1040 Magnetically Assisted Axial Flux Reluctance Motor

[@Peter_Schluss-Mit-Lustig]

Sometimes im just amazed that so much quality content can come out of one channel (especially considering almost daily uploads)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

Wow, thank you!

[@AndreaDingbatt]

@@ThinkingandTinkering This is the Truth, I am a bit in Awe of the Quality and Quantity of your uploads!! Thank you so much! & I am getting my Hubby to Sub and watch you as well. He is a little bit technically challenged, but he wants to change this! 🙂❤️XxX.

[@supermintymints]

Hear hear

[@DigitalArtisan77]

This is why British engineers were the best. They are physicists as much as technicians, hence understanding the why of things. A genius generation and something almost extinct. Nicely simplified and visualised, thanks.

[@ProlificInvention]

Robert, excellent video as usual, you reminded me of one of my favorite things: I have an AGNI 95R motor and am a huge fan of them. I make electric bikes and scooters so the AGNI/Lynch motor is by far the best motor I've ever seen or used and is the ideal power plant. The Lynch motor is a unique axial gap permanent magnet brushed DC electric motor. The motor has a pancake-like shape and was invented by Cedric Lynch in 1979, the relevant patent being filed on 18 December 1986. The Lynch motor can achieve 90% efficiency. It is built from ferrite blocks sandwiched between strips of metal, instead of conventional copper coil windings, and is held together purely by magnets. The motor provides a power of 15 horsepower (11 kW) and only weighs 11 kilograms (24 lb).

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I just had a look - it was quick because it is late - loved it! - I am going to look more tomorrow - really appreciate the info mate - cheers

[@overunityresearchchannel]

I think this series is the most important you have ever done when it comes to generation I'm very excited to see you working on this these types of generators cheers:)

[@joohop]

Agreed Earthling Bless Up

[@clemtv1625]

Love that you make reference to peer reviewed literature. A wealth of information here

[@stevetobias4890]

You could add a step to manually switch using two momentary switches and then use the auto timed switching which even Arduino could handle to switch two MOSFETs on and off in synchronisation.

[@blochebady2460]

Robert, I've been watching your channel for sometime now. This video is the first time I've seen anything that would work to fill a concept I have for very small and precise analog insect flight. With what you have you could quite literally program and insects wing rotation no matter how complicated and mimic it PRECISELY. If you are interested in the idea let me know and I will add more details how it works. I'm not interested in money or anything just a tinkerer with TONS of ideas

[@alexandracrawford800]

Robert, your definition of this new principal design, the "Binary Offset Sequential Axial Flux" or "BOSAF motor" will fit industrial labels, spreadsheets, and of course invoices, very nicely indeed. Economically loopy coils in short!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - love it Alexandra! - cheers

[@thomasmoore4576]

You can always use brushes on the armature to do the switching mechanically as it runs and you can use the power to adjust the RPMs you can also put a neodymium magnet in between your washers and even give it more poweror put a pulley on it with neodymium magnets on your armature and spin it like a generator

[@joohop]

I Know What You're Up To Rob And Your Close ! Bless Up Earthling :)

[@AtlasReburdened]

You may not need much electronics if you use two small, weak magnets on one side of the rotor, and two binary hall effect sensors on the other, such that the hall effect sensors are only triggered when the steel of the rotor shunts the field from the magnet. In fact, you might be able to get away with using only one coil, one 'sense' magnet, and one hall sensor if the 'sense' magnet is just strong enough to hold the rotor in a position which is advantageous for starting, but this would obviously require the start position to be identical to the pulse position, which is unlikely to be nominal. If the sensory apparatus can rotate around the central axis though, this may be a perfectly sensible approach, as it can just have a marked start position, and be moved to adjust the pulse timing.

[@Buzzhumma]

May i suggest feedback coils for your switching . That way your timing is automatically tunable or you can use back emf from the magnetically assisted coil . I also like the idea of abient light switching mechanism . During rotation the light sensitive resistor sensors a breif cut in light emission and that is enough to create a binary signal .

[@hissst69]

I was going to comment the same.. great minds...

