#151

This week Moshe and Natasha welcome love coach and Moshe’s Burning Man friend Shaun Galanos (@thelovedrive)! They discuss playa names, if polyamory ever works, and Shaun’s past as an erotic masseuse. Then they respond to a few written questions on cheating, supporting a trans spouse through transitioning, age gaps, and more!
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[@gingerhitzke9185]

I love that Moshe protects Natasha with his mind. With logic. With directness.

[@heatherm2542]

I live in SF -- "You lost me at Buuurning Man" is gonna play thru my head for-ever

[@4SherylB]

My favorite part of all these podcasts is the talk between Moshe and Natasha. The real talk about their lives and their child. There will be chatter between the two of them with Moshe saying, "You just say the word and I'll be down the road" (and I have no doubt he'd be very successful with the ladies -younger ones too, probably). But then Natasha will throw in a curve ball where she says, "I'd never cheat on you" and - not that it's any of my business -- I hope that they stay together.

[@CaptPicard81]

It seems like they're starting to find each other super annoying sometimes. I hope that stops happening

[@hellocat9512]

Im in a successful poly relationship for 6 years and happier than ever. I know many others who are successfully and happily poly as well.

[@davidadams2395]

She's right about Burning Man and Disney. I feel revulsion anytime either institution is mentioned.

[@anisedeer]

I have a 4 year old too & im over here kicking myself for not thinking of the sharpie on the arm trick 🙌🏼.

[@adamland7672]

“We weren’t on the same wave length; the same life length” was the funniest unintentionally funny comment of the series so far.

[@j0eyp0ps]

I love how the original was up for about 30 minutes, then pulled down, and re-uploaded 2 hours later with Natasha's Disney rant cut out. The Mouse is powerful, huh?

[@elimunn6229]

I caught it too. I love how everyone is afraid to call out D****y.

[@zeyadhamza8791]

Lol how long was her original rant if the opening got edited down? Or was it somewhere else haha

[@felinality263]

@@zeyadhamza8791 it was quite some minutes 😂

[@robnorwood3591]

The moderator is a loose cannon. No rhyme or reason.

[@wiremotherclothmother]

I mean, it’s my guess she’s not trying to leave any Disney money on the table should they ever come knocking on her door.

[@carolinestevenson2476]

Damn, Natasha really needs a break. She is just straight up grumpy the whole time.

[@indigobrighteyes]

Wow I really appreciated this conversation

[@thelovedrive]

I'm happy to hear that.

[@Naejakire3]

Love him. He could do easily bs the "we never go out, only physical.. Why?" but he's being real in saying that he doesn't know.. There could be so many reasons.

[@messengerofgoodnews]

OMGGG Natasha!!! How could you NOT want this??!! 😂🎉🎊🥰

[@irelandoreilly1575]

Awesome pod awesome guest I'll be following him now...(not for a massage lol. but for his experience and knowledge!)

[@thelovedrive]

Welcome aboard!

[@scritchproductions]

I really enjoyed this episode. It was interesting to have a relationship coach on and I enjoyed the spicy bants between N & M.

[@wtt2108]

This podcast should have more views.

[@CombustibleLint]

Know what's funny? The first time I met Shaun (while working for BMan) he asked me to marry him. True story. He said I reminded him of Maybe from Arrested Development 🤣

[@thelovedrive]

I stand by that proposal 100%! I don't make those kinds of gestures lightly, Rusty!

[@CombustibleLint]

@@thelovedrive I'll keep this in mind in case I'm ever in need of Canadian citizenship. Have fun in Europe!

[@Citizen_Krang]

Maebe*

[@irelandoreilly1575]

That's from a experienced massage therapist w/ 13 years experience!! (Non-sexual!!)

[@timgreenglass]

"i read an article, maybe youve come across it.." (brilliant)

[@ersimn]

Really nice episode

[@Demunicator]

100% team Natasha

[@colle31]

I adored this episode. I think this should become more of a common concept for the show. Two comedians and an expert (not sure what this guy’s credentials are). You could have on a range of psychiatrists and therapists. Like Loveline. Anywho. Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this episode.

[@thelovedrive]

Thanks for the lovely feedback. I have a degree in communication, a coaching certificate, certified as a rape crisis counselor, and have been doing this work for 7 years. I agree though, it was a fun format!

[@mnnvikes101]

you should check out Moshe's old podcast. Hound Tall. He'd have an expert on in some esoteric field and 2 or 3 other comediens. Then the expert would discuss their field while the comedians asked questions and riffed. It was great.

