1000cc Trophy Kart Build Pt. 3 | Mounting the Rear Axle

We build the beginning of a dashboard for the 1000cc BMW powered Trophy Kart! We were especially careful to leave PLENTY of room for feet & legs. We also mounted the rear differential! Out solid axle is from a 1981 Chevrolet Chevette. It's heavy, but it ought to be absolutely bulletproof for reliably putting the BMW K100's 90 horsepower to the ground.
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[@CarsandCameras]

Those tires on that rear axle😍

[@everythingenginenate966]

CarsandCameras crazy!

[@lethargicstove2024]

Is there gonna be a body on it ?

[@everythingenginenate966]

I hope so Cough - John - cough

[@drewtooker4243]

Might I suggest a triangulated 4 link in the rear to eliminate the need for a panhard bar?

[@1byte4]

Its coming along great, this is your first build with all the gear so if you don't like something change it or you will lose inspiration for the build.

[@VasilyBuilds]

A possible idea: Weld a 1 1/4" keyed coupler on the driveshaft, and on the opposite end, so you can run a gopowersports 1 1/4 axle as a driveshaft.

[@jamesblanton9364]

You guys are going great on this project, and i'm sure not just me, but all of us are love'n it. Thanks a bunch boys !

[@jdmjedi777]

That's gonna be one fast motorized bathtub!

[@jdmjedi777]

Holy moly! Thank you cars and cameras for loving my comment. You guys are awesome!!!

[@danielauen7790]

@@jdmjedi777 Thank god you didn't edit it! lol so many people do that...

[@davidkirk-hahler2016]

Lol that is exactly what I thought when I watch this

[@steaknbacon5851]

That thing is gonna be a beast! I know John's parent's yard is happy y'all moved 😂

[@kurtyoung6769]

I always wondered when the move would be mandated.

[@steaknbacon5851]

I have a feeling it was some time after the birth of the cross kart. That thing looks like too much fun

[@darrellroeters4951]

Grass is coming back.

[@zrili]

Beast no-no ...POS!

[@trevawhitmoyer682]

Amen!

[@nitrocarnivalSSS]

Cant wait to see how this project turns out!! Although, Miata shocks and coil-overs aren't gonna give you the plush, long travel suspension that your wanting and that this chassis needs. Miata suspension is made for a 2,000 pound car and at the most have 5 inches of travel. Go on eBay and get yourself some used shocks off a Polaris RZR or equivalent SxS. They are around the same price as used Miata suspension and will give you a lot better ride then any car shock will. Keep up the good work!

[@kurtyoung6769]

When you removed that Chevette rear end i knew something was in the works for it! I just didn't expect it so soon. Good job to both of you.

[@CarsandCameras]

Kurt Young thanks!

[@daddy_coolio9047]

I can't wait till you guys drive this thing, especially with the new property!

[@kiheirc3195]

2 drive shafts Spinning between your legs Pretty crazy guys can’t wait to see the progress Thank you for the video be safe

[@josiahw3219]

Jon: it's a drive shaft. Isaac: it's cute 😂😂😂

[@Tampaboys]

Looks so good guys great ideas went the drive line very cool rock on 🤘 fellas

[@DCDLaserCNC]

Lookin good guys! I was glad to see the solution to that weird rear diff from the motorcycle. Rock on guys!

[@sethcude]

This is the best project that y’all have ever done keep it you’re doing great job!!!

[@JR-rj8lm]

Seth Cude first

[@CarsandCameras]

Seth Cude thank you!!

[@sethcude]

You’re welcome 😉

[@sethcude]

Y’all are the best youtubers !

[@williamcummings6562]

These bigger builds are really fun to watch ! Love it

[@albertoreyes4114]

The bigger the channel the bigger the builds, y'all are up to something huge for those 1 million subs 💯👌

[@jamesmcgee9279]

Right on guys! I hope you find whatever you need to complete this build. I Can't wait to see this bad boy running.

[@Tampaboys]

Those tires look so sick on there great work fellas this thing is going to be super sweet

[@potatozamanco4550]

For the bump steer, keep the levels of the tie rod mounts the same on the frame and the wheel. Looking good guys!

[@joshbryan8028]

With the amount of travel they want that would put tie rods at a severe angle at max travel.

[@vaoutdoorssportsman3555]

Grind Hard Pluming addresses front end geometry on several of their builds. (Barbie Jeep, Honda Oddesy, etc.)

[@fredericrike5974]

A thought; a Twin I Beam style suspension, both axle halves pivoted in front of the motor and front steered. If you use a drag link to operate one side the steering would avoid needing to go through the engine space.

[@SportbikerNZ]

They already know this. Aint their first rodeo. Becomes different ball game with extreme travel.

