131ci Stage IV Lowrider S / Cam Swap / Part 2 / Unboxing New Parts / Dyno / SE vs Cyclerama

Now making over 147hp & 149ft/lbs we are up 10HP & 8FT/LBS from the bolt on Stage IV 131ci Kit. That is a solid gain for just a cam swap.
I removed the Screamin' Eagle 517 Cam & install the Cycle-Rama 512 Cam.
I update the stock cam plate to a FUELING OE+ cam support plate & add some billet lifter cuffs from S&S to keep everything in order.
The gains are very impressive for such a 'low compression ratio' build.
I can't wait for part 3 when I install some HI COMP Pistons!
Wes from Cycle-Rama really knows his stuff & how to grind a cam for these M8's. All his cams produce solid gains, along with very broad torque curves. The power curves just keep going to the moon!!!
I talk about a few benefits of some of the aftermarket products out there these days & I touch on the latest oil pump from Harley-Davidson. The oil pump now features an 8 lobe ge-rotor on the scavenge side of the pump & since having installed countless numbers of them, I have NOT SEEN ANY ISSUES.
Cycle-Rama & Alpha Performance Engines have been working together to develop an A.P.E Cam. The results of that Camshaft VERY IMPRESSIVE & videos are available to view at the A.P.E Facebook & Instagram pages, Links are here: ALPHA PERFORMANCE ENGINES, / alpha-performance-engi...
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[@jamespierce9622]

You are the first Professional master mechanic I've watched that provided visual comparison of what you are doing in swapping the different parts as well as showing the increase of H.P and Torque with the graph. I have clearer understanding of how the stage kits work. An Excellent bit of instruction. Many thanks!

[@MasterTechMiller]

Thank you for the positive feedback mate! Much appreciated! I aim to try and make a clear understanding of what goes on, rather than just show the customer the catalog and take what H-D say as gospel.

[@michaelscott7482]

Watching your videos from Afghanistan. Headed back home to Texas in a few weeks, will start my 2020 Low Rider S build. As always, thanks for the knowledge, another great video!

[@MasterTechMiller]

Hell yeah!! I bet you're keen as to get into it😎 I'm loving how this bike and engine combo works so far. I am still very keen to get part 3 done because it's going to be SOOOO MENTAL!!!

[@grahambodie7429]

i know Im randomly asking but does any of you know of a method to get back into an Instagram account..? I stupidly forgot the account password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me!

[@derrickcurtis6750]

@Graham Bodie Instablaster =)

[@grahambodie7429]

@Derrick Curtis Thanks for your reply. I found the site on google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Seems to take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.

[@grahambodie7429]

@Derrick Curtis It did the trick and I finally got access to my account again. I'm so happy! Thanks so much, you saved my account !

[@MrSokkermasta]

Man I love your channel! I think the way you put your videos together helps me understand what goes into building your bike. Please keep doing what you doing and can’t wait for part 3. Btw I’ll be buying a low rider here soon!

[@MasterTechMiller]

Awesome news that you'll be buying a Lowrider S 👍 They're such a great bike & you won't regret it. Hands down they are my favorite M8 Softail. Thanks for the great feedback too, I really appreciate it. Part 3 I will get slightly more technical and involved with the compression ratio ect so stay tuned for that when it comes out.

[@GalvTexGuy]

When you're done with this build, whoever that bike belongs to is going to be bringing it back for a new rear tire! Awesome stuff, Tommy. 👍🏻

[@MasterTechMiller]

Hahaha!!! They sure will. 💪🏍💨💨💨💨

[@_audacerider3838]

Very informative!! Good stuff grate gains I'm looking forward to part 3!!

[@xHol2nYx]

Hyped for part 3! Bike sounds amazing!

[@manyamile410]

"A lot more time to shove all the money, and air and fuel in there". Well said!

[@emilymiller8306]

Oh man! That table lift was epic! Great vid Tommy, really looking forward to part 3. Hopefully it cools down in the dyno room!

[@MasterTechMiller]

Me too! Cooler air is more dense, therefore containing more oxygen per cubic meter, more oxygen equals more power!!!!

[@Md-en5if]

Found your channel recently and loving the videos so far! I’m picking up a low rider s in the next few weeks and can’t wait

[@MasterTechMiller]

Congrats on the purchase mate!!💪👍 Have you got any plans for it straight away?

[@Md-en5if]

@@MasterTechMiller I’m thinking exhaust and tune first but It’ll be my daily so I’ll work it out when I get it

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@Md-en5if yeah mate absolutely! Tune and Exhaust is the best thing for them straight away. They are held back heaps from the factory

[@memdog5]

Thanks for sharing your experiences with these engine upgrades. I’m in Mexico and have a 2020 lowrider s, got it last year. And its a lot of fun on the curvy roads here. But now you’ve given me some new goals for it!

[@MasterTechMiller]

That's awesome news mate! What have you done the bike so far ?

