Ep. 318 | 300 Win Mag vs 6.5 Creedmoor - Huh?

Mark Boardman and Ryan Muckenhirn take their 300 Win Mag vs 6.5 Creedmoor discussion to the next level in this more than odd-couple cartridge comparison. These cartridges are common, but not commonly compared. So why did we do it and how did they perform? What questions did we answer? Did we dispel any myths? Tune in to watch some bullet-pulling gel-block surgery and find out.
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[@stephenparchewski1998]

Hi guys, as a request, could you please adjust your judging criteria so that the 6.5 Creedmoor always loses in these comparisons? Thanks!

[@Dale37]

I see people local to me bashing the 6.5 all the time, and I get it's not the best option for big game. I am in Louisiana, though where whitetail is the biggest animal we hunt. I found it to be the perfect fit for my daughter, so she got her first deer with it last year. Two weeks ago I decided to use it and the biggest deer I have ever shot walks out and would not give me a broad side shot. Finally, at 110 yards, he turns left just enough for me to get him in the left shoulder. He was a 246lb 8 point and dropped in his tracks using a 140 grain Remington Core-Lokt. It done the job, didn't ruin the shoulder, didn't knock my shoulder off, and with the lack of recoil, I got to watch him drop through the scope. Guess what my new deer cartridge is? I, too, own a 30-06, .300 win mag and other rifles.

[@Calvin-l6o]

I love your Vortex Nation Pod Casts and the banter you all have, usually very educational along with funny thoughts. I grew up shooting 30-06 and with it's ability to be loaded up and down the bullet weight range, I still believe it to be the best single rifle caliber to own, but again who wants only one rifle. I am 70 now and find it funny that everything old is new again. What I mean by that is, all this talk of the 6.5 creedmoor it is nothing more than a short stroke 270 with pretty much the same ballistics give or take and then there is the 280 British as well. I know lots of people talk about ft lbs of recoil but being 185lb to 220 since high school recoil has never been an issue. Keep up the great work and can't wait for the next one. From Nebraska

[@masone4589]

This is definitely a case of, just buy both. Two of the best options for “two guns to do it all”

[@biggs8729]

I was hunting elk with a 300 PRC but the year I had my shoulder surgery. I prepped my 65 Creedmoor with 127 grain Barns LRX. There’s no way I could’ve handled the 300 and I knew the 6.5 with a good copper bullet was up to the task With a greater range restriction. I have since gone to a middle of the road short magnum, 6.8 Western. Other than an extreme distance shot, I have full confidence in that 6.8.

[@TTT-du6oj]

Ryan mentioned the “state of awareness” of the animal,that can be a big factor for sure,also according to federal they use the fusion bullet in the 6.5 creedmoor power shok ammo which helps explains how well it performed,great talk guy’s👍

[@gsitzkowitz]

I think you’re making a great case for the 6.5 PRC, 7PRC, or the 7mag.

[@edwardabrams4972]

I think so to but he has good reason to! The 7 rem mag is just about all most hunters can handle properly because of the recoil! Being a gun collector for 60+ years and having owned hundreds of guns I found that most shooters find the 300 win mag just a little more then they want in recoil and thus why the 7 rem mag has done so good over the years and is all that is really needed in most cases

[@Unknown_user_est1776]

I own both 6.5CM and 300WM and they compliment each other well. However, if I had to buy one rifle, I agree with you. I would definitely buy 7RM or 7PRC. The 6.5PRC would definitely be there also.

[@imafreakinhistorian2169]

Hunters who even think about recoil , are being taught wrong .@@edwardabrams4972

[@sgtpickles1319]

Still waiting on 6.5 PRC vs. 270 Win. Only 2 grains and 10 FPS different for the box values of the ELD-X.

[@jackbuendgen389]

It's probably a wash. One is better at extreme distances and one is more available.

[@sgtpickles1319]

@@jackbuendgen389 I would assume they would be similar but that’s why testing it for real is interesting. I have seen several people say 6.5 PRC is marginal for elk but they would take a .270, want to see if that has any merit.

[@jackbuendgen389]

@@sgtpickles1319 that gets me to! It's a third of a millimeter... A third! Is there really that much difference? I don't know

[@sgtpickles1319]

@@jackbuendgen389 One way to find out 👍

[@JohnSanders-p7o]

Yes that would be a good one!!