[@fredericrike5974]

@@SportbikerNZ Agreed- the current hhot set up with some of the four wheelers in Texas is based on the Ford Twin I beam- huge travel. it does have some geometry probs at full droop, but for a back country vehicle that will seldom see 45 mph, no big problem. The front steer is to get the tie rods and such away from the motor, and those tie rods need to be the same length and plus or minus 105 of the individual axle length. While I'll agree this isn't their first rodeo, they are looking for something they really have not built before- 18" suspension travel, bounce and jounce is huge- a Humvee doesn't have 60% of that. Also the Twin I Beam is not on the menus they have been working from, so I thought I'd through it in there. FWIW, all front end geometry becomes iffy at the extremes of most long travel designs. Additionally, a drag link type of steering gear will avoid having to pass the steering shaft through the motor, rather by the side of the motor and tie the drag link end to the steering arm on one side and "share" the input thru long, articulated tie rods, run parallel to the axles at ride height , equal length and with their "input ends" very close to the same point as the pivot for the steering knuckle they are tied to.

[@5THR33S]

Much love from straya boys, y'all have inspired me to build a kart over lockdown

[@davidkirk-hahler2016]

Me to

[@tbagindustries4331]

Got 2 on the go 😂 Kawasaki 250 race kart and a gx390 2 seater offroader

[@chilli9414]

Great Video Guys! Can't Wait To See How This Thing Turns Out!

[@sosnowskijordan93]

I love these big build series you guy do 😎

[@Vibrant13]

Starting to look awesome! Cant wait to see this thing moving!!

[@theGoodNightArmada]

Please post more than 2 times a week. Signed everybody!!

[@awpgaming7505]

good luck..

[@xone_mi]

editing is a really long process of creating a video, even editing a 5 minute video could take nearly an hour If you do enough editing not to mention how long it takes to do the stuff they do in their project videos

[@K3NnY_G]

"Please give me more free content because I want it." Sincerely: Everyone who doesn't comprehend the time and effort that goes into every video.

[@SportbikerNZ]

@@K3NnY_G Agreed. Same goes for "give me 30 minute videos" not understanding that the fewer, longer, videos released means taking a financial hit.

[@nickopedia5669]

For minimizing bump steer a double wishbone setup is pretty easy and will keep your speed up in the rough straights. In our baja SAE cars we have 10-12" of travel on a 15" A arm setup and can keep it under 3 degrees of bump steer. Getting into bump steer while turning is some high level stuff and more trial and error with CAD simulations than anything, so I wouldn't recommend bothering with it for this. For setting it up, just make sure the tie rod mounts of the steering rack are in line with a line drawn from the upper A arm pivot axis and the Lower A arm pivot axis, and that the upright's steering link mount holds the link as close to parallel with the A arms as possible. It won't be perfect throughout the whole travel due to your kingpin angle giving you unequal length upper and lower A arms, but if you can have it parallel at right height it should be pretty close through most of travel. Since you probably aren't building a steering rack from scratch, you'll probably have to make extensions to whatever your found and support them with just some plain nylon or UHMW bushings, but mounted inboard by the distance of the racks travel. (so the rack would have to be pretty skinny, like something from a quad, UTV, or golfcart rather than a car). In a front mounted tie rod design, pivoting the steering link towards the wheel will increase ackerman, while bringing it in towards the car will get you closer to parallel steering. How much ackerman you want depends on how much wheel spin you're going to have, and whether you plan to drift through the corners or brake and try to corner them properly. In my experience with vehicles with a 70% rear 30% front weight balance, the parallel steering is very susceptible to understeer (even at higher speeds), while it can actually get some grip with around 70-80% ackerman steering because the front tires aren't fighting each other until the rear breaks traction.

[@kaistuppnig1037]

I've been wanting y'all to do a build with a rear axle for a while now and I absolutely love this build. Keep up the great work!!!

[@jaisrides764]

I’m so ready for this build I loved the cross cart but I think when its done do a race against the cross cart

[@thinkingmanhillbilly]

You should use a VW front beam make your front suspension a whole lot easier to build it just bolts in

[@colez4651]

Casey Nolte then they wouldn’t be able to get the travel they want

[@ghomerhust]

maybe a vw lower front k member from a mk2 or mk3 golf/jetta. flat, cheap, steering attached, and easy to mod. in fact i think i have a spare somewhere that i might be able to donate to the cause. its 4x100 for the hubs too, so that should be pretty compatible with your wheel selection

[@nickis_speedshop]

@@colez4651 really depends on the way the beam is set up

[@nickmccain6598]

Yes. This thing needs a real chassis too but I'll watch this thing bend as soon as it goes over a jump. It will be more entertaining

[@MrVolksbeetle]

Yes, and make it ride like absolute crap.

[@bernardorajao590]

These chevette axels are used a lot for drifting here in Brazil, since it's the cheapest car, and it handles 300 horsepower without problems, pretty heavy duty.

