Tarkin that Leah was allowed to escape in order to track her back to the rebel base. Tarkin: "Are they away?" Vader: "They have just made the jump into hyperspace." Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work." The plan is only an "awful risk" if the escape was intentionally allowed.

[@deaconpoole7577]

3:23 Actually, Leia flat out declares that they’re escape was too easy, and blames the ease on the Troopers being ordered not to kill, and insists that they are being tracked. Yeah, Han says that it wasn’t an *easy* escape, and outright rejects the idea that they’re being tracked, but later in the, Moff Tarkin explicitly says “And you're sure the homing beacon is secure onboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work.” Confirming that yes, they were tracking the Millennium Falcon, which means that the Stormtroopers were likely ordered not to kill. Just because it doesn’t happen on screen, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Plus, Ben Kenobi states earlier in the film that “Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise.” AND if you read up on the extended universe lore and auxiliary materials, you’d know that the Imperial Stormtrooper helmets provide a Heads Up Display, complete with targeting data, synced with their E-11 rifles.

[@deaconpoole7577]

I love how basically every other comment is calling out how wrong this explanation for the 3rd “plot hole” is.

[@mannydavis7708]

She was referring to what happened after the Falcon left the Death Star. In the novelisation that came out with the movie by Alan Dean Foster, after Han's "you call that easy", she replies with "They only sent four TIE fighters after us. They could have easily sent 100."

[@ethanpetersen810]

The Death Star stormtroopers probably had no combat experience, considering their job was just to be stationed on the Death Star. In the opening scene, however, we see that the stormtroopers fighting the rebel soldiers are significantly more accurate.

[@ajm2872]

Mark Hamill's line about not being able to see a thing out of the helmet was unscripted. Lucas decided to keep it in during editing. If I recall correctly, in Star wars lore, the Stormtrooper helmet had advanced targeting systems linked to the blaster rifle. Shooting from the hip is incredibly stable, and if the targeting is being done via helmet link, then their hit probability should actually go up, not down.

[@maximillion322]

If Mark Hamill’s line made it through the editing room, then it’s canon

[@darthcerebus]

It's basically like what Halo Legends showed off in one of the animated shorts, what we see in the game is literally what the Spartans see in their helmets, reticule and all, because it's connected to the "scope" of the gun, and they can see through it without actually looking through it, and it has the reticule pointing to where they're aiming at any point.

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Luke said he used to bulls-eye womp-rats in Beggar's Canyon, "and they aren't much bigger than 2 meters!" Because of Episode I and The Book of Boba Fett, we know you really do need to be a hell of a pilot and just a little suicidal to zoom through Beggar's Canyon at ship speeds. Also... womp-rats are barely even a single meter. And he shot at them with a pneumatic air cannon IN Beggar's Canyon, a much lower-tech weapon than a computer-guided missile or smart reticle-aimed laser battery. So while everyone else in that briefing room must've thought "oh, this rube's bragging about doing drive-bys against these huge beasts out in the wilderness..." Biggs was probably dumbstruck that Luke was so massively underselling his abilities.

[@mannydavis7708]

"and did you have a thousand other, what did you call them, womp rats, shooting at you with blaster rifles? This is going to take a lot more that barnyard marksmanship, believe me." - from the original novelisation by Alan Dean Foster.

[@markusallen5634]