[@Buzzhumma]

@@hissst69 yes well they are well know ideas but hopefully we all discover a new way from experimenting that not only is more effecient but also a switch mechanism that somehow utilises natural forces and adds power to the system . Its all about leveraging existing forces and multipling them together for an amplified output that can then be fed into the system and utilised in its operation . Tesla was doing it a hundred years ago! Its all about identifying the natural forces within a given system . Obviously back emf is one but creating standing waves is another such phenomenon that allows amplification of back emf and when that voltage reaches a certain peak other natural phenomena takes place . Unbeleivable things have been undisclosed because apparently humanity isn’t ready to weild such force! If that kind of consideration and judgment today was made with all our pollution and destruction of our ozone layer and climate change etc i think we would be in a much better place but also considering dodgy incompetence of those the seek to govern humanity , i also can see it still may also be correct in its assertion ! Can you imagine orange man having to power to create disapproval sactions of those that don’t follow his narative and block out the power for that country . Or china using it also as a weapon to control its billions of slaves ! Mad world and only getting more unstable . Big house of cards at the moment ! But behold we may still have a few tricks up our sleeve 😂

[@hissst69]

@@Buzzhumma indeed, Tesla is still very mis-understood today, fascinating reading his books and patents.. on my kindle currently :)

[@Buzzhumma]

@@hissst69 you might appreciate the work by master ivo . I am following along and playing around with his circuits. I feel his direction has some legs to it !

[@hissst69]

@@Buzzhumma I am subscribed to him.. I am playing with radio frequency and tunings and efficiencies currently, Master Ivo is light years ahead of my playing, although I enjoy his work. I rarely am interested in theory, much more interested in application as I dont care some group's opinion as to how a photon can or cannot travel through space or if it is matter (partical) or just energy (vibration), I just care that it is here and I can do something with it. Brute force and waste heat is not the way electronics could have gone.. and its really sad that is developed that way. I like resonance and am thoroughly confused and challenged by it so Ill play with it until I can apply it all over. I like this channel because he just does stuff, doesnt argue or over think it and its principles, nor does Robert over explain theories in the why.. just gives the HOW which is all that is inportant and the only thing relevant to people that actually DO things.

[@ScarletFlames1]

So what I'm getting is that this can function as a stepper motor but also let go for a free-spin without any further mechanical assistance. Sounds useful for hydraulics, add a couple of pressure sensors for the hydraulic fluid, use this to power the pump, this will allow you to pump up the pressure and then let go at a (variable) constant rate by monitoring the pressure and locking it when it goes beneath a certain point. Sensor placement will probably affect performance and sensitivity but I haven't looked a whole lot into the innards of hydraulics.

[@joohop]

Rob Have You Played With Magnetic Shielding Plates Before ?

[@jasonwitt8619]

Are those magnets I see on the arms near the coils, hmm interesting place to put them. I was thinking the tips of each arm but I guess that works to. Cheers thanks for the update.

[@WileHeCoyote]

Awesome Rob! Will you have commutators on the side or face of the rotor? or will you use a laser/infrared switch and a very quick relay switch? .....maybe one that toggles between two pols like in old electric forklifts? it could just klack back and forth for your 2 poles, it would look like little rocker arms in an ice engine! HAHA

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers ate and yes initially relays as really this is proof of concept later comes optimisation

[@karlmyers6518]

Great stuff mate. I'll have my mig converted into a euro torch and dialed in by the end of the week. I'm also going to throw a couple inverter plugs to be able to do crude tig and build a foot peddle for gas flow override. Cheers for everything you do.

[@lightcapmath2777]

One of the best explanations, with clear view. Ummm are you a retired college professor? Your passion leads me to believe so. Great work on spreading the knowledge to have other think..."what if we..." you Rock Mr. RMS..AKA root-mean square. lol DVD:)

[@fostroggalf]

This is turning out to be one of your most interesting projects. Really looking forward to where it goes and I might even have to try this one out myself since I have a microwave that just died.

[@danieldougan8550]

Love your videos are very informative what happened to your battery development program?

