108-Pizza Party Podcast - NETFLIX Blacklists APU from the ANIMATION INDUSTRY and why it's Garbage

[@RebelTaxi]

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[@ryancarless7921]

RebelTaxi I just read the comic. It's pretty funny

[@thatonea-hole]

@@ryancarless7921 LOL

[@Analog_Mind47]

Hotdiggedydemon made a great video investigativeing the Apu controversy

[@kristopherdehoyos477]

Good comic, but on a side note: why is Nolan dressed like Cole froma Infamous, and why are you dressed like Issac Clark from Deadspace? Do ya'll like those games?

[@kristopherdehoyos477]

Also this comment is apparently 23 hours old right now, but the video is said to be only 15 hours old. WtF?

[@ZakisBack96]

Get Out parody with Apu named "Get Out, Come Again"

[@Popcultureguy3000]

YES!!!

[@Ampharosite]

I'd unironically enjoy that

[@MalescoM]

That can be a good Treehouse of Horror segment.

[@autisticautomaton]

He was actually a white guy with his brain put in an Indian man's body

[@HeilRay]

Apu in the Purge protecting his business

[@ZakisBack96]

Al Jean responded saying that the person saying Apu was removed doesn't speak for them

[@RebelTaxi]

So all this has been a lie?

[@thatonea-hole]

@@RebelTaxi *LIES WHEN WILL THE LIES END!!!* *L I E S!!!!!*

[@BugsyFoga]

RebelTaxi so I guess that means a good 23 minutes of this podcast is completely pointless now

[@Jayfive276]

RebelTaxi less lie more unsubstantiated rumour

[@thatonea-hole]

@@Jayfive276 But turning out to be false, so basically a lie

[@CapAlonso2435]

That voice actor argument Nolan brought up really bothers me when Izzy said “that’s different” when he brought up Phil Lamar on Jack and her argument is “it’s because it’s a white guy it’s weirder.” I was waiting for Izzy to explain how till she backs off of it because “it’s too much of a sensitive subject.” It irks me and it feels hypocritical.

[@pathetic2399]

It definitely is hypocritical and double standardish and was the moment where I started to tune out to everything she was saying. If it's racist/bad when a white person does it, its racist/bad when every other race does it.

[@theundertaler5875]

Izzys is basically advocating discrimination. Saying that people of different races are allowed to voice any characterthey want, except for white dudes, who should only be allowed to voice white characters.

[@Millofandubs]

Yup.

[@TheCockeyez]

She's trans and a cartoonist. Ofcourse she's a SJW, she tried to hide it before, but now the dogs out.

[@Bumble_gum]

Why doesn't Izzy make an argument? She just slaps a dumb label on shit then moves on. I'd like to hear her out but she doesn't say anything that isn't a super surface level observation. Nolan claims that people want to look at things through a super specific lens, but no one made an argument for why Apu is not ok. In this podcast of course, maybe they go into more depth elsewhere.

[@Chdonga]

They should have an episode where Apu returns to India, and it's super heartfelt and full of flashbacks and sad music, but then he shows up in the next episode like nothing ever happened.

[@haydengames3v2]

That's really a cheat isn't it?

[@T-Jex]

@@haydengames3v2 Because they havent done that before...

[@haydengames3v2]

@@T-Jex The reference was missed, carry on

[@haydengames3v2]

@@zandithshloper2005 I'll just be moving, Zandith, Ghost behind Zandith.

[@HandmadeGoose97]

Let's see here, pan's dead inside. Izzy is fan service. Nolan isn't famous. And Jim is having too much fun (that face says it all)

[@megano2000]

Very accurate

[@Makocat]

This is the best explanation

[@kyburn6195]

Jim looks like the boat Toad from Mario Party 2. When he's excited.

[@doraeguyakaneddie6586]

Daniel Staples What about Sophie?

[@ThierryRocksTV]

This is probably the most relevant The Simpsons has been in 11 years anyway.

[@Rakanarshi2]

Yeah, I thin this is the simpsons last season and the fact they got another one caught them by surprise.

[@Rakanarshi2]

@don't mind me, i'm just a joke That last episode from the season before showed most of the characters dying.I got the sence that that was it. and in the new season some of the characters are showen as dead at the end of the episode. Either way. The simpsons should have stopped ages ago. How many times have they done a homer meets marge episode? or a future episode? too many.

[@hoodedman6579]

What if this was all planned by the Simpsons to boost their popularity?

[@Rakanarshi2]

@@hoodedman6579 I think you got it.

[@Goku14635]

No. Hank Azaria voicing Apu and Phil Lamarr voicing Samurai Jack are not different situations; they are the exact same thing. Both of them are actors doing a job they were paid to do, no matter what the race of the characters they are portraying is. Keep entertainment non-racially-segregated and without double-standards (also it's ironic that a white person is determining what the rules are for acting in regards to race, meanwhile attempting to seem "sympathetic" to minorities).

[@nowhereman6019]

Das da tuth.

[@Metroid51]

In the words of brain dump "if it's okay for a black man to play a japanese man, then it's okay for a white guy to play an Indian man otherwise you create a double standard". it's all voice acting the person's race does not matter for the character, the voice matters.

