13 Fishing Concept Z Hype??? Can it cast 100 yards?

Sometimes initial impressions don't tell the whole story. However certain things are hard to ignore. Lets discuss this hugely anticipated bearingless baitcaster and see how she throws
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[@logicalrationalfishing7481]

That chatter sound is when the spool shaft starts to hammer around inside of the loose CZBushing. First of the cast the momentum and balance keeps it "floating" almost, then as it slows the spool shaft is hammering around in there bouncing around.

[@TackleAdvisors]

+Daniel Dean that is 100% exactly my thought

[@littlegoobie]

The "floating" part you're talking about is probably the spool whine and the chatter at high speeds, then turns into a rattle as it slows down. ...like anything on a spindle that's rattling in a loose tolerance and sped up.

[@logicalrationalfishing7481]

Yes that sounds better put. In a bearing supported reel, even though the weight of the bearings doesn't really affect the spool much, they work as a tighter tolerance piece that helps translate the momentum at a much smoother, less rattling motion. Come to think of it, I am gonna tell everyone to buy them where I will have the better reels and catch more fish. I'm starting to not wanna share secrets when morons down here will eat a 5lb female during the spawn.

[@littlegoobie]

therein lies the problem of plastics. If this tolerance isn't lost in slight deformations (same reason glass lenses are optically superior to plastic eyeglass lenses - tightening frame flexes them), it is lost during physical stresses of fighting a fish which is why 99% of reels worth using have metal frames and metal drive side cover plates. and some will have metal palm side covers also.

[@logicalrationalfishing7481]

For this reason, I think the new Bantam MGL Shimano reel on the way will be awesome. Its whole body is aluminum and there isn't really a non handle sideplate, only a cover that frees the spool (closer in diameter to the spool's size, way smaller than a full sideplate). The SV103 had an aluminum sideplate and was legendary, my old Tatula Type R (big one) has an aluminum sideplate and it is extremely tough. My Zillion's and most others now only employ aluminum for the frame; both sideplate's are carbon or composite.

[@Noojtxeeg]

I really wanted to like this reel. Disappointed in 13 really. Thanks for the honest unbiased review.

[@nascar2428]

I thoroughly enjoy the candidness of your first impressions.

[@ajsyed6735]

Thanks you saved me a ton of money and your roasts in this vid were hilarious.

[@Ekmanjohnny]

i am so thankful that you are testing and trying stuff out for us man! i just got myself a shimano metanium mgl wohoo!

[@TackleAdvisors]

You're welcome. I just watched some dudes review on it Kickin their basstv....My god that guy is clueless...saying it's the furthest casting reel he's ever thrown....and needs no thumb no and underspin....That means it's overbraked and by default not casting to it's or any other reels potential....You're gonna love that reel! Congrats on the new baby

[@Ekmanjohnny]

Thanks man. and ye i guess its hard to find people/reviewers that arent bought or getting paid. Keep up the good work!

[@bigfishbucketlist]

Love your honest reviews. Would also love to see you open up the concept z and tinker around the insides

[@EnriqueMartinez-bx2qe]

Thats cool that you found what the issue was. Pretty cool reel

[@MillerMurdaughFishing]

I knew this reel wasn't going to live up to the hype lmao! Thanks so much for putting the hype down

[@joebleaux7039]

Thank you for helping us save money! You are a Saint! Keep up the great work.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Thanks Joe!!

[@ST4R1SM1NE]

To you guys saying "who reels like that" or "he's reeling in to aggressive on the reel" haven't been fishing long enough! If your pitching out a jig to a spot and you miss the hook set and you wanna pitch back asap what do you do??? You reel back as fast and as aggressively as you can to pitch back right! That's what he's doing! He's showing you what the reel can and can't handle! I'm glad I passed on this reel and bought a Curado K. I knew from the start this reel wouldn't be all that! The older Shimano Bushing reel, look at where Shimano went with that!!! They stopped making it! Awesome video keep your reviews coming!

[@elonmust7470]

Yeah that's hilarious.

[@hillbillytarzan]

I just bought the big one, the Z3. Very happy with it and have no problems with it nor the “problems” shown here. I have an Abu revo3 beast, toro 2 beast 50 and the Z3 for my swimbaits. Sold my Calcutta 400 after using the Abu. Brakes at max and tension too loose. I can make my 3 & $400 dollar reels do that. They’re only about $125 now.

[@thereelpimp]

Wow I almost get on the hype train watching those other KZbinrs, luckily I saw this video and make me have second thoughts about this reel. Thank for the honest review!

[@CookingandFishing]

Surprise surprise, the hype train was real but the reel was not. Gotta hand it to 13 though, they know how to market on the cheap. Can't wait for the full teardown review...