[@nigeljohnson9820]

Looking forward to seeing the coils pulsed in sequence with a bit of electronics.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@glennwebster1675]

That is awesome...I can't wait to see it in action...Great video as always.... Thanks

[@TerryGilsenan]

Robert, what you have done now is to re-invent the "escapement", this one can be driven by two switches on a pendulum, that is in turn re-energised by the motor itself. I love these wheels within wheels.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

nice one lol - cheers

[@ambersmith6517]

you could add a cam like in a gas motor that opens the valves for the thermal cycle yes thermal or a disk with pegs or holes would work also but i think using the coils to zerro out the magnets would work better with other tinkering two things a sorted coil makes really big current or magnetic flux when a big current has no where to go like open circuit the currun must go somwhere even if the voltage has rise to a big number to do so pancake coils can rise voltage also but it acts like a capacitor and a inductor you cant have one with out the other but one of them will follow the path of least resistance to reach equilibrium with its surroundings when there is no measurable diff is it still there if so we could create a difference maybe a vibration of your voice or a coil of wire least resistance path and a magnet or throwing a rock in a pound and waching the sine wave but no hoizontal movement of water just up and down could you imagine the resistance in every wire from where energy is made to your house could everything knowable by man follow the same set of rules and the rules be explained and understood by throwing a rock in water?????? or maybe just another crazy nut on the internet that thinks water makes a good level either way tread lightly my friends knowing can be a bad thing

[@ThisRandomUsername]

Great progress Rob. I was thinking if you're looking at just switching the coils with an Arduino you could just use a relay module and play around with the periods per coil to adjust speed. Obviously that doesn't have any feedback, but that's not needed for a proof of concept. When I have a chance and I'm back at home I might give this a go, as it's a really neat concept.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - I had to laugh - we are thinking exactly the same thing lol - awesome

[@NickGrumpy]

A little two transistor multi vibrator circuit may be enough to run that motor Rob

[@Buzzhumma]

Actually i tried to make a switch using a electret microphone from old tape player 25 years ago but never finished the project . I was hoping to trigger an optocoupler . As the project unfolded i found it would only be good for lower rpm or lower frequency oscillation so decided on a slotted optical switch but never turned up on order and the project went on the back shelf . I always wondered if that project would have worked well but ah well you cant have everything go your way in life 😣

[@Mrhyah]

Seems like an electromagnetic version of an MSD(Magnetic switchable Device) made into a motor. The mechanical ones just rotate another permanent magnet to cancel out the first. Best case you should be able to get double the torque out of each electromagnet when you perfectly match it to a permanent magnet. But if you connected two rotors with different numbers of spokes in a magnetic circuit, with each one alternatively opening and closing the circuit to pull or release the other wheel, you'd have a magnetic gearbox and could scale the torque to any integer ratio, all with potentially just one permanent magnet or electromagnet. If your current device is two "C"s, then a magnetic transmission would be two "H"s, or four "C"s linked in pairs, with another wheel on the other side.

[@make425]

He must not sleep 😂. 👍👍 Great content for sure. The simplest circuit be two runaway car relay's. Wire two relays together so when you connect the power, one will trigger the other and vis versa. Works great if timing isn't a problem.

[@djc12c]

Could you use mechanical magnetic reed switch(s) instead of a power consuming electronic circuit? Switched off then on with small magnets set in position on the rotor for timing.

[@excitedbox5705]

You might be on to something with this design. SynRem motors have problems with the strength of the rotor due to the air slots they cut into them but since the C is turned 90 deg from the normal configuration you can use a solid non-metal rotor without the distance to the C becoming too great and reducing the efficiency. The problem with (but also a solution) using the magnets to set the flux direction in the C arms means you can not reverse the flux direction. This costs you efficiency because normally motors would work in a push-pull configuration. A SynRem uses a H shape so when switching the direction the flux "moves" in a upside down T (ie left = -, right = +). The flux lines then form 2 circles going through each magnet coil like "chain links". A solution is using 2 rotors and keeping the E arms of the transformer intact. Putting coils around the top and bottom of the E lets you use + poles on the top and bottom arm and - in the middle. This way you get 2 loops of flux (top -> middle arm and bottom -> middle arm). Not only does it let you use 2 rotors but you only need 1/2 more metal for 2x the flux (until you reach saturation in the middle Arm).