[@kennethdispain1807]

Coming together guys looking awesome

[@centurion_053]

Nice! I’m over here with my stock predator and you guys are building this power horse!

[@joshuaadler4259]

Hey you gotta start somewhere

[@CarsandCameras]

Cayden Roberts gotta start somewhere!

[@brianproffitt7263]

I’m ready to see what the role cage looks like it’s gonna be sick

[@mcsstudios101]

Awesome guys! This is gonna be wicked.

[@grimytech]

Holy moley guys, that thing is looking clean 😍

[@jessejohnson2604]

I love the thought you guys are putting into this project. :) When I get some money I will buy some of you merchandise to help support you guys. :)

[@CarsandCameras]

Jesse Johnson thanks!!

[@jonwodziak4167]

Comment for support. You guys are kicking ass. Can’t wait to see it done.

[@ervingoertzen7233]

I like that you guys use ingenuity, anybody can throw cash away. Great videos guys !

[@jasonhall1203]

Ugh!!!! Need a longer vid. Can't wait to see this running.

[@sugar-3-Danny]

Loving the build

[@techhead976]

Awesome! Can’t wait until it’s done.

[@DanskVRGaming]

i guess fred from "Dirt Every Day" we love this project. he is so much into offroad

[@wesleypurkey7149]

After this build it would be really cool to see a rally/Baja chevette build💯

[@kazzapratt7356]

love the vids guys good work

[@chrismartin6544]

She is starting to look like machine I can’t wait to see what it will become

[@lx1402]

Sickkkkkkkk this is an awesome build guys. Watching from new Zealand churr

[@jfranksenior7509]

Can't wait for the first rip with it at the JonnyIke off road park and test grounds!!!!!!!

[@vrubenmarques8593]

I want to see more of this project! it's getting very good

[@jeffjankiewicz5100]

I wondered what you guys were going to do with Ike`s Chevette rear, lol mystery solved. This is gonna get sketchy............and I love it!

[@MIckveli2]

* can't wait to see what she's gonna look like. !!

[@jimsaquatics]

No tools, no plan, no problem. Lol. You guys flying by the seat of your pants is great to watch! Good luck!

[@zebastianhansson8383]

I am just waiting for this build to get finished. I love it❤

[@Chris_Mc.]

Damn guys, you're builders!

[@cynthiamwhitaker]

i am so excited to see this project done. I LOVE TROPHY TRUCKS!

[@josiahw3219]

Wow it's been awhile since I've been this early this is the best project yall have ever done God Bless yall stay safe

[@CarsandCameras]

fisherman 56 thanks you too!

[@RobertSalamun]

New name for this thing! The Castrator! Because when the driveshaft lets go while straddling it, all will be over with! At full rip!

[@tjsloan4168]

Dear lord this thing is going to have some torque with that short of a drive shaft!

[@danbrian1898]

Love your guys stuff, always fun to see what you guys make next... I like this other build a guy did and for front suspension he cut a leaf spring in half and bolted 1 half to the Frame and other to the axle turned out amazing...

[@jacobbreazeale1816]

This is gonna be sweet, great job guys best project yet!

[@marksmithson1414]

You guys stay safe and healthy. Keep it going guys and it'll be fine!!

[@JoseManuel-lj4dk]

Great video, I've been using the same husky tool box you guy's have an daily basis..

[@chicagovasko]

John man you got some good ideas and izy man that guy is a working machine. I love this build this will be a badass build.

[@krabbe6300]

Greetings from Norway!

[@RRDfinland]

🙌Hello from Finland

[@chevette7683]

Good using the chevette rear end

[@v8power561]

Maybe power steering on this build? That would be a challenge but very worth it!

[@RRDfinland]

Easier way put civic electric power steering (mk7)

[@LJM2stepspain]

I think Ikes idea at 3:50 needs to be put on the back-burner for a potential idea and further evaluation. A home-made Vanderhall/Polaris slingshot type vehicle that works semi-off road would be out of this world.

[@owenspencer828]

CANT WAIT FOR IT !!!

[@cybertronianexchange595]

Really wish y'all went with the reverse trike for this. That would have been awesome. Seeing that offset drive shaft, you should put in a 4wd transfer case and throw an old claw foot tub in between the frame for seating. It will be the bath tub bouncer.

[@jfranksenior7509]

You guys are awesome can't say it enough we love you in Michigan got me building mini bikes for every kid in Baldwin some go carts too

[@thedoc9236]

Pumpkin Chunkin here in Delaware, great memories of going for many years. Best times were on Rt 1. Old days....

[@gamerguy8843]

Great vid keep up the great work 🤙

[@myrtlelittle4130]

You guys look a bit young to have been around in the days of the Chevette. Hope you beef that differential. We used to call them "Shove It" for many reasons. Wish you the best. You always overcome problems.

