Was Darth Sion REDEEMED after KOTOR 2?

[@100StarWars]

"I am glad to leave this place... at last" - *KOTOR content is BACK!* So, do YOU believe Darth Sion was redeemed in his last moments? Let me know in the comments below!

[@LJ-qq8lx]

redeemed? yes. light side embraced? Harder to see but possible.

[@mikeor-]

Darth Sion redeemed himself in a way that I always found interesting. Sion's redemption by letting go of everything reminds me a lot of what Darth Vader did. In the end, Vader let go of his fear and hatred, and that is what ultimately turned him back into Anakin Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi.

[@00martoneniris86]

Yes he redeemed him zelf

[@00martoneniris86]

What if Jedi revan redeemed Darth malak

[@00martoneniris86]

Did revan redeemed Darth malak

[@PapitoQinn]

Regardless, he still did something the Jedi masters couldn't do. He let go of power. I might even say that that act was more significant than anything.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

This. This is gold.

[@100StarWars]

True that.

[@wyattdetherow6853]

oh hey its that other guy who makes really good star wars videos.... cant even say im surprised to see you here lol

[@PapitoQinn]

@@wyattdetherow6853 Thanks, man! But yeah, I've been around.

[@teggerzz]

I don’t agree I think it stems from not understanding “power”. Power means, “to be able to” it’s the noun form of “can” I can, you can, he/she/it can Pouvoir in French Poder in Spanish Etc Jedi seek power over themselves Sith seek power over the external world So no, the way Jedi masters don’t let go of power isn’t the same as the way a sith doesn’t. But hey, few people understand the word “power” so I almost don’t blame you

[@vetarlittorf1807]

I think he was. He let go of his anger and embraced peace.

[@GentlemanJacque]

"I fight because it is the power that the Force fills me with. To survive, to inflict the pain on others." - Sion I'll say that indeed he was redeemed. He finally managed to let go of his hatred and find peace.

[@FishTheJim]

Well there is a big difference between Vader and Sion. We know that there was still good in Vader and that was clearly because he still loved Padme and that love was what Luke sensed in him. Love is what saved Luke (and Leia as well) from the Emperor. Darth Sion has an unknown quality about him in this regard. Was there something from his own past that the Exile tapped into with her words? Something that the game left unsaid? Or was it something else? This exchange between the Exile and Sion is the best in the game but a little more information on Sion could have proven to be an even more powerful exchange between the two.

[@BattleshipAgincourt]

I disagree in the ‘good in Vader’ as we never see any until the end. He murdered his wife and sought to destroy everything she valued. Vader didn’t die good, he only sacrificed himself upon realizing that he had nothing left to lose… I never bought Vader’s so called conversion. He and Sion are exactly alike as depicted in this video.

[@Cailus3542]

The thing to remember is that Sion and Kreia both "love" the Exile because she did what they could not. She turned away from the Force, rejected it completely, something that they could never do. It's like a drug addict meeting a recovered addict. The Triumvirate were all victims of the Force, all hated it, and so Meetra (someone who defeated the "addiction") was beautiful and precious to them. Ironically, while the Jedi feared Meetra, the Sith loved her. Moreover: I agree that Sion redeemed himself (or was redeemed, take your pick), but disagree about the "Light". I've never liked this forced duality of Light and Dark when it comes to the Force, especially since the Jedi themselves rarely describe it like that. There is no "Light", no warm fuzzy feeling or honking great beam of sunlight. There is only the Force, which is infinitely more complex and mysterious. Sion didn't become "good" through his redemption. The Exile just helped him let go of his pain and finally find peace in death to become one with the Force.

[@thestanleys3657]

Wow that was a greatly articulate statement 👍👏

[@Kolonol1]

That's exactly what I always try to say. George Lucas disagrees but then He also didn't even write 99% of what star wars is just changes what he wanted it to be week to week....or what his wife wanted it to be I guess lol

[@StygicHymn]

Very well said! There's so much more going on here besides redemption too it's all very moving.

[@mitchellhayward6492]

Fully agreed. Sion's death was never a redemption to me, nor even a happy ending. Being "glad" to die after a lifetime of pain is not what I would call a happy ending. I'd call it a sad ending to a sad life, when you consider all the things He had to experience, and all the things that he may in fact have never experienced. He never embraced love or compassion, not willingly. Even in his last moments, he was resisting those feelings. He let go of his hate - for his own sake, for a moment of relief - and that was it. Now that you mention it, "Light Side" never sounded right to me either. Even grammatically. You'd think "Bright Side of the Force" would be the name for the other aspect. Or simply "the Light". But this game is nonetheless a perfect example about how the actions, faith, or beliefs of a Jedi or a Sith are not so black-and-white. And I always love seeing how even today, people appreciate this game for what it is.