[@demetri2716]

They are different things. Hank Azaria playing Apu isn't the issue, it's that coupled with the fact that Apu's entire character revolves around making fun of Indian people. Samurai Jack was created out of interest and respect for Asian culture with the character being a completely dignified badass meanwhile Apu was created so the audience can laugh at harmful stereotypes and the character was the butt of all the jokes

[@ozix01]

@@demetri2716 but apu has always been more than a funny stereotype. Sounds like you re looking down on this character just because of his funny accent.

[@deadrisinfan29]

Goku14635 preach brother I’m Mexican and speedy Gonzales’s is voiced by a bunch of white dudes but I haven’t heard a single Mexican gave a fuck in fact it was “white” people who thought we were offended

[@stevestrangelove4970]

Izzi logic goes all around on the fact that the race of the person is more important than their arguments. If a black person get annoyed by something, the relevance of that isn't that he is annoyed, but that he is black and annoyed. But what can we expect, they are an animation podcast, not a social-political podcast.

[@blitzthespittah3712]

izzy’s logic makes me cringe every time

[@windmoonsoon4472]

@@blitzthespittah3712 yea she starts convos but doesn't continue it and leaves it vague and ughhhhhhhhh

[@thejedisonic67]

"I killed Apu, a symbolic victory over racism" Pan Pizza - 2018

[@Denarius147z44]

Apu was technically a good character- someone who was a small business owner, romantic/charismatic AF with the Ladies, and has high educational degree. Therefore for such a flattering example of an immigrant- its pretty petty to be sensitive because of accents rather then the achievement of an individual despite being fictional character. But smh. white people right?

[@ETWIST51294]

Yeah because thats what little kids pay attention to LOL

[@draphking]

Reminder that Indian people shouldn't have accents, hold onto any images or traditions from their original countries culture. We should all be gray blobs that express no individuality or difference whatsoever. I've never seen someone actively try to white wash their own culture. Truly astonishing

[@jman2856]

There’s obviously a culture clash going on between traditional and progressive in other countries. It’s never been exclusive to the US.

[@hamurabi1066]

Hey Izzy, Dr Hibbert is voiced by a whit guy, is that blackface? I mean its literally on the same show. Not like anyone is gonna read this LMAO

[@hossdelgado626]

thor 2 boys and girls, we need an upvote

[@hossdelgado626]

l kinda, but he doesn't have much characterization, he's just a doctor in Springfield.

[@moonbug7252]

@@493Darkrai Apu's stereotypes aren't harmful though.

[@FreshyMandela]

In the early 90s Bart Simpson was considered the most offensive character in the Simpsons simply because he was considered "wreckless and Edgy", now it's 2018 and Apu is offensive 30 years later, how times have changed!

[@Goku14635]

Ika Citation needed.

[@HadesFist]

Ika- How the fuck would you know that most South Asian were complaining about Abu before the internet made it possible for people to communicate better globally? Did you survey most Asians back in the 90s and form a consensus based on stats or is this shit talk?

[@HeilRay]

15:51 - 16:25 I like how Kumar hates Apu from Simpson’s and thinks his character from Go to White castle/Escape from Guantanamo Bay is a more appropriate depiction of Indian characters. A successful handsome businessman playboy vs a druggie burnout criminal who constantly sabotages his friends success in a self destructing fashion. Stuff your face with sliders and fries and think.

[@juckoosaurus]

he was also an indian stereotype in van wilder 2

[@HeilRay]

DarkSendo94 Really? He’s an even bigger hypocrite than I thought

[@juckoosaurus]

@@HeilRay look up van wilder 2 airplane scene

[@nicholascortez728]

@@juckoosaurus but it's ok cause He's Indian, that makes it a funny joke not a hurtful hate filled racist slight.

[@VoidBoi420]

In regards to Apu, I side with Max G. much more. I think the argument that no one gets up set about Mario being a massive stereotype but no one seems to care is fair. How is Mario any more different than Apu ? Mario himself has become a caricature of Italians. I think Izzy talking about "marginalized people" is just an attempt to diffuse the argument by saying "it's bad cause racism". Max brings up the point that when you become selective of who can be mocked and who can't be, you start to treat one race in a better way than an other, is in itself is racist. It's better to mock everyone one equally rather than be selective because you don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. If a Christian person watches the south park where Kyle knifes Jesus to death, would their level of comfort not be taken into account ? I don't think art should be subservient to the comfort of the audience, because if you don't challenge people what is art really for? Even kids shows challenge their audience. Apu is an intelligent, hardworking, thoughtful character. In a show where everyone is a stereotype, I don't think it's fair to single out one character. What about the Bee guy being a stereotype of Mexicans or Willie being a stereotype of the Scottish ? Why aren't they seen as offensive? Either everything is okay or none of its okay.

