10 Things We Actually Wanted From The Star Wars Sequels

Nostalgic reunions, compelling trooper tales, and the other things we wanted from the Sequels trilogy.

[@benrodgers1189]

I absolutely wanted the original characters to overshadow the new ones. They were the main reason why people showed up in cinemas to watch the sequels in the first place. To suggest otherwise or that no one wanted the focus to be on them is dishonest.

[@RainFall2112]

This doesn't sell toys. Kids want new toys and new heroes.

[@stevegallo8483]

@@RainFall2112 Yet the new toys they made for the Sequels didn't sell. The ones for the Disney standalone ones didn't sell well either.

[@RainFall2112]

@@stevegallo8483 that is true, but they tried 🤷🏻‍♂️. They finally got a hit with mando and baby yoda

[@broncojuan]

Of course we all did. However, having a bunch of 70+ year olds swashbuckling across the galaxy wouldn’t have made any sense. They needed to pass the baton. I blame Lucas. He should have made sequels 30 fucking years ago. Then focused on making his terrible prequels.

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

I don't think many expected the old characters to have been the focus. But definitely that they should have been there in the background and been strong.

[@seantlewis376]

#5: A coherent story. That's the big one for me! The producers knew going in that they were making a trilogy. They had the opportunity to make a three episode story arc that actually made sense, instead of three movies that just featured the same characters.

[@jessodum3103]

I absolutely think this should have been #1 on the list.

[@williammitchell4417]

I would agree about John's character. Seriously, the issue of PTSD is a huge concern regardless of which military.

[@frankharr9466]

He had so much good potential.

[@angryboxingfan]

It is but it was Finns first battle and he run as he didn’t want to kill for them. He then killed plenty of storm troopers , knowing they were stolen kids like him. He see and did worse things after leaving.

[@sasamichan]

I'll do my list before this starts 1. Mara Jade 2.Grand Admiral Thrawn 3. Cindel Towani 4. Dash Rendar 5. The New Republic gets to use Imperial technology along side Old Rebellion technology to combat a new threat 6. Luke's Jedi Academy on Yaven 7. World Devastator 8. Shout out to the Animated stuff 9. Anakin's Ghost 10. Luke learns about his mother also they should have done an animated Jedi Academy series before this one

[@HerpMcDerp89]

I would add Kyle Katarn and the Valley of the Jedi to that list.

[@sasamichan]

@@HerpMcDerp89 good choices

[@dhenderson1810]

​@@sasamichanAnything not from the Extended Universe?

[@sasamichan]

@@dhenderson1810 good question 1. Chewbacca's family but older and done better 2. Baby Yoda all grown up 3. Luke's Ghost confronts Kylo 4. Learn that story for an other time 5. Anakin Ghost talks to Leia 6. Luke learns about his mother 7. JarJar returns 8. Boba Fett lives 9. Dengar in the Solo Movie 10. Jaba's Son 11. The crew of the Ghost 12. Wedge is Po's Father 13. More Lando 14. more Maz Kanata 15. Liea uses her powers to force grab a Star Destroyer and make it crash 16. Ghost Mace Windu or Mace Windu survived his apparent death 17 Ghost Quigon 18. explore the ruins of Echo Base 19 Go back to Cloud City 20 Go to Naboo 21 reclaim the Coruscant Jedi Temple 22. Empire and Republic ships fight side by side 23. Get to know Rose's sister before you kill her off 24. Do SOME THING with Rose 25. Have Admerial Akbar Sacrifice him self to help the fleet escape 26. Ben Solo destroys the 1st order and builds a new evil empire that's different but still evil 27 Make Palpatine a clone or an illusion rather then survived 28 more ewoks 29. Have Rey's parents be some one else 30 Galactic Zoo

[@Fortnite_anakin]

palpatines fleet got to big to quickly

[@BushCampNinja]

