8 More Star Wars "Plot-Holes" That Really Aren't

[@dizzyrascal5015]

The last one is blatantly obvious why R2 never told Luke. The very reason R2's memories were never wiped was because unlike C-3P0, R2 could keep secrets.

[@frankharr9466]

3PO couldn't keep his mouth shut if his life depended on it.

[@finecanine376]

@@frankharr9466 i mean true, his mouth cant move so like legit he couldnt

[@ShawnHCorey]

Why didn't R2 tell Luke about his father? Could it be because Obi-Wan and Bail Organa said that Luke and Leia were to be raised in secret? R2 was simply following orders.

[@danilonakazone386]

I always thought the same

[@Deuteromis]

Also, speaking or understanding droid really isn't a thing. You need a translator to understand them. However if you spend enough time around a particular droid, you are able to pick up what that droid is conveying.

[@danilonakazone386]

@@Deuteromis It clearly is a thing. Anakin and Ahsoka can both understand R2D2, Master Plo was alfo capable os such thing

[@Deuteromis]

@@danilonakazone386 Only if you spent enough time around a particular droid.

[@kenbrown2808]

nah, that would make sense.

[@TheJediCaptain]

In the Legends Trilogy, Dark Nest, Luke stumbled across a series of recordings in decaying memory sectors that depict that R2 recorded several scenes from Revenge of the Sith from Padmé's pregnancy reveal, Anakin's nightmare, Obi-Wan's visits to Padmé's apartment, Anakin telling of the mission to Mustifar, and the confrontation before Anakin and Obi-Wan dueled it out.

[@danwhitesall3521]

In a legends book. It was noted that Artoo had a couple chips knocked loose or misaligned and was unable to access them. Luke fixed that and was able to see both Anakin and Padme for the first time

[@severindrax]

I now have a mental image of young Obi-wan using Force Speed to charge towards maul, and splatting face first into a ray shield at high speed. Just because you *can* go fast, doesn't mean you always should.

[@AaronLevine-t3j]

In canon a better answer as to why Vader did not recognize C3PO; C3PO was a different color and was one Vader built himself. C3PO was also shown to be just one of those particular models. I forgot where exactly in canon there was one that had a female voice. And R2D2 never saying anything to Luke to how he knew Vader is his father; R2 was present quite frequently around Obi Wan and Bail Organa as well as Yoda. And during the clone wars R2 was proven more times than none that he could be trusted with secrecy and is considered family among the Skywalker family. In one episode of the clone wars Anakin was called out by either Mace Windu or Obi Wan or both I can't remember on not wiping R2's memory as part of a standard droid procedure. Anakin refused to do so because he had a bond with the unit. R2 even was even part of a droid team in an arc of the clone wars as a soldier. So, it is entirely possible as a unit to be trusted; R2 was most likely instructed by Obi Wan and Yoda to not say anything to Luke or Leia if he ever did encounter Anakin/Vader again until the time was right. R2 did work alongside the likes of Yoda so he knew when a request by a Jedi master involving something important, they had a reason. And to add further context; when Yoda went to go learn additional training at the end of the clone wars R2 was present when Yoda was given foresight on possible events. Which is why I also believe why as a reason he gave up so easily against Palpatine in the rise of the Sith. Yoda knew something was coming true and he felt he had to let it play out whether he liked it or not.

[@jedijessic]

No one seems to thinking that R2-D2 would also need C-3PO or another to translate. Would R2 have trusted another to translate?

[@YavorM-Yash]

​@@jedijessic Luke did understand him without translator.

[@RamoneCelso]

The age was not the only problem, he claimed "the sith have been extinct for a millennia " or something like that. If the show runner came clean and said, hey we didn't looked into it, I would be fine with it, at least tell us the truth.

[@kirkmcdonough3980]

Would you point out in which episode of the Acolyte that he learned the Stranger was a Sith.