[@windmoonsoon4472]

Italians weren't impacted negatively (compared to darker skinned people) in the past though, its not about all stereotypes its about stereotypes that were used to paint paint others as inhuman

[@VoidBoi420]

@@windmoonsoon4472 I don't think Apu is an inhuman stereotype. He's much more than his accent. In fact they even bring it up in the show that Apu is ,in a way, a parody of the Indian American sterotype. I mean if were gonna boil things down to skin color you really aren't being fair. Is the the Lucky Charms Leaprchuan racist ? Irish people were treated with the same civil Injustices as blacks in the early 20th century, and it was acknowledged as recent as 2013's Bioshock infinite. You can't just say something is racist because of the history. The context of Apu changes the entire idea of the character. I mean is the story of OJ racist just because it has black face? No, because with in the context of the narrative that they're telling it's used as a vehicle for satire. Comedy and satire are mirrors that we use to reflect back on ourselves. And as the saying goes "all stereotypes exist for a reason". People like Apu exist and in my opinion he's an incredibly flattering depiction of an Indian immigrant. Yeah he has an accent because he was born in idea, he also has a doctoral degree in computer science and owns a small business. Name one other Indian character as flattering as Apu. Because it's not Raj from the Big Bang theory or Kumar. I'm not saying there aren't any but I've seen Indian people portray themselves in a pretty unflattering light on their own.

[@violentaftervisions3849]

Or Homer being a stereotype of fat people/dads Or Marge being a stereotype of housewives Or Lisa being a stereotype of smart people/nerds Or Bart being a stereotype of bad kids Point is that every character is based upon a stereotype. It's where you go from there that determines their true character.

[@DimitriUmi]

I guess Netflix didn't see the video Max made about Apu

[@CyberLance26]

I dont think most people working at these companies care about what youtubers say.

[@DimitriUmi]

@@CyberLance26 Woooosh

[@HeilRay]

CyberLance26 I thought that too until they started hiring youtubers.

[@CyberLance26]

@@HeilRay Well i atlest dont think they will change there minds about most things only because of videos like that sadly unless the video would get mainstream attention.

[@BugsyFoga]

"They're always in their clubhouse getting high , mainly cause it's always PIZZA TIME"

[@lughaidhmcloughlin3640]

Sophie as Creech is so adorable!

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Brain dump on apu > the problem with apu

[@user-me9il2wg8h]

Agreed

[@fluffy-hellhound]

The Chad Apu vs. The Virgin Hari

[@jadedmillion8991]

It bothers me that Izzy throws that video to the curb because she thinks it doesn't address the issues of the Doc Max was criticizing by allegedly ignoring aspects of it (Which I question in my head...what did he miss? Only to get nothing further from Izzy). But misses the fact that his video is more of a companion piece to it rather than a review of the actual doc itself. Max assumes that the people who are going to watch a 40 min long video about The Problem with Apu Doc would have most likely watched it and knows its contents. What more could he have done that doesn't just plagiarize the entire doc? He gave his defence, he covered the BIG major criticisms that were used against the character in a way that was far less over the top than the doc and surprisingly less antagonistic, he gave valid points and insight that seem to have trumped the doc's baseless accusations of ill intent behind the scenes of the studio and gave the doc a equilibrium of double standards on the subject of voice acting. Something mind you Izzy wants to dismiss Samurai Jack as being a "different" subject for a sensitive subject too much to handle apparently. Because I guess all minorities are just that... JUST minorities. Interchangeable for whatever bull shit idiots want to spout. But alright lets exchange one critically acclaimed show for another BUT this time with white people the ever so critically acclaimed and beloved Avatar the Last Air Bender Aang=white, Katara=white, Sokka=white, Fire Lord= The fucking Joker. Where is the uproar Izzy? Where's the uproar? Oh yeah their wasn't one and there will never be one. Because it didn't make a lick of a matter for the finished result of a masterpiece of modern animation.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@@jadedmillion8991 Honestly I agree 100 percent with you

[@rikowolfin4984]

I don't get why the Comedian didn't want Apu to be removed from the show. Like, he dislikes the character and thinks it's a racist depiction of Indian people, so what is wrong about removing Apu then? You can talk about 'fixing' Apu, but in reality there isn't really anything to fix. Changing his voice actor does nothing if you are just going to get an Indian voice actor to do a similar voice, only proves that there was nothing wrong with the original to begin with. If you replace the voice actor and make him use a normal American Accent and everything else relating to his Indian descent or other aspects that could be seen as offensive, such as him working the Quickie-Mart, you suddenly have a blank character that has no reason to be around in a comedy show and is nothing like his original self. Basically, you have just created a new character anyway and erased what was Apu. You might not have wanted him to be removed, but that's the only way to truly 'fix' the problem with Apu.

[@thejedisonic67]

I'd never thought I see the day where a man belonging to a minority group in America demands that a character hides their cultural identity and conforms to the "American Ways"... And that person isn't Uncle Ruckus.

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

He wanted the character to be more than just a stereotype and actually have some nuance and change. That’s too hard for the lazy hacks writing The Simpsons, so they just removed him instead.

[@jman2856]

But then that gets into the conversation of why is this exclusive to Apu? The Simpsons makes fun of everyone, you take away the stereotypes, you take away the comedy, you take away the charm, you take away the Simpsons. Everyone used to make fun of Soccer Moms but now the Soccer Moms have taken over.

[@ETWIST51294]

Maybe not put him in a stereotypical situation of the universe THEY created lol?