TFA could have been great and delievered to the OG fans. I would have started with the OG cast on the Falcon trying to rescue Ben from Snoke and bring him back from the darkside. Along the way they stop on Jakku for supplies and Luke senses something in Rey. Rey being a scavenger agrees to leave with them and join the adventure. Meanwhile Poe is on a secret mission against the first order and encounters Finn who is having doubts about being a stormtrooper. Soon Phasma captures Poe, but Finn knocks her out and save Poe and they escape together. In the second act The Heroes all rendezvous together, Rey meets Poe and Finn. Then they all learn about StarKiller Base. Fin Says I know how to stop it. So he leaves with Han, Chewie and Poe. Meanwhile Luke and Rey are off to face Snoke and Kylo. Rey is still extrely raw in this episode as we are just learning about her force abilities. The final act are the two big fights silmutaneously, but in my ending the first order wins. They wipe out the same planets they did in the version we got. Luke and Rey can't beat Snoke and Kylo combined YET...so Luke retreats to save Rey. It ends with the rebellion licking it wounds, but Luke begins training Rey for the next movie where she will be more powerful and form her connection with Ben. This is just my dreram version of the Force Awakens.

[@neilyexley4533]

That's a film I'd like to see

[@kierenmoore3236]

Already miles better than what we got … my only reservation, really, being that the start doesn’t feel like an Episode I remake; I’m not saying it does/would - and, as Lucas always envisaged, the overall story is supposed to ‘rhyme’ (so a tip of the hat to Ep 1 is more than fine …)

[@user-nd4xr9fq9g]

I wish Phasma had been used better. Especially after reading the Phasma book, where she was a truly awful and intimidating person, it just makes me sad how much they wasted her.

[@nkish]

#5 : A cohesive story is the biggest one for me...

[@daniels7907]

I think that this is why Paramount decided to subtly mock Lucasfilm by giving us a Picard finale that was *exactly* what we wanted!

[@flickmonger87]

Absolutely. I'm a Trekkie, but the franchises have generally been balanced. Up until it came time to bring back the old actors, then Picard absolutely smoked Star Wars.

[@Rigobert-Wupperschnitzl]

I'd say that Picard 3 is exactly like SW sequels. Somewhat reimagined, "made better original" with the same visuals, but no magic and even good script.

[@cm9241]

You are a supremely weird person if you think Paramount made the Picard finale to "mock Lucasfilm." You may not know this, but not every decision in the world is made out of spite for some kid's space wizard movie you didn't like.

[@Vialated979]

This is a great list, but you forgot "familiar planets and alien species." The ST almost feels like it's in a different galaxy.

[@sanddagger36]

Rian Johnson: "Let the past die. We will remove Luke, Han and Leah and replace them with Rey and Admiral Holdo." Fans: "What about Palpatine. Can that past die?" JJ Abrams: "Hell no."

[@thecunninlynguist]

fans weren't clamoring for no palpatine

[@sanddagger36]

@@thecunninlynguist they were disappointed in his return

[@DW3010]

Sigh…JJ had no intention of using Palpatine. The “big bad” was to be Snoke, then Johnson killed him off.

[@S2GUnit]

​@@DW3010I hate al 3 Disney movies but thank god Rian killed Snoke. Just like he broke Anakin's saber & got Orange Yoda out of the picture. JJ is an idiot, Anakin's saber never should have been found, we didn't need a shitty Emperor 2.0 or Orange Yoda. Rian is an idiot too but fuck JJ. HE started this shit but not having Luke in ep7 & having a stupid coincidence filled ep4 remake.

[@craigx-ecute5089]

Failing to deliver a massive space battle between the two fleets at the end of Rise of Skywalker was the biggest fail ever. All the ships were there and we got about 20 seconds of action.

[@FindecanorNotGmail]

As I watched TFA, what I expected to see at the end was not a lonely sad Luke, but a Luke together with a large contingent of the New Jedi Order in preparations to take on the Imperial Remnant. What a letdown.

[@anthonyyoutubefan7567]

Exactly. I figured Luke had a plan, which is why he was out of the picture over the last 4 or so years, hatching it, through the power of the original Jedi texts and surroundings. Ironically, that was kind of JJ Abrams' plan...however, Rian Johnson asked him to not allude to it, at the end of Episode VII.