[@nordicgods6183]

I have 300 win and 7mm08 Can tell you I much prefer the 7mm08. Think its the best all-around hunting rifle until moose.

[@vincewolf5142]

This was a great watch. Thx as always fellaz

[@traceyevans2757]

I’m so glad you guys made this podcast. I’ve had this question for so long.

[@Bigfish1day]

Everyone has a pick, I sighted in my dad’s 300 WM a couple of weeks ago, I hunt with .308 and 6.5, I’m a fairly chunky dude and I will say that the 300 is not a gun I would shoot enough to get very accurate with. Most of the new guns out here are very light. After 25 rounds, not a gun I will buy. If I need more gun, I’ll take a 30-06 with 180 gr copper or soft points. Here in my part of NC, 125-175 yards is longest shot on the property I hunt.

[@titomish5914]

6.5-7-08-308 It’s all you need

[@Unknown_user_est1776]

I own both and I think they compliment each other very well. I long to shoot long distance so 6.5 is cheaper and more readily available while 300 WM will reach out and hit a target with authority. Additionally, I hunt with both. Once again, 6.5 will take everything down that I normally hunt with no problem but sometimes I like to take the 300WM to drop it right where I shot it. However, I use an aggressive muzzle brake on the 300WM and it’s a sweetheart to shoot now. If I didn’t have that brake, I could see myself questioning more often if I need to use it.

[@nicksrandomviews1296]

I would take a 300 win mag any day over the 6.5 especially for hunting.

[@efrenlizarraga9717]

Love these cartridge talks huge fan keep them going gents

[@shermrock345]

Also heard a great story about a lady who dropped a bison with a .308 with one shot. She wanted to use what she was comfortable with shooting

[@hotramen5952]

I’ve noticed, and you can see it in gel pretty often, that copper bullets don’t track as straight as bonded bullets, have a higher velocity floor for expansion, and the return is minimal penetration gains. No one can deny that copper works, and if the law in your state that’s that. But, bonded bullets are more better.

[@sandych33ks1]

I have a Browning 300 win mag that is a tac driver that doesn't kill your shoulder. I have no need for the 6.5 need more...

[@24kachina]

The further reality is that while the 6.5 Creedmoor is a fantastic cartridge, it delivers just borderline energy to ethically kill a bull elk. Ryan's Toyota Tacoma to Ford F 350 reference is spot on. Can a Tacoma for example pull a certain weight trailer? Maybe? Is it ideal and reliable and safe to do so, no, it's not. Pick the right tool for the job, don't try to glorify smaller cartridges to the detriment of wounded or lost game.

[@tommyj1811]

As one local hunter in the Fairbanks area in Alaska told me. Do you want to anchor the moose right there, or let him walk into muskeg, expire and try to get him out of there. After experiencing muskeg for the first time, I got what he was saying. Like walking in a swamp that can twist your ankle. He said, use the biggest gun you can.

[@gumbyybumg]

Well well well if it isn’t Ryan “I like penetration” Muckenhirn - will be exactly what I say if I ever have the pleasure of talking to you in person. Great video guys, i recently sold the bolt rifles that I owned but am looking at getting back into precision shooting and deer hunting. Your podcast has been very helpful in cartridge selection, I think I’ll be hopping on the 6.5 creed train. Thanks to these videos I feel adequately educated on its capabilities and shortcomings, pumped to start cooking up some loads for it

[@dominicteresi3835]

Still waiting for a 6arc version of this series

[@txpredatorhunting]

😉

[@tjbarkley727]

6 arc va 6.5 Grendel?!? Would love to see it

[@BV-vh2it]

I would request 8.6 blackout vs any cartridge you choose to see the effectiveness of the rotational energy transferred per Ryan’s comment about the concentricity of the grooves in the wound channel

[@ryanlorenz561]

I think it’s very important with larger cartridges to consider rifle weight, recoil pad, etc. My Savage 110 in 300 win mag is very pleasant to shoot, and I’ve never once thought about the recoil after shooting a .270 for years. It’s more recoil obviously, but it’s never been enough to make me think about it. I have a pretty average body type for reference.