[@rikowolfin4984]

@@GamerSlyRatchet1 But that's the thing, he is more than just the stereotype that you see him as, all of those things are just skin deep aspects of the character himself and there is hardly if anything directly offensive to Indian people relating to the character. He is arguably the most well represented character in the whole show, being shown as smart with a high education, a kind caring person and having his own dreams of why he came to America in the first place which makes him seem more human and relatable. The only thing that could really be seen as a negative is his voice and that is done to literally every other character in the show as well. Again, if you take away everything that could be seen as negative, such as making him sound American and remove him from working at the Quickie mart along with other things such as mentions of his religion or people, or even down to his looks, you might as well remove the character completely because suddenly you just have a normal person in a cartoon show about exaggerated cartoon characters. Then there is the fact that Apu is the least stereotypical/'racist' character in the show, if you are going to give Apu this treatment then why not the rest of the cast as well if this is such a bad thing to have? Now we are left with nothing, not a comedy show, not even a boring Simpsons show anymore, you literally have the fairy odd parents episode of the grey blob people except everyone has the same/no voice.

[@theundertaler5875]

I don't understand the point that Izzy made about Hank Azaria voicing Apu being differen't from Phil LaMarr voicing Samurai Jack. Just because Hank is white, that automatically means he isn't allowed to voice a character of a different race? Is he really advocating that white people be excluded from voicing characters who aren't white? That would be discrimination. The worst part is that nobody addressed this obvious flaw in his argument. Why? Was it because he claimed Hank is privileged white man, and therefor nothing can be said in his defense? If you are going to bring these issues up, please follow them through all the way, instead of backing away from them.

[@hossdelgado626]

Lunar-Tan I'm starting to get the infamous tumblr vibe

[@psychedoutmike5957]

A Mexican voiced Rocko so by Izzy’s logic this is fine but Apu by a white guy is wrong.

[@NhuNguyen-ov5nd]

It doesn't make sense, that's SJW brainwashing for you.

[@chamllis]

You can tell pan and Jim were just trying to move the topic if they agree they agree, but if they don’t it goes on longer.

[@blitzthespittah3712]

izzy just needs to not voice every single opinion that pops into its head 😞 makes me wanna turn off my computer

[@WeirdWonderful]

Izzy saying a white person shouldn't voice non white people but everything else is okay is kind of racial bias so yeah.... Also how the hell are asians, especially Japanese, "marginalised" ? : P

[@aloppai4581]

I feep like she kinda? Had a point. Like other minorities are all usually portrayed stereotypically by white people. Especially in media. It's also a rare thing, it's usually a white person doing it. I think having any person of race doing an impression of another is a little concerning but i guess i see her point. She doesn't go into more detail tho

[@WeirdWonderful]

So are we actually gonna demand voice actors only be allowed to voice characters based on their skin colour ? Or is it that only the majority population of the Western world has to be told they have to adhere to special, race based bans and regulations that no other race has to adhere to ?

[@HadesFist]

This is ass backward. The media content reflect the demographic that makes up its population. For example: if you go to Asia, you’d see a lot more Asian actors in media. Then the fucking ass backward logic would be that there are too much Asian and we should cast more white. Derp. Stop with the race shit. I’m Asian and was born in Vietnam, just saying that cos I seen media there.

[@HadesFist]

To clarify: my reply was to Al Oppai. Yeah, try watching voiceovers for American movies in other countries. Sometimes there’s only one narrator voicing all the characters.

[@HadesFist]

Tesla-Effect Watching foreign movies/shows where to put on American dub and accent is the funniest shit ever. Great magic, high laugh.

[@Sjono]

As a black man I have no issue that Cleveland Brown is voiced by a white man or that Lester from that spinoff show is voiced by a black man. Voice actors should be hired on their ability, not how closely they physically match the character they’re voicing

[@ToonCrate]

These titles have reached critical levels of clickbait and I love it

[@Radi_vvanker]

Is Jim... Monster truck?

[@kyburn6195]

I thought I forgot that movie... THANKSALOT

[@HarukoPlease]

He should have been Judge Dread because The Judge

[@bernebelmont1857]

And Sophie is Creech

[@dennisbowen452]

Also 3 years since ken retired.

[@Dappis]

feelsbadman

[@Jo-jg3cn]

Sad day

[@xenocrimge6660]

Whatchu know about waffles, shrek

[@AlexThe1Menace]

Rest in pieces Ken "YOU FUCK"

[@SquishSkid]

✊😔

[@price2camper]

I liked that "Steven universe is Garbage and here's why" but only for entertainment, because that video is so bat shit insane

[@Cyburim]

Scruba tubba I dislike the content creator since they're a bat shit crazy "trans" sjw

[@price2camper]

Diet Pizza i don't watch much of their videos, but from what the small stuff i do see, it's basically micro versions of the garbage videos

[@dantefloressq]

@@Cyburim why the quotation marks? She IS trans

[@Cyburim]

Amanda Flores Well she makes no effort to be trans... I'm not in any way transphobic but it's been 2-3 years of her being Lily without putting the effort into being trans

[@dantefloressq]

@@Cyburim Trans people dont have to transition to be valid, nor do we have to pass as our gender to be valid. Please think about what you say because a less patient person than me wouldve understandably ripped you a new one.

[@XehanortX2]

Once apon a time some man child couldn't get over being teased cuz of Apu. So he got him off the show.. the end.

[@HeilRay]

And he calls himself a comedian. He’s probably his biggest joke

[@TurtleRhythm]

Danny Fenton didn't go ghost for this

[@WilfredCthulu]

Question: What would you do if Garnet from Steven Universe got sauce on her index finger while making pizza bagels and she licked/sucked the sauce off it real sexually?

