#10MinuteTalk

The crossover between long-range precision shooting and hunting is undeniable these days. The line is more blurred than ever. On impact, the terminal requirements for success are very different. Is the 6mm Creedmoor the perfect deer cartridge for most folks, or does it leave a person under gunned? How important is spotting impacts for targets and game? Listen as we chat through the attributes of this petite powerhouse.
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[@alexpeebles4572]

It’d be great to hear you guys talk about the .257 Weatherby!

[@ronlowney4700]

🎯 For competition shooting, this one would be hard to beat! 😯

[@KB956]

I went with a 6.5 Grendel for my kids first deer rifle. The 6 ARC was not out at the time. Either one is good to the distance they will shoot.

[@benneuls4142]

Agreed. I bought an upper before the 6mm ARC came out as well. However, I love the Grendel.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

I have wanted a 6.5 G for some time now. And the kids first "Their deer gun" figured into that. I like what I am seeing from the 6mm ARC. But I cannot pass up a good deal. Picked up a 350 legend upper from the Labor Day sale. My oldest claimed it as hers lol. You all have a happy New Years.

[@tomlongbow]

I have killed 32 Roedeer and 4 wild Boar in the last two years with my 6,5 Grendel. Perfect 👌🏻

[@mot0rhe4d40]

@@tomlongbow Tom, there is a Texas hunter that thermal scope night hunts for feral hogs. The 6.5 Grendel is his tool of choice. I have followed him for a while now. And got to see first hand how the different bullet options in the Grendel do on the wiley hogs on the lone star state. Channel is Carpe Sus if you want to check em out. Good info on terminal performance.

[@tomlongbow]

@@mot0rhe4d40 he was the one that inspired me to go that route. Thanks for the heads up though. 👍🏻

[@greasemonkey4god]

As far as hunting with your kid and 6 creed vs 223…. Huge benefit that 223 has over 6creed is cost of ammo!!! Really loving this series…

[@jfess1911]

Ammo cost can be a big deal. You might be able to justify both the 223 and 6mm CM if you plan to shoot several hundreds of rounds of ammo at the range. This might mean sharing the optic, though.

[@thomaspalmer7900]

But most states will not allow you to deer hunt with a .223 @ least in VA & TN

[@greasemonkey4god]

@@thomaspalmer7900 interesting. I always forget about that side… here in Montana there are no caliber laws for big game. You can legally attempt to hunt deer with a 22lr if you want… or a 17hmr. It’s not even required to be a centerfire cartridge.

[@thomaspalmer7900]

@@greasemonkey4god that’s fantastic!!! Here in VA it has to be above .223 I I’m wanting to get into coyote hunting here. Just purchased a 6.5 Creedmoor Savage rifle. Not has opportunity to shoot it yet due to cold weather but hope to soon.

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Yeah, cause we all know those stupid kids can really go through some ammo while trying to kill a deer! Sorry, I certainly don't have a lot of money but when I think of taking my kids hunting, ammo cost differential does not even enter my mind

[@jw3946]

I have both a 6mm and 6.5 Creedmoor, love them both. The 6mm is my favorite rifle for shooting 1000 and 1200 yards, consistently 5”-6” groups. It is a much better cartridge than the 243 Winchester for long range. A great starter for a teenager for hunting and target shooting.

[@danielkearney3295]

you guys are spoiling us with all these vids!

[@mathewb1059]

Great talk as usual. How about talking about the 300 Savage?

[@ingvarkristjansson766]

I have a 6XC which is practically the same as 6mm Creedmoor….absolutely brilliant cartridge, fantastic for deer, varmint and target shooting

[@jimmybigtime]

I have a Howa 1500 sporter in 6mm Creedmoor. So far, my son has taken 4 mule deer using 108gr ELD match factory ammo at 70, 300, 320, and 420 yards. All four deer were one shot kills and fell in their tracks. It's a solid combo.

[@joeld008]

Were those high shoulder shots?