[@craigstanbrough6183]

I don't think caliber and recoil are the same I just changed a mild 22 in .308 to a 17 in. Barrel and the recoil is significant difference, the shorter barrel kicks like a mule. I never would have guessed that much of a difference until I did it myself.

[@williambehrend5452]

The very reason guys like your buddy should use a 338 federal, and yes I want one .

[@SasquatchComposites]

@36:00 my elk this year was a complete pass through. Huge blood trail on the exit side. Nary a drop from the entrance side. I’m a believer in full pass throughs.

[@leskrug9266]

Oh your podcasts are so freaking great!! Actually, this year and last year I just finally went to the copper bullets which is the Barnes TTSX in my 30-06 and then my 7:08 the 30 ought 6. I have not found a load yet, which I think I have to do some tweaking on the rifle itself in the 708. I was getting half inch to 3/4 inch groups with 140 grains and actually just yesterday which was December 17th I believe or 16th. Whatever Sunday was. I took it to the chronograph and was doing 28.25 feet per second. My other bullets that have used my entire life has been nausler partitions nosler varmint, ballistic tips and one rifle. My 8x57 has nozzler acubons! The only reason I went to copper is because I think at some point in my life I'm 58 years old that they're going to outlaw lead. Even though I already have enough ammunition to last my lifetime and one of my boys's lifetimes loaded because I reload, I wanted to try something new and I went to the Barnes TTSX and I shot a deal with that this year so far and it went right down, had extreme penetration. It was all the way through. Had a half inch hole in and a 2-in hole coming out. I mainly hunt deer in Pennsylvania. Some year. I'm going to get out to Montana to hunt elk which that is probably going to be my 4570 Marlin lever action cowboy 26-in barrel or my 375 Ruger Ruger number one. Every gun I have I love and now my boys are enjoying those guns. Also, my oldest son who is 22 loves the 8x57 which I had it sporterized into a man. Licker stock left all the rings on the barrel. Everything was reblued new timney trigger new rings and mounts has a leopold 100th anniversary 3 to 9x40 scope on it. The stock was completely done from a blank by a gunsmith. He did everything on it for me which was back in like 2006 or 7:00. But thank you for all the great content. Keep it coming. I know you didn't like that word Leopold in there hahaha

[@Calvin-l6o]

I have never shot a Tikka3 300 win mag light rifle but my Benelli Lupo 300 win mag does not kill my shoulder aka recoil and I love it.

[@1bobharvey]

"You can't make something too dead" ... you should have seen the mess a 165 gr copper caused on Sitka Blacktail out of my 30-06 this fall. I was definitely over gunned should have taken the old trusty .243 with a 85 grainer.

[@tjbarkley727]

SO UHHHHH ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM HERE… Christmas is in a week and there’s no cartridge talks. I’ve asked time and time again on the 6mm rem. Maybe Santa will wake me up when he visits and talk about it.

[@michaelcain9675]

Why not go to the 270 Winchester or 280?

[@ronlowney4700]

😎 But, I Did! 😂 And, the 270 Winchester Won the Penetration Test Out of ALL Cartridges Compared and Still Has One of the Lightest Recoils of Any! 😯 Something To Consider! 🤑

[@thomasjohnson7282]

Let's talk some Nosler Partition and Accubond's ⏳️

[@Bigfish1day]

I like that but Nosler Partitions are like finding fairy dust now. I can’t find them anywhere.

[@OldSoulBallistics84]

Nosler Accubond are lights out!

[@joshjspice]

You two are THE BEST. Love you guys and all you do, especially the honest, candid, informal yet educated and substantiated banter, in the perspectives you consider it in. I became even more of a fan of the 6.5 after this. This was a great listen for my gf, who shoots a Tikka 6.5.

[@ronaldroehrick4872]

How about a 3006 with a 130-grain copper bullet at 3200 fps, less recoil than the 300 but with fantastic trajectory and performance.

[@tedhilton3420]

What would a 264 win mag or 26 nosler with copper bullets do compared to the 300 win mag with copper bullets? The velocities will be much close to the 300 win mag…..right?