[@justinmease997]

That'd never happen because Amethyst would scarf down every stray drop of sauce that didn't get cooked inside a bagel.

[@thejedisonic67]

"You keep your fetish away from me"

[@mothost6929]

Now that's epic

[@Kumaclaws]

Would it be a Ruby or Sapphire trait?

[@WilfredCthulu]

Matt Trulock Both

[@ThePhilosophyII]

Pizza party game Idea: Sofie's gonna be like Yoda on soul caliber... nobody's gonna be able to hit her cuz she's so small. Plus she has a 1HKO where she says "dada" and everyone's hearts get destroyed

[@All4Tanuki]

Man, Izzy really *is* on the spectrum

[@HeilRay]

She has high speed internet?!

[@bundleization]

Kek

[@caitealyssa]

@@HeilRay Anyone who has Spectrum knows that is not the case

[@ProjectKYA]

I mean... Add another mental illness to the pile :D

[@shrek2andgoku]

@@ProjectKYA oof

[@pathetic2399]

Izzy was really hard to listen to in this stream, at least when it came to the Apu controversy part. That sjw logic that defies actual logic.

[@hossdelgado626]

Pathetic yeah, I felt the tumblr was strong with this one

[@ryancarless7921]

Woah, nice costumes. I get some of these references. 🎃

[@thatonea-hole]

I know what that is!

[@scumbad7953]

Issac, Bowsette and Cole McGrath are all I get

[@bingus_luver5984]

I think maybe Jim and Sophie are the characters from the movie monster truck

[@Flip-a-dip-dip]

Whats pan supposed to be?

[@HeilRay]

W. K. Space engineer from worst time line, with religious nuts that worship space zombies

[@anttorrez64]

At first I thought Jim's costume referenced scary God mother but then I saw Sophie and thought. MONSTER TRUCKS!

[@BugsyFoga]

Podcast 108 : Aka , the podcast where they talk about the apu controversy for a decent portion kf the podcast ( even though now its pointless), they bring up the idea of a pizza party podcast game(which I'd totally play), Sophie for the time she appeared was the best part , as well as the others still try to wonder if Pan is still a virgin.I must say it feels like it's been eons since we've had a podcast with just the main 4 ( well at least if you don't count Sophie anyway), it honestly feels pretty nice, also who else agrees the Halloween styled podcast icons were a nice touch.

[@HeilRay]

I love it when guests show up.

[@chandelurechan2638]

Nathaniel Foga I just want the original 4 pan, nolan, Jim and ken

[@darknessml6145]

Chandelurechan Kens fucking riped im rip

[@DOODLEDRAGONRAINBOWZ]

"each ghost is one of the deadly sins" ah yes, wrath, gluttony, lust, pride, sloth, greed, and boxes.

[@TsukiCondor]

Jim and Sophies drawing is cute

[@ThePolishGent]

To me, one of the worst nitpickers out there are the SpongeBob SquarePants fanatics that really love to critique the fuck out of every single episode in existence as if they're treating them all like they're chronologically canon towards each other by having to overanalyze every single joke and conflict at hand of whatever /said episode/ that they're 'reviewing' when it all actuality, it's not suppose to make any sort of logical sense whatsoever.

[@ResidentTarantino]

That "Steven Universe is Garbage and Here's Why" video has like 1.3 million views, yet there were like only 148 comments. And this was like two or three days ago when I decided to watch that video. The likes and subscriber count are hidden so... yeah, suspicious. I agreed with stuff like _SU_ returning from a long-ass hiatus just to air 5 episodes of filler just to disappear for another 12 months. Maybe the plot writing points too, such as character development and motivation being inconsistent or contradictory. But the SJW ranting and nitpicks of animation scaling were not my cup of tea. And maybe someone might not like how Rebecca Sugar runs things, but that doesn't validate or entitle people to slander her as a person

[@beiwubsnsod7378]

Yeah lily is very suspicious when it comes to comments. Its like a ghost town where most of the comments are invisible

[@Doughboy123x]

I do recommend you take a look through the Kiwi Farms thread on Lily Orchard. She has said/done some demented things.

[@NoahWolfWiseKingWolf]

Lily pete is a piece of shit

[@bigbrainanime9485]

Film producer Adi Shankar said he had heard form many people close to the simpsons that they had plans to just remove Apu all together, the removal of Apu was not confirmed by any official source, though. Executive Producer of the Simpson Al Jean even responded by saying to NBC “Apu appeared in the 10/14/18 episode 'My Way or the Highway to Heaven.'" Even if fox did have plans to remove him, I think they might change their minds. When comedian Hari Kondabolu( The creator of "The Problem With Apu") heard the rumors, he was not happy by it and tweeted "....There are so many ways to make Apu work without getting rid of him. If true, this sucks." So for now I think to say Apu isn't going anywhere but just might be tweaked a bit, to better represent Indian people, like Hari Kondabolu actually wants. www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/simpsons-reportedly-dropping-apu-amid-debate-over-character-n925096

[@Loswiwi]

Did you draw Sophie as creech? That's so adorable omg

[@Sayvonite]

24:57 "That's different though...with it being a white a guy its a little bit weirder than a marginalized person voicing another marginalized person..." What the hell Izzy? That is some serious racial bias

[@eripena7895]

Izzy looks like the girl from Chalk Zone on today's podcast.