[@ASCARNAZ]

I know right! Also in the original trilogy, Luke was the guy who saw the best in people, even Darth Vader. So seeing Luke try to kill his nephew because he had a bad dream was also extremely disappointing, and it basically gave whiplash with how the character changed for basically no reason

[@Nintendoggy]

The Holdo Maneuver sure looked pretty. But damn did it tear up more plot holes than the amount of cruisers it destroyed.

[@angryboxingfan]

And light speed skipping in the raise of skywalker

[@jamieslingsby9907]

the holdo maneuver was cool and when i watched the film in cinema i had a feeling she was gonna ram the ships as soon as she turned towards the fleet (didn't expect it to be at lightspeed though). The lightspeed skipping is even worse though, clearly they never looked into how lightspeed travel works in the universe.

[@HighHeelKnight]

In the immortal words of Bautista... "GIVE ME WHAT I WANT!!!"

[@masterrserch3971]

Repeated 10 times

[@BG-yz7hh]

I wanted Yuuzhan Vong to atleast be hinted at, you know a different kind of threat than a rehash of the Empire

[@thecunninlynguist]

Your #5, A planned out story should be #1, and that would implicitly make your #1, let the past stay dead, irrelevant, plus your #8 too. Good story telling wouldn't rely strictly on call backs, raising the dead, etc. But because KK had no idea WTF she's doing, we're at where we are w/ the franchise as it stands. Halloween's newest trilogy suffered the same fate...it's obvious they had no idea WTF they wanted to do w/ Halloween

[@dkarras]

A good list. When they announced the Rey movie @ Celebration, I thought for sure that meant we would be getting more of Luke’s story (possibly not just in Rey’s movie but possibly the Mandoverse as well) as that seemed like a plausible part of the reason to jump back in to that story again so soon, we still have Mark. Contrasting choices Luke made in trying to rebuild the order vs what Rey does would be compelling and link the past & future. But we know next to nothing about Luke’s post RotJ yrs & what we do know is mostly contained in the comics and books which a fraction of the audience engages w/. As a kid in the 80s hearing Mark talk about George asking if he’d come back for an Obi type role after the turn of the century my mind always went to something going wrong in his reforming of the Jedi. I figured it might have something to do w/ his limited training & his reverence for the past & trying to rebuild the former glory. Then when the prequels came out it only seemed even more likely as he was so much older than when even Anakin started his training. A sequel trilogy generation would recognize him & Leia for the NEW hope they represented & take what they started and chart a new path. The end of TRoS left me w/ nothing but contempt. I was invested in Rey Nobody. Hearing KK say they have no interest in more Luke stories makes me even less interested in this film by an unknown director. Maybe they come up w/ something compelling. Adding Finn into the mix (if they can get him back) would be a first step. But they are gonna have to sell me HARD to convince me that I’m gonna care enough to bother going to the theatre. Thankfully there’s the Filoni & Dawn (if it ever gets made) movies for which they already have my $$ to invest my interest in.

[@flickmonger87]

'Somehow Palpatine Returned' is a very apt summary of the sequel trilogy

[@AlMoSiCe210]

I will never understand how this was fumbled so spectacularly...

[@timyac]

Harrison Ford wanted out and Carrie Fisher passed away during filming. These things are out of their control. And yet it is still incredible that they had so little understanding of what people wanted.

[@Raygo.]

I'm still not at all sure that they *_didn't_* have any understanding of what people wanted. I'm afraid it still seems quite likely to me that they were just determined to go against that and "subvert expectations". It might have worked if they had actually bothered to make the films good, but it seems that's just not the important part any more.

[@HerpMcDerp89]

Harrison Ford didn't necessarily want out. He thought GL should have killed Solo off back in Empire, but GL wanted the character to live so he could make more money selling toys. Ford likely agreed to do TFA on the condition that Han Solo gets the heroic death he thought should have happened in the OT.

[@dhenderson1810]

And what's the big deal with Luke dying? I knew Luke would return as a Force Ghost, and Hamill appeared in more scenes, dead, in "Rise Of Skywalker" than "The Force Awakens". Some SW fans just want something to complain about.