[@russherbert839]

Is that a typo? Did you mean to say the 103 ELDX?

[@jimmybigtime]

That is not a typo. I have successfully used the 108 gr ELD-Match on 4 mule deer and last month my son added an antelope. Those shots have all been just behind the shoulder or in the shoulder. The bullet comes apart but I've had exit wounds too. It really works well.

[@russherbert839]

@@jimmybigtime good info thank you for sharing field experience. I’m thinking about getting a 6ARC and haven’t had an shooting with any 6mm. I’m more of a hunter and just a shooter practicing for the hunts. Have you tried any of the mono bullet types?

[@jimmybigtime]

The 6mm ARC may perform differently with the same bullet. There's a big velocity difference between it at the 6mm Creedmoor. It's something you'll just have to try and see for yourself.

[@kohlhoff09]

Love the cartridge talk. Can we see 350 legend, 50 Beowolf, and 224 valkyrie

[@newerest1]

So many cartridge talks lately ❤️❤️

[@samivey8416]

Years ago I might a man who used 6mm exclusively. His wife loved it too. Low kick and great accuracy

[@Gonzo81]

lets stay on the talk of 6mms. I would love to hear about the 6mm Rem. I have a Rem 600 mohawk in 6mm and it was my first deer rifle and is why I got into reloading. could of been so much better as Ryan talked about it briefly in the 243 ten min talk.

[@BcFuTw9jt]

Has the same problem as 243 Win, short neck. Creedmoor cartridges are designed for the heavy for caliber bullets, thats what makes them shine. If you don't ever shoot over 500 don't even worry about it just run what you got

[@joshburton2815]

Guys, great talk as ever! I have run into problems with a 243 of mine, not with bullet weight (95 grn) but via bullet length. Complete tumbling, spraying rounds circa 2 feet at 100 yards, I was aware of the weight v twist situation and thought i had that covered when I moved from Nosler 95grn bthunting to Sierra 95grn TGK , but I found out that without doubt, length also maters a lot! (the age old question answered) All the best guys. (still hoping for the 6.5x47 lap talk one day) Josh, in Scotland.

[@klintstout1477]

Happy New Year guys. Take a couple days off. You deserve it 👏

[@mikewahlberg3398]

The only thing the 6 CM has over the .243 is the longer throats and ability to shoot heavier, high BC bullets than the standard factory .243 Winchester. I've shot both now and can see no real difference in hunting between the .243 and the 6CM. I only see a difference in long range shooting and even then it's not much. If you own neither then a 6CM will probably be a good choice due to the potential for a little edge at long range, but if you already have a .243 then the 6CM won't really impress you any more than your .243 does.

[@DebbiPrince]

Good point! I'll keep my 243. Dropped many a deer with it!

[@tun0fun]

I think getting a 6CM rechambered to 243AI is the best of all worlds. Ability to shoot factory ammo in the 87-100gr range and load your own with the empty cases for your heavy projectiles. 243AI with Barnes 95GR LRX 🙂

[@billyarnold6633]

Put a 115 gr pill in your 243 and then you will understand the difference

[@BuzzzdLightyear]

I'd argue 243 is still superior than 6CM just strictly based off of variety and availability of ammo. All of these new wildcat rounds are nice, but I doubt they'll be as long lived as any of the military derivatives.

[@BcFuTw9jt]

Ummm you need to learn the definition of "wildcat". Oh and 243AI doesn't do anything for you if you mag load, still need a longer chamber that a standard short action can't handle because of the COAL needed with the heavier bullets

[@philliprunge4373]

I used to shoot 6mm Remington, I don't know much about 6cm. However several years ago 6 mm for deer hunting was pretty common out in Texas. I shot a few deer 6mm .