It's funny how most people tend to react/think that everything that we've seen so far (movies & TV shows) have been around from the very beginning back in 1977, when in fact, Lucas changed the story several times during the original trilogy- 1) Vader and Anakin were two separate characters, and 'Darth Vader' was the character's name, and not a Sith rank (like Darth Revan, Darth Maul, Darth Bane etc). 2) Han Solo shot 'only'. The original scene had Han shoot Greedo from beneath the table while Greedo talked, only later, Lucas didn't like how this made Han look, so for the 1997 special edition, he added Greedo shooting his blaster and missing Han's head. 3) Luke and Leia weren't related, and Leia's mother was still alive after she was born (her memories were from a little girl, not as a baby). 4) Boba Fett was supposed to be just a simple bounty hunter. Lucas didn't intend on his character to be anything more than that, and it seemed as though Lucas even had a slight dislike for Boba, which is evident in how he had him (originally) die in 'Return Of The Jedi' by having a blind Han Solo hit Boba's jetpack, he wildly flies off and hits Jabba's sail barge, then rolls right into the Sarlacc's mouth. In fact, the first place you see the word 'Mandalorian' is back in 1992 and through Dark Horse comics, both in the series 'Dark Empire' and in 'Tales Of The Jedi' (which was set 4000 years BBY). Lucas took a 'lot' of story material was from Dark Horse comics Star Wars run when he did the prequels, just as Disney is doing now. But of course, people want to continue claiming that Disney isn't and has done away with the EU/Legends material, but then, most people don't know the material and know even 'less' about Star Wars, a 'story' that I've followed since I was 11 years old in 1977. A story that, over the course of my life, see all of the plot holes and mis-steps done, not just with Disney, but by George Lucas. THAT is why I'm beginning to think that the entire story- Episodes One to Nine- needs to be rebooted, so to do away with any plot holes and things that just make the story look stupid (like Han stepping on Jabba's tail).

[@R3_dacted0]

#3 doesn't prove your point. Adoptive parents are a thing, which is in fact what Leia's parents where. She can remember her mother from when she was a little girl. Doesn't mean that she was her *biological* mother.

[@simondewitt7161]

I could not disagree more about needing to reboot Star Wars. The Disney trilogy is basically a reboot and it was terrible. We would just end up with 9 more terrible movies. (That we would all feel compelled to see). Everything is a reboot these days, just set some more stories in the universe. Rogue One was great. 1) That change was simple to make, just say Obi-Wan was lying to spare Luke the truth. The story is better with that change 2) Yeah its stupid how many times that scene was changed, but its also only like 3 seconds long so who really cares. 3)That one was definitely not as smooth of a change as making Darth Vader Luke's father. Though Leia could have somehow remembered Padme through the force, maybe she doesn't really remember her face but more of sensing the pain Padme was in due to Leia being force sensitive. 4)Its not Lucas's fault people grew attached to some random background character. The story wouldn't have been enhanced in anyway if Boba Fett didn't randomly get thrown into the Sarlac.

[@nicholashodges201]

Lucas didn't dislike Fett, he just didn't know how popular he was until after RotJ. By his own words, "If I knew how much everyone liked him, I wouldn't have had him for like that, he was just a random bad guy"

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

Retcon or not, current canon is current canon. Also, read the A New Hope novelization. More that's new is canon than you think.

[@Charistoph]

Disney reintroducing Legends material is largely due to the guy who lead the Clone Wars and Rebels development. And if they did an Episode 1-9 Remaster, they could theoretically even have the Thrawn trilogy brought in to replace the mess of the Abrams' trilogy.

[@l_alphy]

Luke Skywalker saying "I can't see a thing in this helmet" was an improvised line by Mark Hamill because he couldn't see through the helmet while filming.

[@iconpoet]

Also... people fail to realize that there was an entire Rebel strike team on the moon of Endor... it CLEARLY states this

[@Revkor]

the ewoks helped distract

[@baronwarborn9107]

Let's not forget that using the force will give you an edge in flying as in fighting as you have predictive abilities. Like the Spiderman sense on steroids.

[@chazblank2717]

I’ve always heard abstractly that despite their size Ewoks were as strong as Wookiees, but hearing y’all explain in detail their feats of strength was very satisfying.

[@Charistoph]

Probably because Lucas was planning on them being Wookies in early development.

[@minescroftey4918]

The Jedi actually couldn’t sense the dark side of the force around the Chancellor. He used a force technique called cloaking so he could hide his force presence. He only lifted the cloak after revealing to Anakin that he was a Sith. He wanted the Council to attack him to force Anakin into helping to kill Mace Windy

[@ovni2295]

Though not brought up in the original trilogy, we do have confirmation later that part of the reason the Stormtroopers are inaccurate is that their weapons suck. The Clone Troopers have weapons with much longer barrels, and are noticably more accurate across all their appearances. HOWEVER, in defense of the Stormtroopers' go-to weapon, the E-11 blaster rifle, they are so small and lightweight so they can be used in confined spaces much more easily than the Clone Troopers' usual weapons. So it was a tradeoff between accuracy and ease of use in the environments Stormtroopers were meant to operate. We see similar tradeoffs in real life, such as the US Army's M4 Carbine replacing the longer and more accurate M16 Rifle for exactly the same reasons.