[@ydnamac]

Good list! The only thing I would've added is maybe Rey turning to the Dark Side and Kylo turning to the Light side so that he can bring Rey back home The middle of the trilogy in the other series had a great plot device going into the conclusion where the sequel trilogy didn't

[@flickmonger87]

Or when Kylo invites Rey to join him in Last Jedi, she actually does, but they go down a new path, not light side or dark side.

[@GenuineMattyC]

Actually a pretty good list.

[@mcleigh66]

We've definitely all reviewed the issues with the sequel trilogy, and I agree with a lot of this, but I do want to say the lack of excellent work by John Williams was not one of those issues. He sampled existing themes quite a bit, of course (I don't mind fan service - "Yoda and the Force" in "The Rise of Skywalker" made me cry... again), but I found plenty of new material to enjoy. In addition to Rey's theme, but he also created a memorable Resistance theme and while not hummable, the First Order March is solid. I also found the music during the firing of Starkiller Base to be haunting. He's still got it.

[@timwise7277]

This may be somewhat of a hot take but I really wanted two things: more prequel love or at least acknowledgment, and a more realized political landscape. I’m not saying to show full Senate scenes like what we got before, but maybe expanding the story a bit, taking us to other planets and maybe learning how they feel about the state of the galaxy. One thing I didn’t like about this trilogy (and tbh the original trilogy too) is that the stories always felt isolated and we were just seeing one small sliver of a galactic scale conflict. At least in the prequels and Clone Wars we actually got to see how the events were impacting the rest of the galaxy. Maybe at least let us spend SOME time with the New Republic before it was destroyed

[@Lobosalsa9]

When the first line of the sequel trilogy is "this will begin to make things right", you know that was a middle finger to the prequels.

[@BoundyMan]

They wanted to make a movie for modern audiences only to find the modern audiences didn't want things to change too much.

[@disneyboy3030]

At least its nice at the beginning that you siad that there was alot of good stuff as well. I do actually have some information about the films. For example the original script writer was trying to figure out how Kylo Ren could be a worthy sucessor to Vader and though it probably pained him, he couldn't see any other way the patrasicde. This goes to show you that sometimes to progress a story arc some tough choices have to be made.

[@JoshuaWillis89]

People who complain about Kylo killing Han are morons. I knew going into the theater than Han was going to die, because that was the only way Harrison Ford would have agreed to return to the role. Granted, I didn't know HOW he was going to die, but I did not expect him to survive the movie. Aside from the real-world influences, it did elevate the story and was very on-brand for Star Wars. It's good storytelling.

[@peterjordan5088]

All I wanted was one scene with the big 3. One. Scene. Then they could've done whatever they wanted.

[@scottieboy415]

The fact that a story is on the list is very telling

[@armalite81]

I wanted an Heir to the Empire version of Luke and not wearing those clothes and cape seen in the sequels

[@nowthatsjustducky]

This indeed...even if it meant including Luuke.

[@PhilBertran]

I'm glad there was no annoying, extended "good to see you again old buddy" between everyone each time. I don't understand why anyone thought the next trilogy would focus on Luke...the second trilogy is his, the first is Anakin's. He was always only going to be a supporting character in a new story like Obi-Wan's role in the second trilogy despite being one of the first trilogy star.

[@Neva2Soon]

Expectations created by the voluminous amounts of ancillary material that Disney ignored and rebranded Legends that involved Luke’s adventures post “ROJ”

[@kenbrown2808]

the original statement when ROTJ was released was that each trilogy was going to be a different generation, with only the two droids living through the whole saga.

[@angryboxingfan]

I didn’t think it would be about Luke I thought it would be about the next generation of Skywalker.

[@astronomerperson]

I don't think I've ever commented on a video but watched a ton of them from this channel. I always find your insights helpful in my own understanding of what Star Wars is to me and enjoy your takes. They're always honest and well connected and I find consistent throughout even while the expanded verse changes with 1000 different authors seemingly not coordinating. Ignore the haters as best you can; they'll always exist and you take a healthy attitude to them in the sense of understanding it gets this channel talked about. On the fame part - I don't even know your name (would have to Google). But keep it coming - it's always a nice take and sparks good convo with me, my friends, and my significant other.

[@InfectiousGroovePodcast]

Most of just wanted a well written story.