[@keithprinn720]

sounds like a great choice if you dont already have a 243 or similar, great choice with a 7 PRC for bigger game, great factory bullet options,

[@lmc7233]

These really need to be called #20minutetalk

[@daporter84]

Lived my 243 comp gun just didn't like loading for hours the night before a match 105rdf @3050FPS Worked great in my gun was a 1:8 twist though

[@scott80387]

Been dreaming of this day

[@steffen707-]

"Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and Dodge!". You guys are so funny, classic Wisconsin conversation there. Guns and throw in a Dodgeball quote. Ryan, my favorite though is "He doesn't have any balls Cotton!"

[@michaelthompson7570]

Fan of the 6mm,second varmint rifle for me was a 6mm ,kilt a bunch of nw ohio woodchucks. Then later my first pd shoot with the 6. Also have three 243,,hells canyon,mk3 , mod 70 compact. They are all so much fun now just shooting in the back yard……

[@chadillac95]

The other thing to keep in mind is that a 243 win with a 1:10 twist will not stabilize a 100 grain copper bullet, but the 6 creed with the 1:8 twist will stabilize the copper bullets

[@tun0fun]

It will, if you drive it fast enough. There's plenty of factory 100gr loadings.

[@chadillac95]

@Unspecified User #429 it won't stabilize a 100 grain all copper bullet. It'll stabilize a 100 grain lead bullet because a lead bullet will be shorter and can stabilize in a 1:10 twist barrel. Of the heavy for caliber copper bullets I've looked at for my 6mm, they all say "require 1:8" twist." If you try to buy factory ammo, you won't find the high BC, heavy for caliber copper bullets for the 243 win because they can't guarantee that it'll stabilize it and because in order for the COAL to fit SAAMI spec, it would be pressed too far into the case, decreasing powder capacity, which would also make it not be pushed fast enough

[@tun0fun]

@@chadillac95 Sorry mate, my mistake. I didn't read your post properly or I had a dyslexic moment because I was thinking copper jacketed. You're right. This is actually why my next rifle will be a 26" Howa 6CM which I'll get rechambered for 243AI. I think it's best of both worlds because I can still shoot cheap and plentiful factory copper jacketed ammo in the 80-100gr range when I want but then reload the now fireformed cases with Barnes 95gr LRX or the Outer Edge Projectiles 90gr BBT because the Howa has the 1:7.5 twist.

[@tun0fun]

@@chadillac95 I mean, TECHNICALLY speaking, I was correct about how it will stabilise if you drive it fast enough from a 1:10" barrel. That will occur at 15,000fps, so shouldn't be a problem for a 243 haha 😄

[@localcoastanglers6660]

do a cartridge talk on the .444 my buddy recently got passed down a .444 marlin and weve been shooting whitetail left and right with it this past season.

[@danielrobey1759]

I handload 240 grain bullets for mine, mild recoil and hard hitting 👍

[@rpk5250]

Excellent video. I think it’s especially great to circle back in talk about how these new cartridges have a broader use than their ancestors. It’s almost like to see why I get a 223 when you can get a 6 mm Creedmoor that will do everything the 223 can , all the way up to nearly the 6.5 Creedmoor both up and down in grain weight. It would be interesting to do a video that compares increases in recoil, and whether those are proportional to increases in use and capability, assuming factory ammunition.

[@llamawizard]

You guys can’t bring up something being a phenomenal coyote round without comparing it to the 22-250

[@TheSlowestofBros]

Been seeing a lot more 6 creedmores out at the range lately. Humbly requesting a throwback episode for 256 Win mag attempt #5

[@willrowell3218]

I'll second that request for the 256 Win Mag.

[@Anschutz270]

I'm pretty invested in my .243. I have a Handi-Rifle that was my rifle and a Savage that I built before the 6mm Creed came along with a 1-8 twist barrel that shoots pretty small groups. However, if I lost all of my guns in a fire, I'd replace the Savage with a 6CM. I also have a match rifle in 6BR Norma which is a lovely little 6mm round.

[@Adamhawk1994]

Mark, 6arc for the girls! Trust me!

