119HP Stage 2 Upgrade - Harley Davidson Sport Glide m8 107!

A quick overview and thoughts on a Stage 2 Upgrade using and S&S 465 Cam on a HD Sport Glide M8 107. APL Performance Cycles Dyno tune shows 119HP after the upgrade. I am using an Arlen Ness Drift inverted Air Filter and a Rinehart 2 into 1 full system

[@maxsteele20]

When I took my Sportglide in for it's last service, I borrowed the dealers demo SportGlide with a Stage 2 torque cam in it..Holy Cow! it shifts down the road lol.... Mine is stage 1, but am seriously thinking of going to Stage 2 in the new year. :)

[@aussiemotolife347]

I think you’ll love it - I like the whole vibe of the engine too now too. I can’t quite tell how much the tune fixed the bike and how much is the cam… If you can try and get it properly tuned rather than relying on the dealers “near enough good enough” tune with no dyno.

[@vernlochtefeld1626]

Great results. I did a keep warranty build fall of 19 with my Sport Glide. SE tuner, SE Ventilator Extreme AC, SE 64 TB, S&S 2-1 with catalyst, stage 3 107 to 114. It made 118 HP. You guys did it sans a warranty but with less cubes and likely less money.

[@KrakensGarageandAdventures]

Wow! That's a huge difference in the HP. I bet it was a real shocker when you first road it home. Enjoy that beautiful Sport Glide. Eric

[@aussiemotolife347]

Yes a huge difference and I certainly think it rides like a different bike. Whether I truly trust the HP figures on the Dyno is another matter. On the surface of things it seems too high but I can see the CF adjustment factor on the dyno chart which isn't overinflated for the temperature and I have seen someone else's bike in a different state with similar numbers at a different dyno facility. S&S doesn't quote anything like that HP for this cam though - so confused about it.

[@sasmarks1936]

I absolutely love the sport glide it's georgous with and without saddles 👌👍

[@aussiemotolife347]

Thank you! I sometimes pop down to the garage just for a look :-)

[@sasmarks1936]

@@aussiemotolife347 mate I can't blame you for that lol👍 just enjoy

[@anthonymasluk2295]

You have a lovely bike sounds like you have a great outcome just ride it and enjoy the many thousands of miles you can put on it

[@Kaegis]

I just got the S&S465 cam & love it

[@RandysRides]

Yup...that "hold on" feeling is awesome. First felt that on a Yammy 1200 back in the day. Lean in and go. lol.

[@aussiemotolife347]

I was really enjoying the extra oomph and the gratuitous noise… Thanks for watching Randy - I was AWOL for a while. I thought I’d stop doing vids but I guess I’ll do a few from time to time.

[@timfinning]

That's awesome mate sounds great 👍 S n S are the best cams, Happy Christmas.

[@aussiemotolife347]

Thanks Tim! - Merry Christmas to you and yours too Tim ☺

[@RodKrisBisdakMotovlog0627]

That's really cool and interesting vidz my friend. RIDE SAFE ALWAYS brother 🙏😊☝️💯

[@davidgilding3549]

Great cam, I have it on my Sport Glide. Did you vent the crankcase ? I have a Feuling vented dipstick that passes through a one way valve and into a T piece. From the T piece one line goes into the crankcase side of the transmission top cover ( this way any oil forced out of the dipstick can return ) the other line goes up to a small air filter just behind the rear cylinder exhaust ( the idea of it being here is any air drawn in when running will be warm to prevent condensation) I have never had any of the problems with oil in the filter with this set-up ! Not had it on a Dyno yet but it sure goes 😁 !

[@aussiemotolife347]

G'day David - I haven't had any problem with oil in the air filter and I have been watching for it. I've done about 5000kms however only maybe 500 with the new cam. Mine is a 2022 model and I know the later models (post 2020?) had a different oil pump. I think they changed the bias on the oil pump scavenging to 50:50 from the cam cover to the crankcase vs 60:40 in the older pump. Don't quote me on that - that's just from memory. Re: the cam I'm very happy with and it pulls hard - but it's very useable power and is still a pleasure to ride right through the rev range. I can't say the same for the tune I had on my Stage 1 setup - pretty sure that was all because of poor tuning.

