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Cryogenically freezing barrels is a declared important step in some barrel manufacturers’ process. Entire services are available to cryo barrels for customers interested in accuracy, consistency and longer barrel life. Some say the process works wonders. Some say it’s a fallacy. Mark Boardman, Jimmy Hamilton, and Ryan Muckenhirn debate its relevance. One thing is certain, -300° F is Cold!
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[@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28]

The one thing cryogenic treatment of a barrel is absolutely guaranteed to do is separate you from more of your hard earned money.

[@mikenstien1861]

I have a friend who actually owns Indy Cryogenics. His main purpose of freezing Gun Barrels is to make them last longer. While they May be more accurate, the main purpose is extending barrel life.

[@mbilden]

Same deal with modern machine tools etc. It doesn't make them sharper, it makes them last longer. Longer life=less expense=more profit.

[@user-fn5pu8wk7g]

I have a 6PPC barrel in a benchrest gun that has been cryo'd. I am an engineer by trade and understand the metallurgy and grain structure of the various steels used for barrel construction; that is why I choose to spend the money. To simplify the explanation, anytime there is a rapid change in size of a material (when chambering) or an exposed cut edge (at the throat, the muzzle, and the edge of the riflings) there is a stress concentration produced by the machining process, cryo freezing does reduce this stress concentration by aligning the grain of the steel. Yes, i believe it is worth it if you are perusing that perfect aggregate that a benchrest shooter strives for, maybe not for someone not expecting perfect accuracy and repeatability. One thing I have noticed is it seems to clean easier as opposed to stainless barrels that have not been cryo'd. I was not concerned with barrel life due to my application, but it would also extend barrel life due to the wear of the throat that occurs with hotter loads; eliminating the stress concentrations from this area would slow the erosion of the throat.

[@20020x]

From a tool and die background, understanding a little about metallurgy, cryo' does change the grain structure and alignment of the austenite and martensite crystals in the metal. Metals that are cryo' treated tend to machine better (different). I know one major WI manufacturer use to pre and post cryo' treat, but now I believe they just pre for the sake of their tooling for production, if at all anymore. I do think it is funny how trends come back around. The 10 shot ladder test, OBT, OCW, Cryo', all of which have been used/tried before and still work today by another name, only a matter of time before bullets start getting molied again. I do however think there is some valid points in cryo' treating. The process is, should be, very controlled and ramps down to temp slow and back up slow, not as easy as dipping in liquid nitrogen. Per conversation with Boots Obermeyer, all contouring and fluting should be done before reaming and rifling. It would be interesting "science" to take a rifled blank 1.250 diam, chamber and shoot it for base line, contour it, shoot it, flute it, shoot it, then thread muzzle, shoot it, maybe even cryo'ing, between steps perhaps or at the end....then shoot. Great talk guys.

[@jeffreydawson4520]

A lot of steels in knife making go through a cryogenic process during their heat treat, but not all. I think it would largely depend on what specific steel the barrel is made from as to whether or not it’d respond well to cryo.

[@georgehunter4023]

I can tell you that all gauging and other high quality inspection grade steel products are cryo treated. In fact that stuff gets taken between stress relieve and cryo numerous times. It finishes the heat treating and stress relieve processes. It most importantly ages the steel so that it helps it maintain its shape much better and the heat cycles affect your barrel less.

[@Kross8761]

I had a 6.5 Grendel upper that did the exact same thing jim talked about. It was the most accurate upper i personally have ever owned because it could put the first 3 rounds of a group through the exact same hole (I'm talking .1-.2 MOA for the first three rounds) and then round 4 would open the group up to about .5 MOA and round 5 would open it up to just under 1MOA which i was still okay with, but i always wished i could keep 5 rounds in the same space as the first 3. This wasnt a fluke either, i could consistently (almost every time i shot it if i was on my game) put the first three through the same hole.

[@Oldhogleg]

I've chryod two barrels two decades apart, and it worked on both of them. But I've only did it after exhausting all other options and probabilities to fix the issue. The first barrel's POI would string out to low right as the hammer forged barrel heats up. After cooling off, it'll the same POI drift as it heated up again, over and over. After ruling out all other possible causes I had it chryod, and that fixed the problem. It's POI is now steady as a rock. Two decades later I had a new barrel with a fluted SS BBL. It produced wiled dispersions all over the place. Again I exhausted all other factors such as optics, mounts, loose screws/bolts, barrel contact with the handguard, and so on before having it chryod. This time it cut the dispersions in half, but not eliminated it to the sub MOA level of the previous barrel.