[@JJ-iu5hl]

"At the end of the day, you can have the biggest cartridge, and if you put it in the wrong spot, it's not going to do anything." Wise words, Ryan

[@felipemartinez3285]

I would like to know more about the 6.5-300 Weatherby and your options.

[@zachwright217]

7.5 Swiss is all I wanted for Christmas 😂

[@BillDutton]

Just bought my first new bolt action rifle yesterday - Springfield Armory Waypoint Model 2020 in 6mm Creedmoor. Currently doing some research on what scope I want to go with. Really looking forward to some range time - I wanted a rifle I could hunt with and enjoy some long range shooting. Great episode boys!

[@Anschutz270]

It all depends on your use. For that rifle's quality, I'd say the Razor line will suit it well. I wouldn't go any lower than the Viper line. Are you hunting or punching paper/ steel?

[@BillDutton]

@@Anschutz270 Planning to do a little of both, looking for a good all around scope.

[@Inveniam22]

Leupold VX5 or VX6, Nightforce NXS or better.

[@codymarion1495]

I have a Nightforce shv on my 6 creed and love it

[@paulmeek7964]

I have one strictly for hunting and it’s awesome. Wish it would have had a 24 inch tube. Reload 80 ttsx at 3320 and 95 partition @ 2980 and the 105 Berger vld @ 2970 all one and done on 250 and under next year going to stretch it out but smallest group was Berger at .387 largest was partition @.669 and Barnes 80 grain was .674 all 3 shot groups. . All I did was up the trigger tech black to the Diamond.

[@rileycopple7896]

Comin I hot with the cartridge talks this week

[@daporter84]

105s fit in the AICS mags power just gets crunchy

[@mr.mr.3301]

Merry Christmas is what we say. Happy holidays is what sad when you’re afraid of your company getting onto you.

[@atomicwedgie8176]

Happy Holidays = Pagan greeting

[@toddparsons2980]

Thanks for Talking about the 6mm Creed. I love it, I own two, a 22" and a 26". Great for precision and will take up to deer size animals. Awesome cartridge.

[@starwarsheros9245]

Question do you notice a performance difference between the 2 sizes ?

[@papajohnsy6659]

@@starwarsheros9245 late reply but I saw 70-105fps difference between loadings, depending on the exact details of each load. This was from taking the exact same barrel at 26" and cutting it to 22"

[@daporter84]

I went from a great twist 243 to 6creedmore for that turnkey match I got tied if missing until 1am the night before the match

[@RT-gv6us]

I am in the same boat as so many other reloaders. I love the concept of the 6mm CM, but alas I already own two sets of reloading dies for the 243 and have 400-500 pieces of brass in the 243. I am just too invested in it to buy the CM even though it probably is a better case.

[@johngreen1246]

Have you talked about the 6mm Remington yet?

[@brianklamer3328]

A Sierra 85 grain Game King HPBT or 90 grain Sierra TGK loaded in in either .243 or 6 Creed will blow the stuffing out of whitetail or antelope with a properly placed shot. In older rifles with slower twist rates, their 85 grainer is King.

[@km6731]

6 creed is an awesome coyote round. havent had a hit get away and usually anchors them.

[@caseroj6020]

Without question one of my favorite cartridges is the 243 Winchester. It's just a sweet mild mannered round that has more than enough power for anything up to mule deer. Also the conventional wisdom is that killing a black bear is no more difficult than killing a deer and to the extent that the 243 Win is sufficient for the latter it doesn't surprise me that it's effective on black bear also. I already own several 243 Win chambered rifles so I don't see any real benefit to owning a 6 mm Creedmoor as I don't plan to shoot match competition anyway. However, if I was in the market for a 6 mm round rifle and did not already own the 243 Win then I would choose the 6 mm Creedmoor over the latter. With regard to the 223 Rem vs the 6 mm Creedmoor I would go with the Creedmoor. The flexibility the 6 mm Creedmoor offers beats the 223 Rem hands down. I own a 22-250 Rem but I still prefer the 243 Win over it just the same.