[@RamoneCelso]

@@kirkmcdonough3980 not an exact episode, but it was a big deal, right? A bunch of jedis died and even master Yoda got involved, but he didn't find out? They don't care about what came before, that's been obvious since episode 8, a little bit of honesty would be nice.

[@dragonballhelpwithgames8794]

​@@kirkmcdonough3980in episode 5 The council are watching them get killed by a red lightsaber which is what the sith use and another name for a sith lord is a fallen Jedi which the council calls him in that episode

[@colonicus]

Why do people assume that everything any star wars charcuterie days is 'in universe' correct and 'in universe' the truth. Myne he thought they'd been extinct for a millenia, but he's wrong clearly because palpatine. Also as other people point out, he never sees the guy not gets confirmation that he's a sith, just that there's a person with training that want a jedi. There's plenty of 'force users' in the galaxy that aren't jedi out sith, like the dathomir witches or the people from the episode with Mace and JaJa on a busy chip adventure (Bardotta?). The best plot hole fix is Darth Vader being Lukes dad. "What I told you was the truth, from a certain point of view".

[@joenesvick7043]

In his only scene with Threepio, Vader literally stops Boba Fett from shooting the wookiee with his creation on its back, "don't shoot my droid!" Not mentioning a character is hardly a plot hole. I remember people like to bring that up with Qui-Gon. I'm like "the whole point of that youngling class in Attack of the Clones was so audience would know that Yoda trains younglings, which Obi-Wan was once one." They say "why wasn't he mentioned in the original trilogy then!" Then I'm like "what is he supposed to say, you will go learn from my kindergarten teacher, but you should know about my college professor that passed away and you can't benefit from this knowledge in any way" lol 🤪

[@kcthesledgestoryteller]

An easy answer to Vader not recognizing Threepio is the fact we so many of the 3PO model in both New Hope and Empire - not unique.

[@TheDoctor010]

"In the new cannon ..." (9:12). Give me a break. Disney spits on Star Wars fans every chance it gets. Disney has committed the dreaded cultural appropriation: They took Star Wars, altered it to their own image, then said that everything you knew to be canon is merely "legends."

[@DMSProduktions]

Canon:it isn't a gun.

[@TheDoctor010]

@@DMSProduktions Thank you

[@DMSProduktions]

@@TheDoctor010 YW, but you still missed 1!

[@TheDoctor010]

@@DMSProduktions Thank you once again. Somehow I'm not surprised. But at this point maybe it should remain misspelled so that people aren't fooled about my skills.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@TheDoctor010 Haha! As you wish!

[@marcomcdowell8861]

R2 was wise. Talking about anything would've either led to his destruction, memory wipe, or captivity.

[@ZeroFighter]

I never had a problem with Vader never recognizing C-3P0 for the sole reason that the 3P0 protocol droid model was a mass produced, commercial model of protocol droid. The one that young Anakin built was simply one assembled of scavenged and substituted parts, rather than purchased new. Over the years, as finances became more available, C-3P0 got upgrades, including a full chassis that made him look more commercially mass produced. One of the most common customizations for 3P0 units was getting their chassis painted silver, gold, brass, and other fine, polished metal sheens. A gold-plated 3P0 unit- especially with a chrome leg replacement- simply would not stand out, and since droids are inorganic, would not generate any Force signature that would make one stand out more than the other, especially with parts that have been replaced with new and different ones, from other places over the years.

[@deathpie24]

Did people forget the end of ep3 R2 and Obi-Wan both assume that Anakin was dead Darth Vader hidden for a while and hunting down jedi for many years In no way could they have known he lived with cybernetics It is highly likely that R2 learned the truth after Luke likely explained it to the others You can argue that at the time of the original trilogy that it was not thought of that far ahead but it was definitely a retcon that did not break anything because it was still technically true Darth Vader did kill Anakin that day

[@HariSeldon913]

Luke used Force speed in Empire Strikes Back to escape the carbonite freezer. It's a very fast, very high jump rather than a run, but it was still Force speed.