[@senoreljoynes6442]

None of the sequels were mentioned here, but one nitpick people have with it that I hate is that those bombs in The Last Jedi "fell in space with no gravity". But obviously they fell through the floor of the ship that had artificial gravity technology and then they kept going with their momentum once they were outside of the artificial gravity well.

[@WgdVids]

Or they were pulled towards the much larger ship that had it's own artificial gravity, the occupants of which were walking around on the floors.

[@Revkor]

they don't havre the balls to go through those errors in film

[@Jmac1962]

9 plotholes detailed in the video, 10 plotholes mentioned in the title. way to go guys

[@Maximara]

Regarding 3:19 there are lines that imply the Stormtrooper _were_ ordered to miss : TARKIN: You're sure *the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship* ? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work. (...) Leia: That doesn't sound too hard. Besides, *they let us go. It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape.* HAN: Easy... you call that easy? LEIA: *They're tracking us!*

[@wh8787]

My head cannon on why everything looks less advanced in the original trilogy is that with the authoritarian Empire in charge, innovative just kind of stalled. So sure, they dumped loads of money into star ships, the Death Star programs, AT ATs, etc. But stuff that people actually use day to day just kind of decayed.

[@Dargonhuman]

This is a real phenomenon when a thriving, prosperous economy shifts to a focus on imperialistic militarism, just like how the Republic became the Empire.

[@wh8787]

@@Dargonhuman indeed, or various fascist governments. The Nazis had their guns or butter issue where a lot of home comforts were reduced in favour rearmament. Obviously the economy before wasn't exactly 'thriving' but extreme militarism tends to push out other economic focuses. Plus, the Empire are deeply xenophobic and obviously don't give a crap about non-core planets, they're hardly going to invest in planets where most of the population aren't even human.

[@46sn29]

I don't understand how Luke's piloting ability was considered a plot hole. Obi-Wan literally mentions that he has heard Luke was a good pilot during their first conversation.

[@HellDuke-]

Funnily enough, the parsec plot hole is actually still a plot hole. The boast was about the ships speed, however shaving off distance in the Solo movie was not related to speed but rather being able to plot the course through the area. So in terms of what was said - still a mistake.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Which is why the legends explanation is better

[@Duothimir]

The original explanation was that Han was clearly making it up because he expected Luke and Ben to just be some country bumpkins. He wanted to make himself sound more impressive so he could squeeze them for more money, but neither of them fell for it.

[@Roccondil]

My thought is, the movies have several terms that are different from real-world terms but mean the same things. Why can’t parsecs be a time term in-universe while a distance term in the real world?

[@Will____13007]

For 9 and 8 there are bonus reasons, for 9 the old jedi defeated a sith shrine and decided to build their temple on top of it as a sign of dominance, but it is still a sith shrine so it clouded their judgement deeply, and for 8 as explained in the obi wan kenobi book obi wan returned to tatooine to assist raise and defend Luke from imperials he found a small homestead out in the middle of no where and engraved on the doorframe was “old ben’s” so he inherited the name and became known as old ben kenobi, everyone in mos espa knew kenobi well and enjoyed his presence so no one would ever turn the good old grandpa like figure in to the most hated military.

[@BoondockRoberts]

Also Luke had some trouble adjusting to the X-Wing at the start. Almost fried himself shooting too close to the Death Star surface and was damn near taken out by a Tie Fighter with Wedge saving his butt. Add that to the fact that R2 units are doing most the navigating anyways.

[@VestedUTuber]

Solo isn't the first time they explained the Parsecs thing. It was also mentioned in the New Jedi Order trilogy of novels, although instead of cutting through dangerous areas of space it involved flying closer to gravity wells than otherwise possible. The _Falcon_ was so fast in hyperspace that it was able to ignore the outer reaches of the gravity signatures of black holes in the Maw cluster, which lies extremely close to Kessel along the Kessel Run hyperspace lane.

[@ShadowSearcher31]

And remember, Vader being a native to tatooine made him want to not go near there

[@brendan909]

with the parsecs, some say Han figured Luke and "old Ben" didn't know what a parsec was.