[@Hemidodgecharger13]

You should do 6.8 western vs 7prc

[@zlanderson3378]

I love these discussions. I own a .300 Win Mag and a 6.5 CM. Both are great guns and great cartridges. I have killed many whitetail, ground hogs and coyotes with the CM. And they are very much dead. Every whitetail has folded “like a $5 tent.” Shot a cow moose in Newfoundland with the .300 WM at 330 yards. Boy did it hit hard. She went down in 3 steps. Then followed with with a whitetail at 220 yards. Both were very much dead. I had been shooting 130 gn Hornady SST out of the 6.5 CM and 180 gn Accubonds out of the .300 WM, but Ryan you have me sold on the copper bullets. I have picked up an a plethora of Barnes TSX bullets, in many weights and calibers. My question to you is, tipped or non-tipped projectiles? I was originally all in on the tipped projectiles, but the more I learn and think about it, the non-tipped would be a better option for hunting, as that hydraulic expansion would begin immediately on impact and should retain more weight, as it isn’t losing the tip. Thoughts?

[@swicked86]

Creedmore has a good design for the limits it was built for, and the audience. I'll pass on this discussion, because I think the 260,243 filled that gap already.

[@sbcbaits994]

.260 is a great round. It’s just a little less efficient than the creedmoor and overall length is just a little too long for high bc bullets in a short action. With a 50ish fps difference between the two, the creedmoor is hands down the better option just based on ammo availability alone. .243 isn’t even in the conversation unless you build a custom rifle with a faster twist ratio. Great round… just not for long range without re-barreling to allow for heavier projectiles.

[@SirWhiteRabbit-gr5so]

I'm confused now. I had believed; - 6.5 CM for long distance paper - 7mm RM for long distance meat. - 308/30-06 for big critters close-in. - 375 HH for fangs and claws.

[@WayStedYou]

The 6.5 might be a federal fusion projectile loaded in a power shok box. They seem to do that on a few of their various loads.

[@nomore606]

How about a terminal ballistic comparison between round nose and spitzer bullets?

[@williamspondel4302]

Good video! Your thinking is pretty much like mine. I simply don’t have anywhere to use those cartridges for hunting in Illinois. And I rarely go hunting out of state. That’s why I am I more nearly into modern and antique straight walled rifle and pistol cartridges.

[@edwardabrams4972]

Recoil can be a hard thing to learn to ignore or totally control! I love magnums but in most cases it’s more then what is needed to get the job done! But one can never have too many guns and I am sticking with that story if the wife ask why do you need another 🤔😳😂

[@stephensmith6599]

"that's not new, I loaned that to my buddy a while back and he returned it"

[@bobhu6011]

very interesting, I have 2 guns I have been debating about on which to take hunting out west for pronghorn. both are browning blr one in 5.6 cm and one in 300wsm. (140 and 180 win silvertip). after watching this it looks like the 6.5 is the one for me.

[@delphisrichard5279]

Shot placement first than cartridge if need be.

[@jfess1911]

Regarding the "two gun hunter" idea. An interesting thing about the new 277 Fury is that the less expensive lower pressure ammo performs pretty much like the 270 Win and the high pressure stuff performs like the 270 WSM (all out of 24" barrels)*. It will be interesting to see if many hunters, especially those who mostly take shots at under 300 yards or so, will mainly use the less expensive lower pressure ammo and save the expensive stuff for the occasional long shot or bigger animal. I know that a similar thing is possible with current magnum cartridges since it is possible to download them (and reduced recoil or "lite" factory ammo is available). The difference in ammo price is not as extreme, however. *The shorter-barrel performance with the high-pressure ammo the 277 Fury's main selling point, so it is likely that it will be mainly used from suppressed rifles with 16"-18" barrels (where performance of both loads would be a bit less).

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

This comparison of the two ends of the spectrum highlights that with a 6.5CM you might wish to gain a bit more of what the 300WM brings to the table but without giving up the shoot-ability of lower recoil. IMO This points to the 7mm-08 REM as perhaps an improvement over the creedmoor for hunting larger animals… particularly with say the Nosler 168gr ABLR or Barnes 145gr LRX bullets. The 708 appears to be even more versatile than the 6.5CM. Cheers!

[@RCx44]

Not at all, there is so little difference between a 140 out a of a 7mm vs 6.5mm. Ammo availability for 6.5 is literally 100x that of 7mm 08.