[@robertmiller4264]

Moshes podcast called The Hound Tall is close to that. It's great, check it out on Spotify!

[@causeimdeep]

Massage guy: I offer something different, otherwise there's just slimy guys on Craigslist Massage guy 5 minutes later: you found my ad on Craigslist

[@thelovedrive]

I was the non-slimy guy on CL 😌

[@bryanminugh9680]

( 1:18:00 mark) I've NEVER heard: "Yo' Vinny, check out the toilet-cloggers on her!"

[@Naejakire3]

Some say people pleasing is selfish. You're doing what's easy (saying yes instead of confrontation) and then perpetuating this "martyr" mindset, when you're really an adult who has choice. You can think "I'm mad at them for making me do this, I'm just such a good person" but not being honest isn't being a good person. Being a martyr isn't being a good person by default.

[@edgarohito4662]

The amount of strays Estonia caught was hilarious

[@brentatvogue]

This is past “crumbling marriage vibes”; we are now solidly in “Scenes from a Marriage.” I hope it’s just a (real) rough patch. Watching this was like 😬

[@lmpnchi9416]

I wonder what percentage of people posting about their marriage are actually married...

[@colle31]

Yeah, I keep liking Moshe more and more…um…I’ll stop there.

[@bthompson1108]

@@colle31 SAME!!!

[@fufuberry23]

oh man! so excited for this one! i love his IG

[@thelovedrive]

Thanks for the love!

[@MrChinchinola]

this is starting to feel like the inevitable divorce podcast :P

[@Sadie33]

💀

[@fufuberry23]

that would be a fantastic series finale

[@Naejakire3]

Natasha, you need to know your worth and feeling OK with boundaries. You should feel safe to know that you can say no to Moshe and he will still love you. It's easy to say yes but then we become passive aggressive, which causes resentment for both people. It ends up hurting your relationship

[@bradf5523]

Honesty without compassion is cruelty is the saying

[@Penellabella]

Late comment cause I'm on a deep dive... I think Natasha's disdain for Disney Land and Burning Man is likely an aversion to chaos and crowds. I am the same way and places like that are a nightmare for me. I can 100% relate to Natasha on this. So I had to comment even if it is 8 months later.

[@chrise1803]

Natasha is such a hater in this episode i love it😭💀

[@sabbeyroad]

I also feel like her hater energy is magnetic 😂

[@Pandi-Fackler]

She’s been on such a roll these past few episodes! Though when is she not really? 😂

[@robnorwood3591]

It's her persona. And her real personality. I can relate.

[@roberth7894]

This guy looks like a Dr. Drew of sensual massage. Yeah, our culture has a lot of shitty rules about pleasure and hopefully we'll all be in a better place with it in coming generations.

[@thelovedrive]

I'll take that as a compliment! I grew up on Loveline.

[@sabbeyroad]

No more "I love you's" at the end of the episode is lightweight bumming me out, guys. Hope y'all are okay.

[@drunkwizard]

The love is still there... I can see it!!

[@sabbeyroad]

@@drunkwizard 🤞

[@auraholyultimababybaby9367]

I see some people bashing my girl in the comments and I think it's over dramatic. Moshe & Natasha are obviously pretty open with each other and I think it makes a lot of people mad uncomfortable because their own relationships are nothing like that. Do I think they're going through sh_t? Yeah, it's called life. If you're typing here rooting for a divorce, you're wack.

[@lmpnchi9416]

Still rooting for Moshe's burning man hall pass tho ;)

[@auraholyultimababybaby9367]

@@lmpnchi9416 Lol if he likes it, I love it.

[@ahoytherekaty]

The way people pathologize and demonize Natasha’s light hearted riffing on a podcast is mind numbing at this point. It’s like they want her to be a villain for having jokes and bad feelings during traumatic times.

[@carolyntalbot947]

Something needs to change. I'm listening to these out of order (often half-listening while doing menial tasks) but it's impossible to miss the contempt she has for him and his juvenile narcissism. She obviously enjoys his fawning and exerts dominance in the relationship but the dynamic is ultimately toxic. He wants so badly to make her jealous, but what she demonstrates is disgust. If they are staying together for the sake of their child and enmeshed careers they need to see a good therapist. It isn't much fun to hear the passive-aggressive digs and casual cruelty they pass off as banter during some episodes.

[@auraholyultimababybaby9367]

@@carolyntalbot947 Yeah you shouldn't watch.