[@davidgilding3549]

@@aussiemotolife347 Hi, thanks for the quick reply, my bike is a 2018 but when the new cam was fitted I also had the latest oil pump upgrade. Maybe I didn't need to worry about the crank pressure ! Now I want to get it on a Dyno !

[@aussiemotolife347]

@@davidgilding3549 if you do get it Dyno tuned I’d be fascinated to know what your figures are. I think perhaps my longish 2-1 exhaust helps a bit though.

[@whatsstefon]

That’s a great result. Those M8 engines might not have ye old character of Harley’s gone by. But for an air cooled, pushrod driven motor, they respond really well to some basic modifications. Have you noticed any additional heat from the horsepower and torque increase?

[@aussiemotolife347]

No additional heat. I just worked out my economy for the full tank since I did it and it was 5.35L/100km vs 5.25L/100km @ stage 1. So the economy hasn't seemingly changed much which I think is good. I'll monitor the next tank as well. I mostly wanted to see if it was running very lean or rich.

[@whatsstefon]

@@aussiemotolife347 very nice👍 👍

[@SlyBurrito360]

465 cam and what? Intake manifold Bored out heads? I wish for more information as to do the same 🎩☕️

[@RoadsOfOz]

Sounds great. I bet you noticed a difference in acceleration from standard.

[@aussiemotolife347]

Absolutely Matt - it pulls and sounds so much nicer. I’m not sure how much the proper tune helped and how much is the cam It’s all far more linear now and it makes the bike more manageable because it was so sensitive at the get go before it would shoot you across the road if you weren’t careful… then it was a bit gutless in the mid range… so just badly throttle mapped. Now I’m very happy - so a nice Chrissy present.

[@Tom-ck8hg]

The whole thing is highly dubious. A 107 cui machine has is stock maybe 76 hp at the rear wheel. There are enough videos about this. With Stage 1 to 102 hp. Never! With Stage 2 to 119 hp ? Nonsense, do not be fooled. It iSt still a 107 cui machine. I have a tuner built 117 cui engine in the FatBob. Used to be 114 cui. The now has 112 hp at the rear wheel.

[@leehan73]

Your dyno result shows the stage 1 as 102 bhp which id say is impossible with just an exhaust and filter. id be extremely skeptical of these results.

[@michaelthompson7001]

I completely agree, I have a 2021 Sportglide with a Star Racing 30 / 30 cam and a long 2 into 1 exhaust, dyno tuned with a Powervision tuner, 120 hp is a high number and 102 with stage 1 is impossible to believe, how would you jump 20 HP with an exhaust and new A / C?

[@HudsonMoto]

Sounds awesome. Stage 2 on a softail it probably rips hard.

[@aussiemotolife347]

It is an awful lot better than when it was stock. I've never ridden a touring model but yeah it's 90kg or so lighter so it has to make quite a difference.

[@bryonmartin8463]

I am curious what your mileage is like now. I have a 2018 deluxe with just the stage 2 torque cam, gas mileage went down by about 7mpg, ~43 mpg. I like the 119 upgrade, but I don’t want to stop every hundred miles to fill up.

[@andrewhincks4087]

I'm still getting about 5.25L/100km which is no different to stock - I think the milage is dependent on how it's tuned because I'm by no means easy on the throttle - although I don't do a lot of city riding in heavy traffic.

[@andrewhincks4087]

Incidentally I kept a spreadsheet of my economy and that would be an average of about 10 fill ups so it's very accurate.

[@PiersNorman]

Hey guys, love the bike - may I ask, what pipe, bars & risers and what seat do you have fitted please? Looks just great and sounds superb!

[@aussiemotolife347]

Reinhart 2 into 1, Stock Bars, 4" pullback risers and a Saddlemen Renegade LS Seat. Thanks mate.

[@PiersNorman]

@@aussiemotolife347 Thank you so much - super helpful! Have subscribed 🙂

[@ninoxsr8938]

What did you do for stage 1? And how many hp did you have then? I can't believe you get 120 hp with a stage 2... Those are the official figures for a stage 4, man!