[@TackleAdvisors]

Unless my post on tackle tour failed to post....They removed my casting comparison results from today throwing other lures.

[@CookingandFishing]

lol that doesn't surprise me one bit

[@imjuz]

Sweet video awesome review good job

[@jakeorr23]

I wanna see you tear this reel apart lol, that's my favorite to watch, you amaze me how you know where all the parks go, I just bought a older steez and I need it gone over

[@PumpkinKingXXIII]

Thanks for the reviews, it definitely cooled my jet on running out and ordering one till thing get straight or I find out if this is they way they all are.

[@avl1989]

Objective as always, thanks for the video!

[@LilDino808]

Out of all the videos I’ve watched about this reel, you are the first person to say anything about that noise. Wish I saw this before I bought it but I can say I bought mine for 89 bucks. For 89 bucks fishes fine but if I paid 200 I would be disappointed.

[@stickbom]

Thanks for sharing your findings! I’ve got an A3 and didn’t really like it all that much too. Funny you should mention Okuma because a bunch of OEM reels comes from the same factory that churns out Okuma.

[@baseballgod8065]

You just saved me $200 and the hassle of re selling it on eBay.

[@baseballgod8065]

I'll take a zillion or curado any day over this.

[@warrenlouisiana2277]

This is a Zero in my tackle box , after hearing this real sound like that,,,

[@zjoaquin]

Thank you for the info. I agree.

[@janosczovek8524]

You just save me a lot of money thanks 👍

[@griseldatorres6919]

Awesome video good job

[@TackleAdvisors]

Thank you ! Appreciated

[@kimehunt4501]

I can only imagine that slop getting worse as the reel gets used and those bushings get worn down. If any of my reels made that noise I'm returning it.

[@Mrlippro1]

nice casting form! great vid as always

[@TackleAdvisors]

Thanks man! Appreciate it! I posted on my instagram a frame grab of how much that rod was loaded....

[@Mrlippro1]

Wow either you put a ton of whip in the cast, or that's a really deep-loading rod! What's the action rating on it?

[@TackleAdvisors]

Not really whipping it. It''s sort of what I'd call a mod fast. The taper of the blank is a bit more gradual. It's rated to an ounce and a half. Tip loads fairly easily. Loading the butt section takes an efficient casting stroke.

[@Mrlippro1]

Agree, props to you for being able to do it with such ease. I can coax more flex out of the body of the rod when casting with a more "winding" motion (kinda like you do in this vid), but then my release point and thus trajectory will lose quite a bit of consistency. I like how you have the reel sideways on the backcast and then rotate along the axis of the rod while going through the casting motion, makes for a really smooth-looking kinetic chain. Most people would have the reel still in the sideways orientation by the end of the cast, but you actually have the reel facing up, which in my experience is a more efficient way to finish the stroke.

[@zachbartlett2829]

The shot at first state lol 😂

[@TackleAdvisors]

I couldn't resist.....That video of his cabelas purchase was what started his rise......Still don't get it.

[@gabrielvanrycheghem9841]

My reel doesn’t have these problems at all it’s nice and tight when reeling in doesn’t sound sloppy and very very smooth I’m sorry to see yours is like this

[@bassproZ71]

Thanks for the no bs review. I was really excited about this reel and wanted it for my "all purpose" bass/inshore fishing rig, but after reading all the mixed reviews and seeing this I think I will be passing on this reel. That slop in the retrieve alone combined with knowing that I paid $200 for it would drive me bat crap crazy. Bought a 7' MH Cashion CRT to try for this setup and it looks like a Curado K will be going on it now.

[@zachshott7833]

I'll keep my Curado K, love they brought the micro module gearing to this new model of lower price point reels!

[@badboybootz8]

Theres always one

[@guidedbylee303]

Great review. The reel is very noisy casting as well. I’ll stick to my curado k.

[@mlemmings77]

I'm so glad you did a review of this reel, and suspected exactly the response you had with it. When it first came out I was dead set on getting a couple but my gut told me to stay with the tried and true legends of the market like Diawa or shimano. I didn't believe for a second it could sit at the same price point QUALITY LIKE THE DIAWA tatula or the shimano curado/chronarch !, and if any of you call me a fanboy of Shimano or Diawa I would say why wouldn't I be? I have invested a lot of cheddar in my reels and can say with an honest heart. I got exactly what I hoped I would at the prices I paid.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Keep in mind this wasn't a review. This was just seeing if the shills and advertising lived up to the longest casting smoothest reel on ever garbage. Which it isn't m. But it is indestructible. Best low pro I've used if it's gonna get salty and sloppy

[@pjl626]

I admit I was buying the hype, especially after watching some sponsored reviews, so I'm thankful for unbiased reviews, such as yours and The Reel Test. You saved me from some serious G.A.S. and wasting $200.