[@solsallee6638]

Natasha needs a nap

[@pearstrike]

fantastic guest, have him on again

[@jamesmarie]

Open relationship, here. A primary and a girlfriend.

[@SWHBOYCE]

5:44 A minor correction ; Kurt and Goldie are not married . ( 2 I've the same distain for Disneyland as Natasha ! , especially in Orlando . ( check out the Florida Project on Netflix , for starters ! ) Love yeeer show !!! ...are all the dogs well ? , I've only noticed two lately .

[@Leavemealonejesus]

Natasha had this guy's number from the beginning, the fact that he expects us all to believe that he is sooo innocent and just this "love doctor" is so ridiculous. this is how Nexium started 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@thelovedrive]

I have a job opening you might be interested in.

[@Leavemealonejesus]

@@thelovedrive what is it?

[@erintheokay]

It's always a single "relationship coach." Like, yes, can't wait to hear all about your current relation........oh. Loved that Natasha just barely held back.

[@Leavemealonejesus]

@@erintheokay yes exactly, I feel like I would be the same as her in that kind of situation

[@brownbrownpony]

Natasha is right about D*land "there's been a shift".

[@teenidol18]

I love that he says, "I'm not some creepy guy from Craigslist" but the second Moshe begins his role-playing scenario by saying, "How did I find you?" He responds, "Well you probably found me on the womenseekingmen forum on Craigslist, but then I showed you my website!". I guess only credible people have websites.

[@teenidol18]

And to clarify, because I'm pretty sure Moshe suggested at one point that he's "licensed", but the guest has a certificate in coaching....like every other guru on the planet.

[@thelovedrive]

Who cares 😂

[@claudiasolanobirch4028]

That was hilarious Craigslist response! At least he was trying to offer a legit service.... Kudos to the ladies who gave it a try

[@claudiasolanobirch4028]

So much good stuff! 9s and above! I loved the whole conversation and exchange of banter! P.S. Natasha in denial about erotic massage, she's the target audience! 🤣

[@Qualia.]

As for age gap relationships- I'm 38 and my husband's 60 and it has always just felt so right. We met...we fell in love... Simple as. No pretenses. I've never loved or have been loved more.

[@jrt8268]

Yikes

[@MarcelinoSoliz]

Disneyland is too expensive way too much for anyone.

[@SnacksMpls]

Would y’all have Howard Kremer on already!?! Also Megan Beth Keoster and have Sabrina Jiles back please!! Love the show!

[@allthatjazzspaz95]

Still unsure if this is a real guy or a guy doing a character, this would be a great snl sketch

[@thelovedrive]

I don't think I could sustain a character with these two for that long. I'll take it as a compliment though.

[@karafitz2333]

Did we all just watch the big D in progress?! Wholly cow!!🤣🤣🤣

[@jennyonthespectrum4581]

The thing is, I never got to have a primary person who wants to marry me . . .and now everyone's getting greedy and wants to stay in their marriages and have extras. It doesn't seem fair. I'm going to die alone unless someone starts making male robot companions. (most people say "polyamory" but what they mean is they want to f&*k other people on the side. No one with a job has time to actually having loving relationships that are fulfilling for everyone involved with multiple people). I do get jealous, but I've never cheated. I think that stereotype actually was believed by my boyfriend and he thought I was cheating. I wasn't even though he wasn't physical. So, I'd appreciate people not making assumptions and spreading false statements like that. It's the same as people who think us with ASD have not emotions and keep telling others that lie. You can't make generalizations, especially when you know nothing about the topic.

[@clevermissfox]

I dont believe he was making generalizations, he was telling an anecdote about a pattern he recognized in sponsees in NA who showed signs of jealousy , that they had history of cheating on partners. The universe will send you the man of your dreams- when you're ready for him! Maybe take Natasha's advice about writing down your must haves, would-be-nices, hard passes.

[@lmpnchi9416]

Gonna presume everyone who's hating on Natasha's attitude or their marriage or whatever has just come through a 2 yr pandemic with flying colors, no trauma/ptsd, all thriving relationships,.etc. Right? Jeeezus

[@TheMarxma]

Invite Joel Kim Booster, please!!!

[@thatonegirlfrank5639]

Shaun is fine AF. This is my marriage proposal too

[@ryanr8645]

my mom calls my brother eeyore

[@jennyonthespectrum4581]

Online dating is not great for women. The algorithm prevents anyone from even seeing your profile if you're over 35. I think the best bet is moving to a different country or building a male robot.