[@emr7831]

Please please please do a 243 vs 6.5 creedmore. I have a newborn to buy a rifle for and sometimes he needs truck rides at 3 am to fall asleep so i listen to your cartridge talks and I need a 6.5 vs 243 one!

[@GRAE_GHOST]

Your guys' next comparison needs to be a 7prc vs 28 nosler, that would be an awesome match up.

[@relentlessraghorn]

This was the exact cartridge comparison that I weighed when I got my first rifle

[@sj257257]

Time for a collaboration with the slow mo guys to look at some down range twist rates and wound chanel from different rounds.

[@dominicdevito]

That .264 looks like a Speer Gold Dot.... And I bet it's a Speer GD. Love em

[@sjuels]

Nice episode - the rotational effect needs to have some investigation done; physics state that rotation has energy, in addition to the velocity of the projectile.

[@vincewolf5142]

Ryan touched on his “personal lineup” of rifles. Let’s hear it. What are they? What does the guru have and why?

[@davidmcneil1550]

Ive choosen to lessen the recoil of the rifle I shoot. .30-06 is a bit much. Moved to a 6.5 RPM. Great compromise.

[@ericford8556]

A bullet test with Hammer bullets should be done.

[@luistaracena9679]

I have a Ruger American Wild Camo 300 Win Mag with a Nikon FX1000 scope weights 10 lbs, shooting Federal Power/Shok jacketed soft point 150g... Shoots like a 308. I was expecting more recoil.

[@johnl5974]

Very enjoyable episode, they all are.

[@ronlowney4700]

🕵️‍♂️ What Ever It's Worth to You Ryan, I Used to Own a 338 Lapua and Other BIG 30 Calibers and They Never Killed The Elk Any Faster Than My 270 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield! 😱 So, I Went Back to the "Old Tried and True" Proven Classic Cartridges and Still Filled My Freezer (While Saving My Shoulder and Cash in My Wallet)! 🤑 It is the 270 Win For the "Win"! 🥇🏆🤴

[@jmgates09]

6.5 prc was the comparison to make with the 300wm

[@Bshwag]

I want a tiki t3 6.5 creedmore and as a reloader I know that because of the magazine that gun is far more than what it appears at first. The magazine for the 300 win mag will fit in the 6.5 CM that gives you the ability to load long (as long as you have a deep enough throat) and thus gain a higher powder capacity and greater velocity with most bullets that you would want to use.

[@BadoreksDailys]

I have one and can confirm, it’s a great combo for a lightweight deer / antelope / target gun. It’s my “daily driver” rifle. Still bust out the 300 for elk, aoudad, and bear. Wouldn’t be afraid to use the 6.5, but I also really like the 300 and why have it if I don’t find a reason to use it 😂

[@Bshwag]

@@BadoreksDailys Very true

[@CA_Outdoor_Reviews]

Please do 6.5 grendel vs 6 arc!!!!

[@K-bob_45]

Should’ve just gone 30-06 w/brake. Kicks like a creedmoor, potentially cheaper than the creed even, and hits harder. If you handload a 30-06 is just a creed on steroids. 200’s at 2700 vs 140’s 2700.

[@leskrug9266]

Well I guess as far as the podcast of what you're talking about the 300 win mag versus the 65 creedmoor I've never shot either one but my opinion I would definitely take the 300 win mag over the 65 for an all-around gun for North America

[@titomish5914]

For deer and down definitely the 6.5 for bigger game no question the 300wm

[@isaiahs1351]

You guys need a high speed camera.

[@robertsebacher44]

I realize that we are a country of extremes, however, the 30:06 would have given your friend the better of both worlds. Maybe not the best, but he would not need another big game rifle. Emphasis on need in North America. 7mm REM Mag in semi automatic action with a muzzle brake might also have been a good compromise. Of course you could do this with any caliber to mitigate recoil. If recoil is a serious consideration then choosing an appropriate weight rifle and scope combination is also a part of the equation which cannot be ignored.

[@scottrusinko]

On today’s episode, we compare an apple to an orange

[@jaydunbar7538]

2 gun hunter? Someone could have told me that’s all I needed 50 guns ago lol

[@shermrock345]

Oh if you put a great break on .300win it brings the recoil down a lot.

