12" VS 15" SUBWOOFER | MYTH BUSTED

[@rashad5286]

Going from 2 12's in a custom b'ox to 2 15's in a custom box in my case was a massive difference. The lows are way nastier and these 15's broke a weld on my roof lmao.

[@herlemaggard69]

You know damn well that the 12s loosened it up forem first 🙃

[@Abowe3404]

Crazy that my 10’s play nasty 18hz tones

[@DjR3aper]

What kind of car you got?

[@rashad5286]

@@herlemaggard69 They was alright tbh LOL

[@rashad5286]

@@DjR3aper 2 15s in a dodge nitro

[@Mr.Robert1]

When I first got involved with car audio it was because of people that I knew were driving around with systems that had woofers amplifiers crossovers and sound that I never heard in a car before. At first I started copying them, my first system had 2 twelves in a ported box with a monoblock amp. Everything else I had running off of a four Channel amplifier. Then when base became popular bigger amps more woofers things got completely out of hand it became an obsession. Came a time in my life when I realized in my opinion what kind of sound I like. In my opinion I want to be able to close my eyes and it should sound like the band is in the room with me. I'm not a bass-head anymore . I'm not looking to get it to the point where my windows are going to break where I'm going to Rattle the house for my AV system for instance. There's nothing like listening to a system that sounds like the actual band is in your listening area to me that's accurate sound. That's what I enjoy now. I know everybody goes through different stages of this Hobby.

[@Xzander.v2]

Sounds to me like you just never had a good balance😂, I got 4 15s but amped up aftermarket door speakers and a wall of 8 6x9s, all blends perfect and sounds like there’s 2 bands inside my car

[@glennmanchester5696]

I agree I want to hear all the band and all the sounds not just thump thump dont get me wrong base is what makes the sound and the sound good but the mids and highs are just as important being a hard rocker it is not about just bass and when people get in my truck and I turn it up they go wow that sounds really really good that's what I like to hear its all in proportion to the other speakers I do have a bass controller cuz some songs need a bit more or less and w the bass and treble controls on the deck as well as having the gains set correctly on the amp I can turn it all the way up w no distortion most times depends on quality of recording etc

[@mikeallen5291]

he no longer a basehead.....LMAO

[@davidaguilarg.7093]

Yea me too I had too much bass but then I changed it because I realized I liked a blend

[@Ticlmejesse]

Bass* 😂. Unless indeed smoking shit off tinfoil is what you meant to say …

[@alvanjheyliger]

Do a comparison with an 18” next. Lol for “scientific purposes” 😂

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Not a bad idea 😂

[@GetFuktPriusOwners]

That's what I have in my hatchback I would love to see that.

[@bojow8102]

For the science 🤔😏

[@Donkeyno9]

Ermuhgordz yes!

[@kiondusjackson2456]

Good idea lol

[@mikewhite4541]

Hell yeah. Finally some 15s. Man I can't wait for this series. Awesome job.

[@lilsinker]

I just did this exactly in the cab of my truck. Single EVL12 to the single EVL15. All else is the same setup. The 12 was a beast, but the 15 just Hammers the hell out of the cab. It seems to hit hard effortlessly down low, and just ruined my rearview mirror mount. Love me some Skar's!!

[@brettleisy356]

this was pretty much as expected. as DB is literally a measure of pressure, larger diaphragm will obviously make more pressure with equal power as long as the power supplied is sufficient to make full effect of the diaphragm. it's literally math and science.

[@ksavage681]

So double 12's is better than one 15.

[@zerocool6452]

@@ksavage681 Depends but in this case not really if you add another 12 of the same brand and everything and give it the same amount of power it will only be 3dB louder. For example that 35hz test with a 2nd 12 with the same amoutn will play 140.9 dB which is only .4 dB louder than one 15. May not be entirely correct depending on situations and stuff but the principle of it is.

[@godfreyofbouillon8861]

I think the both will sound equally as loud when approaching xmax. The 15 will sound louder at lower volumes due to more air cfm and larger diaphragm. The difference in loudness you may hear could be your vehicle acoustics. In some cases, the 12 will outperform the 15.

[@brettleisy356]

@@ksavage681 if ohm and voltage is equalized then splitting the wattage will not see any significant increase. this is why I mentioned equal power. to see a significant increase with the 2 12s you would have to supply them with more power OR run the wiring in parallel effectively reducing the ohm resistance. however that will be effectively increasing the power supplied (and power draw). so isn't equal anymore. also zero cool's explanation of 3 db louder isnt very clear. 3 db is a very generic assumed gain over a single speaker solution. sensitivity, max excursion, and a few other things are taken into account as well as surface area. however if you are reaching your max power output you could actually see a loss as you may not be pushing enough power to push the speakers effectively.

[@brettleisy356]

@@godfreyofbouillon8861 in the case of both speakers the Qmax is the same at 23.5mm one way. meaning the 15 will still push more air at all levels. best way I found to setting up a system is figuring budget wish wires and electrical system upgrades if within budget. then figure amount of deletable space from the cabin/trunk/hatch area (some area may not be deletable due to needs/requirements for luggage or other item stowage) , figure how much room you have for enclosures for a box/wedge or a contoured solution. SPL is fun to play with, but in reality SPQ is where most people will lean. been listening to people in their SPL trucks for 30 years going BVVVVFRT BVVVVFRT BVVVVFRT and nothing else and it just sounds horrible.