[@auraholyultimababybaby9367]

lol

[@jrt8268]

I know Natasha's whole stage persona is being toxic but it's starting to not feel like an act anymore with Moshe lol

[@solsallee6638]

"...and now there's nuclear war" lol drama

[@schoolboycubemaster1465]

I 100000% support sex work and anyone providing loving touch for others as a service. However be clear about what it is. If you are not a licensed massage therapist, you have NO place to be marketing "massage" "treatments." This is a murky space and something that massage professionals have been fighting for many decades to create safety for both us and our clients.

[@teenidol18]

You’re absolutely right. I brought this up too, and his response is “Who cares”.

[@thelovedrive]

It’s a happy ending massage. I’m not sure how else to describe it. “Loving, sensual body touch” just doesn’t have the same ring. I’m aware of the challenges your industry faces legitimacy and unfortunately, erotic massages (and the marketing around them) are here to stay.

[@figgettit]

he's hot. and totally undatable.

[@thelovedrive]

My loss 😭

[@anisedeer]

@@thelovedrive you’re amazing & I hope you become a regular. I have one burning question: did YOU ever get attached to any of the massage ladies that you helped?

[@thelovedrive]

@@anisedeer Thanks for the love! I did not, though it did affect my dating life and eventually chose to stop doing massage to focus on my own love life!

[@figgettit]

@@thelovedrive case rested.

[@jonwhitehead5426]

9s & Above Sensual Massage!!

[@thelovedrive]

MrMosh.Kosh got me good!

[@jonwhitehead5426]

@@thelovedrive LOL. It was funny, but I really enjoyed the podcast. You have a talent for understanding love and relationships. Keep up the good work!

[@figgettit]

​@@jonwhitehead5426 he gives good but straightforward advice. without two comedians there introducing more challenging/interesting questions/paradoxes, he doesn't really offer much insight into the doublebind of relationships.

[@matthewhorgan2342]

you should have Margaret Cho to discuss poly again

[@robnorwood3591]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see any women falling for this. P.S. For $400 the success percentage should be 100%.

[@thelovedrive]

Who cares 😂

[@lmpnchi9416]

^Dude who makes 100% of his new partners come every time^

[@cjharrison161]

This guy gives me the creeps big time

[@a.b3748]

A therapist could do the job of a “love master” so much better with professional training but women want a random hot guy to tell them what to do

[@thelovedrive]

Yes and no. Some folks need to hear it from a random hot guy because of their aversion or their experience with therapy. Also, most therapists aren’t as approachable or comfortable on camera. And they generally don’t give advice. Thanks for chiming in.

[@florencemarie223]

@@thelovedrive i think you‘re really misinformed about what therapists do. a lot of them do actually give advice! That is for sure the whole point of behavioural therapy

[@emgee8618]

Oh my GOD. NATASHA. stoppit. She makes the pod feel so uncomfortable. The disdain she has for Moshe and all men (i hate men too but god damn) is too much. It’s so hard to listen to the podcast anymore. Divorce Moshe if you hate him so much jesus.

[@garrettgrant1264]

I feel uncomfortable when people on the internet try to run other people’s marriages

[@rachelblack8762]

Holy cow is Natasha insufferable in this one. 😐

[@robnorwood3591]

Natasha is always funny and enjoyable. I believe she is speaking for the majority of women here.

[@rachelblack8762]

@@robnorwood3591 By complaining and interrupting the whole time? I don’t think so. As a woman, I disagree. P.S. I usually like her and think she’s funny, but she was not pleasant in this episode.

[@Kazekoge101]

@@rachelblack8762 I think it was from a real life disagreement that was off-podcast so they’re more confrontational instead of their usual funny making fun of each other. The guy was a little strange though, just bringing up the erotic massage job in the middle of the interview 😂

[@thelovedrive]

@@Kazekoge101 I didn't bring it up 😂 Moshe was dying to talk about it.

[@lmpnchi9416]

Gods forbid a woman not be pleasant 24/7, even on their own g.d. show,.right?

[@Leavemealonejesus]

also I promise you two WILL be subpoenaed at some point for promoting this cult leader

[@bthompson1108]

Yikes.

[@megvolk]

I haven’t finished this yet but I already am so skeptical of this fucking scammer lol

[@megvolk]

Finished and feel the same way

[@thelovedrive]

@@megvolk thanks for the love, hun!

[@clevermissfox]

@@thelovedrive 🤣 I was also an erotic masseuse, and felt the same about being grateful to provide a service to people who need a loving touch. So happy for you to hear you're feeling fulfilled in the way your career has evolved.