[@douglasphillips5870]

The storm troopers letting them escape is still the better reason than institutional incompetence as opposed to individual incompetence.

[@rogerdam11]

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[@deejaytubbster8983]

lol, I‘m 47 and watched all Star Wars movies a felt hundred times, but I never recognized the real T-16 in the background. Nice one!

[@ScrapKing73]

I actually prefer Rogue One’s explanation for the poor aim of stormtroopers: that the force won’t allow anyone to be killed until they’ve first fulfilled their destiny.

[@gapratt4955]

A line from the books that never made into the movies however in my opinion should have was; "I used to bullseye womprats with my T 16 back home." Response in the book was; "Sure, but were they carrying lase rifles and shooting back?".

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

If you read the Han Solo Trilogy, you didn't need to watch Solo to understand that the Kessel Run had nothing to do with time.

[@sergioaccioly5219]

Plot holes: *The Ewoks built siege engines within walking distance of the bunker and no imperial patrol noticed. *Leia took the Falcon to Yavin even as she knew she was being tracked. Couldn't she stopped somewhere else and took an untraceable ship instead of knowingly leading the death Star to the Rebel HQ? *Why the Empire just disabled the Falcon's Hyperdrive in Bespin? why not disable the entire ship? Not a plot hole A structure the size of the Death Star would have hundreds of thousands of flaws (important or not), both design and construction. And that's before we take into account that it was a prototype built by a corrupt bureaucracy. There was no need for the idea that the venting port was an intentional sabotage. Run of the mill problems and incompetence are reason enough.

[@ScooterBond1970]

" *Why the Empire just disabled the Falcon's Hyperdrive in Bespin? why not disable the entire ship? " Because if they had disabled the whole ship, the heroes would have just found another ship to flee on. Then, during the mass exodus, the Empire would have no way to know which ship their quarry was on. By disabling only the hyperdrive, they get the heroes into the sky/space, in a recognizable ship, and by the time they realize the problem there's nowhere to go except straight into the Empire's hands.

[@Revkor]

add in if more then jsut Vader's personal command launched it be hundreads of fighters vs what 30? turkey shoot anyone

[@Dargonhuman]

The Ewoks built those traps to defend against natural predators. The Empire likely dismissed them as "too primitive to be a threat" to their advanced technology and armor.

[@siggejunell]

When you were promised a list of 10, but only gets 9...

[@itssomeotaku4600]

8. Tatooine because Vader doesn't like sand. It's coarse, rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere.

[@sothisishowusernameswork.2043]

It was indeed implied that an order was made for our main characters to be not shot, Leia says: They let us go. In the millenium falcon after they escaped to han.

[@beetrickson602]

I’m fairly certain George said the troopers were told to let them escape and the “they can’t see” reasoning creates a new plot hole earlier on in the movie where Ben says it could’ve only been troopers that shot the Jawa fortress because of the ACCRUACY

[@FerDeLance06]

There's still one from A New Hope; why is Vader using a targeting computer? And let's not forget, Empire Strikes Back; in the opening crawl, it mentions Vader being obsessed with finding young Skywalker. Then, when we first see the Imperials, he says, "The rebels are there and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." Later, Palpatine tells him, "The rebel that blew up the Death Star is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker" and Vader asks how this is possible - like he's only just learned of Skywalker's existence. A little oversight there, perhaps?

[@ScooterBond1970]

It's slightly less problematic with the original version. Palpatine says "We have a new enemy: LUKE SKYWALKER" (without mentioning his parentage, obvs to maintain the twist) And Vader just replies "Yes Master" (not as in "if you say so" but rather as "yes I've heard of him"). The SpecEd did a major disservice to the original twist with its new dialog, all in service to retroactively turning Darth Vader into a Villain Protagonist.

[@m.mcnulty4281]

Star Wars extended lore is so detailed!