[@bubbawubba2307]

I've had systems since 1990 and I've never heard that 12s and 15s were same volume. The more displacement of cone area the louder it will be with everything else being equal

[@demonreturns4336]

But that doesn’t make sense either when you say everything else being equal Wouldn’t it require more power to move a 15 than a 12? For example if you have a small tiny car and large car…. Putting the same engine in both doesn’t mean the larger car would accelerate or have a higher top speed output than the smaller car

[@picassoimpaler3243]

@@demonreturns4336 very little difference in power needed to move it, and that's more than made up for by the increase in sensitivity from the increased cone area. So as long as the coil is the same, the change in MMS is mainly going to change the FS of the driver/where there driver is most efficient.

[@albertodalmaso8896]

Hi-fi and SPL are 2 different world ...

[@albertodalmaso8896]

The more SD (surface) more db Is a mith in car audio ... When you have 85/88db 1w SPL of efficency High soft roll ... Vs 102/106maybe 108 db 1w sensitivity , 3/4 wave surround stiff , asimetric spider (softer out/stiffer in) ... The eight space of the vehicle .... Is not true the topic of the video but Is pure entertainment

[@dipinmylip1171]

@@picassoimpaler3243 A decrease in cone area will increase response. You said that backwards as if a heavier, wider cone increases bass response when in fact it would decrease it.

[@gregblau8082]

I like that the 15 box doesn't really take up much more space. That's a big part of the decision for a daily. If space doesn't matter, 15 all the way

[@SuperSpeederCarl]

More like a space doesn’t matter get an 18 trust me

[@knightshift268]

@@SuperSpeederCarl but damn need amp,wire, upgade smh

[@aussiegruber86]

50inch

[@Valverde713]

It's actually less about the size of your sub and more about the quality of your set-up and the components you're using

[@n01928]

It's about moving air to build pressure. If you look at the cone area x xmax you get the volume of air you're moving. You're absolutely right on matching the box as well. If you go too high or low the sub won't be able to move air as efficiently needing more wattage to do the same same amount of work.A poorly sized box will absolutely kill output.

[@gamersplaygroundliquidm3th526]

true so much goes into the math of figuring the best box in real world, that it really is dependent on box size, build, design, material used, etc... back in early 2000's I had 2 JL audio W6 12s in a custom sealed box in the trunk of my 2004 Acura 3.2tl and my buddy had 2 Rockford Fosgate punch 15s in his SUV and in a homemade box. Mind u that box was not just thrown together but still those speakers could not hit you like my smaller 12s did. And the BOX is what i Believed it came down to...

[@Skydeeppearls]

I don t have experience with spl meter, but when i installed in big box with 1 subwoofer 12 inch, I imstalled another one , since low volume you geel differnce more upper freq response and more low end freq response as per my expierence

[@audiomaster]

What a great comparison. There’s a million ways to say this is a “non scientific” or incomplete test. Thing is it’s so real world, especially if you consider what most people are going to do. Thank you for making this great video. I agree with others - time for 15 v 18!

[@definitelynotak4228]

Its pretty well known that 2 subs different size, cone area will win. Imo the real "myth" that needs busting is what to do with specific box size limits. Ex. I have approx 3.5cuft of airspace, 2 4inch aero ports tuned 35hz ish. Currently have 2 12's in it. Would it be louder to have 2 10's in the same box retuned to the same 35hz or do my 12's hit louder even though the box is "small" 2 10s 3.5 cuft 2 12s 3.5 cuft Way i see it i might get better lows with the 10s but would lose peak output. Thats the test i want to see.

[@Jamez84]

My life in car audio has shown me that the box is just as important if not more important than the subs going into it. They can completely change the way a sub sounds and how it responds to different music types. Yet for SPL I've found cone size is the key, and the bigger the better, but there is a point of diminishing returns due to the limited space of the vehicle, power available, and price.

[@beezie2566]

Seen a guy with 4 mtx thunder 15s in a s10 back in the day win a spl competition in his class. Those were wal Mart subs. He was the first local guy to custom build and tune boxes. I can't remember the db but it cracked snugs all the time.

[@patsjoholm]

Yup, you got it! I remember building my first custom box, into my '89 firebird. An awesome car for loud bass, due to the back glass. But, even then, building a box from plywood (I know, laugh away) vs my second iteration in 3/4" MDF and proper math to calculate air space, I understood the physics and, from there on, made sure that my boxes were built to spec and with proper materials.