[@gerrymcwilliam]

Just for the movies to be good

[@MrChazstick]

Let the past die but also rehash the original saga. Lucasfilm really did not have a clue what to do

[@rickytoddbotelho9555]

Best thing about this movie triple is the soundtrack 😀😊

[@simononeill2374]

Surprised this was condensed to only 11 and half minutes

[@jerryschramm4399]

Do you really believe that Star Wars fans are eagerly waiting to find out what Rey will do next? She's already perfect- how do you beat that? By becoming more human, making mistakes, learning from more experienced mentors? Nah. Just more of the same Mary Sue nonsense that has doomed the character. What is so frustrating is when Rey finds herself in an interesting situation, as in the cave of duplicates, suddenly, cut away and move in a new direction. The training of Rey by Luke could have been an exchange, where she gets wisdom, and Luke re-ignites his belief in his own destiny. So many lost opportunities. But then again, we did get Finn becoming the butt of jokes, and Rose doing whatever she did.

[@edcarnathan32]

Leia with a light saber kicking some arse.

[@Binny2014]

Rise of Skywalker should have been 2 movies, to flesh out Palpatine's return and how Lando convinced the galaxy to join the fight.

[@simondewitt7161]

Number 2 was the most confusing thing for me. The complete lack of wars in the stars in Star Wars. The Last Jedi was the only one to have a large scale space battle.

[@stevegallo8483]

The original trio of heroes (and Chewie) reuniting on the big screen is what everyone wanted, but Disney couldn't give us that. A cohesive story through all three movies would have been good, and JJ Abrams gave Rian Johnson a blueprint to do that with the Last Jedi, but Johnson had to do his own thing.

[@dhenderson1810]

Just watch the old movies if you want that.

[@anthonywutkowski199]

The Star Wars sequels were one of the biggest cinematic letdowns ever. I don't think they'll ever be topped.

[@dhenderson1810]

Maybe you have grown out of "Star Wars".

[@tremontefr5617]

Mara Jade and Ben Skywalker.

[@pinballpoolshark]

"Dale, what a damn shame"

[@kenthomas505]

Although I do find thngs to like in all three sequels I do agree completely with #5 and 6 on this list. The whole sequel trilogy should have been planned out in advance, and definetely Han, Luke and Leia should have been all together at least once before Han's death in the Force Awakens. I agree with most of the other elements too to various degrees. Outside of Rey's theme I can't remember any other new sequel theme that caught my ear, and that's strange coming from John Williams. Finn should have been used better, yeah, and Palps shouldn't have been brought back in Rise when they already had a decent villian in Snoke. I still like the sequels in general, but they could have been so much more. Too much wasted potential left unused or unrealized. What a shame.

[@TheCastellan]

3:15 Bait 'n switch.

[@benleeper332]

About the only thing I enjoyed from the sequel trilogy was the Snoke Throneroom fight. I had chills the entire time. Phenomenal. The other 5 hours and 50 minutes were shit.

[@veerchasm1]

The sequels were entertaining but ultimately useless. George Lucas’ original outline should have been followed

[@The_Rising_Ape]

Public Service Announcement: What fans wanted from the sequel trilogy... Heir to the Empire. That is all.

[@roberttorrey3213]

Darth Angelus on KZbin is making that a reality. The first 23 chapters are done and the rest are coming

[@nowthatsjustducky]

Even if it meant including Luuke.

[@kenbrown2808]

#5 is the biggest one.

[@pineapplepapercrafts]

Ok to be fair with John Williams he is like super old. Let the man just make whatever he wants. We all know we will listen lol 😂

[@tomasdaugerot2492]

With Star Wars I have a similar feeling than to Game of Thrones. They had the biggest fan base, great stories, great charachters, and they shot their own feet with nonsense. At least in SW you can keep watching the first 6 (+ Rogue one) and you have a closed arc... Unlike GoT in which almost no arc was satisfyingly resolved.