[@kekkek4750]

I liked this podcast episode but there was one part at 53:49 where I asked a question and nolan brought it up but izzy interrupted him so it never got answered, my question was ARE ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ILLEGAL? I was kek_kek7 on twitch, also horray for good old grandpa jimbo coming back

[@hossdelgado626]

KEK KEK hears Izzy talking. *Tumblr INTENSIFIES*

[@EarthBreaking]

25:10, hypocrisy at its finest!

[@EarthBreaking]

By that logic, Mario's voice actor should be called out for doing an Italian accent even though he is not Italian himself.

[@josepena7845]

Thats sjw logic.

[@Rex13013]

Agreed

[@hoodedman6579]

@@EarthBreaking He's French; isn't that close enough?

[@EarthBreaking]

@@hoodedman6579 still two different cultures. One is just imitating the other.

[@SuperKillJoy15]

Oh no, they are removing an Indian character from animation? How RACIST can they be!?!? Wait, the removed home because they think he's racist? But wait...which is MORE racist? FIGHT!!!!

[@BaneDane_JB]

Double KO!

[@Rakanarshi2]

It's ok to make fun of white people because they are the majority and they are all rich. No, don't look at South Africa, they would make my moral grandstanding invalid.

[@MilkmanAssassin]

deadspace, bowsette, cole, crazy taxi?, newgrounds flash creature?

[@ToonCrate]

I thought he was a monster truck and she's Creech

[@overlookers]

Issac Clarke Bowsette Cole Lucas Till Creech

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Jim is a scary godmother reference I think

[@yuckomundo]

@@ToonCrate he is 1:31:49

[@yuckomundo]

@@ImmaLittlePip nope

[@PollyGlodd]

Isaac Clarke from Death Space, Bowsette, Cole McGrath from Infamous 2, I don't know who Jim is dressed as.

[@Popcultureguy3000]

He's the truck and Sophie is the monster.

[@duncanbug]

Definitely Putt-Putt

[@turtleboy1188]

Monster Truck

[@DeathLeprecon]

QUESTION: Should I even bother to ask a question in the KZbin comments?

[@BaneDane_JB]

No, you'll be eaten by extremists for siding with teh opposite side, by all sides.

[@josepena7845]

You just did....kill him.

[@hossdelgado626]

DeathLeprecon sure, but results may vary

[@TemmiePlays]

I keep wiping my screen near Izzy's right foot. clean up your lines, dammit!

[@Bumble_gum]

I enjoy your small weird channel.

[@TemmiePlays]

@@Bumble_gum lol, thanks. I enjoy making small weird content

[@skylerring1832]

Izzy you make me sad I’m white so I can’t do stuff that other race can do I didn’t do anything I’m just living my life I don’t hurt anyone It’s voice acting 😔

[@blitzthespittah3712]

Skyler Ring stay up champ, she’s just spouting nonsensical bullshit, as usual 😞

[@991yugioh]

Ahh.... I miss Dead Space and Cole Magrath.

[@ankito1129]

As an Indian American myself. I disagreed with The Problem With Apu. Since I could not get the creator to talk about it with me, I wrote a book that is a rebuttal to the Documentary called, I Love You, Apu.

[@ajzeg01]

When I first heard about the Smash Bros Grinch leak, I thought The Grinch was going to be a playable character in the game!

[@hossdelgado626]

ajzeg01 Grinch has come to steal the cheer

[@deadrisinfan29]

Izzy I have to disagree with the idea of Phil Lamar playing the wrong race being different I believe it’s the same situation and if that doesn’t still count well then let’s not forget Speedy Gonzales has been voiced by nothing but white men but Mexicans never cared even when they are insulted by being called speedy Gonzales in fact it was people outside of the race who cared yet Mexicans said that it was stupid to get rid of him and also Max did bring up a point that Mario is a big outdated stereotype of Italians and so is the Italian man from the simpsons yet the Italians don’t care and not to mention Charles Martine voices mario and he’s French, but hey to each their own and hope you can understand where I’m coming from just like I do with you Peace! ✌️

[@ThePolishGent]

*SPOILER ALERT* . . . Pan is actually pansexual.

[@ThePolishGent]

I might be... 😏

[@thatnoobnextdoor]

But is he a pansexual virgin?

[@Sjono]

My issue with this Apu situation is that majority of the characters are already stereotypes. You’ll hardly find a character who isn’t an exaggeration of an aspect of life on the show.

[@GuyNamedCrystal]

I'm disappointed that you didn't keep Emily singing the Superfuckers theme song as the intro.

[@supersonicxz1]

Press F to pay respects for Apu.

[@HennyESP]

f

[@chrissyhill7890]

F

[@mistergremm735]

Dat EZ PZ vid about blacklisting was honestly the best and worst thing ever... i mean the moment he made that jojo reference it's obvious he's trolling

[@drangc0bex119]

Its fucking EZ PZ the chance of it being a troll is about 75%

[@JEEVES635]

He's really shitty at being a troll. He tries to act like his videos are intentionally terrible and all a big ioke (very convenient, since they're full of misinformation), but it's obvious that he's being serious when it comes to his batshit views on the morals of cartoons and their creators.