[@robertbelote5273]

its gonna be good , i half expected you guys to completely change the build once Isaac said reverse trike .

[@gfg_horseman7159]

On camera, the angles of the proposed drive shaft look a little crazy. It could be different in person, but from the video, it looks like it could end up being a problem on the first drive. I almost think it would be easier to use a different rear diff, like one from and old Miata, it would give you a longer drive shaft and make it easier to aim the pinion where you want it. If you want to make it work what you got, I respect it, its going to be nasty any way you guys go about it. Awesome concept.

[@darrellroeters4951]

Great build guys learn as you go luck is with you.

[@themadscientest]

Funny story, one of the guys from team Chucky the catapult with all the problems the first year Discovery covered Pumpkin Chunkin is from my area. Saw one of Mark's mini prototypes using springs in a different way than others because he worked with the parks in the area and I was at a night hike for my brothers scouts group.

[@ethanpereira9233]

Love this build idea!

[@TheBestOrion]

This is looking amazing! I freaking love it!

[@jryer1]

Awesome build guys!

[@MrBranbikenut1]

For the front suspension/steering, look into how the ford ranger/explorer guys do the setup with the twin traction beam suspension. That might help out with lots of travel and having a functional steering setup with minimal bump steer.

[@23832]

“That axle with those atv tires equals I like to party” one of the best quotes yet

[@qiuckresponseforcetowingqr1248]

Carsandcameras Copy the superlift, prerunner steering links. Basicly an over-engineered idler arm and pitman arm setup with equal length steering links. Just make sure steering link angles match the control arm angles and on center line of the upper and lower control arms. As close as possible anyway.

[@rickygreen8532]

That is looking good

[@red-j5247]

I would recommend a Jeep spicer rear drive shaft they are the shortest I can think of, maybe off of a old tj wrangler

[@ironenergy1327]

That thing is savage 😍

[@shroomskunk]

You boys need a fly press. Punch holes, fold sheet, notch tube and allsorts 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@tristenwitt7444]

I love all the builds you guys have done!! But In the future if both party's are willing. I'd love to see a small build off between you guys and Grind hard plumbing co.

[@jamesgreable3370]

Looking good guy's 👍

[@preetamdasika7636]

"YEHHEAAAA, ITS THE SAAAAME" and air cannons are the pumpkin chunkin' meta

[@edwardwerick2420]

I'd suggest changing the torque tube mount so it pivots vertically. The stock rubber isolator won't have enough flex for the suspension travel you want. You could do it easily by trimming the stock mounting plate and welding on a washer to each side vertically. Add pieces of angle to the mounting plates on the frame and bolt the washers to them loosely so they will pivot. If you use the torque tube as a suspension link, you won't need to add 4 more links. In fact, it will probably cause binding. The tube will control pinion and brake torque as well as forward and reverse thrust. The coil overs will control roll and jounce. I would extend the outer suspension links to pivot on the same axis as the front torque tube mount to control yaw. BTW the gear ratio of the Chevette rear should be 3.36:1. Also, Chevette brakes really SUCK. Consider changing to disc brakes. Nice start on this build!

[@Chris_Cable]

Can you guys give your playlists some love please? It's hard to follow the various series you guys do if there isn't a playlist :)

[@boondockthompson8190]

Widen the top frame rail and make it a two-seater beater. Gives more ergonomics and comfort from the driver seat!

[@darrellroeters4951]

Like how you use existing parts.

[@SigurdtheRyder]

Looking at your frame ther and the relationship of the rear end and the frame you might consider quarter eliptic springs in conjunction with the existing suspension. You will need to add a panhard bar but it would be simple and effective.

[@drewtooker4243]

Please do a interleaved a arm front end like on old school trophy and Baja trucks.

[@demonkillr790]

Love this build

[@blkicemike4857]

I like watching them build buggies,carts,etc,.. Although i would like to see longer videos, at least 30-45 min. But i assume they're certain guidelines they are required to follow w/utube. Oh well,..

[@demonkillr790]

I was thinking you should make the rear of the body come to a point like the bars you put in over the driveshaft

[@iamthemachine1300]

Hey love the build vids

[@billcohnen6326]

Looks like you will need a center carrier bearing along with 2 U joints for that to work,hopefully the existing angle is workable.

[@dkendrick652]

You should use a triangulated four link on the rear axle. It will allow maximum articulation of the axle, and it eliminates the need for a panhard bar.

[@Leo-iw9hi]

I love your channel you look like the two guys from 30 minutes or less

[@troy-from-cjrc]

A triangulated 4-link would eliminate the pan hard bar and give you awesome articulation for the rear suspension.

[@aussieblues3663]

A off road reversed trike would have been the ultimate build.

[@wicklash9065]

Only problem with that is hills don't get enough grip so they can't climb too well but they're good over flat and medium inclunes