[@Trojanmangaming]

i agree with the proper enclosure specs. i went from 1 decent 15 that took up my whole trunk to 2 cheaper 12s. same amp , 12s enclosure was slightly smaller. went from 141 to 147. roughly 2500 rms to both enclosures. no burps. just music. had maybe $500 in everything

[@TimpBizkit]

@Patrick S nothing wrong with plywood, although you do have to design and measure any box. Before i knew about port tuning I just stuck a random cardboard tube in. Found out later in hornresp I'd tuned to 11Hz haha. My 40 Hz 3/8" plywood box turned out fine and doesn't flex due to the bracing. I could probably build a decent box with 1/4" ply but would have to brace the thing like a dang model aircraft!

[@JAM-ur8tj]

Cone area is king. That's why they make 8s 10s 12s and so on. Good test💯

[@Nostagefright]

Exactly that’s why when you get bigger subs with everything being properly set up and most optimal you really realize how much easier it is for the bigger sub to get loud instead of throwing more power to the smaller subs to move that same air, it’s like this a 15 can probably do what a 12 does on 1500 watts with only 1000 watts

[@SheikhN-bible-syndrome]

No cone area is not King cone area is one of several different very important components that together create the subwoofers and if you take away any one of those components and you no longer have a working speaker so cone area is not King. However BME is a dum azz

[@scamchan]

seems to be why people double up on smaller subs to get what a larger one can do.

[@00000005547]

@@Nostagefright Yep. I had a 21" DJ subwoofer in a portable enclosure for some time. Way too big to put in a car w/o a custom molded enclosure but using it outdoors, pushing 1000wrms into it and I shit you not, it was easily louder than 2 15's pushing 2000w. Not only that but the sound quality reproduction from them is crazy good compared to car subs.

[@saltyberserker4235]

Gotta laugh at the haters that are sooo mad about someone doing something they enjoy 😉. Keep hatin, it's entertaining

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

For real!!

[@theoneandonly2421]

I’ve had X15v.2@2ohm,6000w and a Zv.5-12@4ohm,3200w. Yes that’s a big difference in power,both were in same enclosure (3.5ish cubes) just rebaffled. I must say the x15 was pretty serious. The Z was fantastic too but I think the simple cone area calculation works. More surface area is gonna win every time when compared to near equivalence.

[@ChadsLoud]

Great review, I've ran Sundown SAv2 12's & 15's, Rockford P3 12's & 15's as well as the American Bass Hawk 12's and 15's, the 15's have always played louder on identical power and sounded better. I love the 15" hawks the most

[@Titans2138]

I'm guessing the P3's were the least loud of that lineup

[@ChadsLoud]

@@Titans2138 You guessed 100% correct on that. They must have had the highest sensitivity of the bunch because they would be the loudest on small power, but they hit a hard wall so fast they just can't take more power like the Sundown and American Bass can, when RF says 600-750w RMS they mean that quite literally, I almost smoked coils not clipping sending around 1kw clean to it which means they were likely clamping 600-800w each and it was too much. The Sundown SA15v2 took more power and could play longer, but whenever the coil was far out of the gap it would get so hot, the SA lineup doesn't like digging below port tuning much at all, same thing - heat, heat, heat. The American Bass Hawks I'm sending about 1,200w each and I run it at a soft clip tuned to 7.5db overlap with DD-1+, and they are just screaming for more power. They just flex and flex, make so much fucking noise the SA15's metered at 144.2 with less power so I'm sure these are closer to the 150db mark, don't have a meter to test it. They never get that hot, they get warm, but I'm never smelling voice coil adhesive or anything like that like I would with the SA and P3. The Hawks from AB seem to handle their true 1,500w RMS rating and for like $215 how the hell can you go wrong? Sundown's equivalent U15 is OVER $400!!! Identical specs!

[@Titans2138]

@@ChadsLoud thanks for the info, i'd prob never get sundown because their subs look weird when i graph them in bassboxpro, seems like they're spl subs only good at one frequency. i might check out american bass if I ever get different subs I used to have P2's and they were quiet as hell.I have 3 VXF 15's now so unless I cook them I don't have much of a reason to upgrade. On like 4800 watts. That's before box rise though.

[@camerondunham5559]

Hope you can answer this but will it be overpowering the music with a 15 inch like I ain’t trynna blow my windows out just want a good mix of sound and bass

[@miata350]

Drinking game: take a shot every time he says "guys"

[@snipervision1]

First that was a great video. For those who don’t understand how perceived volume vs decibels compare, every +3db is twice as loud when measured by a professional meter but the human ear requires +10db. Therefore, +3db on the meter will sound like 33% louder by the human ear on average. Please remember all ears are different and that is why you use a professional db meter. Cheers!

[@Two_chair_Lynn]

and the ear is more and less sensitive to different frequencies

[@AWD_DSM_FTW]

Kinda. Sound measured in dB is logarithmic so it's not linear enough to say 3dB is 33% of 10dB. The 3dB = double SPL 10dB = double perceived loudness is accurate

[@emmet7208]

Incorrect, 3dB is a perceivable difference in loudness and it takes a doubling of power to achieve it. But yes 10dB is considered twice as loud to the human ear.

[@jrossman4703]

For SPL one 12 vs one 15, cone area will always be king. But the King doesn't always have to be bigger. Try four 12s against two 15s. The scenarios are endless, it's always going to be cone area no matter what the size.