[@memdog5]

@@MasterTechMiller I have done nothing to it yet! It’s got only 3,000 km on it so far. I have a 2016 street bob that I just had upgraded by our dealer here in Guadalajara from 103 to 110 -IV, with SS exhaust, and it changed the bike a lot and doubled the fun factor and now I’m ruined to stock harleys now! So it got me thinking and researching what to do and I’m glad I found your You Tube! I got a 2018 slim too, and a 2016 Fat boy S, so I got a lot of “build” planning to do! I’m usually out to Australia every other year for business, (tequila.) I absolutely love it out there. Hope to get out there next year, when this virus garbage dies down, and rent a harley for some riding! Thanks again for your educational videos! Guillermo.

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@memdog5 sounds like you've definitely got some build planning to do that's for sure! You should definitely consider the 131ci kit from SE, it's such a great platform. Your 103 to 110 build would be perfect now too. I just wish the Twin Cam engine made as much power as the Milwaukee8 engine because it's such a solid engine. If you ever make it back over here & your around Brisbane, you should make the trip to Toowoomba. It's about 1hr 30mins west of Brisbane.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

I always watch the Cam Install videos so that when I go to do mine, i'll know exactly what to do.

[@MasterTechMiller]

It's good being able to work on your own bikes!

[@40indyuk]

Excellent content Tommy, look fwd to PT3

[@skgate]

thats the best sounding m8 ive ever heard

[@martinXY]

5:13 "Getting held open for about a week" lol 😆

[@williamferril3274]

Watched all 3 videos 2x. Excellent. Thank you MT T. M. Wil

[@MasterTechMiller]

Thanks for watching mate! Glad you enjoyed them. New upload due in the coming days on a 124ci RoadGlide build. Not long after that, part 2 of the 131ci StreeGlide will be done too.

[@silvakevin1]

So impressed with your talent! Make it look sooooo easy. Haha. I make it look hard. Good job mate.

[@MasterTechMiller]

Thanks mate🍻🙌

[@coppersv1000]

That sounds amazing! I can't wait to have a cam in mine. Great video!

[@MasterTechMiller]

What cam shaft are you looking to install in your bike?

[@coppersv1000]

@@MasterTechMiller not sure yet. I’m in the research stage. I know that some are favoring hp over tq and I definitely want the tq and a nice lumpy idle. I currently have the 114 stage one screaming eagle tuner and vance and hines 2 into 1 full exhaust. Any recommendations?

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@coppersv1000 the S&S 475 offers great HP & TQ gains with an awesome sounding ilde. The COMP CAMS 234 produces heaps of torque very early on and up to the mid range before dropping off, it too has an awesome sound at idle. Cyclerama have a CR480 that is a step above the S&S 475. It produces a very big and wide torque curve with plenty of power too. All these cams I have suggested are fine to use with the stock valve springs too.

[@coppersv1000]

@@MasterTechMiller awesome thanks man!

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@coppersv1000 kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6C3hKV7a6qHgtE here's a link to 1 of my older videos. 124ci Breakout with the 234A comp cam. It shows how much torque it produces early on and has shows what it sounds like too

[@moulis05]

These vids are awesome Tommy. . 👍

[@MasterTechMiller]

Cheers mate! Doing the best I can at the KZbin thing!🍻

[@moulis05]

Im keen to get a crimson 2021 with that build and a few extras. Looking forward to part 3

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@moulis05 How good does that colour look!!!! Cheers again for the feedback mate! Part 3 won't be far away😎💪

[@moulis05]

You might be building mine on a future vid mate. Got a qoute from DDHD this morning. 👌

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@moulis05 thats awesome news mate! I would love to build it for you and do a video. If you have any questions about the quote and or the build, just give me a call at the store👍 I'll happily help out anyway I can.

[@craigpennington1251]

Now it sounds like it means business. Sounds a bit like a Shovelhead stroker. Would really sound sweet with straights.

[@haraldljones3428]

Thanks, nice results!

[@vernlochtefeld1626]

Great job. Watched both the first & second videos really looking forward to the 3rd episode. Hope you include more build specifics & tuning info. To us here in the states with our EPA the SE-PST would not turn the numbers you did with the stage 4. Links for aftermarket cam specs & build kits etc would be good.

[@kanenaysmith9287]

thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience in real time. Very inspirational. cheers

[@MasterTechMiller]

Glad your enjoying the content. I appreciate the feedback. It would be awesome if you could give the video a share.

[@mikeessary4925]

Part 3 today?? I can't wait sir! Loving the channel!!

[@MasterTechMiller]

It's still a couple days away sorry Mike, Hang in there though as it's going to be well worth the wait!😎👍 Thanks heaps for the feedback! I'm glad your enjoying the content.

[@mikeessary4925]

@@MasterTechMiller ha ha!! Yes sir.. Keep up the great content!!

[@arcraider937]

2 x 👍 for Wess @ cycle rama .

[@dextersuarez9948]

Awesome stuff man

[@rodeheavers]

Love your videos man. Keep em coming.

[@darthmaul7428]

Choppn like a holden lol super nice build. Im hoping to see this go to 160 hp 🤞

[@MasterTechMiller]

I'm sure we'll get there with part 3 and all the compression we can stuff into it💪

[@darthmaul7428]

@@MasterTechMiller hell yrah brother

[@williamb.9110]

Thanks!