[@TOPGUNMPD08]

You all are the best. Another stellar podcast, no doubt. Sometimes the topic doesn't even matter. The back and forth trumps all. Thank you.

[@johnpublic168]

Definitly, but is the improvement worth it. It works on brake Discs and drill bits.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Just for the record mark did make perfect sense. The blr or the kimber is a better one to try cryo on

[@RMM--uv7uk]

You guys are so funny. I would love to hear your conversations off camera. Lol😂😂😂

[@the1andonlySherlock]

Metallurgical engineer here. The intent of cryogenic treatment of steels is to ensure you are converting all the austenite to martensite. During the heat treatment process, it is possible for most steels to not completely make the transition from austenite to martensite, resulting in retained austenite. This is going to be more common in steels with more alloying elements, such as stainless steels. Retained austenite has a few effects on steels: the most noticeable is a reduction in hardness. Cryogenic treatment does not reduce stress in steels, that can only be done by heating the steel and doing a stress relief treatment. My guess as to why people believe cryogenic treatment results in reduced stress is that over the life of an untreated barrel the retained austenite will naturally transform to untempered martensite, and this transformation causes the grain to expand (similar to water expanding when it freezes), which itself generates internal stresses. These are probably confused for residual stresses. You may also see an improvement in barrel life because if you have retained austenite in an untreated barrel that transforms to martensite, that untempered martensite is extremely brittle and will most likely crack during firing if it is near the interior surface of the barrel. those cracks will grow quickly and result in heat checking appearing faster than in a treated barrel.

[@VortexNation]

Thanks for passing along this information to us!

[@themoss7115]

I've read some scientific papers about the cryogenic heat treatment and it's not only about retained austenite. It also creates some harder carbides and redistributes them towards the surface. But whatever it's doing inside, cryogenically treated steel (when done properly) has measurably more toughness and wear resistance. I thing releasing some stress in the barrel and wear resistance are the most important thing here. But are some interesting questions for scientists. As far as I know, cryogenic heat treatment is usually done as part of the overall heat treatment and not years after that. How does it changes the process or outcome? Cryogenic treatment is particularly useful for stainless steel and steel with other carbide forming elements than just a carbon. How would a barrel perform, if it was made from a non traditional steel and cryogenically treated immediately after it's made? I hope someone will do some cryogenically treated barrel experiments in the near future.

[@CrimeVid]

How long will it take to break in a brand new, cryogenically treated barrel ?

[@CrimeVid]

If I was buying a cryogenically treated barrel, I’d want to know it had been normalised first !

[@the1andonlySherlock]

@@CrimeVid I can't answer that question. I'm not sure I even believe in the break in process to begin with.

[@benbowditch9265]

Real talk.. I have two cryo'd barrels. One is a X-Caliber Fluted Stainless Savage Varmint contour and the other is a McGowen fluted Stainless Douglas #5 Contour.. They both shoot tremendously well. There's a lot of talk about Fluting causing the bore to enlarge, causing accuracy issues.. I wanted to go with a fluted barrel, as well as potentially see if there was any truth to the "cryo claims". If you're getting a custom barrel spun up for $600 or more, why not spend another ~$100 (treatment + shipping). I do however also HBN coat the barrels and the bullets I feed them.. So yeah they stay cooler substantially longer, clean easier, lower sd/es, no coldbore offset, and velocities vs. pressure signs are great. If everything in the shooting sports compounds on overall performance & accuracy.. why not try to take out as many variables as you can? You can't take your money with you to the grave.. I want more accurate shots out of my barrels, before I take them to theirs. It also helps to buy from reputable barrel manufactures, handload, and don't abuse your steel. I can't wait to see the results of Jim's BLR!

[@michaelpietroburgo4980]

Many people Cryo treat the old Ruger pencil barrels on Mini 14 barrels and said it help reduce vertical stringing

[@g24thinf]

Rock River does their barrels, the ones I've owned were pretty accurate.