[@RajunCajun1]

I would like to see 2 8" vs. 1 15"! Great job! I enjoyed this!

[@chadcoady9025]

One 15 blows away two 8s. An 8 has a cone area of about 200 sq.cm. where a 15 has a cone area of about 850 sq.cm. So 400 vs 850. No match.

[@hunkkwoizer6653]

hey man which taramps 1 channel is good for 1500-2000w approx. at 2-ohm clean power coz options are too many

[@holeshotinspectionllc2412]

Cone area is king, my Crossfire xt3 18's slap🤙

[@trevorsanchez2470]

It also depends on the amp hooked up to the sub and other factors. My friend had a 15 inch sub woofer. I had 2 12 inch subwoofers. My 12s were louder than his 15. Just 1 if my 12s was louder than his 15.

[@brianmweele6460]

😢yes it depends on the make of the sub coz it happened to me too

[@mildtowildrc7343]

Love seeing you guys keeping the industry alive and shakin things up👍I used to do the same thing and you will be amazed at what you find😎Car Audio was the most fun I have had and at 54 yrs old I have subs in all my rides and toys ❤️Can’t even have a ride without a system in it 😁

[@Grizzleback07]

Once a basshead, always a basshead. 👍

[@jvcjbl]

I have a question... I competed professionally doing DB drag races in the early 2000s. SPL measurements were taken off the a-pillar around 6" from it with a windshield mounted mic. Why aren't you measuring in the "sanctioned" way?

[@PShizzzle]

Dope video bro! Once I heard 15s I never went back to 12s 🔊😎

[@johnnydayton1431]

Same if anything im gonna add 1 12 with my 2 15s or vice versa

[@Nostagefright]

Yeaa it’s like once you get exposed to dat raw, effortlessly loud and powerful bass 15s make its over with for anything smaller unless they absolutely trump or match the 15’s parameters and what not

[@jshcarmonakc]

I love my 2 nsv3 10s

[@Hammerback0]

So, do 18s hit much harder than 15s?

[@Nostagefright]

@@Hammerback0 my goodness are you people on here trolling or something? Because I really don’t want to go off on somebody I don’t even know but it’s painfully frustrating to see you guys struggling with this basic ass information this is totally bizarre… in what world did 15s ever hit harder than 18s with ALLLLLLLL factors being equal and properly set up and don’t try to compare some shitty ass 18s to some very very good 15s because that’s not fair, if everything is done right in any setup cone area usually wins most of the time, that is until the lower cone area user has a higher fuckload of power to beat the more cone area user that’s the only instance where the less cone area user wins

[@rodolfosotelo5929]

Love the look on that Adire Audio! I would love to see a video of the XBL^2 subwoofer they have like the Brahma.

[@XxPANCAKExX]

I had a threatresub 18 inch @8ohm and a sundiwn audio sav2 12 @1ohm, the 18 got 105db at 1156w at 40hz, the 12 got a 137db at 40hz with 1230w.... 18 was single coiland 18 years old 12 was a dual coil fresh from sundown release lastyear? The 18 still pumps in the lounge room and the 12 gets 3000W now havent retested them yet

[@BASSstarlet]

Unfortunately or fortunately, the box is many times more important than the speaker itself. This has been realized by those who change boxes very often, keeping the same subwoofers. I think you should keep some reference speakers and start trying different boxes (small, medium, large) so that even the last one understands how important a good box is.

[@TheCgOrion]

There does tend to be an ideal volume for each sub. Obviously ported or sealed changes those figures.

[@beardedforlife3740]

It's not just the volume of the enclosure but also what type of enclosure you are using

[@fiddynutz68]

I had this crazy bandpass box for a single 8 years and years ago, took up a whole truck and it outperformed a lot of dual 10's and 12's with whatever crappy speaker you put in it.

[@white3rdleg850]

​@@fiddynutz68ugh bandpass always sounds awful imo. you might have been louder but you probably sounded like complete garbage compared to the others.

[@Jayz809]

Hi parker , im looking into getting a 12” or 15” loaded skar evl kit with box included but i wanna get taramps amp and not skar amp , eny idea which model taramp should i get for 12” and 15” skar evl ? Thank you parker and great content 🙂

[@ItsDevlcon]

I'd say, having had a 15 for a while now and running 12s prior, the 15s are definitely lower and louder, however, the 12s you can typically fit TWO in the same space you've got one 15 where as you might not be able to get two 15s in that space. I'm running 1 15 in my camry, perfection tbh. Nice low lows. Thumps really good. Just, I don't have enough power to keep it consistent so I play it around 65% volume most of the time.

[@Nzbass-head1995]

Any demos

[@demonic3923]

I have 2 15in sundowns in my honda and trust me it’s not worth it🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this thing is falling apart review mirror fell off, my head liner has fallen

[@theejoeylee]

@@demonic3923 I have 2 8s in my civic and the headliner is falling down! & they are CHEAP Skar IX 8s !

[@bleachstain9785]

Sundown SA12 in 3.4 cubes tuned to 33Hz, on a CT Sounds CT2000.1D in my Acura Legend. Makes every body panel do the wobble.