[@jddi1527]

Agreed

[@TY-km8hj]

"I am glad to leave this place...at last"- Darth Sion My favourite Scottish sith

[@100StarWars]

Great quote!

[@brandonpilling8313]

Darth Sion Autopsy Report: Cause of death: [Excessive Simping] #BreakyourChainsSion

[@siborn9190]

I am so so happy this video is not about Andor. I feel like Sion's story is very poetic. His anger and hatred gave him something to live for and in the end he found something to die for. I see it as he had to let himself die otherwise his hate would not let him stop until he killed the Exile. A great message of how love can overcome hate.

[@100StarWars]

Yeah, Andor be done and dusted. Back to the usual programming!

[@ravensoath]

Great video as always man! I believe that Sion absolutely achieved peace and let go of his hatred. That was what was holding him together after all. But I do not think he came back to the light side per say. Had he lived he would not have become a Jedi

[@mikeblaze7424]

His name is sleeps with vibroblades

[@DarkLOREDash]

It pains me to say this but... Darth Sion did nothing wrong.

[@100StarWars]

Apart from all the murder ofc ;)

[@Aly_166]

I'd love to do a Sion cosplay if it wasn't so hard to pull it off :D

[@100StarWars]

Just sleep with some vibroblades ;)

[@GaAntifascist]

I don’t know if you’re aware, but the power of love is a curious thing. It’ll make one man weep, and make another man sing.

[@100StarWars]

Oh I'm totally aware, Joanna. In fact - if you change a hawk to a little white dove, it's more than a feeling - that's the power of love!

[@derrickstorm6976]

Vader supposedly turned back to the Light Side, Sion just gave up on the Dark Side

[@100StarWars]

I would argue Vader just... did the right thing? Light or not.

[@Kolonol1]

I disagree there. Sion did not hold the light or dark. Partly because Treya did not teach light or dark. His actions may have been dark in nature but I don't think that any of the Triumvirate ACTUALLY served the dark side as it were...that's where I think the Jedi are wrong....Sith doesn't mean dark side per say

[@buek14]

Yes, we want a video about Revan's redemption too! ;) This was amazing...

[@100StarWars]

:)

[@lanesmith1465]

Kinda funny. The only female main character in Star Wars game and she wins by talking him to death. Obsidian was real.

[@thestanleys3657]

Redeemed sure he released the darkside in order to die for The Exile but join the light I doubt it

[@LJ-qq8lx]

'sees 100%StarWars back to making KOTOR videos' *squeels in excitement like a little girl*

[@StygicHymn]

Kotor 1 and 2 are so rich and it's got a depth to it that most games or anything lacks especially in Star Wars.. ESPECIALLY as unfinished games. Sion I don't think found redemption what he found was more precious and that is peace. Being redeemed would require one to know what they had done was inherently evil, and he never challenges his actions. Traya, Nihilus, and Sion weren't Sith in my eyes but slaves to the dark side more entities than actual beings with feasible goals. Sion was possessed by pain as much as Nihilus was possessed by hunger, and Traya with betrayal. Kotor 2 was a look into the dark side, and I think there's no coincidence in how all three mirror aspects of Vader.

[@TY-km8hj]

Well said and i agree, tho sion was a sith long before the games events and was the only one of the three to really "be" a sith rather than simply take the title of one

[@RayOfTruth]

The "redemption by death" trope can work, but it needs to serve the story like Vader and Sion, and not be done for no reason besides tradition. Lost Stars is one of the best Star Wars novels, in part because ambiguous but hopeful ending. A far better ending than either Rise of Skywalker and Jedi Fallen Order which forced the redemption by death trope in a way that didn't serve the story and only threw away any intetesting potential future character arcs for tradition.

[@miqvPL]

Cailus3542 said what I wanted that sith of the KOTOR2 all loved/admired Exile for being what they weren't able to become. Dark side of the force is supposed to help you break the chains and be free, but it's not at all the case, since you start to rely on the Force for your own power. But it wasn't the case with the Exile. Through her unique connection and willpower she was the truly free person, one every sith beliving in the sith code wanted to become. And she was feared by the jedi and treated by them as a freak of nature. Naturally, since they openly, even more than sith (who are shown in KOTOR2 basically as hopeless addicts, destroyded completely by their addiction) are addicted to the Force, no willpower or drive to bend it under their will, just go with the flow junkies who also believe that their way is the ONLY right way to be force sensitive. I love it, I love the Exile since it's a character magnitudes more complex than Revan. And I will forever truly hate Drew Fatfuck Karpyshyn for turning the Exile into a random Revan's servant nr 32 and killing her off like she's some worthless shitstain. An author too moronic to even understand what he did, how he took a dump with his fat ugly ass on a better writer's work.