[@RMM--uv7uk]

I have Chryo many automotive parts. Such as axle shafts, transfer case gears, output gears, ring and pinions. Hub gears. Ect... I have noticed a huge difference in strength. All it does is take the stress fracture and tightens up the molecules in the steel. So yes I could see a benefit in doing barrels

[@josephjulian2503]

I have used cryo barrels and have recommended it to others. I had a new Lilja barrel cryoed for an AR15 competition service rifle and took it off when my X-count at 600 began to drop off. That was after 6,000+ rounds. It can’t hurt and may be worth while.

[@toxicityD]

Cryo treatments are also used in brake manufacturing for cars. Ultimately I think it's probably less of a concern than cut vs. button rifled barrels as button rifling will impart more stress on the barrel when you put rifling in it. I would get cryo as an afterthought or maybe as a last consideration on a prefit barrel, but if I had a rifle that had a heat treat problem with it's barrel I would probably just get a new barrel if that were an option.

[@michaelmoffit1423]

Machining ops i.e. metal removal always relieves stress. Forming ops (hammer forging and butoon rifling) add stress

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The short answer is: yes. The useful answer is: if you have to ask, youre probably not going to see the benefits. Cryotreating barrels is in the realm of diminishing returns for most people.

[@randyhavard6084]

I could see it extending the barrel life, because it can be used to extend the useful life of drill bits

[@VortexNation]

Good point there!

[@mikedebear]

Cryo treatment on metals for stress relieving is a real thing. Not a gun reference, but we were burning up brake rotors on the racecar I was helping pit crew for, and without changing brand we did a test on two sets of rotors with cryo. The rotors lasted 70% longer before warping or grooving. Does this equal more accuracy in a rifle barrel? Hard to say. Would I expect better resistance to throat erosion from a hot cartridge or a longer service life from a crew served weapon- yeah I think that's a fair bet all things being equal.

[@joearledge]

This could not possibly be less scientific if I tried, but I have a stainless steel cryoed 18" 223 wylde ar bull barrel. My logic for doing it was there was no definitive evidence for or against it, and Kreiger does it to all of their barrels, so I guess I'll do it. It shoots .5 to .75 moa with factory ammo. Even shot a 4 round group of M855 steel tip under 0.5, but round #5(not the 5th one fired) was a 3" "flier" lol. The only odd thing I've seen with it is velocity. It's consistently about 25 FPS faster than my FN 20" M16A4 clone. I expected to lose a little velocity Vs. a 20" but oddly picked some up.

[@perrytilton5221]

I had X-Caliber spin me up a 14.5" 6.5 CM for an AR-10 in 4140 CMV. My goal was to not necessarily gain precision when cooler, but better wear characteristics (which I had heard multiple times), more consistent POA/POI over longer strings (which I had heard multiple times), and higher velocities (ranged from 10-60 fps, but the jury is still out on this). I have yet to put it together because this is supposed to be a spendier build and it's just taking a while.

[@duradance4475]

I send everything from engines, suspension parts, brake pads, brake rotors, clutches, and including gun barrels to Cryo Heat metal treatment. So yea once you know you know

[@RickM-yb9hx]

Does cryo make a bigger difference on hammer forged barrels versus "machine" cut rifling?

[@AaronBleess-yz4cw]

I figured I better provide a comment and let you know I have never had a cryogenic treatment done to one of my barrels. But I have kicked around the idea many times.

[@waynebrown16]

Can you do a 10 minute talk on gain twist barrels?

[@michaelficarro2591]

I'm not a Benelli fan boy, but their cryogenic shotgun barrels pattern REALLY well.....

[@ryancollins5461]

My question would be if there is a type of rifling that lends itself better to the Cryo treatment? For instance if cut rifling, button rifling, or a hammer forging sees better improvement with cryo treatment. Just curious

[@AppleJack76]

Makes brake rotors last longer, especially for track use and/or full on race car.

[@newerest1]

Most of the barrels I find myself buying now are dictated around price first then accuracy, but in the rare situation where i need a very quality barrel AND i expect it to have to last a long time (like literally decades, think a thin profile 300 winmag that gets shot rarely) i might consider cryo, but its gonna have to be a bartlein blank in the first place

[@tylerphelps4868]

There’s certainly data on it. High end motorsports it’s gaining popularity quickly for things like blocks, cranks, rods, etc. because it extends the longevity and strength of the part by a surprising margin. It’s done prior to final machining vs after like you’re seeing in this market. I would argue that there’s likely not a lot of worth in this market, more so maybe in a situation where you’re putting more heat and more rounds through a barrel. Like machine gun type stuff

[@timothysegatti64]

I have AR10 with a Heavy SS Fluted barrel that as been CRYOGENICALLY treated it stands up to more abuse as in long strings for fire and keeps its zero for many many strings of fire. 5 shot Groups went from 1.2 inches to 0.81 inches at 200meter zero. I call that gun Thumper. I am a retired Marine so I shot alot and I have trained many friends and Co-workers to shot pistols and rifles...