[@benbowditch9265]

"I got a a 6 Creed for shooting PRS." "Hell yeah brother!" haha James cracks me up. As far as the 6 CM vs the .223 concerning younger shooters.. I'd definitely go with the 6. It's just flat out a better choice! It offers less wind deflection and some level of insurance for the "not ideal" shot placement. Also why would Mark even think .223? Not a .224 Valk, 22 Nosler, or 22 Creed? Thank you guys again for the awesome talks 😄

[@basrutten641]

What’s the expected barrel longevity on the 6creed?

[@sandych33ks1]

22-250 with a 1 to 7 twist 26 inch barrel shooting 88 and 90 grain pills is what the valkyrie should of been. That makes a perfect long range varmint round that can easily take deer too.

[@jonathanmoore7480]

Hopefully they'll give the .22 Creed Factory Support soon. That's a proper laser!

[@BcFuTw9jt]

True, but a 24 inch 243 or 6 creed will push 100gr through 108gr at 3000+ fps no problem all day. Lot of work to make those numbers out of tje 250 case

[@duke8152]

Plenty, Elk being taken with that round.

[@foubert45]

6mm creedmore, the only creedmore I’d own to avoid the 6.5 fanboy club

[@mot0rhe4d40]

I hear you on the fanboy club. Though I see the 6.5 C as a kids step up from a 243 Win. I did consider buying one for my oldest daughter's first deer rifle. Just didn't find one at the right price. Before last deer season.

[@tonydevich7937]

Get them all there fun

[@jamesjams5085]

Still waiting for that 300 Winmag. My favorite show by the way. You guys rock

[@kirkmartin2223]

The 6cm and 22cm are the most interesting of the line.... in my opinion

[@SurmaSampo]

Lol, only for naval canons

[@tun0fun]

The 25CM is pretty great too. Edit: Spelling. Damn auto correct.

[@kirkmartin2223]

@@tun0fun only with 2 commercially available bullet weights from Berger. 133 and 135gr. I shoot a fast twist 25-06AI with those.

[@SeaMonkey013]

Which rifle would you recommend this caliber for deer?

[@MrJtin69]

Whats everyones ole faithful go to hunting caliber ? Mine if i am thinking to much i bring the cannon 30-378 weatherby as it gets alot of questions or my 45-70 if im walking in woods

[@John_Redcorn_]

If i need more than a 100g bullet then im going to a diff caliber. The extra 5-10 grains aint gonna make a difference. I dont get the new fascination with trying to use the smallest caliber possible, at the longest ranges possible when hunting.

[@byronstrohm3288]

I would love to see a 6mm CM vs 25-06 video

[@jaydunbar7538]

Good morning!

[@tomlongbow]

In Germany we need a minimum of 6,5mm and 2000 Joule/100 Meters to be able to hunt Deer / Boar. (Exept for Roedeer which need a minimum of 1000J/100M.)

[@david-lisaharden2100]

Have you guys looked at the 6mm ARC yet?

[@pandalubben415]

Would love to see you talk about the european 30-06 also known as the 8x57 mauser

[@donnelhuddleston2478]

Would love to hear about some 8MM Cartridges.

[@GallopingWalrus]

They did the 8mm-06, which is ballistically very similar.

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

7x64 is the closest European cartridge to the '06.

[@pandalubben415]

@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 true, but that came many years later. The 8mm mauser and the 06 came out almost at the same time

[@georgesakellaropoulos8162]

@@pandalubben415 11 isn't that many. 7x64 was introduced in 1917.

[@Mr.BrushCutter]

@ryan , what is your go to load for .243 with 100 grain pills?

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Had a Ruger M77 Target Grey 223. That would produce five shot bug holes all day long with 52gr, 53gr and 55gr loads. Thinking the 223 is not as accurate as some of the more long range focused calibers, is probably more in your head.

[@justbaggit70]

I have the same rifle. Ive even gotten very small groups at 525 yards with 50gr noslers. I love this rifle.