[@anxietytookover5032]

Your system can make it to 65%?😂i wish

[@Flackdiesel889]

I just bought a 2018 Durango. Want to upgrade the system. I love bass but mainly listen to electronic, rock, and country bluegrass. If you had $2k to spend, what would you go with?

[@CB-kt2so]

Awesome comparison. Wish there were more vids like this.

[@CODACAIN76]

Would I be able to install the Skar single 18” subwoofer box in a 15.3 ft³ trunk? 2020 kia forte GT line 😮

[@dynagroove1.020]

I have subs all different sizes from 3”- 12”. I just purchased my first 2x15” Dayton Audio Max X. Can’t wait to get stupid!!!

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

You will love it!!

[@theejoeylee]

What kind of air space does that Dayton 15 need? Probably better SQ than my Skar subs

[@dynagroove1.020]

Well to keep inexpensive at this point I bought 2 sealed 2.2 boxes from hificonectons. Which is the exact sq ft. I’ll put some Polly fill as well.

[@dynagroove1.020]

I really like skar , but I’m more of a Dayton Audio guy.

[@kristopherguilbault5428]

What about 2-15s compared to 1-18 🤔 or 2-12s to 1-15

[@amanbungay]

How about doing a 2 12's vs single 15? Same total RMS power of the subs.

[@Nostagefright]

If everything is for both set ups are proper the 12s will take the cake UNLESS the 1 15 is a insanely powerful driver other than that it won’t move as much as 2 12s, now 2 15s! That’s extremely louder than 2 12s easily the 12s don’t stand a chance against 2 15s

[@cuttabutter5050]

@@Nostagefright how about two 10s vs one 15?

[@bailey2517]

@@cuttabutter5050 I think 2 10s would be roughly the same volume as 1 15. Possibly a little louder but maybe not

[@SheikhN-bible-syndrome]

@@cuttabutter5050 it would be close but most likely the 2 10's would win because if the test was balls to the wall then the 15 can only take so much power and only have so much motor force likewise the same issue with the 10's except having 2 motors that means that you might be able to get 2 10's that combined will have better power handling and motor force, might not be much but every little bit count. This is why usually 4 12's will walk all over 1 18 or even 1 21" because of 1 motor vs 4 the 1 just can't out perform 4 especially if you put the same motor on the 12's that's on the 18 lol then they will kill that 1 18 lol

[@cuttabutter5050]

@@SheikhN-bible-syndrome i have both, my 2 10s in a custom box hit lows very well and loud, but i feel the 15 hits more frequencies and overall hits a harder. The 10s bottom out way easier than the single 15

[@Titans2138]

i've wanted a bass meter for so long but I just can't justify the price. New amp or spl labs meter? I have to go with the amp since the meter will get old in 5 minutes and I've already experimented with a bunch of different setups. I'm pretty happy with what I have now, 3 skarVXF 15's

[@moebass2950]

Can you do a comparison with the 12 vs 15 skar vxf subs

[@coreyspencer993]

Parker great job on explaining it to someone who need it. Now my question is I have 2 Skar 15 vxf sudwoofer and wondering what amp would you recommend? Thinking about the taramp 5k or 3k. And I have 6 6x9 4 6x5 set of super tweeters what is the recommended amp for that?

[@JynXHDZz]

I have 2 12s that sound like 15s. Ppl always ask me what i got since it sounds good it's just really a budget set-up in a "custom prefab" box tuned to 34. Really depends on what you listen to and what you're looking for. But i say it's mainly how the enclosure is made.

[@TripleOgTripleOgTriple]

Your 12s sound like 12s. The box plays a bigger factor than anything else

[@kswis]

I rav a couple EVLs a while back. They took the power and never blew but they got stinky with that black coil glue, the vxf's def have a soft spot in my soul they were great subs that still live, in a box lol

[@RyanBassForLife]

Next expensive sub you need to try is a 15" American Bass Godfather series.

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

I’d love to try one sometime!

[@RyanBassForLife]

@@ParkerTheBasshead Thanks Parker I would appreciate it. I got the 18" AB Godfather but had the coil hit the bottom of the motor at very low frequencies. Now at 32hz it was way louder than my Soundqubed HDX3 subwoofers. I did a review on my 18" AB Godfather sub you can do a review on it as well. I love the gloss white basket they put on it.

[@thomasmclean2211]

This is officially my favorite channel

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Means a lot man!!!

[@CrazyWillification]

Hey Parker. This is so awesome. Thank you so much for answering this for me on a head to head. Now I wonder if the same power is better or worse on a under powered sub vs running rated power. Thanks for the awesome content.

[@skippy710]

I bet the sub playing at rated power would be louder than the sub at underpowered

[@pavel1809]

here is my question i have a about 10'' speaker JL audio i m thinking to used the 250 w Amplifier but i m not sure what amplifier i should used for it and what wire kit?

[@milgre8127]

I've learned a lot from watching your videos, thank you and keep em coming 💯👍

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Good to hear man!!