[@darthcerebus]

Well, a few things about the holes that are actually explained elsewhere and make sense overall: - Hiding Luke on Tatooine was the best possible idea because Vader couldn't go back there without having to revisit the most painful memories of his life aside from Padme's death, which is what also saved the twins due to her still appearing pregnant, making everything think the children died with her, making them nonexistent in the eyes of Palpatine and Vader. - The stormtrooper aiming was actually confirmed to be them letting the Falcon go with Leia by Leia herself piecing together the concept of only a small 4 fighter squadron intercepting them instead of the entirety of the Death Star moving to stop them. And in terms of their hip fire, their scope actually has a sort of reticule in their helmet's heads-up-display, making it almost literally like video games and having where you're aiming appear on screen (Halo does this as well in their Legends shorts showing what you see in game is literally what the Spartans see in general, and potentially everyone in either side of the war), and considering some of the other shots they hit, like Leia on Endor being a split second aim and fire hit, it makes sense their aim was terrible on the Death Star. - With the tracking devices, what was brought up made sense and expanded on the idea that they have a very specific signal engineered to exclusively be detectable by the device used by the tracker, much like and potentially exactly like the binary signal beacon used by Rey and Leia in The Last Jedi, but specifically used for tracking others without wanting to be known.

[@oscardeleon2584]

No one seems to mention in Empire that it's *standard operation* for Star Destroyers to dump Millenium-Falcon-sized chunks of garbage before going to hyperspace. How much garbage do these things generate between jumps?

[@RobertWF42]

Plot hole #11: How did Han Solo fly the Millennium Falcon to Bespin without a functioning hyperdrive!

[@Volcocysaurus]

The Jedi didn’t truly sense the dark side around Sidious because he concealed his presence in this force which the Sith can do

[@chrisc6857]

(Take everything I'm about to say with as big a grain of salt as you want, since I'm quoting other people and not speaking firsthand knowledge:) Regarding stormtrooper accuracy, some military experts have pointed out that when fighting with ranged weapons you fill the air with as many shots as possible for a very good reason: The world is big and your targets are small. Even the best shooter, unless working as a sniper from outside the battlefield, is usually going to miss most of their shots. Turns out, the stormtroopers' 3.2 percent accuracy rate is really quite good by real world battlefield standards.

[@WeyounSix]

I don't know why anyone would think that nobody else in the entire galaxy could possibly have the last name kenobi. Him keeping the surname might be like keeping the surname Windsor or something. Just because you have a well known last name doesnt mean anyone think YOU are well known.

[@shannonedens7854]

Biggest plot hole…according to the first movie, Anakin grew up on Tatooine, left as a young adult to fight in the clone wars, and wasn’t a slave.

[@vadenthakkar]

In the prequels, the planets that have the advanced technology are coruscant and kamino, which are not in the originals. I thought when they were talking about parsecs as distance they were referring to it like we would say “it is an hour away”

[@bafumat]

Remember, the ewoks trapped and nearly ate a Jedi, a wookie, two highly sophisticated droids, and Han solo. Then destroyed a large group of Storm troopers, most certainly eating them later. And in all likelihood ate Darth Vader. They bad asses.

[@roguerifter9724]

If memory serves the A New Hope Radio drama also states that Luke got put through a crash X-Wing sim course before the battle.

[@azzazzinx5519]

The issue I have isn't with Vader or Palps not looking for Kenobi on Tatooine. My issue is how he wasn't even trying to hide his identity and still referred to himself as "Kenobi" - and not very secretive at that - while Jabba is living in the same neighborhood, knows Kenobi, knows that he was a Jedi and knows that the Empire is looking, but never bothered to do anything about it, even though it's clear the amount of credits he could have gotten out of it would have been worth his time. Usually, I just assume "Kenobi" in the Star Wars universe is a name as common as "Smith" in ours, and also that Jabba might felt it was good to have a Jedi around in case he needed one. But since that's not explained, it's still dubious.

[@numbdigger9552]

Why do so many fans just have to nitpick over every detail? The explanation is really simple: A new hope was the first movie, george made the movie without a very extensive idea of the events before and after it, and he just thought it was a cool idea and a simple way to get the plot forward by having luke recognize the name "kenobi". No more explanation needed. Also, if you want an in-universe explanation, then he just happened to go under the radar by sheer luck, because otherwise the story woudln't have gone the way it did. The End.

[@azzazzinx5519]

@@numbdigger9552 I nitpick because I was taught by the best, mate. No need to explain anything to me, I'm quite aware of everything you wrote. I'm just fed up with "fans" complaining about everything new coming out while pretending the classics were more than just quality escapism for a young audience.