[@iammike1196]

Keep up these videos this is good stuff 👍

[@MasterTechMiller]

Thanks mate! More to come that's for sure 💪🏍💨

[@williamferril3274]

BTW 2020 114 Heritage Wil

[@ihateemael]

just love it! fyi: @8.05 or so might want to ground open leads when cranking.

[@MasterTechMiller]

Not normally a big issue with the Harley's. The CKP sensor can't detect the slowing of the crank during the comp stroke when the plugs are out so it NORMALLY doesn't allow the ignition system to give a spark. Sometimes it will give a spark then the bike can actually fire up and run with 2 spark plugs missing from the cylinder heads. Obviously the other 2 plugs keep it running.

[@marccoleman1315]

I know you said that the pipes were D&D fat cat pipes but most of the time not much online about them

[@MasterTechMiller]

Yeah unfortunately there is not much information on them. They are a great pipe though

[@fxrst_anvers6976]

Awesome videos tommy 👌🏻

[@Josh-ew1le]

Epic build!

[@koschar185]

Gr8 gain bro.If you make and chain conversion you may hit 150!

[@MasterTechMiller]

Check out part 3

[@carlosnuno6482]

Dope !!

[@lukesuter9178]

Awesome videos 👌 love my CR480 cam

[@MasterTechMiller]

Yeah the CR480 is great cam too! Wes really knows how to gring them!

[@rickdeskis]

Sounds excellent!

[@wretchednation3557]

Awesome cam

[@MasterTechMiller]

Can't wait for part 3!!!

[@tna2825]

WOW!

[@harleydave2316]

Dude! How much pressure are you using to lift your table so fast? I'm digging the build so far but that table lift was impressive. 😅

[@MasterTechMiller]

Hahaha!!! Just 100psi of shop air. I've deleted all the valving etc to the ram so now it's just a direct fitting to the ram. Works great! Been like that for years and hasn't played up yet.

[@roncoburn7771]

wow that cr cam made a big difference tommy im working on which cam for my 128 have a 475 in it now

[@MasterTechMiller]

What compression ratio is your 128ci at the moment? There are a couple options, but it depends on your current comp ratio and if you're willing to change it, you will see over 150hp & 150ft/lbs

[@roncoburn7771]

@@MasterTechMiller 10.75 fuel moto kit 5.5 se inj 64 mm cnc se intake 64mm se tb heads have been ported with s&s springs

[@johnriley1964]

Great video and awesome numbers. Can’t wait to see how more compression adds to those numbers. Are you using the screaming eagle smart tuner or something else? Keep up the great videos👍

[@MasterTechMiller]

Hi mate, thanks for the feed back 👍 I am using the 'Direct Link' tuning key from Maximus (Techno Research). The H-D street tuner is not up to the task to tune a bike like this one. It does not allow for any adjustments on the target AFRs, also it only allows for only 5% adjustment on the VE tables. Direct Link offers FULL adjustability across all parameters.

[@AnarchistBogan]

They Harley cams make a bike sound stock... shame really. Sounds amazing now.

[@MasterTechMiller]

They definitely sound very tame hey. The cyclerama cam has definitely brought this thing to life!! I can't wait to get the hi comp piston installed! It will be mental then!

[@smalltimeroller]

Did you go with the SE lifters that came with the kit? Or an aftermarket lifter?

[@MasterTechMiller]

I honestly can't remember. I believe I would have used APE high capacity but I can't be sure

[@351kostakis]

Fantastic

[@bc1953]

Can you build up a harley to have as much HP and TQ as a Triumph Rocket 3

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@bc1953 The Rocker 3 is 140ci & Produces 127HP & 144ft/lbs at the rear wheel. 128ci Harley's with a stage 2 cam produce over 140hp & 150ft/lbs

[@FuckTheSystem1987]

How much do you want for it? Haha looking good.

[@MasterTechMiller]

It will be for sale in a few more months time 👍 However it is available for test rides at Darling Downs Harley-Davidson for the meantime!

[@damienmcgoldrick4598]

Loving these they are so informative. Do these crank cases need venting or just leave them alone. I have done the 131 kit now and want to make sure I'm good .

[@MasterTechMiller]

The crank cases in Softail models are different than tourer crank cases and Softails haven't had any problems.

[@damienmcgoldrick4598]

Thank you 👍

[@keithschmidt2961]

Is that with the SE tune for a 131? If so, there should be more available with a better tune.

[@MasterTechMiller]

No

[@rawirilawson3162]

Doing my own build now 131 kit have screaming eagle cam plate and oil pump s&s lifter cuffs CR512 cam TBR turnout pipe do you have a recomendation for clutch and compensator

[@MasterTechMiller]

I would recommend not using a TBR 2-1 go with a D&D Lowcat or D&D Fatcat. You should be using the Billet steel compensator ramp from Cycle-Rama & the Screamin Eagle 1275nm clutch springs.

[@williamb.9110]

I put his cam in and I love it. I'd like to know the specs on the CR-512. Would you happen to have them?

[@MasterTechMiller]

CR512: Intake 512 lift, 240° duration, Intake closes 36 ABDC Exhaust, 500 lift 255° duration

[@williamb.9110]

@@MasterTechMiller Thank-you!