[@Clambelly]

Saltwater fishing requires shielded / sealed ceramic bearings / stainless or marine bronze gears / sealed frames / sealed housing / sealed. Did I mention sealed ? A bearing less system w/ polymer will not corrode, but the compromise is quite obvious -- slop. Van Staal should design a low-profile saltwater baitcaster. Seigler SM "star mag" is probably the greatest conventional casting reel available. 40 lbs. drag, mag control, saltwater / surf specific and easily capable of handling inshore and offshore species.

[@robvaillancourt4]

Thank you for the video. I was just about to purchase this reel today but wanted to get an honest opinion on the Z before making the purchase. I have read and seen a lot of "marketing" videos. I fell into the "I must have that reel" feeling. I really don't need another reel, I just want the newest evolution in reels, I guess........ I think I will hold off until 13 Fishing refine the reel a bit more and stick with my Lews for now. A lot of other similar comments at Tackle Warehouse convinced me that the "chatter" could be annoying and lets face it, you have to LOVE your reel in order enjoy your day on the water.

[@vinfish4697]

Made by Fisher price ?

[@TackleAdvisors]

Nah...Sunkinst!

[@gp_games1088]

I'm still on the fence about returning mine and getting the tatula sv for the same price. The reel was delivered to my house when it was less than 20 degrees and upon getting it out of the package it sounded awful. Line guide noise, spool play, handle play, and just about everything you mentioned except without casting. After it warmed up inside the noises weren't as intense but still worse than some of my quantum , daiwas and Abu reels. The reel does palm nicely though and the grips are comfortable but that's about all good I can say at this point. There is still part of me that wants to give it a chance.

[@shanejones5885]

I got one in the mail today. I fished with it and it 100% was not making those noises. I don't care for how light it feels, and it doesn't feel as substantial when reeling lures in.

[@X3FBrian]

I have a concept z, curado dc, scorpion dc, metanium dc, and chronarch mgl. My concept works perfect and is just as smooth as micro module and it’s my quietest real other than the chronarch mgl.

[@jpi201]

Mine doesn’t sound like that even when I reel as fast as I can. Not sure what’s up with yours.

[@stephenballard1308]

Tell me about it I freakin love mine! 👍

[@jsr3498]

Dude has a ton of d*** riders I have a sport z and z neither do any of that lol but I don't throw 30 pound braid on a 100 foot rod either lmao .

[@quoctho2105]

Would like to see a tear down vid, want to know if it's czb for all bearings or just those having to do with the spool

[@TackleAdvisors]

Every one...Handle knobs, pinin support, handle shaft, spool...and every single last one of them has gaps between the bushing and the part that turns in it..Enough that it is not only visible..but you can feel and hear it. Not sure if that's by design or not. As I have old penns and old shimanos (first low profile shimano ever made 1979) that have metal and plastic bushing with near press fit tolerances.)

[@kevindigit]

Tackle Advisors can you do review of the concept tx ? been trying to find a good review of it but haven't found any thanks!

[@califishing4991]

man i just got mine and its making some crazy sounds when casting for the money im pissed the curado k is much much better. did you sends your back to be fixed

[@nickrobertsonrw4852]

When you tighten the spool tension knob, the slop goes away. Realized, it takes a few turns before it starts actually applying pressure.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Adding spool tension will help rid of the knock of the spool and some of the slap between the spool shaft pin and pinion gear....But spool tension kills distance....and changes when you release your thumb off the spool casting lighter lures....If every one of my reels had no spool tensioner...and allowed for a slight bit of lateral play...I'd be perfectly happy :) I swapped the CZB bearings out for ball bearings earlier and the handle lean disappeared entirely. All it took was replacing one CZB at the base of the handle shaft exactly as I suspected....And the reel feels better than it did out of the box. I filmed 10x magnified up close footage showing how much slop there is between all the czb's and the part they support. The only way you could say this reel feels as refined as something from shimano or daiwa is if you fell asleep on your arm funny and started fishing while your arm was still numb....Like or hate shim/daiwa....they are in a different realm in terms of fit finish and feel. Sure there are duds...but overall...I don't think this reel is as special as the hype train conductors led people to believe

[@jacobmiller9292]

The only advantage I see to bushings is for inshore guys and super cold weather which makes bearings move slower. For me, I live 8 hours from the ocean and it's warm pretty much all year so I'll take a curado 70 or 200 all day

[@RickWeiner13]

Great review. If i were you i would try to get a new one cuz it is suppose to be silent. They have great customer service is what i hear. Dont personally have one. Gonna wait a while before i get one. And i have heard they have the same manufacturing plant as okuma too.