[@rodney2x48]

What really sucks is that there’s a large portion of people who believed all that bullshit. Most of the shit he said were all jokes from fucking 4chan. The video was spammed for like a week on the /co/ board and everyone there was calling it out for being nothing but shitposting that people were taking seriously.

[@TheSaderV]

The greatest thing about that guy is that if you go to his channel you can see his videos hardly got any views until he made that video shitting on Steven Universe.

[@isaacargesmith8217]

EZ PZ's PREEEETTY bad

[@alejandrocervantes3624]

8:34 Get on the spectrum! :D 17:09 Pan's H-Bomb this Pu$$¥! 33:08 Jim: Lets kill Maggie... 43:59 Izzy vs Nolan (fuck u bitch!) 1:24:10 Izzy's asian baby accent

[@Salmacis32]

Still waiting for the podcast where you guys talk about how much you hate Mars bars.

[@Sayne7]

Can't wait to watch the new treehouse of horror; "Get out, come again!"

[@WhenyoBrainGoesNumb]

Going back to this 2 years later is such a surreal experience

[@thefvguy5648]

Seeing baby Sophie in there is cute, but kind of scary. Imagine here seeing this in 15 years.

[@anglure3617]

I feel that way about anyone who ever does anything like that with any kid ever

[@gulorful8488]

"Those people like to live in their own simple life and view the world through a simple lens instead of actually challenging themselves and trying to learn the different viewpoints of other people which is why I talk about this stuff all the time" Nolan no

[@brucebanana4486]

Is kind ironic Nolan does the same thing when insults any fanbase that he disagrees with like Adventure Time.

[@sarahebris]

What part does Sophie come in?

[@MoonwalkMonster]

41:30

[@sarahebris]

@@MoonwalkMonster Thank you very much!

[@AwesomeCornSauce]

Personal Opinion: We are seeing the aftermath of that kid on the playground having an opinion and being vocal about it causing the school board to take down the problem in question, causing others to rise and defend why it should be put back up making both sides seem like selfish chodes.

[@terrortaste6389]

Even though though Apu getting cut is stupid and pointless I honestly want the SJWs to be offended by and eventually have more characters cut so that way the simpsons can end quicker and the people working on the show can get on with their lives.

[@commonwriternext]

Everybody in this comment section needs a Snickers

[@happysavage6660]

Does Nutty Bar help?

[@chrissyhill7890]

Lol

[@pandapanda5859]

Jims costume is the cutest. He is the truck and Sophie is the monster aww.

[@KaelanSwan]

Voice actor playing someone from their race: Good Voice actor playing someone not from their race: Good, if they're not white White Voice actor playing someone not from their race: BAD! God damn it Izzy.

[@gabrielmorrad3469]

24:52 speaking of phil lamar...... would baldi from jimmy neutron also bd racist figure. I mean he is from badhairistan

[@Popcultureguy3000]

Kind of...? Baldi is pretty much a poorly conceived ripoff of Rolf from Ed, Edd, & Eddy, but without any of well thought jokes about obscure Eastern European stereotypes and customs.

[@FlameOfUdun96]

It’s Bolbi not Baldi

[@ultimatehamsandwich734]

fuck u got me, I actually googled that place before i read it

[@Launchpad05]

I've given up on 'Teen Titans'. It's been ruined by 'Go', and it's continued presence makes me ashamed of Cartoon Network, Warner Bros. Animation, and DC. The day we get a new 'Teen Titans' series that's actually good, and respects it's comics history is the day I'll start liking them again.

[@LordMuffinDuck]

Hey man, I don't think you hear this enough but I want you to know that I've been a fan for a couple years and you're videos have helped me a lot with hard times, you're funny and amazing, keep up with the amazing content :)

[@TheKoolman89]

Before Courage would most likely be about Eustace and Muriel. Which I hope is the case for this rumored prequel.

[@Zoogler]

Pan it’s 6 in the morning why

[@dramaticallyread]

Pan is "Clarke" Izzy is "Bowsette" Nolan is "Cole" and Jim is clearly a car from The Little Cars in the Great Race.

[@dramaticallyread]

changed

[@poodoodrilldick7757]

Actually its Bowser

[@allsmiles7106]

I think hotdiggitydemon had the best take on the apu thing

[@Cjm7603]

Excuse me the proper term is brownlists

[@madison5645]

33:20 They should just air the rejected “You’re Next” couch gag and let that be the end of it all.

[@jeffreygilson1565]

This guy’s jokes must be out of this world since Apu being offensive is the biggest joke I’ve heard.

[@ew275x]

What Criticism is: - Going over each scene or part of a movie/game/episode and quipping or complaining about it. - Pointing out "plot holes", editing mistakes or nitpicking for 5 minutes about Batman's hook in Batman Vs Superman What Criticism is: - "What is the point of the scenes with the auditioning parents? They are all seen as broad, desperate comic caricatures. They are not funny. They are not touching. There is no truth in them. They don't even work as parodies. There is an idiocy here that seems almost intentional, as if the filmmakers plotted to leave anything of interest or entertainment value out of these episodes." Roger Ebert on North, note how he isn't telling the plot or complaining about plot holes like KZbinr #4856

[@brucebanana4486]

I wish Nolan and everybody on the podcast realize that nitpicking is not a criticism. I remember from last podcast talk Ready Player One they talk about how the logic makes sense in the ending. I didn't care for that because they should think about what trying to say and the director executed theme.