[@edwardabrams4972]

That’s exactly what I have seen too

[@balazra]

10% is a huge amount. I do other sports where a 0.1% gain is the difference between 1st and last last in a race. 10% accuracy in PRS seems a huge difference. $60 for a 1% would be amazing.

[@edwardabrams4972]

Having collected rifles for 60+ years I have had more then one gun that was Cryo and I think it helps but each barrel is different so I have seen a barrel Cryo that didn’t lose its accuracy as fast after being Cryo. But I don’t think it will work on every barrel so be warned but it can’t hurt as Ryan said!

[@baumdiggity27]

My cryogenically treated Jp rifles barrel is stupid accurate. Helps that it came with a bolt that’s headspaced matched to the barrel

[@karencarroll2571]

Made me laugh. Mark does NOT want to cryo his rifle that Ryan has shot. Can't wait to hear about Jim's BLR cryo results. I provided my comment...

[@propertypreparedness6846]

Interesting…. Never would have thought about this and sounds unnecessary, but interesting.

[@thatguyoverthere2288]

I have a Lantac raven barrel that has been cryoed and nitrided. It's more accurate than any faxon, noveske or rainier ultramatch barrel I have shot.

[@COSpacegunner]

For the purposes of discussion of this video, the word, "accuracy", should be replaced with "precision". Accuracy can be improved by adjusting the sights (i.e., how close the shots are to the aim point). Precision is how consistently the barrel/firearm fires from shot to shot (i.e., group sizes).

[@outrider212]

At what point during manufacturing is the cryo treatment applied? Cryo treatments for blade making are done immediately after the quench for improved hardness.

[@VortexNation]

It would be the final step before the barrel is mounted on the rifle. All of the machining and truing has been completed.

[@mr.mr.3301]

How about a podcast of cartridges you would like to see. I’d like a 7mm Grendel or a 7mm in 6.5 prc case. I wanted a better 3006/279/280ai. I don’t care for new magnums since I never wanted a magnum.

[@chadperry4021]

That’s a great idea, the 7-6.5 prc kinda exits it’s called the 7 prcw and is used in benchrest competitions.

[@Funting3417]

On the next 10min talk the 340wby magnum

[@williamsweet7511]

Mark is awesome, be nice. I'm providing my comment.

[@moss8702]

I get the science behind something like this. Especially when a barrel is cooling down after being machined and incrementally being cryo frozen to make the bonded rock solid. But that much temperature difference just sounds (-300f) sounds like a potential liability. I feel like you can't ensure the integrity of the barrel isn't compromised depending on how rapidly this thing is frozen. Which i'm assuming is pretty fast. You can achieve sub-MOA today without the cryo treatment. There are rifles that will always be far more accurate than any shooter alive could ever be being produced fairly regularly nowadays. I don't think introducing a variable in manufacturing like this is beneficial. Idk about any reports. But I worry about things like micro-cracks during cooling and thawing based on how rapid the process is, tolerance issues, and brittleness with metal shrinking at -300f. When it's purpose can easily have it jumping up to 300-500f very quickly depending on the loads and pace of shots you're taking. Just sounds unnecessary.

[@20020x]

If done properly, cryo' should not create any adverse structural weakness in the materials, actually it should make it tougher. Salt bath nitriding on the other hand makes me nervous from a metallurgy stand point. At normal nitride temps, you are for sure softening/annealing the metal and putting a hard/fragile candy shell on the base metal.

[@moss8702]

@@20020x that's what I worry about. Properly treating. Idk the stages of metal shrinkage based on temperature or whether they do it at room temp barrels that were just recently off the machine block or sat in a pile. I worry about it being brittle. I def know it will make it very hard. But that sounds like the potential to make it simultaneously brittle. Not super brittle but maybe brittle enough to maybe make micro-cracks when it's heated up so fast after afew dozen rounds. Like I said, I'm not sure what temps they operate before/after the treatment. I agree with you. That's always been unnecessary and sketchy to me. We need these microscopically analyzed lol

[@20020x]

300 Below was the lead in technology for Cryo' treatments. At -300F, basically all movement between molecules in the metal stop, then as the temp ramps back up, molecules align in a more organic configuration thus tougher, not necessarily harder. This treatment of barrels has been done since the 90's, so I am guessing if there was ever a failure associated, it would have shown by now.