[@jnes4232]

Purchased 2 of these reels in 2018 because i was looking for alternatives to bearing since they are used for saltwater wade fishing. One of the reels does exactly what is described in Tackle Advisors report. The other one doesn’t.... after using them for approx one year i would not recommend. Casting distance is ok but I’m getting more distance with much better performance from my LEWs inshore SSN1SH reels. LEWs internals have some weakness with the main gear which i found small fractures in. Planning to trash the one that has issues and sell the other As is...

[@24-7flounderproblem]

LOVE IT!!!YOU GO BOY!!!NO B.S.👍👍👍❤😁

[@TackleAdvisors]

Thanks man!

[@otroflores91]

I bought one for $100 4-5 years ago. Still works and cast well enough for me. Bought it to use in the saltwater and it has exclusively been used for that. Don't have to worry about it getting wet in the kayak and is really lightweight for shore fishing. The finish sucks and it chipped and scratched easily. Does it match my tranx 200 , coastal SV, or lexas? No . End of the day I'm pleased with it and will use it till it breaks. Which might be sooner than later. Last night the clutch didn't want to engage sometimes with the handle. Same thing happened to my daiwa aird coastal 100 after 5 years of saltwater use. Wish they still made that reel or parts for it.

[@obscuredlove4043]

Can you try the concept tx? I also wanna see if it can cast far .

[@McClovinFishing]

Thousands of 15 year olds who joined the 13 hype train will be disappointed to say the least

[@novaday8813]

Its been amazing for inshore fishing. Better than any daiwas for longevity

[@dabeerguy79]

Been fishing for 30 years and just got my SZ six months ago and now I’m on the train too.

[@McClovinFishing]

dabeerguy79 Weird... I’ve been fishing for 31 years

[@tjsquib8359]

i have this real and i love it. mine make the retrieve noise but not the casting one and i have 22 freinds that have this real and theres dont make either noises. Im taking miine back to get a new one

[@tjsquib8359]

nice video man. We all have our own opinons me and my freinds all love it thats our opions.

[@johncoyote6755]

You’re critique of 13 fishing is spot on. I have 3 inceptions. They are the same way, loose. I also have a curado i and k models. I know they cost $50 more but they are much tighter and refined reels. They never chatter on retrieve. My inceptions do. Also the paint on my inceptions handles start to chip under the nuts. The only thing on my shimano is the brakes in the i need to be cleaned and lubed twice a year. But I fish a lot so that’s kind of expected. Not to mention my curado out cast the inceptions even with boca ceramics. Good reviews. Piss the haters.

[@BackTheBlu]

What's lb test line is recommended for baitcasters? I've been using 15lb braid and I'm only getting around 13 yards of casting distance

[@TackleAdvisors]

If that's all you're getting you may have an issue I had with the larger z3. Where no matter what I did which included Dremel ing the side plate. There was no freespool (defective.. Like the spool tensioner was 10x too tight) I use 15 to 40 on that reel and get average to very good distance)

[@KJMFISHING]

I noticed they do sound a little like a DC reel when casting. I casted mine for the first time the other day and noticed it. However, the sound it makes while reeling happens to most reels when you reel them fast like that.

[@skinnysfishin7066]

Do you still like it .. I'm debating getting one

[@KJMFISHING]

@@skinnysfishin7066 - I had no problems with it, but I did end up selling it because I bought too many reels and had to get rid of some. I do prefer a Shimano or Daiwa.

[@skinnysfishin7066]

Would you buy it for 120 bucks because it's on sale on Amazon I either get one of them or a shimano slx

[@skinnysfishin7066]

And does it make a sound like the video said

[@KJMFISHING]

@@skinnysfishin7066 - No, not for $120, I paid $70 for mine brand new from Dicks Sporting Goods, they are on sale for $100 all the time.

[@cameronphipps6919]

If you crank almost any reel as hard as you did in this vid it will make that noise

[@TackleAdvisors]

Watch this..I time stamped it.....this is a 40$ reel consisting of parts from other cheap eom reels. Big difference. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKa5nqGqq8yroKMm18s

[@Slazmoservicing4209]

Ahh yeh nah, they dont make that noise 😂

[@biggiesmalljaws]

I actually just tried cranking that hard with a Curado K, Daiwa Tatula Type R and Lew's Pro G and all of them sounded exactly like the Z when cranked with the intensity shown in this video.......

[@AG.Floats]

My 36$ kastking royal legend doesn't make the knocking sound lolol

[@jimbogasoline2042]

Biggie Smalljaws Both of my reels don't make that noise. I understand if the reel is dirty and not oiled then maybe..

[@guslombardo3199]

I really like the amazon link in the description that has all the stuff you like and use. Can you keep adding it to your videos going forward? Thx!

