1400 Free Wavetables!? Talking New Machine Learning/AI Wavetables in KRC Mathwaves!

[@kcrosley]

Psst... KRC Mathwaves is on sale for just $12 using code XMAS at checkout, or just follow this link: www.wavetables.lol/l/wavetables/xmas

[@spikesingapore]

Great update. Many thanks Keith!!

[@kcrosley]

Heya! Thanks! Glad you like the new stuff!

[@Dmyra]

Very interesting work Keith great stuff

[@kcrosley]

Thanks for watching!

[@toddjbradshaw]

Outstanding work and contributition here Keith. Thank you.

[@kcrosley]

@@toddjbradshaw thanks for watching and for your kind comment!

[@StephenBlum]

We are West coast folk. I live in SF too. Seattle previously.

[@kcrosley]

@StephenBlum, thanks for stopping by and for your helpful videos! (Other AI/ML nerds here: Stephen's channel has some very useful videos about ML topics that I find very inspirational!)

[@StephenBlum]

@@kcrosley nice! thank you! 😊🙌

[@INeedsMoneys]

Btw, I have a request 😁 I would love a pack of thousands of wavetables that are based from more analog/subtractive style synth waveforms like saws, supersaws, squares, pulses etc. then have them morph in a more subtle manner. Like for example. A saw that morphs into another saw and in between is a variety of analog goodness such as noise, pitch/phase drift, subtle saturation, subtle filter drift etc. then i could have an lfo go back and forth on the table instead of using an envelope. i guess the new ones are something similar to this, I’ll have to check them out

[@INeedsMoneys]

And don’t forget sines. I looove me some glassy bells

[@kcrosley]

Hey @INeedsMoneys, I love the way you think and I suppose you won't be surprised that I've actually anticipated your needs. 😁... For glassy/bell-like timbres look no further than the "Pgon 16" wavetables from KRC Mathwaves volume 1. (Also, most of the wavetables in the VAE version 1xx collections. Try the "curve" variations.) See my original introductory video for a bit of guidance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oorNqJ-BnrqdgZI For wavetables that take the basic subtractive synthesis waveforms in new directions, see this video and the wavetables called "KRC Basic": kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJixfKlomNF-abM KRC Mathwaves vol 4 also explores the basic synthesis waveforms in a very novel way, and there's a video about that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2HGqGyrhMqIpKc For some talk about what is and what is not possible with wavetables (e.g., "pitch variations", which is not possible in the wavetable itself), see the discussion of making "analog sounding" patches with wavetable synths in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4nEqq2OoqlsoM0 I'm sorry that I'm just pointing you to videos, but these are really the best way to understand the evolution of this project and what the various collections represent. (I realize it's time-consuming, but it's easier than writing a thousand-page tome about what I've been up to here.)

[@INeedsMoneys]

@@kcrosley for sure. I believe I've seen most of the videos already but understand only half of it. You sure pitch can't be modulated within a wavetable? My understanding is that if you have a wave. Say a basic saw. And modulate the phase of that saw within a wavetable you will hear pitch variation. If phase of saw is moving left you hear pitch go up. And to the right pitch goes down. No? 🤔

[@krowus3833]

amazing

[@kcrosley]

Thanks for watching!

[@Emily_M81]

And here I thought that my 2010 Architecture's 25,000 single cycle waves was impressive lol

[@kcrosley]

@@Emily_M81 yeah… mine’s bigger.

[@kcrosley]

Super gratified by so many downloads of KRC Mathwaves sampler in the last day or so. I formally apologize to your spouse for all the weird noises coming from “the studio”. Be well.

[@StephenBlum]

1400 new free samples 🎉 that makes1600 wavetables in the free sampler nice!

[@StephenBlum]

Audio-based AI/ML is exciting! I've explored business-focused AI with Anomaly detection, classifications and predictions/projection. Audio is a whole new level 🚀❤

[@connorharris1900]

Hello and thank you! i need wavetables for scifi, robotic, dubstep, machinery, comutation etc. do you have an organization to the files? im disabled now and going thru 120k will be too hard on me. thanks in advance bro keep up the good work!