[@zekeharding-u1t]

my headcannon for why Snoke didn't sense Kylo about to kill him is that, Palpatine needed him dead in order to further compel Ben to the darkside. Considering Snoke was as disposable as he was, I assume his death was planned by Palpatine.

[@rusnikfromtranscarpathia]

And if you notice in the scene with Master Yoda and the Younglings....there IS a'certain' Togruta practicing her lightsaber skills...COUKDbe an Ashoka reference?...or maybe a little sister? 🤔🤔. In the Clone Wars series, Anakin DID refer to Ahs9ka as 'Little Sister', and the two had a very strong bond!

[@michaelfenton4353]

wasn't snoke a Palpatine clone? he had a bunch more at the end of episode 9 didn't he?

[@DavidStowers-o7k]

Whenever I hear Din Djarin speak whilst wearing his helmet, for whatever reason that I can't explain, I seem to hear Timothy Oliphant's Agent 47.

[@nikkivalle8480]

what I wanna know is Vader's lack of reaction to R2! Clone Wars proved Anakin's and R2's bond was off the charts and I can't bring myself to believe that if Vader saw R2D2 and still recognized him he would be indifferent enough to have no reaction.

[@stevegallo8483]

The Star Wars canon novel "Before the Awakening" has a section on Rey that also tells of her having a flight simulator.

[@kylekelly8720]

I mean in the movie, she does say "ive flown some ships, but I've never left the planet."

[@bemasaberwyn55]

With number 1, in the From A Certain Point Of View, R2 was MOUTHY AF to Obi-Wan and Yoda on Dagobagh in empire

[@e.g.9823]

I like to think that Artoo and Luke go over their family history when Luke exiled himself.

[@claudioforjan1743]

I always thought that Kenobi could've fallen into the pit had he used the Force dash so I think the explanation is even easier.

[@Spirit_Yoshino]

Another reason why Rey was able to fly the Falcon soo well was because The Falcon has Lando's old Droid brain, L3 uploaded to it.

[@zooropa04]

Man, I would have loved a scene where Rey plays the Y-Wing simulator using graphics from either the original Star Wars vector arcade game or from the X-Wing PC games.

[@stt5v2002]

There is a more structural problem that is responsible for many of these issues. It seems that in 1977 George Lucas imagine the Jedi as a couple dozen swordsmen living in a monastery somewhere, with some secretive powers like mental suggestion or short range telekinesis. But then later he decided that they were 20,000 space wizards with incredibly interesting and militarily destabilizing abilities, leading troops in a major war all over the galaxy and playing a pivotal role in galactic politics.

[@Deuteromis]

Did you even pay attention to the New Hope? Obi-Wan straight up says Jedi were peacekeepers in the galaxy and it's even stated they fought in the Clone Wars...🙄

[@Deuteromis]

Ok when it comes to Rey flying the Falcon, the issue is the fact that its a two man ship. Meaning two people are required to fly it. Yes if you are just doing simple flying, one person can do it. However when it comes to doing crazy maneuvers she was pulling off, two people are needed. Go watch the Originals, whenever the Falcon is flying like that, two people are at the helm. Also the problem with Snoke being betrayed by Kylo was the fact that Rian made it too painfully obvious it was going to happen. Not to mention it was just stupid to do that to your supposed final boss in the 2nd film of a trilogy.

[@kenbrown2808]

it's made so one person can lfy it if necessary, just like a commercial airplane. the copilot is there for an extra set of eyes and hands.

[@Deuteromis]

@@kenbrown2808 A plane is different from a starship. Again watch the Originals. Two people are always at the helm flying when the ship does those manuvers.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@Deuteromis you mean like when Chewie is flying and Lando is at the hatch catching Luke? the ship model is a cargo ship. it's the equivalent of a cube van. read the Han Solo novels. it is frequently flown with just one person at the controls - though it actually has a 4 person cockpit.