[@spankz4533]

love your videos bro 👍

[@MasterTechMiller]

Cheers mate 🍻

[@rawirilawson3162]

2022 low rider s

[@jimhaas2]

Im getting my 128 stage iv installed now at my dealer, will have a dyno done etc., have a powervision in it with fullsac and svt's. My question is how much re-tuning did you have to do after 512 install?

[@MasterTechMiller]

I spent another 1hr 30mins on the tune after installing the 512. The camshafts are totally different so it was almost like having to start over again.

[@mptorecon]

This awesome. How did you monitor the oil pressure when you were doing the initial prime turn over?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Just watching the oil light on the dash. The M8 engine will turn the oil light off when oil pressure is reached when cranked over without the spark plugs installed.

[@TanrenDojo]

whens part 3 landing ??

[@Jonathan-L]

Hi Tommy, do you keep the OEM compensator or upgrade to something else? Any changes to the clutch? Will you still keep the belt final drive on this bike, or upgrade it to a chain drive?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Harley-Davidson have gone through a super session on the Milwaukee8 Compensator sproket. Since then we have seen a huge decrease in the compensator failure. They were failing even on stock engines. Most of the tough street engines I do are absolutely fine with the new compensator. As always it comes down to rider abuse. Bigger builds like this one will see a Dark Horse Man O War sprocket installed. As for Belts, I can't stress enough as to how how strong they are these days. Yeah sure you'll see lots of people doing chain conversions. Mostly because they are stunting and wanting to change gearing easier. My boss had a 200hp N/A 143ci Road King that became Australia's first 9sec bagger, foot shifted, hand clutch ect. It still ran a belt and had NO PROBLEMS at all keeping up to the demands of the entire series. We eventually went to a chain ONLY because he went with an extended swingarm, and chains are easier to accommodate to the length required easier. In summary mate, if your running something around 140hp & 140ft/lbs on the street just having fun with your mates every now and then,...the stock compensator is fine along with the belt.

[@Jonathan-L]

@@MasterTechMiller Many thanks for the informative reply Tommy. Your KZbin content & responses to comments must have generated lots of work for you. As others have said, we all want 'Tommy Miller' to be our local Harley guru! I've got a 2014 twin cam 103, and thinking of going stage 2 (already have the pipes & air cleaner upgrade from the previous owner). I was thinking of getting a S&S 583 cam kit upgrade (just want bottom end torque bias). I'm not sure if the 103 compensator is good to keep or whether I spend more and get the Man-o-war compensator. So far, I've only researched the cam options, so it was a toss up between Wes & Pam's CR570 cams or the S&S 583 (my choice was based on Dyno charts at university.fuelmotousa.com/article/h-d-twin-cam-103-camshaft-shootout). Anyway, we shall see what happens with the finances at my end. It may not get done this year. Next thing I need to do is fit a new set of tyres to the Softail Slim (thinking of Michelin Commander 3). Cheers from sunny Perth.

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@Jonathan-L cheers for the great feedback mate! It's nice to know my content is having a positive impact. If your going up to the stage 2 kit on your Twin Cam I wouldn't be concerned with the stock compensator, it'll hold up just fine. I really like the Wes's Cams they always sound really good & produce great numbers.

[@jamesharold4983]

Really liking the work you do. By the way, what kind of shoes you got on there?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Mate they are Harley-Davidson Midland.

[@charleyrider9775]

I had the 131 kit done by my local dealer here in the United States. Mine has the S.E tuner and auto tuners with a Vance and Hines Pro-pipe. My question is should I take to a dealer with a dyno and have them tune it or will the auto tuner do all of the work? Also can I expect power levels similar to what you got with the 131 kit?

[@MasterTechMiller]

I would expect you to get very similar HP & TQ however I can't speak for V&H pro pipe as I've never used one & I'm unsure of how it performs. I would assume it would be pretty good though. Also not sure what air filter setup you're using as that will effect it too. As for the auto tune.....it's not bad at all to be honest. It SHOULD be fine as long as they setup the correct target air/fuel ratio table. I reccomend a dyno tune for sure! It helps make sure the set target air/fuel is on point and the auto tune is doing what it's suppose to be doing. Dyno tuning it will also allow for peak HP & TQ being achieved as they will be able to adjust the spark advance to ensure you're getting the most out if it. I was running a max of 32 degrees advance on the base map I tuned up to get 137hp & 139ft/lbs. Hope this helps mate, let me know how you go with it, I'm keen to see how that pipe goes!🍻😎

[@charleyrider9775]

@@MasterTechMiller thanks for the info sir. Love the way yours sounds with the CR512 cam. I'm going to talk to my dealer and see if they will install it and not effect the warranty.

[@Spaded4life13]

Hey man I got a question it might be a stupid one but what is the best aftermarket pipe for the 2021 street bob and forward controls

[@kent1089]

Will Harley Davidson give you warranty on that cyclerama cam on a new bike?