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I think it is interesting for sure mate

[@kennyclement2823]

That automatic switching you need, isn't that what brushes on the motor or for?

[@victoryfirst2878]

Since you have a magnets that has a north and south pole and you have a electric coil, does the direction of current flow flip the north and south pole ??? Thanks Rob.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yes it does mate

[@victoryfirst2878]

@@ThinkingandTinkering So the magnetic poles of the magnet will change when the current flows through the coil ???

[@hunter00047]

You could control switch operations with an arduino and a H bridge. See dronebot workshop on H bridges. .

[@martinlicht1969]

Nice, should be fun making a switch. Hook up a double throw, double pole switch and see if you can switch manually. 😏

[@deantaylor1251]

I have found that if I take a bldc motor from a hover board and of the 14 coils in it I will cut the connecting wires between the first two coils and the third one leaving the other 5 of each phase separate from the first 2 coils. I then re attach a set of 3 wires to the ends of the 5 coils of each phase, then I tie one end of the remaining coils together in a Delta pattern and then reassemble the motor, hook up a three phase r.c. motor control to the the original leads and when powered up the output from the new set of leads recently installed will exceed the input by a factor of 3 times the input. Am I wrong in this? I have followed your videos for a good while and have learned a lot. If you can let me know if it's the real deal or what.. thanks

[@rayg436]

the switching could be handled simply with a cam and 2 sets of points then all you need is an on/off switch

[@retr0r4cer]

Great video, I wonder if could use a car relay to switch between them, or maybe your microchips or something, cant wait for next one

[@andy232005]

Great content, Keep up the good work.

[@dexterdixon2000]

Are you trying to make an over unity device? Do you think this is possible?

[@fenwickc2274]

did you happen to see my comment earlier about the patent ?

[@strongforce8466]

Can't wait to see it spin ! you could use the arduino, you probably thought about it I'm sure 😎 but I was thinking it could be even easer to add more coils if you do also !

[@agentrfr1]

Hey Rob If you have a Pi I can write some code for you to do the switching. All youd need is two MOSFETs, two diodes and connecting wire

[@agentrfr1]

Throw in a potentiometer and any ADC reader and you could have something you could tune the switing frequency on the fly. Litterally cost you only 2 quid in parts

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I do have a Pi mate and I really appreciate the offer but I already know how to program it - I am not using a pi for specific reasons - but I really do appreciate the offer

[@toddharshbarger8616]

Isnt this what tesla is using in model 3, Y and semi?

[@stephenjack5322]

Could some contact plates be attached to axis of motor to operate coils

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I would think so

[@robin31122000]

What makes it decide to rotate in the same direction when you apply power to each coil after each other. I was thinking it might just turn left and then right and then left again as you alternate the power to the coils

[@mamupelu565]

I think it was luck

[@gcewing]

Once it's spinning, inertia will probably keep it going the same way. But something would be needed to get it going the right way initially..

[@Fish-ub3wn]

Thank You Very much, second thanks for the paper :)

[@stephenhatfield]

A fun project indeed, and I'll have to research that 90*twist in lamination, thanks! But one quick thing.... TAKE THE CHUCK OUT OF THE LATHE!! lol. I'm always lecturing my robotics kids about that, so my eyes went right to it.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I did a video on that - I don't mean to be rude here - but you are quoting a general rue without informing yourself of the specifics I am afraid - in general I agree with you but I have adapted my lathe so it can't be started with the chuck in - in order to start it you have to remove the chuck key - so in fact in this instance the chuck key in the chuck is the safest place for it to be - can I suggest instead of yelling at me you ask why in future?

[@dexterdixon2000]

@@ThinkingandTinkering I think I'm with OP on this - what are the chances of someone seeing it like that but having not seen your conversion video (myself and OP included). Its a neat thing to have done to your machine but it's so unique! Its such an inherently dangerous thing to do on an uncovered machine which 99.9% of lathes are.