[@bert4i]

6 dasher would be a interesting comparison

[@jasonschilder8436]

@Vortex Nation Podcast Can you guys do a podcast on bullets? Different designs, metals, alloys, tips, twist rates required for different bullets, bonded, partitioned, velocity required for expansion, ideal bullet types for different size game, etc.

[@SnowFootprints96]

The thing the 6.5 creed has over the 7 prc and even the 6.5 prc is its a non magnum short action. Avaliablity and lighter recoil will keep it around. I prefer the 7 prc over all them but I don't shoot competition.

[@William-Bill-Munny]

My deer are not 800+ yards away. I don't have a safe full of rifles so I needed my one bolt gun that goes up and down from bear to elk to white tail and this is not "the one" in my safe and probably never will be. Yeah I risk loss of usable meat with a missplaced shot but .308 works for me for many reasons - but you do you and more power to ya.

[@DebbiPrince]

Well as said Robert! I agree with you!

[@tonydevich7937]

It's like the dasher

[@thomasgordon935]

I hunt over here in the uk. 243 has got to be one of the most common hunting calibres over here. And I know numerous people including myself who with hunt red deer with it. With stags growing up to 240kg. More then capable round. Mine is a t3 rebarreled with a 1-8 twist. 108 eld m at 2930fps and regularly prints half moa at 1000 yards. A delight to shoot!

[@ChronicalsofAl]

Do you have public hunting ground? I always pictured it as too small a country to have vast expanses of hunting area (please don't take my ignorance as an insult)

[@thomasgordon935]

@alexmoore8395 no public hunting land sadly. Too high a population in such a small country. So all is basically privately owned/government owned. They estimate there is roughly 2 million deer in the UK. So plenty of shooting to be had!

[@ChronicalsofAl]

@@thomasgordon935 so how would I (or any foreigner) hunt red stag in England? Or is hunting more accepted in Ireland or Scotland?

[@thomasgordon935]

@alexmoore8395 just a case of contacting any of the many thousands of people across the UK that do guided stalking. Scotland is the quintessential location for stalking Red stags. But the bigger animals are found in the south of England. Namely exmoor and Norfolk. Prepare to pay upwards of $1200 to shoot a beast with a good head. Most guides will provide rifle etc

[@pelletplinkingtexas2999]

I have a 6mm Creedmoor in a Browning X-bolt. Killed plenty of pigs and overall extremely accurate

[@heavytango7261]

This will be the next chambering I buy. Love the mix between long range target shooting and hunting capabilities this has. Seems like it'll do everything the 6.5 can do but with better trajectory. Excluding elk if you consider the 6.5 an elk cartridge.

[@dr.froghopper6711]

Bought a Grendel and out comes the Creedmoor. But I decided that the next biggest rifle I got would be a 6.5 PRC.

[@Longshot762x51]

Aw man! You guys finally do this after I bought a Ruger in 5.56.... Wanted a 6 Creed but couldnt find one anywhere.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Yeah I haven't seen a rifle in the 6mm Creed. But a few shops locally are sitting on piles of factory ammo for it.

[@EndoftheBlock7224]

Your 5.56 is fine. Get a good scope, find ammo it likes and buy a bunch of it and practice.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Flying isn't wrong. I have had great accuracy out of Ruger's 223/556 chambered rifle ( save for that mini 14 from the early 90's lol ) Yours should be good to go with a 69gr, 70gr Barnes , 75-77gr loads should show the promise of the rifles accuracy. Good luck and a safe New Years

[@mauricetreadwell1071]

Recently sold my ruger american ranch 5.56 and my slower twist rate (1:10) tikka t3 243 to get a 6cm. Now I'm stuck between doing a custom action rifle or getting a budget friendly varmit rifle like a ruger predator.. I've been losing sleep over it!