[@TY-km8hj]

Drew fatfuck karpyshyn🤣🤣🤣well said man, well said

[@georgesuarez8325]

Amazing and astounding video my friend. However I do have to disagree that Darth Sion has a redemption arc at the end of KOTOR 2 similar to Darth Vader. Sion by the end of game is broken, tired and in constant pain...he failed to prove to Kreia that he was more than the Jedi Exile. I don't doubt that Sion had feelings for Meetra and she was able to convince him to let go of the force and to show what true strength really is. I didn't see Sion's death as a sacrifice to save Meetra and enabling her to defeat Darth Traya. Darth Vader story arc is true redemption to save his son Luke Skywalker from the Emperor and redeem himself as person

[@ShadesApeDJansu]

【Shades Finnish Pirates】I tried to play as a female but did not like it so i quit but i made it to Darth Sion, i was shocked how different reaction he had and was sure that he was in love with my character from the moment he met her. If this is not a redemption arc, then what is and i won't accept Darth Vader's story to be compared. Let's leave Mr. G. Luca's Star Wars to the 6 movies he made, he himself said that that's his Star Wars and all the rest is Star Wars Expanded so i think there is not a to my knowledge as sure redemption arc than Darth Sions. Ben Solo in the new Star Wars movies had a redemption arc, i think his character was only decent one and still the story did not do him justice. I would like to avoid using Kylo Ren / Ben Solo too from comparing, i don't know Starkillers story so i can''t speak of that but there are not a lot of sith's who turn away from the Dark Side and i think Darth Sion truly was one that turned away from eternal life in the Dark Side

[@lukegill6908]

Could you possibly make a video on the whole RCM situation on switch a lot of fans feel like we’ve been lied to by Aspyr and no big KZbinrs have brought attention to this

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Touchy, but an interesting topic worth noting, this.

[@xavierzabie8184]

I think the key to darth sion is that redemption comes in different forms. The truth of Redemption for a Sith is the ability to sacrifice. Especially if it is your life.

[@100StarWars]

Indeed! Which is why I only mention redemption in terms of 'turning towards the light' nearer the end of the video!

[@xavierzabie8184]

@@100StarWars that is his redemption. By sacrificing his life, for someone he clearly loves (an inherently selfless thing), he was redeemed. Letting himself and his hatred go. Even for a few mins.

[@ianhlavac3495]

Your videos are so good man. Thank you!

[@100StarWars]

Appreciate dude!

[@LENZ5369]

If you take Vader's actions at face value; there is no redemption arc -he killed the Jedi and Republic to save his wife, and he killed the Emperor and Empire to save his son. His actions/motives were not based on a good-evil paradigm but one of self interest; which you could argue is bad/evil but would apply to both his "fall" and "Redemption". Sion is somewhat more of a "redemption", he sacrifices everything he had held important for no implicit personal gain.

[@TY-km8hj]

Finding peace and freeing himself from his constant pain would be a selfish goal, would it not? I'd say there was definitely personal gain there. "I'm glad to be rid of this place... at last"

[@LENZ5369]

@@TY-km8hj Yes but it was more of a 'silver lining' than a primary goal/motive, his goals were pretty much to be powerful/immortal/etc. and the pain/hate/etc. was the fuel for those goals, he had already tolerated/used it for a very long time by then. He didn't do something "good" but he chose to stop doing "evil" just to get what he wanted; knowing that it will end him (and his ambitions). So yeah, not a "redemption" exactly imo but pretty close and way closer than Vader.

[@jeffbrewer1580]

Darth Sion is a simp lord

[@100StarWars]

mans just loved a gorl

[@Vecinu7]

Cool

[@100StarWars]

Cool

[@mariogarcia7445]

So if Sion killed himself because she told him to... He's a simp?

[@100StarWars]

A simp lord?

[@mariogarcia7445]

@@100StarWars Yes. The one we've been looking for.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

I guess he was, with his own tortured self. To others, I'm not sure. (Say, 100% Star Wars, what do you think about the Essential Legends Collection of novels so far, and why a certain number of them might not be deemed as "essential" by any means?)

[@100StarWars]

I've been sent a few but not read them. The covers are pretty hit or miss.