[@action-b4st4rd87]

25:00 I would disagree with you, to an extent. I feel people should be able to voice act a different ethnicity, regardless of whether they are white or not as long as they handle it with respect. Same for any other combination, because let's face facts, anyone can discriminate on anyone. I will meet you in the middle in saying that we do need a more diverse background of voice actors. 25:40 Okay Noland, you're not smarter for having your own half-baked opinion, have a snickers, you're not you when you're hungry. Just cause some people aren't siding with you doesn't mean we're against you. (((I HAVE JUST PAINTED A FUCKING TARGET ON THE SIDE OF MY HEAD, SEND HELP.)))

[@Howdoyouchangepf]

It's always a treat to have Emily & Stephany sing

[@craigbutler3282]

It took me a minute to notice Sophie is Screech from monster trucks

[@sophiathekitteh]

@52:48 My idea for a ppp game would be a zombie outbreak and the only way the cure them is to collect pizzas and shoot them out of customizable weapons. Nolan would be a strong charging type,Pan would use the Rebeltaxi to shoot pizza at the zombies, Izzy would use a cute charm attack, and Jim would mellow the zombies with his chill attack. Unfortunately, I know nothing about making video games, these are just ideas. If anyone who reads this comment wants to take my ideas and make a game go ahead lmao (that sounded really conceited, but you get the idea )

[@izzymcgee2527]

Izzy kinda looks like Robobuddies as Bowsette.

[@FlippySuper]

Turns out Apu isn’t getting out of the simpsons after all.

[@floppytokey]

As a third world fat straight non-white mexican guy, i can say that us mexicans, don't get upset or anything by how our culture is portrayed most of the time. I don't know anyone who's been offended by bee man from the simpsons. So yeah, i literally don't understand why this controversy even exists.

[@Analog_Mind47]

The Simpsons are supposed to be a parody and over exaggeration of American society, Apu is as much of a parody as much as all the other characters on the show are parodies of their groups

[@invaderpez12]

Correction: the leaker made a snapchst saying "fuk Nintendo lol" and showed the full roster on the banner, and there was a snippet of some Grinch promo art that hasnt been seen yet which is why people think its real.

[@jimbojoejoe]

I completely agree with Jim's take on the whole Apu situation and outrage culture. Everyone is so quick to just take the easy path and straight up shut down a character or celebrity to not have to deal with the criticism. It really isn't helping anyone to give up on an idea without opening it up to discussion on both sides. We are getting to a point where the side that strikes first is the one who wins. Personally, even though I don't care about the Simpsons nowadays, I think that there are so many ways to handle this situation that result in a good narrative about comedy and the use of stereotypes. Izzy also brings up a good point about us white people not understanding how Indian people feel about Apu and their stereotypes in the media. Honestly there are times where I personally feel attacked by a joke, albeit rare, and I know it seems unfunny to hear from the standpoint as someone who is the butt of the joke, but I still feel like comedy can tackle pretty much any topic and it will always be offensive to someone. Granted some jokes are objectively bad, or straight up racist and shouldn't be said, but I still think shutting down someone entirely for a single joke or type of joke is a huge dick move, since people can learn from their mistakes. If your career was destroyed by one joke in bad taste it would be devastating. Why not inform people that what they said is hurtful without outright attacking them? Give them a chance to change their joke or at the very least don't fire them without giving them a platform to defend themselves. Sorry for the rant, I just really dislike outrage culture. Even racists can learn to change their ways, but they are more likely to do so if you don't just scream at their face. That is all. Good podcast episode Pan and crew.

[@poodoodrilldick7757]

To quote brain dump "Blame the bully not the cartoon"

[@standup109]

Nolan: if you’re going to make a review, have a point. His Rocket Power Review: hi

[@RumHam510]

oooh boy this comment section is a nice tall glass of dumpster juice

[@991yugioh]

Question: Will you do questions in the comments again?

[@adama.7735]

I don’t really get the outrage over Apu being removed. I have no horse in the race either, but The Simpsons hasn’t been relevant for years. The almost universal consensus is that the show should’ve ended 18 years ago, or at least after the movie was released. With that in mind, why is writing off a supporting character in the show so worthy of outrage? I don’t agree with writing off a character from the show just because of some documentary about said character, but since when did people as a whole still care about The Simpsons? Also, I think people should probably lay off Hari Kondabolu. The guy didn’t even ask for Apu to be removed from the show, and he actually complained about the decision to remove him. He made a documentary about his personal problems with a cartoon character. Get over it. It’s a free country.

[@Mumblejumby]

Yeah Hari is sooo a harmless man doing nothing while the world is burning. lol people should stop having negative emotions over something they care about. Silly people, don't they know this is America, Fuck yeah? Freedom of speech in the name of eagle.

[@HadesFist]

If the show is irrelevant why the hell did people get so outrage and want him to be removed in the first place?

[@carlichristy1123]

He kinda brought it on himself, free speech and all that jazz but in hindsight he shoulda saw the backlash if Apu is being removed. i

[@Flamingbro69]

BTW, the rumor that Apu was being kicked off the Simpsons was fake, as claimed by Al Jean

[@SarahTheScottishBunny]

Costume ranking Pan 8/10 Izzy -10/10 Nolan 9/10 Jim 100/10 Sophie cute/10