[@kendrathompson5207]

1.A lot more respect for the original cast. George Lucas would never have had Christopher Lee or Alec Guinness drinking milk from a space cow. 2. Luke Skywalker as a master 3. An original cast reunion 3. Forced ghost of Anakin advising Kylo 4. Finn confronting a clone 5. No Palpetine

[@josefsilvia5360]

John Boyega, Mark Hamill, and Oscar Isaac deserved better. Especially Hamill. I didn't mind Luke's fall from grace, but too much happened off screen. And to not reunite Han, Luke, and Leia? That was a terrible decision.

[@j-prins61]

The dark Rey scene

[@amirmoradi9595]

Episode 9 would have been a million times better if they kept palp dead and maybe just used a holocron of his memories or something to guide Kylo

[@alexanderkruglov5199]

I'd like to see the New Republic as it became after the Empire was defeated. What was shown in the films is simply ridiculous and does not look like a conflict on a galactic scale. It is extremely unclear why the First Order is opposed only by a small group led by Leia

[@heelmoxley365]

It’s clear as day behind the scenes the attitude was ‘it’s Star Wars so they’re gonna like it.’ No Disney, no.

[@angryboxingfan]

Let’s be honest any half decent writer could have written a better sequel trilogy.

[@joedickinson6566]

You mist one why they not just use dark empire or make it so they’re not just ticking a list

[@mishkalarsoncreations]

For once, I agree with everything you say

[@darmal8770]

Everything said in video and following comments all point to one thing: Rian Johnson killed the trilogy John WIlliams: There were some great re-uses of original themes throughout eps 7 and 9, but the soundtracks cut these incidental pieces out (Where is the complete score a la Episode 1?)

[@willloveless9327]

ONE SCENE with Mark, Carrie, and Harrison would have been enough...for fucks sake

[@dhenderson1810]

"What we want" "What we want". Who cares what you want.

[@TheStarWarsGuyAp]

Maybe one day..

[@qualityserviceexperts9996]

Can't help myself. I still feel like Lando is part of the group and he gets left out a lot..

[@flamingheron8017]

What could go wrong? Disney!

[@dhenderson1810]

Hey, you were all happy when Lucas sold to Disney do that he couldn't "rape your childhood" again. Maybe you were all wrong.

[@nowthatsjustducky]

All I wanted from the sequels was nothing more than the Thrawn trilogy (even if it did mean introducing Luuke.

[@Fortnite_anakin]

They need more knights of ren fight scenes and exegol is too dark too see the fight scenes

[@bobcrandall7749]

I wanted The Thrawn Trilogy out of the sequal trilogy

[@notapplicable1296]

We needed someone to keep the general pot of all three together not do what u want its only star wars anything goes sithspawn, nerf herding, poodu lined death stick smoking u get my drift

[@enzobambino]

Episode 7 was a wreck. Episode 8 took that damage and burned it to the ground. Episode 9 used those ashes and made a nonsensical Frankensteins’s monster. Prove me wrong.

[@ianoag]

A lot to love about the Sequel Trilogy? The Force awakens was so awful it put me off wanting to see Episode VIII and IX ! . . . . . Yes I agree a lot of the topics on this list were wanted but we didn't get them. Instead We got Episode VII "Return of a New hope" , Episode VIII "The Least Jedi" and Episode IX "The Rise of Disney" - I'm not a vindictive, violent , malevolent Person but Disney, Abrams and Johnson should be sent to the Spice mines of Kessel for what they did to such a beloved Franchise. I play the Star Wars Role Playing game and have made up better stories for adventures while being tired and drunk. If they wanted decent, original source material, they'd have been better off buying the rights to the Dark Horse graphic novel series - At least that way they could have explained how "Palpatine Survived" All in all, a coherent story (#5) was all we really needed to make things a bit better.

[@zshah3107]

Allow Han Solo to die in Episode 8 instead of in the 7th Movie!

[@TheWorldMemeDatabase]

The music isn’t as good as the prequels, and nowhere near the originals. But it says something that it’s the one thing all the fans can agree on.

[@dhenderson1810]

The problem with the "Star Wars" franchise is its fanbase.

[@Smiggly2574]

One theory I have about Finn is the original idea was for him to be a jedi but Kennedy changed it feeling the CCP would not release the film in China since the CCP spreads propoganda.about blacks in China and allows its citizens to say what ever they no matter what the product is (Google the television programs that are made) Finn being a Jedi on makes more narrative sense

[@banthatracks_gaffisticks]

If they were just going to kill off the original characters they could have based the film further in the future after they were already dead. Same new characters just later.