[@HighVybeTribe]

Video Started with American bass 15 and then switched to the Skar later on . How'd the AB do for this test ?🤔

[@jshcarmonakc]

I always went with 8s 10s and 12s I had a single powerful NSV3 12" and FI team series 12 on a 5k and 6k amp it was awesome. Finally I decided to change and sell the subs which I used to buy 2 NSV3 10s left it on the deaf bounce 6k and my god it's unbelievable amount of Bass just 2 10s can do. I just don't have the electricals for a bigger amp my electrical is stable with the 6k. I'm sure happy with the new setup.

[@LouisMays-ty5dl]

My 12 ran good for months all of a sudden it started popping and the amp light keeps turning red wished i knew whats going on and how 2 fix it. The 12 did work 4 a while tonight it did sound good 4 a while

[@thaillest30]

Love the test. And definitely a fan of Skar products. I think Skar is what MTX used to be 20+ years ago..at least in my opinion. Pretty would come down to how much space I'm willing to sacrifice If I'm go with the 18. All in all dope test.

[@Hammerback0]

Having a sale on SKAR 18s now, 129 for three sub, around 300 for sub in box

[@ksavage681]

@@Hammerback0 Just got dual 12 MTX with sealed box for 140.00.

[@administratorperson3272]

ima do 2 sdr 18 d2 sealed on 2 mtx 2300's

[@CajunReaper95]

I remember the 22 inch jack hammers I wanted one so bad growing up!

[@glisupport943]

I love the comparo. I have been out of the game for years now. When I used to compete in DB drags they always had the DB meter on the windshield. Why are you doing it on the floor?

[@jtpernet1876]

I like the 15

[@josephkey2979]

Really need help just sold my sundown x12 in a gatley audio 2.75 enclosure. I need more cone area going to two 12's. im running a apex cab 22 amp with 3 optima yellow tops and 200 amp alternator. I need to decide between 2 sundown sa 12 classics or 2 deafbonce Apocalypse DB-SA252 D1's, or even a set of DB-272 d1's. Any help on what to choose would be awesome.

[@MikeAnnunziato]

When you hit that 143 it was noticeably louder even on my phone, I have always been more for 15s but I did have some Orion Xtr pro 12s dual 2s years ago and those thing slammed hard

[@Jordancade2010]

Hey Parker, should I get a EVL-12 or EVL-10 Does a 12” make a difference than a 10”

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

I’d definitely get a 12 if you can!

[@Jordancade2010]

@@ParkerTheBasshead Will do Thanks!

[@GTILOUD]

Cone area is king 2 15s is going to be louder than 2 12s but if you’re trying to stuff as many woofers in as you can a 12” that’s ideal air space is 1.8 compared to a 15” 3.0 you can fit more 12s than 15s. Eight 15s in 24cubes or 12 12” in less space and 24” of more cone area.

[@lancestephenson9375]

Definitely want to see with the 18

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

I just might have to do it!

[@terrygreen6088]

im pretty stoned right now so correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure every 3 db is a doubling in sound or source so the thing i find very intresting is that the 15 is on 143.8 db at 45 hz this is a little bit over a 3 db difference so that means you need a dual 12 to keep up with the 15 wich would mean you need to run double 12 at 6700 watts to get the same result as the 15 thats only running on 3800 watts

[@craig1474]

This is interesting. You would expect the 15 to be louder for a given Xmax, but it takes more power to move the larger cone…. 🤔 lows are better, but I think 12’s are good enough for me.

[@picassoimpaler3243]

It doesn't take that much more power, if all other perimeters were equal. The MMS of the 15 is higher, but that is mainly going to change the drivers FS and where it is efficient. It's not enough to change the motor force needed by much. By the time you change the back pressure of the box by making it larger, it's not much of a change in power needed at all.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Every 3db is a doubling in audible volume. Every 3 db also needs a doubling in watts. So if you are doing 127db at 250 watts, you should get around 130db at 500watts and 133 at 1000watts. 136db at 2000watts etc.

[@murrayshekelberg9754]

Good stuff. I think the technology has advanced so much that many of the old assumptions no longer hold true and some were never true to begin with. I have heard some 8s that made my jaw drop. Also, commented on the fb video for the contest. Actually saving up for a replacement after my truck was broken in to and would love to win. Anyway, keep up the good work. We need more stuff like this to weed out the fact from fiction.

[@foundthebleach487]

I went from 2 Skar SVR12’s to 2 CT Sounds Meso 8’s and they hit lower and louder.

[@MichaelJohnson-je2vo]

The smaller the sub the better they sound and you're right about the technology they're making it so small subs can really take some power these days which really makes their performance amazing

[@MichaelJohnson-je2vo]

The bigger the sub the more you fill it but large subs take a large amount of space and it can be very difficult to tune a box that large depending on the vehicle the enclosure is in

[@MichaelJohnson-je2vo]

This makes it more difficult to make larger subs 15s it up musical like smaller subs but it can be done

[@foundthebleach487]

@@MichaelJohnson-je2vo I’d still personally run a single 15 over 2 8’s though even with space in mind.