[@ronaldhills8646]

​@@mot0rhe4d40hey, my mini 14 shoots dinner plate sized groups at 100yds LOL

[@robertthurman3743]

@15:29 - the popularity contest comment is apropos while talking about a Hornady cartridge. It should be the title or by-line of any Hornady cartridge conversation.

[@bertpulaski2492]

Do I doubt the ability of the 6CM? No because I’ve got a metric truck load of experience with the older brother, .243win. Will I swap my .243’s for a 6CM? Absolutely not. I don’t see enough performance advantage for my uses to justify the swap. Especially when I have several hundred rounds of .243win loaded, 2 factory rifles, and a custom rifle all chambered in the same cartridge.

[@ronnieramesey7019]

I went with the 6mm arc .. but I have found it harder to get ammo for the arc verses the creed

[@BcFuTw9jt]

The arc is a lot smaller buy a ton. I have both and they are day and night, different worlds apart, especially on game

[@jonathonschram3429]

All my 6mm gt match barrels end up becoming 6mm creed barrels that we throw on Ruger Precision Rifles. Super grateful that ruger went 1"-16 because I can just hack off 1.5" from the chamber end and I'm usually through the majority of the firecracking. We let customers who come to our long range class run the 6creeds when their .308 class cartridges run out of steam at 1k+yards or if it's super windy out. About 600-800 more rounds of 105 hybrids over a case full of H4350 and I usually pull the barrels off the Rugers again. I've also shot a handful of deer and and antelope with the Hornady 90gr copper (cx?) Bullets over Reloader 17 and it is a freaking deer killing machine at least out to 400 yards. About 3350fps out of a 26.5" tube. I wish Barnes would make their TTSX in 6mm...but the Hornady bullet works good in the 1:8, 1:7.7, and 1:7.5 twist barrels I've run it through. Expanding LASER straight through every animal I've shot to date.

[@papajohnsy6659]

Barnes makes a ttsx and lrx in 6mm so I'm not sure where you're not finding those at. 80gr ttsx and 95gr lrx

[@stevecarpenter98]

I'm dusting off my wife's grandfather's 243 for my boy to shoot. I have been looking at the 6 Creedmoor as a update/ modern bullet.

[@redge27t]

8.6 Blackout! Do it!

[@TyB.-to3ek]

6.8 Western!!! It's an updated 270 WSM!!

[@supplementalman]

So when you say “good enough for deer …” does that include mule deer or do you really mean whitetails?

[@WayStedYou]

It's more like a modernized 6mm rem since it's that bit faster than a .243

[@NebraskaPharmer]

6.5 Creedmoor is so popular by default have you tried to buy a rifle in the last 2 years. The only Creedmoor cool-aid I am drinking is the 22 Creed. At ranges that 95% of people SHOULD be limiting themselves to there are dozens of rounds equal or better. Who cares what it does at 600yds. So few people should be concerned with that, it would be irrelevant. A out as many as my silly long throat 6mm AI. Laser beam but nothing I can't do with a nice 139 interlock out of my 7mm-08. But I love new rounds and the info on them and this is one of my favorite sources.

[@terrywagner7551]

300 savage that would be a good one to talk about seeing that all the Creedmoor‘s including the 30 TC were built off of that and if somebody wants to argue the point all you need to do is compared to 300 savage to the 30 TC

[@ratcamaro]

It’s a modern version of the .243

[@coreymoyers]

No comparison to 6mm ARC?

[@devinleenhouts6562]

6mm rem ?

[@alancrews2066]

Good for yotes?

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Local shops are getting pretty good stacks of the 6mm C going on. But have yet to see a rifle in the caliber.

[@perrytilton5221]

Every store that has 6mm CM ammo they don't have a rifle. Every store that has 6mm CM rifles don't have ammo. Very few people that go to either shop will go to the other shop.

[@mot0rhe4d40]

@@perrytilton5221 Well I am the odd man out then. I go to all my local shops 😆. Have a good New Years.

[@John_Redcorn_]

Because no one asked for it. Its not selling

[@trevorj.8401]

also mark! Maybe just maybe you never know, but your daughter's might end up liking PRS over hunting and the 6 creed checks that box too!!!