[@johntabler349]

I actually liked the sequels a great deal but nearly every one of these suggestions would have been an improvement especially handling Luke better and a reunion of the original cast

[@thegreypath1777]

We wanted ANAKIN Skywalker to kill Palpatine in Episode 9 - NOT Rey. This was Anakin’s fight.

[@sawin-rf7yr]

Luke was fine in episode 8. People change after decades and experience things that can make them bitter and less optimistic. It wasn't like these movies took place directly after Return of the Jedi. I was a lot like Luke in my early years. Now I'm dealing with stage 4 cancer. He of course isn't but the darkness in his nephew scared him. And there is a scene in Return of the Jedi where he was going to kill Vader when he revealed knowing about Leia. The Rise of Skywalker was a mess of trying to satisfy the fans by reading comments and incorporating them into the script. JJ should not have been allowed to do the last one.

[@NapalmSunset]

"Luke was fine in episode 8"... No. Episode 8 is the garbage that derailed everything. Just no....So much no.

[@hungnguyenquang7247]

Yes they shoud rebuild the jedi order than copied a new hope but with no back story

[@covagotnextgaming]

I wish movies would stick to the OG characters. If they're going to kill anyone off, please let it be the new characters. Killing Luke after ruining his character is just annoying. They should've killed Rey, Finn, Po, Rose, or Kylo before they killed Luke, Han, or Leia.

[@frankharr9466]

I'm O.K. with the Jedi going away. They failed. Luke tried to bring them back and they failed again. Ray should try for something new. Something without the Jedi's baggage Again, I'm O.K. with the big three not meeting. They're in a really bad place and that shows us how bad a place it is. Everything else I agree with. Boyega was not used well. They kept changing direction and why the hell is Palpatine back? And why does he hate the galaxy so?

[@brianfix4404]

I’d like to see Rey re-invent the Jedi order that permits marriage and a grey wielding of the Force instead of it being in such absolute terms of dark and light. It has been hypothesized that Mace Windu mastered this.

[@frankharr9466]

@@brianfix4404 I wonder how much the Jedi was a reaction to the Sith or the Sith to the Jedi.

[@brianhirsche7126]

"no one was begging for the likes of Luke, Leia, Han, Lando...to steal the spotlight away from the new generation" ummmm... I was!! boo, on the new cast, except Poe. He could have been a central figure next to the old team; that is okay. Haha

[@warrencapp1899]

10 things that fans actually wanted that Kathleen Kennedy didn't provide.

[@AnimeOtakuDrew]

What I wanted from the Sequel Trilogy but didn't get? Solid character development for the new characters (or at least characters with fully fleshed out personalities). Sadly, only one of the new characters ended up being anything more than a one-dimensional cliche, and that character was sorely under-utilized.

[@HerpMcDerp89]

Honestly I put the blame for the sequel trilogy mess squarely on Rian Johnson's shoulders. People complain that TFA relied too heavily on nostalgia, and was a rehashing of ANH. But, for the most part, that is exactly what the fans wanted. Perception didn't really change until TLJ. Rian very clearly went rogue, and just did whatever the hell he wanted regardless of the effect on the overarching narrative of the universe and the characters who inhabit it. I very much suspect that Colin Trevorrow exited his role as director of ep.9 because he couldnt see what the hell he was supposed to do with the dumpster fire RJ left for him. I don't think it was ever the plan for JJ Abrams to bring back Palpatine, but I also don't think he had much of a choice. RJ had set the stage for the weird Rey/Kylo connection so clearly Kylo had to have a redemption arc. That left JJ needing a big bad for RoS. That movie, while not great by any means, was as good as we could have hoped for given the circumstances.

[@dhenderson1810]

I don't see why everyone complains about the return of Palpatine when other media had Palpatine still alive, years before Disney even had the films. I didn't hear anyone complain then.