[@kcrosley]

@@connorharris1900 thanks for watching. In terms of the full collection, the wavetables are mostly organized as subcollections that are based *somewhat* by the type of synthesis used to create them. To get a better idea of this check out this video: Wavetable Synthesis: Basic Mix, Formant, and VOSIM Wavetables. New in KRC Mathwaves kzbin.info/www/bejne/hX3cfKufr5iDbJY That video also describes several categories of wavetables that I specifically designed with an eye toward potentially being useful in various types of bass music and the sorts of ideas that you mention. Note that my wavetables are based on mathematical and sonic concepts and are not designed as emulations of some particular instrument. (That, to me is the realm of sampling, really, and I don’t find wavetables to be interesting as a lo-fi substitute for samples. I should probably discuss that sometime in a future video!)

[@connorharris1900]

@@kcrosley I appreciate the hard work you put into this and the detail of your reply. ill check out some more of your videos so i can better understand. As an electronic music producer the most valuable thing to me is finding unique and high quality wavetables. They always need to be 256 “frames” for them to be usable for me. that way we can put a morphology on the sound that creates interest and a sense of luxury into the melodic aspect for listeners. Sometimes ill come accross a great wavetable but its only 24 frames deep. And for us theres really no fixing it because we cant spend all our time on programming wavetables when we need to invest that time into the other aspects of music production. So id like to thank you for being an important part of modern music , an essential part that is often a thankless task. thanks.

[@kcrosley]

@@connorharris1900 I appreciate the comment. Please note that, as I’ve explained in other videos, my wavetables have no more than 64 frames each. This is the de facto standard and makes no difference in most wavetables. You can hear an odd sort of aliasing in things like the Bezier Wavetables but it really makes no concrete difference in actual real world applications. It’s so minimal that I’ve not talked about it though it’s kind of interesting.

[@INeedsMoneys]

I bought the whole pack some weeks ago but was sooo overwhelmed by all of the waves and the lack of organization of them. Could you please create a document that describes the different folders and what to expect from them 😅 thanks. Because the way you have labeled everything makes zero sense to me as a musician. The new ones sound amazing by the way

[@INeedsMoneys]

Another thing you might find interesting is, when i extracted everything from the .zip files, some of them probably around 5 to 10% of them could not be extracted because windows said the file destination had a too long name. Basically the folder structure and with everything having such long names windows refused to unpack the .zip 😂

[@kcrosley]

@@INeedsMoneys thanks for your patronage! Yeah, unfortunately, the Windows file naming convention (and length limit) makes it such that if you unzip some of these files into a deeply-nested folder, you'll get errors. I'm a Windows user as well and understand the frustration. The only real solution to this is to unzip these files into a top-level directory like C:\waves (keep it short!). Note also that this doesn't so much happen with the wavetable files, but the deeply nested single-cycle waveform files in KRC Mathwaves vol. 1 that, frankly, it seems no one cares about. So, essentially, don't worry about that too much. (If you ARE interested in the single-cycle waveform files, I could provide you with a "flattened" folder of those.) I've tried to keep these collections format-agnostic, but for best results, I would recommend using Korg modwave native, which is really the only wavetable synth that supports large libraries. It greatly simplifies things as the .mwbundle files are monoliths that you can just import (and then delete whole categories that you find uninteresting). Note however, that there is a limit to the number of wavetables that modwave native can have in its library, and I think the entirety of the KRC Mathwaves collection now exceeds that limit (it's around 256,000 wavetables, but it seems to depend on the number of wavetable frames). It's sort of frustrating that all existing wavetable synth products don't optimally support large libraries. It's sort of like nobody imagined that you could have large libraries of useful wavetables with a size on the order of a couple of modern orchestral sample libraries. (Obviously things like Kontakt and Soundpaint don't have this sort of issue, but they have a different design goal.) It's not like the data size of KRC Mathwaves is terribly huge by modern computing standards (it's maybe 11 Gigabytes or so in total?), but there's nothing that supports that well. As far as documentation, it's true that it exists mostly as video, which isn't ideal. KRC Mathwaves volume 1 is organized by the specific type of algorithm used to create the original waveforms, plus things like the RAIM collection (my own weird interpolation technique), Mband collections (going between 2 randomly-selected waveforms) and the other "explore" variations. After that, the types are mostly very large collections created with "meta" techniques that (for better or worse), result in, well, large collections of wavetables where the content is unpredictable/stochastic. KRC Mathwaves vol 4 is more structured and is described in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2HGqGyrhMqIpKcsi=N3x69m3lD0xZErJX All of the "VAE" wavetables collections are grouped by type (e.g., Bez, Curve, Linear, Multilinear, etc.) and the number in the collection name indicates the version number of the model used (which doesn't map in any strongly meaningful way to the qualities of the generated waveforms, just that each is useful and interesting in its own way). I realize this is a weird product and am continually working to improve the experience. I didn't imagine that it would ever reach the scope that it has. I think about things like a script or small app that might serve up more manageable collections of randomly-selected wavetables, but haven't quite gotten there yet.