[@MasterTechMiller]

No

[@alexmartin9951]

Are these new Lowriders and Streetbobs based on a Softail? I kinda miss the old Dynas, how do the new ones ride compared?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Yes that's right, all based on a softail. In my opinion they are a completely better motorcycle in all aspects. Sure, everyone loves their old Dyna's and how they perform, however this new frame which is much lighter & 30% stiffer makes for a much better riding experience. The Milwaukee8 engine delivers way more HP & TQ much easier & is by far a much better engine. The brakes & suspension are improved from the Dyna aswell.

[@lizotte50]

Hey brother which tuner should I use for this? I have the 131 installed and bought this cam.

[@MasterTechMiller]

I use the Direct Link USB Key from Technoresearch. They also have another option called Maximus which is exactly the same but it's an actual VCI that you can use to log data and do your own 'Road Tunes'. The direct link USB is approximately $439AUD The Maximus is roughly $750AUD

[@kristenmoon4405]

New to this stuff, but ai have a 2021 Fat Bob that I'll be doing a 131 kit on. I am curious, why go with a different cam if the 131 kit comes with an upgraded one already? Also you mention adding compression, what is that? Sorry for the dumb question.

[@MasterTechMiller]

The cam shaft that comes with the 131ci kit is far too reserved for trying to achieve the maximum potential from the kit. If you watch part 3 of the build series you will understand why adding compression is necessary when installing bigger cam shafts

[@dcxplant]

Make the drive train stronger at all?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Upgraded compensator ramp from Cyclerama in the Primary. That's it.

[@TeensierPython]

What is the solution for over-spec runout on the crank?

[@MasterTechMiller]

There are a few options. 1st is remove & replace the the crank with OEM crank. 2nd is have the out of spec crank trued up, welded & plugged. 3rd is buying an aftermarket crank such as an S&S or better yet a Dark Horse Crank

[@MasterTechMiller]

The engine should NOT be ran if the crank is out of spec. Further damage to the pil pump, cam plate, Primary drive components & more can result

[@thomastuorto9929]

Thanks for these vids. What was the stock compression on the 114" & what is it in this vid ? Probably should wait untill I watch pt3 to ask. Thank you for any replies in advance, if any. PS: How does the stock cranckshaft & bearings hold up to these builds, IYHO?

[@MasterTechMiller]

The stock crankshaft & bearings are fine if you want to daily ride a bike around 140hp & 140ft/lbs. If you want to go beyond that with the stock crank & bearings, you can but I recommend going to one of our trued, plugged & welded crankshafts. Let's be honest, if you want more than 140hp, chances are you don't want to just cruise around gently on it so that's why I suggest the upgraded crankshaft

[@MasterTechMiller]

Stock comp on the 114ci M8 is approximately 9.8:1

[@thomastuorto9929]

@@MasterTechMiller Thank you.

[@thomastuorto9929]

@@MasterTechMiller Thank you.

[@elton71737678]

What type of exhaust are you using?

[@MasterTechMiller]

This one has the D&D Fatcat

[@flytheedge]

Hey Tommy, where do you get those rubber bands that support the connecting rod with the cylinder studs?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Mate those are just the derby cover O-rings from Twin Cams & Early M8s

[@flytheedge]

@@MasterTechMiller LMAO! Right on! Thank you Brother!! I didn’t realize they stretched like that!

[@amphibdriver1]

Is there a way to stop the oil usage on the M8 touring engines? If I ride steady at 70 mph my 128 engine does not use any oil or if I pass slower traffic at up to 85 mph and then slow down to 70 mph. But, if I ride at a steady speed of 75-80 mph for even 40 minutes I have to add a half a quart of Harley synthetic oil. I have a 128-inch Fuel Moto build done by a four-star Harley mechanic that installed the Fueling oil pump, Fueling backing plate, S&S billet lifter cuffs, S&S lifters, Cycle Rama 483 cam, dyno-tuned Power Vision, Ventilator Extreme air filter, Fuel Moto RTX two into one exhaust, Fueling vented, oil dipstick, Trask vented transmission cover, DK Customs head vents into a catch can. Fuel Moto told my Harley mechanic to slowly vary the engine RPMs for twenty minutes at 2,500 RPM and then do the dyno tune. My Fueling oil pump does not have an O-ring on it, but the newest version Fueling Oil pump has an O-ring installed on it. Will the o-ring on the oil pump stop the oil consumption between oil changes?

[@MasterTechMiller]

There is alot to unpack here in this question. Let's start at the start. How many miles are on the engine? Has it always used this much oil since the build? Has any other accessory been added around the time you noticed it using oil?

[@amphibdriver1]

@@MasterTechMiller ---> I had been using the Harley synthetic 20/50 oil and recently switched to the Harley 360 non-synthetic, straight 60 oil and this stopped my oil usage. My owner's manual says to use non-synthetic 60 weight when the outside temps are 80 degrees or more.

[@alfredomiranda7002]

Very nice built. What cycle rama cam do recommend for an M8 114 that will perform better than the S&S 475C ?