[@alexhenderson1312]

Yep 👍💯 And RJ had the full backing of KK and the Story Group to do what he did! 💩🤬👎

[@dhenderson1810]

@@alexhenderson1312 I agree that the biggest criticism I had is the lack of consistency between the films. Say what you want about George Lucas, but he was involved in the planning all six of his Star Wars movies. Even when he had other directors (like Irvin Kerschner and Richard Marquand), Lucas wrote all the stories and pieced them together. There are criticisms of Lucas' SW films (especially the prequels) but one criticism most SW fans can't make is that there was no direction of where the story was headed. You may not like the journey to get there, but the films, watched in order, at least head somewhere. JJ Abrams wasn't even on set when Johnson did his film. There was no firm vision. They should have signed Abrams for all three. Now, I heard that they originally had a different director for each film, but the one for the last film got fired, and Abrams was given the last one as well. Anyway, they should have had one consistent visionary to have all three films follow a consistent story. But you all wanted Lucas to stop doing it. Maybe a few are reassessing that.

[@dhenderson1810]

I don't get the criticism of Palpatine coming back. Firstly, it isn't even an original idea. Some of the comics and other media had a Clone Palpatine in them. So it is only copying that. I never heard any of you complaining about the comics doing it. Also, any chance to see Ian McDiarmid in the role. He makes a great Emporer.

[@mgrandison1]

If you were soooooo powerful... why wouldn't you change your own name from, "Snoke?" The lack of writing or exploring myth is just beyond poor storytelling. 'Andor' showed us that a well written script only needs minimal special effects.

[@Mr.B23]

So what they should have don’t in the sequels they are doing in the new rey sequel sequel lol

[@wickdaline8668]

Damned if the sequels did, damned if the sequels didn't.

[@nonamenoone1484]

The way they completely botched the sequel trilogy is simple astounding to me. I shudder to think what could’ve/should’ve been… 😕

[@vincentleone4021]

How bout the main characters together in 1 scene. That is just too much

[@playerthirteen9695]

In conclusion: New trilogy = Failure.

[@canuck_gamer3359]

How about just making sense?? The handling of the Luke Skywalker character was so outrageous that it's really beyond explanation. It is akin to some idiot having made a movie in which John Wayne appeared as an annoying and whining character who felt sorry for himself. It would never have been tolerated and Wayne himself would never have appeared in such a film.

[@Iggybart05]

They criticized episode 8 about one thing and I was like “oh yay balanced analysis!” And then proceeded to do the usually of saying how amazing it was and the other two sucked…. I guess props for finally criticizing it more than just calling it “divisive” but can we stop acting like it wa the one good movie? They all had issues, and while pretty, the holdo maneuver is not something to praise and if that’s all it takes to make a great space battle after 2 hours of boring chase… do you see how it sounds biased when you guys talk about the trilogies individual movies?

[@Conpauleonina]

We was robbed I tells ya. Robbed!

[@brianmulholland2467]

Thing I wanted from the sequel trilogy that I didn't get - good movies. 7 was watchable, but unimaginative. 8 and 9 were unwatchable garbage.

[@Punmaster9001]

It would have been great if they created an intelligent, cohesive storyline. Episode 8 was the best of the 3 because Rian Johnson actually tried to tell a story. But it ultimately fell apart because abrams was so lazy, he copied someone else's work, and then decided story didn't matter and turned the empire into a typical disney villain. Frankly, abrams should stick to his medocare movie making, and people should stop blowing smoke up his ass. His ego is too big for such a disappointing director

[@S2GUnit]

To me, Rian finished it off but JJ is the idiot that started this shitty remake trilogy with Luke hiding & Super Rey with a coincidence filled ep4 remake.

[@flickmonger87]

Episode 8 was great! I clearly remember thinking to myself 'I bet this is what it felt like to watch Star Wars for the first time in 1977'. It was so new, so fresh. And on another note, between this and the Star Trek reboots, it's clear that JJ Abrams is criminally overrated

[@dhenderson1810]

You hated the prequels, you hated the sequels, you hate all the TV shows. Face it, you people have never moved on from the original trilogy and you never will (and they were overrated, especially "A New Hope").

[@simonptaylor79]

Good list… The sequel movies were trash, any of these items would have been an improvement!