[@The4x4manonbroke]

My understanding was in decibels a 12 might be slightly louder as it can move quicker, but obviously a 15 can move kore air and hence makes more sound pressure

[@HopsAndLead]

Never owned a 15 but I'm thinking I should have owned a few in my life lol. Put a Skar 1200.1 amp and a loaded 12" Skar sub box in my sons Trail Blazer. Once again....Should have got him a 15" lol

[@Raymo2u]

If you have the SDR sub, swap it out for a SVR or DDX series from Skar. You will thank me later.

[@dorianbaltazar4643]

I have 2 older type Rockford p3 on a mono Block 2000 watts,sounds ok but would like tips on how to make it sounds better ..... I'm from Belize City .....

[@adamthomas1348]

The first time i put 2 15s in my ride, it slapped harder than my usual 2 10s or 2 12s.

[@franktedeschi5331]

Hello my son had a custom audio system put into his 2010 Hyundai genesis coupe. We feel like it sounds horrible. If you have time could I send you an Sparks speaker specs and box size and maybe you can lead us in the right direction of where the belt went wrong so we could try to correct it.

[@BassMaann]

I switched from 2 12's to a massive single 10" and i prefer the single 10" hits alot harder in my opinion

[@tranquilityaphelion8144]

12s probably couldn’t breathe

[@BassMaann]

@@tranquilityaphelion8144 Plently of cabin space in my explorer. the 12's did come in a prefab box so that could have been an issue. also the 12's were just some baby kickers lol

[@patsjoholm]

It's all about what you listen to. I prefer 10s as well, more punchy bass than muddy. I'm not all about SPL, but quality nowadays.

[@PayneWewton]

​@@tranquilityaphelion8144Wrong.

[@herus6672]

The reason why 12" was taking more wattage is because its small and coil heated up faster it had to work more than the 15" . Bigger the sub less torture to the amp and sub

[@jarrodferguson8964]

Awesome video bro love the content 🤘🏻. I’ve been debating on going to two 15’s to replace my two 12’s. Now this really has me thinking

[@chrismcbride4839]

I just installed 2 12inch rockford t1d2s a week ago. Now I want the sundown 15s. Ffs. Lol

[@jarrodferguson8964]

@@chrismcbride4839 so I went with one sundown xv2 15 and bass wise it blows my two two 12’s out of the water. But music wise the 12’s win hands down

[@demonreturns4336]

Why do the 2 - 12s win over the 1 - 15 for music?

[@jarrodferguson8964]

@@demonreturns4336 the 12’s were a lot punchier than the 15, now I have two xv2 15’s and they are flat nasty. But 12’s will always be my favorite

[@fishrrelaxing9361]

What’s funny is all the skar/dc/ab fan boys who hate on kicker.. yet the comp r did exactly the same as the evl 12 with this same test lol.. only kicker does it on less power.. one needs massive electrical upgrades to the vehicle.. the other first the same off most modern factory electrical lol..

[@mrgoogan]

15 ftw 👍

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

💪🏼

[@YBM_MUSIK]

what series speaker are you testing. I've had the 15" SVR, and the 15" EVL AND THE 12" EVL. 15" EVL THE BEST SO FAR IN MY OPINION

[@mikepizano8041]

How about the theory that 3 10 inch subs in the correct enclosure can be louder than 2 15s

[@johnreaper3365]

can someone explain to me how you can run an amp of this degree? i assume you can’t just hook this up on a stock battery & alternator? i’m new to this.

[@johnreaper3365]

well now after paying more attention to the video i can see there is a lot done to this. what would be biggest amp that’s safe to run on stock batt & alternator

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

You really don’t want something bigger than 1000-1500 watts if on stock electrical.

[@johnreaper3365]

@@ParkerTheBasshead so it’s deeper than just what the amp says it’s rated for? it can be rated 3000watts but due to improper electrical, it’ll only push the amount of wattage that the stock wiring will allow?

[@johnreaper3365]

@@ParkerTheBasshead did you do the big 3 upgrade on the truck before installing the new big boy alternators?

[@TheOrigonalTiny]

like I said on the FB post idk if im supposed to comment here or there but i did booth so take that lolol i just blew my sub so I could really use a replacement!!

[@fusiondensity3287]

Buy a replacement sub

[@TheOrigonalTiny]

@@fusiondensity3287 🤦‍♂️ oh man what a great idea! Did you come up with that that all by yourself!? 🤣😂🤣😂🙃 I plan on doing just that! But something to get my bass back till i drop 1200 on a sub would be pretty cool especially if its a gift! Stop being a hater and negative person you might make more friends that way!

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Dang man always a bad day when you blow a sub!! Just part of the game

[@fusiondensity3287]

@@TheOrigonalTiny stop being a begger. Nobody feels sorry for you. Get a job and buy your own sub or just listen to some ear buds from Walmart if you can afford that

[@TheOrigonalTiny]

I HAD an EVL 15 in a 6th order on a Smart 3

[@dajaundrewery7739]

I love the video it helped me out a lot. I have this same 15s but I have a audio pipe 3K on them and I wanna go with more Watts will 8k or 10k be to much for them???