[@jerrymartin5100]

The new straight wall caliber hit the media today, 360 Buckhammer, 30-30 case straightened and loaded with .358 projectiles.

[@WayStedYou]

35 remington: aight imma head out

[@jerrymartin5100]

I've owned a 35 Remington since 1972, I agree, but Vortex guys were talking about the next straight wall coming is why I posted.

[@DeerHunter308]

243 or 6mm Rem ?

[@MrJtin69]

240 wby mag or 30-06 with a belt necked down to 24

[@justbaggit70]

I love my 6mm creed. Using 108 eldm. Taken 3 javelina with it. That bullet is too much for coyotes though.

[@jeffreywilson690]

A 1/9.25 savage will shoot 105 vld berger, u may have different results. Buying a fast twist 243 win barrel is cheaper than buying a new 6 cred gun. But buying a new one is fun too

[@brianklamer3328]

The best twist for .243 is 1 in 8, but one needs to purchase a custom barrel to get that.

[@jeffreywilson690]

Yep but if my factory 243 will shoot 105s well under 1" I'm not going to rebarrel it. If I need more twist I'll shoot my rpr in 243 win

[@mountainpoo1066]

Already have a 6mm creedmore. It's called a 243 loaded with 103 gr eld-x. 43 gr hybrid v100 ,savage axis. Is 6 mm creedmore better than a 243? I don't think so....lol. Twist rate ha ha ha ha. Bear and cougar I took this year will tell ya it stabilized just fine.

[@TommyboyGTP]

243 has more versatility down to lightweight varmint rounds. 6mmCM has the advantage for long range shooting past typical hunting distances where it offers no ballistic advantage over 243 at hunting distances. So, if you're going to hunt and want much greater ammo availability and versatility, go 243. If you want to go out a long ranges to target shoot, go 6mmCM

[@BcFuTw9jt]

Umm yeah a 103 eldx is bringing way more energy at 500 from the 6CM than a 243 pushing the same thing

[@nick-uv3km]

416 barrett?

[@cfoutdoors0624]

Question! If the 6.5CM is to .260 what the 6CM is to the .243, what could come along that would be of these 2 modern cartridges be to the .308?

[@patriotsheepdog]

I would say 6.5 prc

[@Deerslayer1912]

I mean that is kinda what the 6.5 creed parent case (30 TC) was designed to do, but with less emphasis on long range.

[@terryslaton5582]

The .260 and .243 are children of the .308. Same cartridge as .308…necked down for a 6.5 bullet in .260, 6mm bullet for the .243.

[@gregstapp1684]

being an old fart i'll stick with the .243 ... and leave the 6. 6.5 to the younger manbun types ... ; ) ...

[@titomish5914]

I’ve been noticing how old hunters can’t stand the 6.5 creed 😂😂😂 just get over it it’s not all about 270, 308 or 30,06

[@user-de6sv3pk1v]

In handgun defensive loads, fluted bullets (like Lehigh's Extreme Defender) are becoming popular. These bullets are doing similar wound channels as jacketed hollow points if the speed is high enough….Yet they can have hardened bone busting bullets for penetration! This combination screams "hunting cartridge" especially since the shock performance is dependent upon speed which rifles can easily provide When are cartridge manufactures going to load fast, small-for-deer caliber cartridges with similar very hard, non-deforming (thus deep penetrating) fluted bullets that can bust through both deer shoulders and cause violent internal wounding??? …Resulting in quick ethical kills from highly accurate calibers that we love to shoot????? This could make a 6 CM rifle, for example, one of the most versatile (varmints, coyotes, hogs, deer, sheep, plus long range targets… Just choose the appropriate load. This could be one of the most accurate, and most versatile, and with light recoil! It probably would need a thin "slick" jacket that doesn't wear out barrels like the hardened bullet would. If this is a problematic idea, I'd like to read why from you experts.