[@blakebell6720]

So the final thought is buy a 7prc or 280 ai?

[@ayegame2424]

Do a 6.8 western vs 6.5 creedmore or 270 wsm

[@WesternReloader]

Recoil for an individual under 185 lbs is different for an individual 225 and up.

[@didamnesia3575]

As a 130lb man I can confirm my body is less forgiving. Anything can be shot properly, but not all comfortably

[@WesternReloader]

@@didamnesia3575 6.8 western is a great middle of the road cartridge with less recoil than magnums but hard hitting and flat still

[@didamnesia3575]

@piercer2 I've been leaning towards an AR in 6.5 grendel or a light weight 308 since I already have the reloading dies for both.

[@WesternReloader]

@@didamnesia3575 AR in 6.5 grendel sounds sweet. Currently I only have an AR in 556/223 and an M1A in 308. My next will be a 26” 10lb bolt rifle in 300 win mag. God willing

[@shermrock345]

Idk i just saw a the first lady ever to kill a hypo with a bow and she only had a 65 pound draw weight. If a bow and arrow can take out that huge thing id imagine either one of these riffles could too

[@Ben_Lehnert]

With all the comparisons of the 6.5 creedmoor vs. xyc I kinda want to challenge you guys to find an application where the 6.5 creed can do things that the 6.5 swedish can't. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a REALLY close call, if at all...

[@johncadloni4538]

Try to buy a new 6.5 Swedish and ammo is hard to find. I don't know why people always bring this up. The 6.5 creed and the swede are basicly the same thing. The swede was never that common in the US and the Creedmoor is everywhere. Just like the 300wsm and the 300 win mag are basicly the same with 180gr bullets. The difference is the 300 win is very popular and the wsm is just redundant IMHO. Doesn't mean it isn't any good.

[@Ben_Lehnert]

@@johncadloni4538 Completely understandable - but that depends on where you live. I have no problems finding rifles, ammo and also reloading components, but I guess that's just the case because I'm from Europe.

[@deanc2322]

Hornady recommends 6.5 creedmoor for elk.

[@262fire3]

22lr vs 12 Guage for squirrels...

[@wahyasaquii7563]

Lmbo! …that could be fun!!!

[@josojoso1974]

In my hunting ground 6.5 needmore is prohibited for hunting.

[@tjames525]

Must be talking elk camp because that is a very strange rule? If someone is losing deer or smaller game with a 6.5 creedmoore it's because they are a shitty shot and that's the only reason

[@josojoso1974]

@@tjames525 we are in Croatia ,and we have elk ,brown bear ,chamois ,wild boar. Long story short ,since 6.5 beedmore is came and gain popularity we saw a huge increase in wound and never found animalas. So we decided that needmore is prohibited. Not say that you can not wound with other calibers. But my opinion is people think that 6.5 needmore have some vudu thing and overestimate their and calibers abilities

[@rickytaylor5076]

6.5CM vs .300 win mag. 6.5CM Deer .300 win mag anything in North America. Best thing about getting a 6.5CM is it gives you a reason to get a bigger gun. Lol somebody gonna get mad. 30-06 Springfield will take anything in North America but being America means the more guns and calibers the better

[@ukwan]

"Kicks that statement I said right in the *brain filter pause* mouth."

[@nekminet1315]

338 Lapua vs 300 PRC

[@scottsquires6186]

Ok hear me out do a shootout with credmor and 7rem mag or 300 win free handed with two experienced shooters and two none experienced shooters see if they see a difference in target that is outside of a few inches difference because of rifle recoil I think it would be a great watch and really don’t know the answer ?

[@Sunday_Swagger]

I absolutely Hate copper bullets. They don’t expand as well as soft lead. Yeah, the critter will leak. But it’s only drops. Nothing compared to an ole sierra game king.

[@dallasnewson6977]

Can you do 10min talk on 284 win?

[@JohnSanders-p7o]

If i were a sniper toting 300winmag ...6.5 wud be my trainer rifle

[@kbowen2251]

Y'all joke about rimfire but how about a 50 yard test of the big three...17 hmr, 22 LR, and 22 wmr. Only reason i say this is some states (like KY) you can only hunt varmints with rimfire rifles or shotguns.