[@MasterTechMiller]

There are quiet a few to chose from that will beat the S&S 475. The Cycle-Rama CR483 & the CR485. Both are available exclusively from www.alphaperformanceengines.com.au they can ship internationally without any issues. If you have Instagram, head over and check out my profile (link in video description) and you will see first hand just how amazing the 485 is. I am seeing 40hp increases over stock when using this cam with a good air filter and exhaust system

[@alfredomiranda7002]

@@MasterTechMiller Thank you so much for responding. No headwork required with the CR485?

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@alfredomiranda7002 No head work required. Direct bolt in Camshaft.

[@williamferril3274]

What exhaust system please .

[@MasterTechMiller]

This is the D&D Fatcat

[@davidcarbonneau3915]

How would the 114 react to a bit more compression a cam and cylinder head swap with good tune? Or would that just be a waste of time?

[@MasterTechMiller]

No it wouldn't be a waste of time, a little more compression with the high comp 114ci pistons with a good cam would see around the mid 130hp mark with a decent exhaust system.

[@briannorwell202]

Do you think the 512 is too much cam for a built 121"?

[@PriceTagOfficial]

Rough estimate on total price of stage 4 kit w/install? 2021 low rider S 👌🏼

[@MasterTechMiller]

Assuming you will need an air filter, exhaust system and tuning device along with the stg4 kit you are looking around $10,000aud

[@lizotte50]

I just had this done couple of months ago but I already had the stage 1 costs 6700.00

[@lizotte50]

USD

[@johnbeardsley7360]

come to the states and build my bike

[@MasterTechMiller]

Cover my air fares and I'm there!

[@johnbeardsley7360]

@@MasterTechMiller you mush have a Harley, what is it and how big is the motor?

[@MrAndrew1953]

Interested to know how many days it’s taken to get that engine up to this stage? Also if you can give a $$$ price for the kit, parts and ball park figure for labour get an idea of how much it would cost for this project. Personally I think stage 3 would do me.

[@MasterTechMiller]

I will get a more accurate quote/estimate together for you on Monday the 15th February. But to give you a rough idea, to build the kit from a stock 114ci to 131ci with the cyclerama camshaft takes about 12hrs in labour. All that being said a ROUGH idea on total cost from a stock 114ci to this exact setup will be around $8000 Australian dollars. That includes, the engine kit, exhaust system, tuning device, air filter, cyclerama camshaft & labour to build & dyno it. That is a 'ball park' figure. I will get a proper quote together if you like?

[@MrAndrew1953]

@@MasterTechMiller No that’s good enough for me thanks . I was guessing you wouldn’t get much change out of $10 K - maybe more given theAussie dollar exchange rate. Given the bike would be at least $25 K, that’s a pretty decent amount of money to have invested in a bike. Cam makes a big difference.

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@MrAndrew1953 when you look at like this.....we are getting very close to DOUBLING the Horsepower of the engine. No matter the displacement or engine configuration. A small block 350 chev is around 300hp. To double that and get 600hp is going to cost a very similar amount of money. It's all relevant when it comes to building reliable HP gains. Yeah sure, you cam buy blower & turbo kits that will end up being a lot cheaper but the internal components of the engine are almost always left stock and that is a recipe for certian disaster when boost is involved.

[@williamferril3274]

How about the stock primary chain tensioner ? Would a Hayden self adjusting be better .

[@MasterTechMiller]

Not particularly. The factory tensioner does a great job these days. It also has a built in detent on the shoe that can relieve the chain when tight spots occur. The aftermarker manual adjusters are set to the tightest point on the chain and that's it. There is not give or relief from those types.

[@williamferril3274]

@@MasterTechMiller Brilliant . Exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you MTTM Hey

[@williamferril3274]

Iam puting a Zipper's 128 kit with rs 472 cam ( int 211 dur 472 lift ex 235 and 470 ) .Darkhorse flywheel rebuild (0 to .0001 runout) man o war compensator . Rinehart 2-1 with HD extreme vent AC. 1275 springs in clutch. Flash DynoJet Anything you can add would be greatly appreciated Thank you Wil

[@MasterTechMiller]

Do not put the Rinehart pipe on it that's for sure. Go with a D&D Lowcat or Fatcat. I haven't used thsat cam before so i can't comment on expected numbers but I can say I would like to see a little more duration on the exhaust lobes.

[@MasterTechMiller]

I'm assuming that kit comes with a larger intake manifold & Throttlebody?

[@williamferril3274]

@@MasterTechMiller HD 55mm with 5.5gps

[@williamferril3274]

S n S 475 ?

[@williamferril3274]

Fat /low cat Got it

[@chunkyfxdls1878]

Awesome informative video again Tommy!! I’m just about to do the screaming eagle 117ci stage 4 kit on my dyna LRS. Would you have any recommendations on a different cam than the 259 that’s in the kit. Like your build there I’m having headwork, rocker lockers and new clutch. Oh have same exhaust so I’ll be gutted if it doesn’t sound so good 😩. Any advice would be well appreciated!! Stay safe mate 🤙🏼

[@MasterTechMiller]

Go with the Screamin Eagle 260 Cams. You'll make more power than the 259. The 260s have a very late closing time on the intake so you need to make sure you get your compression up nice and high to combat that. What heads are you using? The Factory CNC ported ones that come in the kit? If so, you'll want to take 30thou off the heads, use a 30thou MLS Head gasket, and make sure you have a zero deck height on the cylinders.