[@TackleAdvisors]

Hey Gus, Thanks man! I just discovered I can add defaults to video descriptions So that's what that is :) . And will be adding that going forward. There's a ton of other items that I really enjoy using. I just haven't gotten around to dealing with amazon's somewhat clunky "amazon influencer page"

[@guslombardo3199]

Terrific. Any chance you’ll be at Striper Day Saturday? Would love to say hello and pick your brain about a couple of surf rods I’m seriously considering to fish the Canal this year. Specifically, the 10’ 6” Black Hole, FSC, and TFO.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I'm not going to be able to make it. Which sucks because I like saying hi to Kil Song. If there's ever been a tackle shill that I support...it's him. He actually gave me permission to use all his videos.....I just never got around to grabbing them. He's a gent! I had a minor problem with my 9'6 cape cod nano not being straight (still fishable) and he offered me my choice of replacement..so I went with the 9'2 and he let me keep my 9'6. He's been a StriperOnline member for a long time too!

[@guslombardo3199]

Tackle Advisors just picked up a rod from Kil. Nice guy. Great rod. Think his family is running the operation here at the show. Nice to see small businesses flourishing. Thanks for the tip. Couldn’t find FSC which was strange/disappointing wanted to compare them side by side. Nevertheless, still happy to give Kil a few bucks...

[@TackleAdvisors]

His wife June and daughter usually "man" the booths :) A few years ago at the nj saltwater show. He was handing people black hole cape cod cow specials and showing the pulling power. He yanked down on the rod tip...and the rod exploded after about 40lbs of pressure.....The hilarious part is the guy on went flying backwards through the booth separating cloth....Nobody was hurt. But it was funny as crap!! I first met him in 2010 at a canyon runner seminar where he did a break out tuna jiggin seminar..he let me take his zeebass apart while at the seminar....Gears smeared flat...blew my mind!

[@catohostilius1221]

Team Shishamo for life! Thanks for the honest review.

[@dylanstanley1841]

Personally I've never had a okuma reel make a sound like that, i have had a little bit of a muck around with the Cirtix and it was so smoothhhhh unlike the reel in this vid

[@--RSL--]

yeah my tatulas or fuegos dont make these noises stock. I like their fate black and higher rods though... had mine for a long while and caught lots of fish on them.

[@simplecircuit]

I had a couple of Zillion Crazy Crankers that had that rickety sound on retrieve. Interestingly, it seemed to go away when retrieving with load. It was totally that back and forth play though that was causing it regularly. Otherwise, I'm not really sold on these 13 Fishing reels at $200 when I could get some JDM Daiwas from TW for the same price on sale.

[@TackleAdvisors]

That back and forth is in every single baitcaster. To some extent. But it doesn't always show up. If you read my impressions on tackle tour. I think it has to do with the sloppy tolerance in the bushing at the base of the handle. And the handle lean allows for a inconsistant grip of the antirervers clutch. Which allows it to slip in and out. SO you get the handle lean and the in an out. Today I cast a 40$ reel and a 500$ reel doing the same thing...And i didn't experience that sloppyness

[@ccog6450]

Mine makes the same clanking noise, but casts/reels fine. I bought it because I fish a lot of salt water. I think the payoff will be how it handles the salt in the long run.

[@ferndelisle]

Hey that bright orange reel with the fancy non-bearing!

[@TackleAdvisors]

Yeah...imagine that..lol

[@ferndelisle]

Tackle Advisors So far the reel seems lackluster from the videos I’ve seen. Maybe it’ll have great durability but that’s not the most exciting selling point. I wanna get one of the Tatula Elite series rods with the AGS guides, could it be a poor man’s Steez?

[@dip30ful]

if you see this. what reel do you recommend $150-$200 range.

[@ericnoyes6418]

Please do a table top tear down of the concept z and tatula sv

[@Ilogrich]

i've been waiting for someone to review this without the hype lol. i was really excited about this when i first saw it.. then i saw that shimano has a $40 JDM version and i just wanted to make sure i'm not falling for the hype. i'm posting this at 1.32 minute mark. so looking forward to the rest of the video.

[@TheKingzfan]

Richard Ilog no the $40 Shimano isn't the same, the Shimano isn't a aluminum frame. The only thing the Shimano has in common is that it doesn't have ball bearings. It is their cheapest reel that is why it doesn't have bearings. Bushings have in reels for years!

[@Ilogrich]

thanks for the clarification. but most of the videos i saw were hyping the mess out of the concept Z. and i was super excited about it. i came back down to earth and wanted to see what everyone else's thoughts were. hopefully, i can get my hands on one soon so i can make a decision on my own.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Scotts spot on. These are in fact very differnt bushings. It also is a very light and compact reel with a fairly stout drag. Reel test just did that to capitolize on the hype of the Z. I can't tell you how many emails I got after he posted that video. 40-50 asking me about that stinkin reel..lmao

[@Ilogrich]

i'm still very much a budget fisherman. i was looking to step up and i thought this would be my first non-budget reel. i was also looking for something that i could apply to salt water applications and thought this would be a good fit. i'll probably hold off before i drop 200. possibly consider different options.