[@moss8702]

@@20020x thank you. And you're definitely right. We would've heard something by now. I wonder how well it would do under automatic fire. I gotta look into that.

[@20020x]

@matthewllinet7920 toughness and smoothness would be great attributes for full auto guns, but accuracy is generally a mute point in full auto fire. Chrome lining "plating" or a stellite chamber/throat liner are usually the answer for full suto.

[@TMFShooting]

What '''''' ❄👀👀 Very Interesting , Great Stuff 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Shoot a benelli lupo and tell me cryogenic barrel treatment dosent really make a diff. Only rifle to this day I've seen literally shoot a 1 hole 5shot group at 125yards. I'm completely convinced if done correct it works wonders for stress relief. 1 hole 🕳 125yards

[@TranquilFire]

Back to load balloons, thanks team

[@806Guns]

So who is your first pick for ar barrels ?

[@806Guns]

My guy uses wilson blanks. Even cheaper than x caliber and shoot as good or better for my remage setups

[@CalebDeBoer]

I mean I’ll do dang near anything to get cold bore closer to my strings in some of my rifles. So if cryo can do that I’m all in .

[@mr.lovell3645]

Faxon does this to their barrels...👍🤠

[@calebhanson6108]

Can we get a 405 Winchester Cartridge talk

[@davepowell001]

I remember when it was the hot new thing...and it cost over $300 to have done at the time...same claims, but....if its not the standard for all...then is it that beneficial?

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Typically things that arent the standard are better. Standards are cost conscience, better usually costs.

[@holeinmind]

I would bet a dollar that the reason the BLR runs out after a few shots is from the pressure put on it by the forend.

[@Bshwag]

A really accurate gun is a great control.

[@josephwilson4178]

I’m disappointed Jim didn’t make any automotive remarks relating to cryogenic treated transmission gears or something. Come on Jim! Hahaha

[@VortexNation]

He does have to contain himself otherwise it would turn into a 120Minute Talk.

[@JimmyJusa]

I think Mark needs to go into the cryo chamber so he can chill out. Jim and Ryan sure got him heated.

[@Strutingeagle]

It is now time for this channel to step it up a bit. They need to remove that big table in the room and put in a podium in the center of the room with lights and Vortex logo on all sides of it. Jim stands on one side of the podium and Mark opposite of him. Ryan Muckenberry can be the referee while Jim and Mark engage in a power slap contest. The winner gets a rangefinder and the loser gets a lens wipe.

[@newerest1]

😂😂😂 this podcast has only been missing a power slap component, how could I have not realized it sooner

[@jerrymartin5100]

Cryo seems to help older steels and rifles more than new process barrels, a WW2 garand barrel may get much more improvement than a 2023 30-06 barrel.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The thing is, as was mentioned, is that typically only good quality barrels get cryoed. So sure, cryoed barrels are better but not nessessarily due to being cryoed.

[@ThatGuy-kf7fo]

Guys, guys. CARTRIDGE TALKS. It’s that simple.

[@VortexNation]

🙌🙌🙌

[@arminiusaurelius]

In defense of (was it) Mark, “provide your comments” is definitely the sort of thing that a human would say on accident while an AI wouldn’t say it ever.

[@VortexNation]

😂😂😂

[@northernoutdooradventures3883]

Comments provided! 😂

[@Ordrock7]

NASA freezes their parts on the space shuttle to strengthen them when the metal needs to be the same from the middle of the part to the edges of the metal. The process of Cryo realigns the metal down to the molecular level.

[@larrygabbard4896]

Come on Mark😂

[@normanbanks8902]

Here’s my thought: if you had a rifle that consistently shoots 1” groups and cryogenic only helps accuracy 10%. Would it be worthwhile to do it to then shoot .9” groups?? Then if you use a Sims device and say they claim 25-35% better accuracy and have it treated, now you’re looking at 45% better accuracy from the 2. Now that 1” rifle is shooting .55” groups. Hello rabbit hole!!!