[@chunkyfxdls1878]

@@MasterTechMiller Yes using the factory CNC ported ones from the kit. I think Alex who’s doing the headwork was talking about getting at least 10:6.1 compression.

[@MasterTechMiller]

I would honestly be aiming for at 11:1 comp ratio hey.

[@chunkyfxdls1878]

@@MasterTechMiller Ok. I’d have to up my budget to achieve that maybe?

[@MasterTechMiller]

If your getting machine work done already it shouldn't cost any more than you've been quoted?

[@jodyleveille5816]

What are the specs on the cr 512 cam... can find any information on it.... thank you

[@MasterTechMiller]

Best option is to email the guys at Cyclerama. Hit up the website (link in description) & click the email button. Wes & Pam are great people and will have all the answers and specs for you mate.

[@markferguson9981]

curious about clutch and tranny to handle extra power

[@keith1127]

Hi Tommy, I decided to get the 131 kit on my 2018 114 Heritage , 512 cam ,upgraded clutch and oil pump . It produced 141HP and 156 ft p of torque which was more than expected. Its absolutely superb but the only issue I have is controlling it at steady speeds in 20mph and 30mph zones as it is quite jumpy and not as smooth as before . Is this normal ? am I doing anything wrong or do you think it hasn't been tuned correctly ??

[@MasterTechMiller]

That's awesome to hear your happy with the overall outcome of the build! More than likely the tune could be adjusted at that particular spot in an attempt to smooth it out. Sometimes however, the exhaust system can create a funny spot in the tune where you may experience this. What is the exhaust system you've got?

[@keith1127]

@@MasterTechMiller thanks for the reply, they are vance and hines ( not sure which) 2 into 2 which was pit on for the stage 1. Ive also only got the original air intake , but will be getting the screaming eagle ventilator extreme put on soon .I prefer the 2 into 2 exhausts what would you recommend ? or do you think another tune would be best first?

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@keith1127 yeah ok, well if you presented the motorcycle to me with that concern I would first take a look at the tune and see if I could tune it out. I'm almost certian that it could be tuned out in your case as the Vance&Hines pipes are very forgiving & relatively easy to tune. My recommendation for a 2-2 exhaust system is either the FREEDOM sharp curve radius, or the FREEDOM radical radius. Both of thos pipes have a small balance pipe between the 2 that helps with flow. They also produce more HP & TQ than the Vance&Hines big radius pipes.

[@keith1127]

@@MasterTechMiller Thanks Tommy , I will see about another tune and look at those pipes , shame your'e not here in the UK . Love the videos im so glad you inspired me to get the 131 kit with the 512 cam as one of the main reasons was to improve the sound and its awesome ! Will let you know how i get on , thanks for your advice and videos ! cheers Keith

[@MasterTechMiller]

No worries at all mate. Happy to help where I can 🍻👍

[@bap2139]

tryin to sell me that 114 derby cover ? you'll need to change yours

[@dummies1100]

Mr. Miller Sir, I have a Fatbob S with a S&S 128" kit, stock heads, and S&S 475. That kit is supposed to be 11 to 1 comp, What Cyclerama cam can I get away with using my stock heads?? And would that change away from my S&S 475 cam yield any gains? I feel like my current cam comes on strong but to early and ends to soon in the RPM range. Your thoughts please

[@MasterTechMiller]

So you're after more mid to top end performance? The Cyclerama CR470 would be a good option in that case. It does however benefit from slightly massaged cylinder heads to get the maximum potential from that cam but it will work with the stock heads.

[@MasterTechMiller]

instagram.com/tommy_twincam_miller/tv/CN3iORYnnu7/?

[@harley203cam]

@@MasterTechMiller thanks for your reply. You mentioned the CR-470 in your reply but sent me a link to the CR-483?? How do the two differ? No interest in the CR-512. You are correct in the dip the s&s 475 in the mid 2k range.

[@MasterTechMiller]

My reason for the link comparing the 475 to 483 was purely only to display the dip in the 475. I should have provided a little more information.

[@harley203cam]

@@MasterTechMiller Re-reading my last comment I stated "no interest in the CR-512".....I meant that as a question to you. I watched one of your videos using the 512 and you seemed to like it. My plan is to keep stock heads on my 128. And I must admit I do like the ss-4745 but hate that dip plus the ss475 in my 128" falls off pretty early in the RPM range. S&S 128 kit states 11.0-1 compression. I know they are probably a bit high on that stated compression. So CR470, CR-483, CR-512... fat Bob with 128"..... you say? I like being well over 100 ft lbs at 2000 rpm just want it to also carry out past 5000 rpm.

[@aronwroe1496]

What's it sound like compared to the S&S 475 on idle?

[@MasterTechMiller]

This thing sounds heaps better than the 475 Cam at idle and cruise. Don't get me wrong, the 475 still sounds pretty tough, but these cyclerama cams are next level!