[@hawggie]

Regarding the "parsec" line, in the script it clearly states that Han is trying to technobabble whom he thinks are uneducated rubes. When Obi-Wan smirks at that line, you see Han's facial expression and attitude change because he realizes he got caught out. He changes his attitude and says, "She's fast enough for you, old man."

[@Haeschke]

Anyone else noticing that the narrator says "number 7" , when number 6 actually started???

[@potatoheadpokemario1931]

I liked the explanation that han solo lied about the kestle run. Also I expecting the hole in the death star, that's all so nessacary for it to function

[@schadenfreude6274]

8:05 wow I didn't even realize there was a spacecraft visible in the background at that scene until i watched this. :)

[@alexanderackerman3807]

Another good explanation for the seeming technological decrease is that the OT mainly takes place on backwater planets while the prequels mainly take place on important rich ones.

[@wargrizzero5158]

I also like the Parsec explanation that Han was wrong, but he was waiting to see if Ben or Luke called him on it to gauge their knowledge of space travel and how much he could charge them

[@monsterbrine]

Here is the line of dialogue that supports the 'order to let the rebels escape the Death Star' theory: Tarkin: "Are they away?" Vader: "They've just made the jump into hyperspace." Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work." The implication is Vader's plan was to let them escape so they could track them to the rebel base and cut the head off the snake, so to speak. Tarkin begrudgingly supported this plan and ordered the storm troopers to let the rebels escape on the Falcon. I'd like a job, please. :D

[@octopusjesus9100]

Obi Wan: Use force Luke! Luke: You mean "the" force? Obi Wan holding a Javelin: No.

[@foxfireinferno197]

Another thing about the regressing technology is ... look at the places the original trilogy takes place. Tattooine, Hoth, Dagobah ... all with oppressive climates and all backwaters FAR from the Galactic Hub. It makes sense that there wouldn't be cutting-edge tech out in the proverbial boonies.

[@micahrussell2176]

In regards to Palpatine, in the book Darth Plageuis, Palpatine actually cuts himself off completely when he is on Coruscant. There was a chapter where he talks about it, reaching into the force briefly while at a party to try and sense someone then quickly turning it off out of fear of being sensed by the other Jedi there, which was Master Sifo Dyas and Dooku. Also there is a part where he goes on a stealth assassination mission and its pretty badass how he cloaks himself with the Force and moves super fast so people cant see him

[@NieroshaiTheSable]

One thing would solve all of this: understanding that not knowing the answer to a question the plot raises is not, in itself, ever a plot hole. Plot holes are when canon contradicts itself.

[@holgerschulz4104]

My personal number one plot hole: "Obi-Wan doesn´t recognize R2 in Episode 4".

[@white-dragon4424]

And Owen doesn't recognise the droids either.

[@jondnz]

A plot hole only because the prequels hadn't been fleshed out yet but also, Obi Wan didn't deal with either R2-D2 OR C-3PO directly for much of those movies. Plus as seen throughout the movies their droid models are not that "unique". It's possible both Obi Wan and Owen assumed they were just other models of some droids they knew 20-30 years ago

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

They all look the same?

[@jondnz]

@@HufflepuffDaddy well maybe not EXACTLY but after 20 - 30 years and in your old age, your memory of someone, or something, you saw for maybe a few days would be somewhat vague

[@HufflepuffDaddy]

@@jondnz my personal retcon says Obi-Wan was being evasive on purpose in front of Luke. After hiding for so long on a desert planet after Order 66 was given to kill all Jedi, he should suspicious of anyone and everyone he meets and "pretends" not to know R2D2. Remember, Yoda acts evasive when meeting Luke for the first time too (ESB or episode 5).

[@st.jimmy0244]

Minor nitpick: The T-16 skyhopper is an airspeeder, not a spacecraft. Also, according to the novel Death Star, the stormtroopers chasing the Rebels were trainees. The only fully-trained trooper there was the CO Sgt. Nova Stihl and he had his hands full trying to keep them from accidentally shooting each other.

[@arthurbrandonnielsen]

I always tell people who complain about the Ewoks something along the lines of: "A grizzly cub can kill you without trying."