[@Deuteromis]

@@kenbrown2808 Did not see where I straight up said that when it comes to simple flying, one person can pilot it? It's only when the falcon is pulling off crazy maneuvers that two people are required.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@Deuteromis you mean like banging into the ground? What about when Han flew it into what he thought was a cave in an asteroid? He didn't brief chewie on the maneuver. The only things people drive by committee are things that are manual controls that are too heavy for one person to operate alone.

[@michaelschroeck2254]

Darth and 3po. Ben not recognizing r2: they are droids. There are thousands of similar droids that look exactly alike in the galaxy. Droids were tools, not pets. Would you recognize a toothbrush you used thirty years ago if someone showed it to you?! I’m a huge Star Wars fan but it is this insane desire for other fans to connect the dots, cross the t’s that make me …. Grossed out.

[@megatronjenkins2473]

How did MaRey Sue do ANYthing?!? Piss-poor writing.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

What about C3PO's early line "There'll be no escape for the Princess (Captain?) this time"?

[@Deuteromis]

It suggests that she's been close to being outed as a Rebel before.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

@@Deuteromis Reportedly, the line was originally "the Captain" but Anthony Daniels flubbed it and no one noticed. Making it odd that he later acts like he's never seen her before. Of course, he was probably programmed not to discuss sensitive information with outsiders.

[@clancykohl]

@@jonathanmarkoff4469 I mean, you totally can know about people, without ever having seen them. Like C-3PO could know, they have the Princess on board, and did so before, without ever actually having met her, so when she appears in the message fragment, he doesn't know who she is. From what he says otherwise, his duties didn't involve meddling with passengers, but programming what seems to be basically forklifts and such.

[@jonathanmarkoff4469]

@@clancykohl In the novelisation, C3PO says "There'll be no escape for the Captain this time" which is then fulfilled when Vader strangles Captain Antilles in the same scene. If that line had been left in the movie, it would have been so much less confusing.

[@jinxie712]

Even if something in Star Wars had a blatant one scene to the next plot hole, I wouldn't consider it a plot hole. Star Wars (like Indiana Jones) is based on old serials. Those had crazy plot holes.

[@bunnyboy1]

Being written in AFTER something either in a movie or book does not change the plot-hole lol

[@Christmas_Joe]

It changes it on lore, but not in film

[@Backtothezack]

No but it does “fix” it

[@mydoggylives]

@@Backtothezack Only if you read the book or comic though. For those that only watch the films, then it's still a plot hole. It's not a bad idea to try and "fix" these things in the lore, but it would've been better if the original writers had given them a little more thought beforehand. It is what it is though. When you're rushing to meet a deadline... stuff happens. 😏

[@BoatingWithDad]

These are all just expanded lore fixing plot holes. It's a Star Wars tradition.

[@lynnerose7891]

The fact they never called her by Episode 6 is stuoud. WHERE WAS SHE??? Was she not curious about Luke Skywalker and how was he connected to Obi Wan Kenobi? Or trying to redeem Anakin?

[@chefdean7257]

He's not the only one turned on by clone troopers. I mean, have ya seen the Micro Series' ARC troopers ?!? 🥵

[@FFA441]

They could have shown us force speed again when obi wan chopped maul in half why not use all your reserves of energy to end the fight?

[@ericthompson3982]

Absorb/dissipate. Critically underused force skill.

[@graeschuster4952]

All I know is that the rocks put into the sceen, to hide R2 from the Jawas, look terrible and should never have been added. Kind of like most of the changes made to those films...

[@oggel33t]

More lightsaber throws would be nice!

[@RUBBER_BULLET]

Plot holes that are retconned in other media are still plot holes.