[@twinturbotony93]

Have you ever used an audiocontrol epicenter in dash? It has an spl meter built into it. I just wonder how accurate it is. I've gotten it to measure well over 150 in my car.

[@garhwalidude]

as far as i learned in electronics engineering for every 3 db gain sound output gets doubled so that 3db gain at 45hz was dope, great testing

[@chrisalvarez2645]

In your opinion what is the better sub of skar ZVX or what other one. Me I think the ZVX

[@k20aef8]

I got dd 9500 12s and 9500 15s the 15 are louder at lower tunes because they move more air but bring the frequency up and the 12s will be louder because they can move faster with less resistance in air.. both are dual 2ohm wired to 1ohm powered by kicker zx 2500.1s with birth sheets in the 2700watt rms range.. other factors is the cabin size of your car and resonated frequency at witch all things vibrate.. ie a 125lb girls clit will vibrate at 33hertz. Little tip for you sound guys..

[@fernandolaboy5279]

Hey i have 2 skars sdr d2 dual coil 2ohm on a 3k tara bass Im having problem.tunning them rigth if u can help me.please please😊

[@Joe_1776]

while cone area is generally king, motor force is also a factor. which is why we see people rocking 8" subs sounding like their bumping 12 or 15s, cause them 8s have bigger motor force then generic cheap 12,15 and 18s with mini magnets. box size is also a huge factor.

[@theejoeylee]

Should compare a pair of 8s to a 12 of the same model. Close in cone area.

[@Mr.Robert1]

I just realized that I didn't give the name of the channel that I'm recommending I gave the name of rather nickname of the person that runs it .The name of the channel is (Williston audio labs). You really want to learn and see different amplifiers being compared and explained why and how they function I recommend highly watching Big D's Channel. not only is he giving the truth and facts as well as specifications for people that are into that he's also very entertaining makes it a pleasure to watch has a good sense of humor he also gets a hold of a lot of old school equipment hooks it up to his Dino and compares to the new stuff that's on the market highly recommended for the newbies that want to learn something sorry Parker.

[@kevincharles1983]

I have a 1st gen sequoia. 2 12s and a 2k amplifier. To cool my amp(I live in Texas) I ran a tube from my rear floor ac to the amplifier. One touch of a button and I got cool ac air directly to the amplifier

[@ParkerTheBasshead]

Dude that is awesome!!

[@kevincharles1983]

@@ParkerTheBasshead I had seen someone talk about using their ac and was lucky to have that rear floor ac vent

[@donburshaw6505]

Put both box's in on same power and see if you get more db with same power and more cone area? And if the peaks are the same or if they compliment each other at different hertz ect.

[@geraldmartinez6867]

Hey boss i saw in ur older vids u were running the skar rp 2000.d1 i was wondering what ur thought's were on its performance?

[@xl_beat_ux7055]

Can you test a JL audio w7

[@pawelpablo898]

Set same power and switch speakers, then you gonna get which one is more efficient, or same speaker and different box volume to check optimal displacement of air mass

[@cultivationplus6719]

More cone area is typically louder. Not always but assuming both subs are the same, and the enclosures are exactly to spec and tuned identical.. the 15 is almost always going to be louder than a 12

[@NXT_LVL]

Do you have the amps to push them? What frequencies do they operate at? Weve become so focused on "loud" car stereos and car exhaust, we lost the whole point... does it actually sound good? Quality over quantity, it does magical things. I have yet to find a 10-12" sub that rivals the 8" sub that came in my Logitech Z2300 computer speakers. 200W RMS; the Sub takes up 120W of that... find me a cheap small sub that performs at 20-32hz for under $100. Thats a legit brand and not some cheap Chinese knockoff

[@mauryamckendrick5446]

Those Taramps are no joke!!!! I know it was just quick blerps but witch sub sounded the best to your calibrated ears do you think? I have seen high readings on some meters but it didn't sound all that great in person. Just wondering, love your videos though!!

[@HebuTheLoneWolf]

i dunno about being any louder but what i have heard is that smaller sub is more responsive when music has higher tempo. but then again that might have been true over 20 years ago

[@brandydustin2055]

"Because I enjoy it" love that comment bro.

[@jonsumler901]

I need help in the south carolina area the find out whats wrong with my amps and if they are fixible

[@techwiz2410]

What sub is that in your video with the orange basket!! I'm very interested to know!! Love the wide coil on it!!!!! Great video keep it up!!

[@tracyneighbors7059]

What's a Good Loud Reasonable system for a 2006 Dodge Charger? Thanx

[@tim4cn759]

Parker those things are AWESOME.. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE FOR ME??? I have 2 zvx-12v2 Subwoofers and I just got a evil series 12 skar too.. and then I bought a psi star power 5000k Amplifier and a huge triple sealed concept enclosure... I would like to sell it all but I have no clue how to.. I tried mercari and the shipping wasn't available.. this stuff is all new and I have 150 feet of welding cable and copper connectors and fuses..

[@shootertxmmy9609]

What kind of amp could I run on my EVL single 15, it’s on a 1500 1D RP amp