[@VortexNation]

🐇🕳️

[@WayStedYou]

21:56 I wonder what Ryan said here

[@VortexNation]

We'll never know 🤣🤣

[@Dmounts]

But is this applicable to rimfire barrels too? Lol

[@A-a-ron480]

Do your barrels, before and after.

[@VortexNation]

Some shops will cryo them after they've been shot. Typically the service is provided when you purchase the barrels (also depending on the company/shop).

[@A-a-ron480]

I think I need to find a local shop.

[@codyway7424]

Benchrest and F-class competitors are not cryo treating their barrels. Frank Green of Bartline says no benefit on their barrels, which are normally on the podium.

[@VortexNation]

True, but it also might have to do something with the person on the gun as well!

[@MrTacklebury]

Basically just stress relief similar to proper annealing etc. I think it's way overpriced for dropping a barrel into a vat of liquid nitrogen for 5 minutes and then letting it thaw. If I wanted to try one, I'd go to my buddy's farm and drop it in their sperm storage unit. lol H&R barrels have a lot of stress due to having welded underlugs. If you want to thread one of those it's good.

[@ant1sokolow]

Cryo treatments: they are purported to enhance things in so many fields of activities and for materials very diverse. The mechanism of action is always described in very vague terms: realigning the grain structure, lessen residual stresses etc... It works on everything but we don't know how. Unconclusive studies (another Panacea: if you don't prove me wrong i'm right). At least it didn't harm...The BS detector is pinging. Cryogeny is a very rich field of science with impressive results :supercondudivity, superfluidity, cryo machinig etc. . But do extreme cold improves barrel, electric guitars strings and pickups, oudoor or chef knives, golf clubs and brake pads. NO. Snake oil vendors are very prevalent in this field.

[@ronaldroehrick4872]

Without a properly cambered rifle, the rest of the process on barrels doesn't mean a lot, the most accurate rifles probably have the tightest chambers. If I am wrong somebody will let me know? We must buy quality barrels from the best barrel makers.

[@VortexNation]

We think you might be onto something here!

[@BlueNinjaStay]

This comment is just to satisfy the AI overlord.

[@justice1327]

Do it Mark send your barrel in. Use the same ammo and establish a baseline.

[@edwardabrams4972]

Would be good to see if it makes a difference in His gun!

[@VortexNation]

We will get him there with peer pressure for sure!

[@MrMillez]

Poor Mark

[@steffen707-]

18:52 Jimmy is spot on! Normal people wouldn't pay it, but rich folks might.

[@jesusisalive3227]

An extra $60 is only for rich folks?

[@audieladd2476]

Hi, Have you seen Cyclops Joe's latest video? You would be well within your rights to seek legal advice regarding litigation. He needs to be called out for his unacceptable behavior.

[@joearledge]

12:20 I'm gonna call BS on the inability to get a bad barrel. If you go factory or cheap aftermarket, the chances of getting a good barrel are small. Most major companies have little to no QC these days and could care less. Now if you just buy a barrel from a reputable barrel maker (Kreiger, Brux, Criterion, ect...) chances are it's gonna be pretty good.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

"...I think its very difficult for a shooter to get a bad barrel from a major manufacturer." Hes absolutely correct.

[@joearledge]

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz LMFAO🤣🤣🤣🤣 what are you? A 12 year old European that's never touched a real gun before?? Or is your standard for precision 6 MOA?? Because I can send you dozens of bore scope videos from most major rifle makers, of off the shelf brand new rifles, that shows half finished chambers, chatter marks that look like rumble strips in the grooves all the way down the bore, and crowns that are wildly uneven and/or look like napped flint....

[@steffen707-]

Sounds like you boys need to buy 2 guns, cryo one and compare. 😂🎉

[@VortexNation]

We think you're onto something here!

[@justice1327]

That won’t work. The idea is to see if Cryo improves on an existing barrel that has not been cryogenically stress relieved. One would need to take a barrel shoot at least 200 rounds through it to ensure the barrel is fully broken in and sped up and then establish a baseline group/velocity and only then can you send it off for Cryo have it come back and check again. must be the same exact ammo and same weather or atmosphere conditions.

[@peterreily1490]

That’s like asking if a dude taking it up the poop shoot makes them more limber. Nobody asks shit like that. Cryogenically frozen? GFYS.