[@ReicantheJester]

well the thing about Din Djarin not knowing what a Jedi should still be an issue, even if he never met one as both sith and jedi were quite well known by Mandalorian warrior clans due to the Mandalorian wars which made training on how to take on force wielders a thing, particularly those wielding lightsabers as that means they'd need flak and shrapnel weapons and not blasters plus the difference between Sith and Jedi due to their distinct difference in battlestyles. and come on, the Acolyte is not to be taken serious as it was written by someone that literally hate the fans of the franchise lmao

[@clancykohl]

I think especially some highly conservative Mandalorian Cult would teach about Jedi, who the Mandalorians traditionally see as one of their biggest adversaries. As they are a warrior culture, and the Jedi aren't exactly fond of war and stuff, their relations were pretty much always tense.

[@devinfaucette]

I NEVER thought THe Ki-Adi-Mundi thing was weird. Ceren's live a long time. It always made sense to me.? Oppo Rancicis is in Star Wars Jedi Survivor in Flashbacks during the High Republic...Some Species just got it like that. Lol And I mean, The R2 thing...you gave a lot of reasons....but if he was so loyal and whatnot as he is, the Skywalker's "Protector" as it were, why would he wish to shatter Luke's reality? That's a special kind of cruelty when I person thinks in their heart of hearts things are one way and you come along and turn everything upside down. He'd probably seen too much tragedy. Why would he want to inflict that on this little 19 year old farmboy? Lmao Sometimes it's easier to let someone believe one way if the reality would not be something they could comprehend?

[@jamesmacleod9382]

Maybe if Luke knew he could have used the talk-no-jutsu on his dad sooner and magically turned him into a good guy.

[@cellodude432]

How does nobody understand that the problem with ki adi mundi is NOT his age it’s the fact that it contradicts his line in the TPM, the age is whatever but breaking cannon and making him aware of mass killing of Jedi in a period of thousands of years of peace is just dumb

[@TDoogey]

🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@mangekyoubyakugan5913]

They should have used Yadle, the fact that Dooku killed her as a security risk was already established in his transition into a Sith

[@b91318]

1) mundi's narrative purpose in that TPM scene was to "be wrong" and demonstrate the hubris of the Jedi at that point 2) by the end of the acolyte there's nothing that implicates him having any knowledge of anything to do with the "Sith" nor did any living Jedi at the end ever hear the word Sith even mentioned. honestly, no issue no problem

[@cellodude432]

@@b91318 the idea of him being wrong was that the Jedi were too blind to see it because of their own arrogance not because they were lying

[@Spike-ex5bp]

And their arrogance was the reason they were so blind to the dark side. They Believe they Knew better than anyone else and to prove them wrong would've made everyone lose faith in the Jedi a lot sooner. They personally have never seen a sith and they believe that they are extinct. So if they actually knew that the sith were not extinct do you honestly think they would have announced it to the entire galaxy and prove they don't have a clue on how to protect these people??

[@mattstinnett5952]

Sooooo, they really are plot holes.

[@dragonballhelpwithgames8794]

His age is not the plot hole it's the fact he knew about the sith and said nothing but in episode one said he said they hadn't been seen in over 1000 year so that's the plot hole

[@sasamichan]

People facing issues with these is so dumb a lot of these are obvious.

[@frankharr9466]

It all makes sense.

[@kenhughes-pt9tb]

Didn't Bail Organa wipe R2D2's memory at the end Ep3?

[@johnbyrne3402]

No just C-3PO

[@ExiSTEIN]

👋👋👋👋👋👋👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@riversarcadereview385]

possible that R2D2 never knew Luke's last name

[@YavorM-Yash]

Not really. Remember the scene in The Empire Strikes Back when Yoda was telling Luke the truth about his father, R2 peeked through the window. And I think there are more scenes when the full name of Luke was mentioned before R2.

[@AJ-ox9rj]

First

[@Onio_362]

4:18 why didn't she just say that instead of telling Finn "I dOnT kNoW"?