[@aussiemotolife347]

Stage 1 figures are the first pass of the dyno chart. I was pretty sceptical myself. I have actuall found another person with similar figures withe the same cam at a different dyno facility in a different state so make of that what you will. I can see their adjust figure on the dyno chart and it seems reasonable ie. for the temperature on the day. What did I have at stage 1… a Rinehart 2 into 1, a maximus tuner and an Arlen Ness Drift inverted air filter… I can tell you that the bike really is a different animal now and a real pleasure to ride right through to about 4750 rpm where I normally call it quits out of mechanical sympathy. It is a push rod engine after all.

[@deanminer3493]

How did you get those number's with just a stage two.

[@monsride]

guys what's your take on doing a stage 2 on a Deluxe M8 with fishtails? I've been told it's not worth it as fishtails gives you less performance?

[@davidclarke7281]

When U put 124 kit in it 130hp 150 TQ

[@streetsean]

Sounds awesome! What made you gou with the 465?

[@aussiemotolife347]

Thanks Sean! On a 107 some people find the 475 a little wanting when you overtake at highway speeds without dropping down a gear. The 465 makes most of its power from 2500 onwards and the 475 comes on later. Mostly I want the power where I mostly use it. The power from the 465 is still better at every point after 2500 anyway if you look at the torque curve. Also cams with more aggressive lobes are harder on the engine in terms of longevity and the 465 isn’t supposed to be too bad for the engine in terms of idle sound I think it still sounds great.

[@aussiemotolife347]

Merry Christmas to you and yours too Sean! It’s what we call Boxing Day here - the day after Christmas. We are ahead of you guys due to the timezones.

[@streetsean]

@Aussie Moto Life hope you had a great Christmas with the family!!!! Awesome explanation! I was thinking about doing the cam and I heard the guy from S&S talk about the 465 being his favorite for the exact reasons you gave. You and I have similar riding styles I think so I would get the 465 for sure. Now I just need to decide whether I take it to someone or whether I'm foolish enough to try it myself...haha... all the best in the New Year!

[@aussiemotolife347]

Merry Christmas Sean - was boxing day here too. A public holiday. Canada and Australia have a lot in common. Basically we are hot Canada here.

[@speedy58859]

How high do you rev it with this cam?

[@aussiemotolife347]

Typically about 2300 -2600 is a sweet spot I like to sit in. I don't generally take it much past 4500 rpm even when I'm being moderately aggressive. 3000-4500 to overtake if I'm gunning it. It'd be very rare to go up to 5000 for me. It's a push rod bike - I don't like thrashing it that much.

[@anthonymasluk2295]

Dyno numbers can be fudged too

[@aussiemotolife347]

I have the dyno sheet from another guy who his tuned at a different tuning facility in a different state that also had the same figures and the same cam. A slightly different curve because obviously he had a different 2 into 1 muffler. Make of that what you will... I was a little sceptical myself initially but that did give me pause... I was discussing that issue with a guy on the Australia/NZ Sport Glide forum on Facebook and he showed me his dyno sheet. Re: the tune for life thing... in theory I agree with you but when you think about it the stock tune doesn't change but the ECU adapts a little I believe.

[@anthonymasluk2295]

Well then you got the correct tune miles and smiles now buddy

[@anthonymasluk2295]

But I don’t think you can tune an engine once for life lol

[@ww-bn3xt]

slow now slow just a little faster

[@aussiemotolife347]

At legal speeds it’s really not that slow anymore. The rear wheel will slip come out of a corner when you put the power down. This is my first Harley and I still have a Triumph street Triple RS 765 and have had a BMW k1300s and many other Sports Bikes. The Harley is a cruiser - not a canyon carver but it’s still no slouch - it has enormous torque even if it’s stupidly heavy.

[@jasonisdn]

@@aussiemotolife347 Same here, I still have the S1000RR but the Harley is for long distances. Now that you have given the results of that cam (and supporting mods) and compared yours to others, you are making me look into the same setup. Thanks for the info, keep it shiny side up!

[@aussiemotolife347]

@@jasonisdn For a little while I thought about the S1000RR (although I have the lego version haha). Beautiful bike and goes like a rocket. Maybe in five years or so when I go to replace the STRS765 - although that’s already more than I need on the road 🙂 Shiny side up!