[@paulmaydaynight9925]

lol you could do a hv version with ludic's'Triggered Spark Gap High Voltage Switch' to push them currents bemf 'blade switch required ^_~ but probably better to lash up ' learnelectronics Classic Circuits You Should Know: Astable Multivibrator' from reclaimed de-solder bath bits and adjust for switching speed for now

[@markhodgson2348]

Will you be using relays to control coils?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

initially - yes

[@chuckles1808]

224 views, 43 likes, 2 people are upset that they don't know big words.

[@joohop]

Big Words Like. " Hi "

[@NorthernKitty]

As for a name, maybe abbreviate it to Maxial Fluxtance Motor? 😊 Or perhaps an RMS Microwave Special? 😋

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

lol - and why not lol

[@alexandracrawford800]

Or perhaps "BORSAF motor" with reduced reluctance?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

oh I like BORSAF - it really gets it I think

[@TheClumsyFairy]

Am I being a total newb, or wouldn't you just add an armature and some brushes to switch it? Also do the magnets actually make any difference at all?

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

watch video 1036 mate

[@brettmoore3194]

Ball bearing motor with flywheel connected by non conductive yoke to a faraday homopolar generators on each side of the ball bearing motor. Thermoelectric generators also on the bearings to siphon the heat to electrons. A pulse circuit will be needed for the drive current. It should look like a axle of a car or train. I would cheers you mate but I'm still waiting on the 600v 10TF super cap. You have the equipment and the competition doesnt come near your low voltage design. So would or could you take the challenge for the best super capacitor on the market? I and others would like a go fund you page that had a voting setup for the proof of concept. Maybe you need offer a IPO for your talents in creation so people could have shares in the company,.,., just a thought

[@401ksolar]

Or perhaps he's not a sellout

[@brettmoore3194]

@@401ksolar to generate wealth so one could make a company for humanity's benefit doesn't sound like selling out but chipping in

[@401ksolar]

@@brettmoore3194 I think you're missing the point, Robert Murray Smith's currency on this channel is ideas, his and viewers not just commercial products.

[@brettmoore3194]

@@401ksolar well, thats why I suggested a IPO , he makes things better not new ideas. So if he doeant want humanity to be slowly advanced due to profit margins, beat them to the punch. You speak as if y'all are a couple. Let the man speak for himself

[@401ksolar]

@@brettmoore3194 it's just that I've experienced over zealous people who allegedly supported me who ended up publicly bringing up business laundry so to speak which has its place but just not here but to each their own have a nice day

[@keithcookman2918]

Fascinating 👍

[@NuniqueNewNork]

i was thinking something similar. but I have a different design. I got something worth a patent.

[@colouroboros9993]

brilliant!

[@Ray88G]

What you have there is a switched reluctance axial flux motor.! Nothing new, this idea has been around for a while.!

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yes - that's true

[@electronresonator8882]

Switching Flux Motor = SFM

[@bbnCRLB]

But this has been studied and shown to have torque ripples.

[@neontv6605]

Cool AAFRM

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

cheers mate

[@milliwaysgarage_ie]

relays are best analogue, that and disc and brushes.

[@YangSword9x]

So how do i pay you $money$ help teach me make seaweed/graphene supercapacitors organic electrolytes??? (Need replace/upgrade dead car battery)

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

I am sorry mate you can't - I am afraid I just don't do that

[@TheBILLOFRIGHTS1688]

either robs had his wetabix or that gorilla glue is some dang s**t lol keep up the good work lets keep them microwave ovens out of land fill

[@dgpreston5593]

Fun 2b first

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

wow - that was quick lol

[@leoc4901]

i think this comment section is suppose to be for a useful exchange, perhaps different outlooks . So instead of blowing sunshine up his buttox try helping with useful input and personal experience.

[@VojvodinaNet]

You are a chemist...and you never showed us how plastic is made...at home.

[@ThinkingandTinkering]

yes I did - you just didn't see the video

[@paulanthonybridge5741]

When the heck is he going to actually switch that motor ON ????????