[@littlegoobie]

For me, it wasn't about waiting for reviews with or without hype. I was waiting for the UNSPONSORED reviews to start showing up. If we bought reels based on hype level, i would have a whole locker full of KastKing reels.

[@thenifftybiscut4033]

Should I even consider buying one of these reels or should I just hold my money for a Shimano scorpion 17 dc

[@PamelaKivi]

I figured out the sound it makes....Is this reel equipped with a Jake Brake? LOL

[@elonmust7470]

lol

[@KBurd1]

Dayum that's how my chronarch ci4+ sounded like after a hard backlash..... never was the same again. Heard they said some of the ci4+ had problems. So upgraded to a jdm metanium dc..... best ever.

[@ZZMOKIN]

TA can fix it. I love my Curados, i and two Ks and three Metanium HGs and fortunately have never had a hiccup with any of them. Yeah it's heavier but the Antares HG is a pleasure to fish also. Now if they only came in orange - I really do like that color.

[@jorgegranado7122]

Totally agree with you was totally disappointed. Have a older quatum solace still quieter and sturdier. Which I got for $15.

[@andylam88]

I have that same rattleing sound in my Curado K but it's just a little bit. Anyone know why?

[@ricoalcala336]

What reel would you thinks is best

[@phajej1993]

Concept c is good but after 8 months of using it my line viide is having play. Any suggestions? Also im not buying anymore 13 foshing products

[@TackleAdvisors]

The levelwind guide? wiggles on ya? They generally do have some sort of play. It's not a piece that is rigid when mounted...some slop is expected

[@danielbeavers8701]

That sounds like every kast king ive used seriously

[@rawrfishing]

thank you for doing this vid. I am a 13 fishing fan for their rods, but not really with their reel. what if this reel was around 120 Dollars?

[@TackleAdvisors]

+raWr Fishing for 120 based one weight and size it'd be competitive. But every other reel at that price is more solid and refined in hand and on retrieve.. At least the ones I've used. I just tore it down and compared it to a quantum accurist.... Stole a bearing from it too and put it in place of a czb at the base of the handle shaft and it now feels better than new.. Lmao

[@rawrfishing]

oh man.. well i guess the only reason i want it is that it's my favorite color lol... since i am dirt broke, kastking it is haha :P

[@ZZMOKIN]

Contrary to most, I'm with you on the color, forever drooled over the glowing orange show cars that never hit production. I bought a 2008 Z06 Vette when the Jetstream blue first came out and almost traded up to a newer one when the Inferno Orange hit. Then, when the 2014 Stingray was announced I got one of the first ones; red, they didn't have THAT orange. Loved it but still no bright orange. On the fence for the new ZR1 - WAY overkill for the street but bright orange. IMO the cheap Lew's Orange Crush combo is damn pretty, I picked up the green Speed Spool combo last year for a throwdown just because it was such good bang for the buck. Try one out, very smooth with click stops, good line capacity. I've abused a Super Duty Speed Spool for prob 200 hours with heavy woodchoppers on Brazil trips and a bit of slop now but it still works fine.

[@josephvenezia1000]

I just handled a couple of zs in the store ,wound it hard and with no clatter and the spool had no play sideways or back and forth ,everything was tight and smooth ,I have all BB1PROS SO no ax to grind ,you must have got a dog.

[@tima7662]

Ok, I agree with you 100% on the hype surrounding this reel. Surprised it was so loud on the cast but the retrieve really floored me. I normally fish Shimano and Daiwa and all of my reels sound better than this one. Hell, I even have 20 year old Calcutta's that sound better. I picked up and played with $99 Shimano Casitas and it sounded better! It should sound better and have better tolerances for $200. Will stick with Shimano and Daiwa. I followed your replies on the reel test and felt you were giving some good feedback on his testing and your honest opinion. Surprised he cut you off. Your jab at him with this video had me laughing pretty good.. Anyway, really like the straight forward opinions on all of the reels you tear down and discuss. Keep it up and your scooby through rig caught me some smallmouth and spots over the summer! Thanks Man!

[@m4a1JAY]

Using plastic bushings as a raceway for a metal part lol. 13 Fishing is the Apple of the fishing tackle world. That noise is the spool shaft jumping around in there because the tolerance is so loose. If they tightened up the tolerance the noise would be less but the bushing would wear down faster from contact and heat.

[@williamandrade7717]

I have one and it does not make any noise.. Very one sided review. The Orange is awesome .