[@WesternReloader]

Shoot the same bullets at 250 yards. I don’t think 100 yards for a 300 win mag (where no bones are present) mimics affects on animals

[@philiptrump8472]

How about 12G slug vs 20G slug?

[@russellgavin1820]

8.6 blackout

[@TroubleActual]

270, 300, 30-06

[@tobylam952]

If you ain’t using a 300 PRC you haven’t researched anything enough and 6.5 is just terrible nothing compares to 30 cals

[@timohyburkett614]

Just get a 270 win youll be happy

[@forkthepork]

Unless you're hunting moose, there's just no need for the 300 mag. But if you like it, go ahead.

[@NathanSmarr-gq1ym]

30-06

[@northernoutdooradventures3883]

Big bullets cant make bad shots good, but small bullets can make marginal shots bad.

[@Dmounts]

First!

[@InfamousTub]

I think you guys weighted your scale too far in favor of smaller calibers. No matter which calibers you VS each other, "shootability" will always default to the smaller caliber (in 99% of cases) trajectory/windage/elevation will almost always favor the smaller caliber as well. There should be another category that weights itself towards the larger caliber within whatever VS you're doing. Maybe split terminal performance into two distinct categories. Penetration and wound cavity. That way the larger caliber will have a fighting chance against the smaller caliber when it comes to the final tally. Because so far, what USUALLY happens with this series is the larger caliber wins terminal performance and availability, but will always loose shoot-ability and trajectory by default. Kinda acts like a handicap in favor of rounds like 6.5 which doesn't seem productive for the concept you're trying to relay. If the concept was "Best round for flat shooting" then yeah, the qualifiers are fine, but that's not exactly what you're doing. You're going through the pro's and con's and seeing which ones threshold into each pro or con outweighs the counter. Anyway, just my opinion.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Youre so close to getting it... 😁

[@phobiarg]

I think it kind of shows that you don't need the big magnums for 95% of cases. Big belted magnums are a penis extension for "manly men",, funnily enough much like how F350s are...

[@hunterthompson6295]

It might go to show you dont always need Bigger(caliber/magnum)=better when it comes to Deer size game. Until you step into larger game like Brown bear and Moose, maybe Magnums are a bit much? Just my opinion/observations , i aint been there nor done that 😅

[@thatguyfishingben4794]

​@hunterthompson6295 it's a fact you don't need a magnum for %99 percent of shots. Bullet technology has come a long way and people have become way better shots than they used to. I used to hear that a magnum offers some forgiveness for bad shots. I've found that a bad shot is a bad shot no matter rthe caliber. Forgiveness is misleading. Shooting a lower recoiling cartridge always installs confidence. Confidence equals great shots even when your pushing the limits of what your capable off. My favorite rifle is a 6.5 creedmoor. I'm always testing new cartridges and bullets so it's been just chilling for a few years but if I had to carry one rifle to use on everything except big bear I'd pick it.

[@chadillac95]

Ryan, I'm a huge fan of barnes copper bullets as well, but curious if you have any thoughts or experiences with the copper hammer bullets?

[@jeremyjohnson3974]

Please do a comparison of 4 different types of bullets from the same cartridge. We know they work differently but never get to see them side by side. Except the 2 you show.

[@Dfleuryoutdoors]

That 6.5 power shock expansion looks just like a federal fusion.

[@Molly8247]

I agree with this. That is federal fusion in the 140 6.5 I would bet

[@hunteranderson93]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@edwardabrams4972]

The 6.5 is pure magic! At least in some peoples minds🤔😳 great cartridge as long as you us it for deer and smaller game and for target shooting! I used the 300 win mag the first year it came out because my father bought one in the pre64 Winchester and we hunted with it for 30 years! That being said I started collecting rifles about the same time and have owned and shot more rifles then most small gun stores and found the 300 win mag will do just about anything in North America with the right bullet and shooter behind it! Having been a reload for about as long it didn’t start out being one of my favorites to reload because of the short neck but it would shoot sub MOA in almost any gun when dialed in with just about any bullet!

[@brandon7079]

Hopping for some good cartridge talks for this holiday season.