[@aarondredge2535]

hey tommy, Aaron from Sydney Australia does it change if it's a crate 131 to a kit and changing the cam out what would you're options be with air filter exhaust and best tuner for max performance looking at a 2021 road glide

[@MasterTechMiller]

Hey mate. No, the 131 crate motor and the 131 kit are the exact same engine. I highly recommend using the Cyclerama CR512 Cam shaft as in this video. Along with this SE Ventilator air filter. The stock headers on the tourers work great too (as long as the cat has been removed). SE Street cannon slip ons or Rinehart slip (or similar) work great. It will still produce the same numbers as this Lowrider S did as the Stock Tourer header is basically a small 2-1 before it goes to the crossover pipe under the back.

[@aarondredge2535]

Do we have a retailer here in Australia for the Cam

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@aarondredge2535 yeah mate, hit up Alpha Performance Engines on FB

[@aarondredge2535]

@@MasterTechMiller tommy, When swapping the Cam out and done by harley will it avoid warranty on a new bike ?

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@aarondredge2535No matter who fits the Cam (dealer or independent shop) but because it's an aftermarket Cam, it will void the warranty.

[@riverwalkyachtsales9243]

will the cr 512 bolt in without new springs?

[@MasterTechMiller]

The CR512 requires larger valve springs, however the SE 131ci bolt on kit comes with CNC ported heads that have high lift valve springs already installed. You can't bolt this cam into a 114ci or 117ci without upgrading valve springs

[@riverwalkyachtsales9243]

@@MasterTechMiller I have a 131 crate, warranty up in 4 months. torn between the wood 77x and cr 512

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@riverwalkyachtsales9243 CR512 All day!

[@riverwalkyachtsales9243]

@@MasterTechMiller im looking for hard pulling low end torque I ride around 3k rpm mostly. still agree? also thanks for the replies you da man!

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@riverwalkyachtsales9243 I still suggest the CR512 mate

[@averydesjardins700]

What kind of seat is that? Can we get the link?

[@MasterTechMiller]

It's a SADDLEMAN seat. Model is step up. Colour is Brown. ironandresin.com.au/collections/saddlemen?gclid=CjwKCAjwyIKJBhBPEiwAu7zll2YpJERO0HoJFiqyB5Q2122IG3vVZEwig5-bVQlTQ733XNGRSOP1hRoCc3sQAvD_BwE

[@allan9584able]

would you fit a gear driven cam with 5 thou run out ?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Probably not. Most gear driven cams reccomend no more than about 4 to 5 thou run out.

[@michellukassen9585]

Nice a have streetglide cvo 2020 white a 131 kit This cam is Nice where can i buy this ?

[@MasterTechMiller]

cycle-rama.com

[@MasterTechMiller]

What power and torque does it currently make?

[@beardwrench]

U planning on fixing 3rd gear before it eats it's self?

[@MasterTechMiller]

😂🤣😂

[@locklantonkin8679]

Think I need ya to dyno my bike it’s a 07 Wilde glide with a 113 69 mm Throttle body

[@MasterTechMiller]

What cams has it got at the moment?

[@locklantonkin8679]

I’m not sure mate I mate call you next week I’m in Sydney but happy to ride there or send the bike if the prices are responsible

[@MasterTechMiller]

@@locklantonkin8679 I'll be looking forward to your call 👌 I have found that running the big throttle bodies can hurt the overall performance. Even on high compression 117 engines I still run the factory 50mm throttlebody. Your bike would have came stock with a 46mm TB. I would be more inclined to put a 50mm TB on it and tune it up. What happend with those big TBs is the the air speed through the intake is far too slow and therefore your port velocity is effected. Running a 50mm TB keeps the air speed nice and high, and provides great low end torque and is still able to supply enough air up the top. I will go into more detail if you decide to give me a call next week👌🍻🇦🇺

[@fxrst_anvers6976]

Does the 131 have to be run in (1600km) for the dyno?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Because I check & set the ring end gap it doesn't have to be 'run in' so to speak. I always heat cycle the engines a few times before I dyno tune them. Once on the dyno I always trim up the AFR values before any wode open runs are done. If the kit was simply bolted on without checking or setting any clearances I would definitely recommend a run in period of at least 1000km

[@fxrst_anvers6976]

@@MasterTechMiller Thanks for answering my question. I have a 131 and can't wait for the dyno👍🏻

[@emmanueljimenez7483]

What fairing is that

[@MasterTechMiller]

Genuine Harley-Davidson accessorie

[@billgonzales8978]

what cost$ for those numbers?

[@MasterTechMiller]

This particular setup is about $8000 from absolutely stock. If you already have a good air filter and decent exhaust along with a tuning device, it will save you thousands. What is your current bike & setup?

[@marccoleman1315]

please move to America

[@MasterTechMiller]

Please pay for me to move there hahaha

[@locklantonkin8679]

How’s ya Bread not grey but your hair is lol

[@MasterTechMiller]

🤣😂 No idea 🤷‍♂️ There are a few sneaky grey ones starting to appear in the beard.

[@billgonzales8978]

who can afford that cost?

[@MasterTechMiller]

Lots of people around here seem to be able to afford it without any hassles. It's definitely an expensive upgrade, but then again Harley Davidson is an expensive brand

[@moulis05]

Me