[@TackleAdvisors]

Review? where? It was an hour on a casting field. And a discussion. Hence the title. I was trying to see if 13's claims of 20% distance gains are true....And they aren't even close.

[@TheBoolio]

I sent mine back to tackle warehouse because it was loud when I wound it...I never even put line on it. When I pulled the spool and wound it it clattered bad. I have a concept c that I really like, but was super disappointed with this reel.

[@slymetymefishing9832]

Tried a Inception and returned it for a curado, the Inception spool release wouldn’t automatically close

[@exodusfivesixfivesix8050]

My shimano slx was super smooth and tight until I started catching 10+ fat bass. I wouldn’t expect to have precision until I get to that $$$ tag.

[@Hook2Cook]

What are your thoughts on the z3? Same?

[@TackleAdvisors]

Nah.. Completely different reel. Much better in the refinement category. Much more solid. I'm digging it so far for sure

[@Hook2Cook]

Thank you so much! After seeing your casting the z3 in the snow, I decided to go with it for surf fishing here in California. The lightest bait I will be throwing is the LC flash minnow at 5/8 oz. I’m planning on spooling up daiwa j braid 50lb. Pairing with a 7’11 crankbait rod from irod. I should be receiving it tomorrow! I’ll post a video about it since I’m fishing Tuesday for surf perch. You think that setup will cast the Lc fine? I’ll be throwing bucktails too eventually for striper.

[@wolfsmane]

What rod are you using?

[@jamesbarron1202]

I wonder if the cold weather makes the bushings contract and thats where the play is coming in making the tolerances change? Really makes no difference unless you fish Florida all the time

[@TackleAdvisors]

I had it apart at room temp. The tolerances on all the bushings were the same. There is a good amount of wiggle room. But I don't know if it gets worse in the 40 degree temps. Good call!

[@biggiesmalljaws]

Honestly it shouldn't change much being a "space age polymer" bushing. You'd see more temperature shrink in a metal ball bearing and metal components than plastics and polymers in the cold. Plastics don't conduct heat as well meaning they don't cool to ambient temperatures like metal objects do..... Just my knowledge of science and my two cents so take it for what its worth. 😂

[@elonmust7470]

I forget to run the line through my level wind at LEAST once a week.

[@nikitakozlov8380]

0:45 that could also be the spool pin against the "pinion grooves". when the distance between the pinion grooves is machined too wide due to poor quality control the pin just tilts forwards and backward on retrieve. I have a chinese replica of the old zillion 100 with the magforce V- it has that issue. Bought it for 22 Eur in the winter time for capital upgrading, to keep the hands busy. There is no easy way to fix that. But if it's the handle play or knob play, a spacer or two is all you need. But I guess the word of the guy holding the reel is on top.

[@TackleAdvisors]

I thought initially in the vid it could be that. Which is why i tightened the tensioner. And it still persisted. Its a combination of things. The reel is and forever will be rickety since all the bushing tolerances are awful. But it's a tank of a reel. Probably the most indestructible reel in the low profile game today.

[@milehigh3054]

Have you done a teardown of the Concept Z yet? Was curious what's inside. Greats vids!

[@TackleAdvisors]

Thanks man! And yeah i have......trying to figure out what way I want to go with how i present it......Internally it has the worst tolerances that I've ever seen on a baitcaster...I even compared it to a 1979 shimano bantam 1 and a ancient penn jigmaster....both of which have tighterr tolerrances and less slop.....then i swapped abunch of bearings from a quantum accurist and tightened it up and it's a decent reel now..lol...so that's the short of it...i also found why it was so chattery on the cast...and rickety on the retireve.....which was cool...i guess...SO that's the short of it! lol

[@TackleAdvisors]

But I gotta finish up with a new sustain, ci4+ stradic, ultegra,Saltist , KK speed demon, and a few others soi can get them back to their owners......the struggle is real....or is it reel?

[@maxdvorak7752]

Can you review some lews reels possibly the 100 dollar one

[@TeamWagy]

Also did you catch any grass carp? You were in some juicy areas

[@TackleAdvisors]

I got some grass crap stuck in my boots.....damn geese all over the friggin place lol

[@strasbertos]

It's a shame because I was excited about the reliability of that new " space age bushing" . It sounds like they need to put a little more effort into the build. I cancelled mine and decided on the Metanium.

[@horseblinderson4747]

I have some Oheros that I got off of Amazon for about $50-60 about 5-6 years ago they served me well. But I do believe it's just another rebrand hyped up name made in China out of Chineseium. But they did hold up well. This reel though some people are pissed at it looking at the recommended videos anyway.