[@INeedsMoneys]

@@kcrosley I really appreciate the response. Makes sense. You do you, I'll work with it as is. No problem. I will just have to accept to be surprised every time I pull one up I guess 😆 like a lottery, but you can't really loose

[@kcrosley]

@@INeedsMoneys I swear that someday I’ll do a “Best of” collection or two to sort of help new users orient themselves, but I’ll have to stop continually adding new Wavetables for a hot second!

[@lightemam]

Thanks for this interesting presentation. At 20:24, you express your reservation about having spoken in such technical detail as you did, your expression suggests a feeling of isolation in your intellectual and creative expressions. Is this correct? I empathize with you! But I enjoyed your talk here very much and wish for a more complete description of your processes and techniques. (Like you, I have abilities in music, artistry, mathematics and software development/engineering.) I'm surprised the music you generate from these mathematical relationships sounds as appealing as it does, even allowing for your introduction of limited post-processing. Here's a video concerning Fibonacci sequences extended to negative, real and even to complex fields. You might be inspired watching the author's development of his topic and his graphical representations of his results. Complex Fibonacci Numbers? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZnbgnRpq9ubqc0 I hope this proves good for you.

[@kcrosley]

Hey there, @lightemam, thanks for watching and for your thoughtful comment! Your question is interesting. Of course, one reason that I stop and pause like that and ask, "Is this interesting to you?" is that positive feedback and engagement is more rare than you might think. (For example, I used to think that the KZbin trope of asking for likes and subscribes was sort of "cheesy", but it turns out that if you don't do that, you get far fewer likes and subscribes and you're not as visible as you could be! I will never say "smash the button", however. 😏) A lot of experimentation of the type that I do is a lonely pursuit and I think that most creatives feel like they work in isolation from time to time. One thing that's awesome about KZbin is that you can find a sort of community of like-minded weirdos who are interested in the same sorts of things that you are, regardless of how obscure those things might be. Also, I make no bones about the fact that I am, at the same time, *marketing* a product here and trying to find a market. (And it's super gratifying to me when people try it out or buy it.) Anyway, I appreciate your empathy! One thing that is interesting about this particular video is that it *has* been well received, and one of the top viewed videos in the channel. I'm always trying to find a balance between self-promotion and sharing thoughts about other music tech products, without turning this into the typical "gear tube" channel. I have to feel really strongly (positive or negative) about something to want to talk about it here.

[@lightemam]

@@kcrosley Thanks very much for your reply.

[@hanzvolt]

idk sounds kinda thin... ill keep my synths

[@HJPhilippi]

Thin? Perhaps you mean that these wavetables seem to lack a massive bottom end? Indeed, Keith tends to play the higher notes... In any case, they work well in arrangements where the bass comes from other sounds and I absolutely love the vocal/formant touch many of those wavetables have. Perfect for my purposes! 😊

[@kcrosley]

We are literally listening to the sound of a single oscillator here, my dude. 🤷‍♂️

[@kcrosley]

@@HJPhilippi I should do a whole video about bass. There’s actually a lot of interesting stuff to say about that vis-a-vis wavetables. (For example, if you shift a waveform with a lot of zero-crossings very low, the fundamental will essentially disappear and high-frequency stuff that is usually above Nyquist will become audible and this can be very interesting. The polygonal series waveforms and things like the Bell series - both found in Math Vol. 1 - are good for exploring this effect.) I do in fact tend to stay away from playing much in the bass in my videos as my recording environment is cramped and what you never see is that there’s usually just a hardware modwave or wavestate to my right as my controller (so just 3 octaves of keys). Also, my left hand skills are laughably weak 😜.

[@kcrosley]

Note to self: Make “My left hand is for the mod wheel” t-shirts.

[@HJPhilippi]

@@kcrosley Same here. I will buy one. 😂