[@Groundlord]

Obi-Wan probably assumed that Vader wouldn't have any desire to come back to Tatooine because of the bad memories he would have of the planet. Palpatine also had the smokescreen of the Separatist conflict and the Clone Wars to obscure him from the Jedi.

[@TheTwistedTreant526]

Also, Yoda and the Council didn't know Palpatine and Darth Sidious were one and the same. They thought Palpatine was evil, sure, but not a Sith, while he was working for Darth Sidious

[@GavinLepley]

I read the Kenobi book that came out in 2013, and while it is a Legends novel, it explains why he made his name Ben Kenobi. 'Ben' was a pet name Satine Kryze had for him before the Clone Wars, and 'Kenobi' was a very common name on Tatooine, like 'Smith' in our world, so the settlers on Tatooine thought nothing of his surname. Also, many farmers on Tatooine didn't even know that the Clone Wars were happening, so they were unlikely to have heard the name of General Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[@seannemo8076]

"Military implies classified and classified implies cutting edge." Tell me you never served in the military without telling me you never served in the military.

[@michaelmiller5177]

The plot hole for Luke is not that he couldn't fly an X-Wing. It's that the Rebels would have allowed a teenager that had damaged his T-16 being reckless in Begger's Canyon and had never even been in space until that day, was allowed to fly a combat mission on a vouch. Yes, the Rebels were forever short on pilots but Luke had never flown in space and there is zero chance that anyone with command of a super expensive squadron of spaceships is handing one over to a kid that's never flow without a horizon.

[@thenerdempire]

As I understand it, Stormtrooper armor was made of plastoid. It was meant to be durable but lightweight, allowing free range of motion for combat situations and marching. But it was also a weaker composite material downgraded from the original Clone Trooper armor, likely due to the increased army size and wanting to cut corners to save on material and money. It had limited energy dispersal properties, but a direct hit would go through and be an almost certain death sentence. I forget the source, but I seem to recall that the idea was they wanted an army with minimal wounded to slow the group down, though it didn't prioritize survival in the case of fatal hits. Realistically, since it didn't seem like they could mass-produce armor so good it could block all energy attacks, it didn't make sense to beef it up just enough to leave men and women with gaping torso wounds from partially-blocked direct hits. Just as importantly, consider the era this is going on. The majority of battles were fought using energy and concussive weapons. There would be very little point in engineering Stormtrooper armor to stop kinetic forces from sharp or blunt objects. That would be like designing a solid bulletproof vest today, but also adding on temperature protection in order to block damage from flamethrowers. It would be insanely more expensive and almost certainly end up as a hybrid that wasn't fully effective at protecting either ballistic or heat damage. It really just makes more sense for armor in a place with almost exclusively laser battles to be better at deflecting lasers and just not worrying when a few bears with spears wipe out a few Stormtrooper platoons from time to time.

[@lordsrednuas]

"They let us go", "They're tracking us", "Not this ship sister.", "Are you sure the tracking beacon is secure aboard their ship" "I'm taking a risk Vader, this had better work" Vader convinced Tarkin to let them go, so the Falcon could be tracked to the Rebel base. Which worked, it's how the Death Star followed them back to Yavin. It's the concluding arc of the movie! "Absolute nonsense" my left buttock

[@TokyoXtreme]

“She may still be of some use to us.” “What do you have in mind?”

[@SnipeMD]

How was Vader able to: • Board the Mon Calamari ship to get the Death Star plans • Fail in that task • Watch the Tantive IV fly away and leap into hyperspace. • Reboard his Star Destroyer. • Have that Star Destroyer track the Tantive IV after it went to HYPERSPACE and had a extremely solid head start and be part of the boarding party.

[@joearcher6973]

Great channel the main reason why Imperial Stormtroopers cannot shoot is if they could the movie will be over in 15 minutes there's more of them than there are of the heroes

[@RainingMetal]

In the game Rogue Leader you get to fly the Skyhopper as part of the game's tutorial.

[@GrimmsDeath]

The Storm Trooper aim is actually fairly accurate for a military force. It's not that they can't hit the broad side of a barn, it's that you don't want to risk getting shot to aim a gun. As for the Rebels and them being a bit more accurate in most cases comes down to resolve and the risk they are willing to take to succeed.