[@TacticMatriXx]

have had 0 problems with mine

[@MONGO573]

I picked up 7 of these reels for $159 a peice at tackle warehouse I figured I give them a try I have a few concepts As and and A3s and concept Es and Cs and inceptions that I upgraded them all to the Boca Bearings It turned my concepts all into totally different reels all together I wasn’t expecting the concept z to cast like a Shimano alderbaran or Antares or mentanium MGL or even the Daiwa steez line I appreciate your honesty And taking the time and making this video because I’m sending all seven back to tackle warehouse I was going to take one out and Cast one on one of my new fenwick world class casting rods but why bother you done the work for me To me there not even worth $159 price point for what I paid for them with my 20% discount thanks again you save me a ton of money I’ll stick with my lews Shimano and daiwa Some of my team daiwa reels are 30 years old and never let me down Thanks again Matt

[@TackleAdvisors]

Damn!!! That's alot of orange!!!! Sorry my vid put you in a bind. I received a few emails and fb messages saying they experience the same thing. So Im not really sure it's just my example that's bad

[@MONGO573]

Well they will get them back to tackle warehouse I spent tens of thousands of dollars a year and fishing equipment when I comes to my reels and rods I buy the best I can get Like I said in my prior post I drank the Kool-Aid not that I was burnt buy the way they cast It’s just a lot of hype went into this reel by the sponsors and of course the professional bass fisherman that endorse them we’re not gonna bite the hand that feeds them It’s just plain business 101

[@MONGO573]

Tackle Advisors you were completely honest in your opinion and I happen to agree with you maybe Matt Baldwin from 13 fishing Could shed some light on this topic or he’s going to have a lot of pissed off customers Being that this was his baby and all he designed it

[@cadenkea9605]

I tested one out myself and had no issues this video shows the inconsistency of 13 fishing reels and until they get high quality gears in a sturdy build I don’t think I’ll be buying any more

[@TackleAdvisors]

I don't think there is anything wrong with the gears. The sloppy handle i believe has to do with the bushing in the base of the handle shaft. The tolerances aren't very tight. And it allows teh handle to rock a bit. And it shows up as a clunky retrieve.

[@cadenkea9605]

Tackle Advisors I was referring to the concept a which I believe uses the same gears as the z which seems to just drop off dramatically in about 3 months

[@TackleAdvisors]

Ahhh...gotcha. One of these days i'm gonna have to get a 13 and okuma apart next to one another. I really want to see if they're gears are the same or different.

[@cadenkea9605]

Tackle Advisors if I had to guess I’d say yes if not they are damn similar, Okuma Helios wore out after about 3 months of big fish. It’s a shame really

[@littlegoobie]

I took apart Lews and they're the same as abu low profiles. There are too many identical parts and machining profiles to be a mere coincidence. weird springy brake mechanism held on the spool with 3 phillips screws, the same spool shaft machining, same driveside spool side profile, an oiling port cover in same location held on with a screw in the same shape notch cast into the aluminum frame, same plastic spacers on the ends of the line pawl

[@danielstewart4345]

Mine does throw very far, it has a click sometimes when I reel in though.

[@nickmorris4439]

Love this guy best reel reviewer in the game if you haven’t already, subscribe.

[@TackleAdvisors]

Thanks man!!!! I'm starting to get frustrated with all these turds i've been reviewing.....Hope 13 doesn't send a lawyer after me over this.

[@nickmorris4439]

Tackle Advisors not gonna lie dude I bought one too😂

[@nickmorris4439]

Tackle Advisors even if the performance isn’t great it’s one of the most hyped up and popular reels ever so I guess it’s good for collecting

[@TackleAdvisors]

LOL....did you get it yet? Does it have any handle wiggle....Not the in and out...But rocks.

[@nickmorris4439]

Tackle Advisors YES it does at first I didn’t even notice it as soon as I got it I spooled it up with line and took it straight to the yard but after I casted I couldn’t help but notice the loud knocking of it

[@oliverwood2926]

would you recommend this reel for musky fishing?

[@anthonyrosenbaum2640]

No too small, go with a Shimano

[@TC_Fishing]

The reel needs ... " Shimano Stable Spool Design (S3D) Shimano's S3D technology leads to significantly reduced spool vibration. By designing a balanced and uniform thin wall aluminum constructed spool, S3D creates an incredibly smooth feeling when casting and retrieving lures." 😉

[@scottcoles7095]

I know that there is a bunch of hype and i am skeptical however the beauty in what this reel represents is in longevity and minimal maintenance. It should match or be close to the curado at first and degrade slower in harsh salt water conditions. It is for this reason that i am interested but only real time will tell for these answers. Bearings will degrade quickly kayak fishing in the gulf. Thanks for giving it hell though. We need more thorough reviews like yours.

[@FlowBaka]

If one of your subs is a machinist. You should see if you can get someone to make you some brass journal bearings and I bet that they would work better then those bearings. Lightly oiled of course. Actually I think they have graphite infused brass or all graphite for that matter.