[@Kolonol1]

Which novels are you talking about? The legends continuity contains 329 novels....I own them all plus some of the non-canon ones...

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Well, there's the Thrawn trilogy, the Bane trilogy, the first four X-Wing novels, Shatterpoint, Darth Plagueis, Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, Kenobi, Republic Commando: Hard Contact, and Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Upcoming ones are Republic Commando: Triple Zero, Outbound Flight, and Survivor's Quest. And for some reason, the Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void novel, the The Old Republic side novels Revan and Deceived (with the upcoming Fatal Alliance), and Death Troopers.

[@theseekerofancienttruth3873]

@@michaelandreipalon359 There are 10 X-Wing Novels. I know because I Own Them All.

[@andreicc201]

Imagine some genius made a WHOLE fanfiction of Darth Sion x Meetra Surik

[@100StarWars]

No doubt about it somewhere.

[@andreicc201]

@@100StarWars it better be good

[@christophermurphy2408]

darth sion is probably my favourite character from kotor. he was a pretty deep character. more than just the anger and pain he showed.

[@sethbartley2212]

Loved your analysis of Darth Scion (both this and the previous one about his relationship with the Exile) Looking at the character drives, I can't help but reflect on a majorly influential work in history called "Consolation of Philosophy" by Boethius. (he was a Theologian who lived at the fall of Rome.) His work forms the backbone of Tolkien's philosophy in Lord of the Rings as well. Short version: He argues that vice/evil are ultimately self defeating in that while they promise fulfillment, they only deprive people of it. leaving them more empty (and hungry in the case of Darth Nihilus) the more you partake in it. If you have not read it, there is a brilliant discussion by Signum University president Corey Olsen. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZrNpaSKeqijbdk I highly recommend it, it fits right in with your discussions of Scion's character drives. (and the themes of Kotor2)

[@danielkokot79]

Kotor 2 Is my favorite star wars game, the music Is just amazing. Would love a limited series or a series of movies based on these characters.

[@Oshaoxin]

In tact? His body was hardly in tact :p Ahh the power of love, init?

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Perhaps in the sense of correcting an error as a person is Sion redeemed in that sense, but he *certainly* isn't redeemed in the sense of no longer being evil I'd say. I feel thar requires more proactive actions on a morale level, and clear regret for the misdeeds one has caused. Here it seems sion regrets being a servant in general rather than being a servant of evil.

[@ronjon7942]

I really like and appreciate your critical story and character analyses. I have to wonder if you have a psychology and film background, or if you’re a natural phenomenon. Either way, nice work; keep at it.

[@100StarWars]

A natural phenomenon ;)

[@BLERDJUUHEARDNETWORK]

Currently playing on my phone. This is my 56 time restarting the game lol

[@100StarWars]

Goooood.

[@averyjohnson2940]

Darth simpion

[@dornfist3913]

Merry Christmas @100% Star Wars! Fantastic video! I love Darth Sion's character arc in KOTOR II through the female Exile POV. I wish his story had not been cut and we had seen more. But it is beautiful and tragic at the same time.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

One of the best written characters from the old republic era.

[@Kolonol1]

FINALLY!!!! Anyways....I'll be 100% honest I'm not completely convinced he was dark side aligned...I think he just did what he wanted essentially with the force and didn't follow dark or light...

[@someonlinedouche6992]

No, he was a sith. He'd been so for over several decades. He served Exar Kun, Revan, and Treya. All sith Lords. He was similar to Vader in some aspects, but he was Dark Side through and through until the end.

[@Kolonol1]

@@someonlinedouche6992 sith doesn't always mean straight dark side dude...but I don't think he was ANYTHING like Vader...he was considered dark side because he didn't care about killing and he was the embodiment of everything they believed HOWEVER!!! The view you are expressing is the reason the Jedi weren't successful too...pretty dogmatic one sided tunnel vision view of the sith. Sion was driven to that point by something...not because of the dark side...he served Exar Kun...great that's cool....served Revan....ok? He was at Malachor when he served Revan but didn't really say he served him AFTER Malachor...so did he serve light side or dark side Revan? Even if he served BOTH, many good people followed Revan Because He was Revan....and Treya is is a terrible example because she is not one side or the other either...she just hated the Jedi not the light or dark sides of the force....she wanted to destroy it more than serve any side of it...

[@vincvenz5594]

Hey dude,love your videos! Is there some more news on the KOTOR Remake,if so we need a new video on it.

[@100StarWars]

The last video I made on the Remake was a few weeks ago!

[@rob776]

Sion is redeemed but Revan is not? 🤣