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15F Punishers Ranked WORST to BEST | Data Comparison | TEKKEN 8

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MishimaComplex

MishimaComplex

Күн бұрын

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@bentzacka
@bentzacka Ай бұрын
important to note that leroy's 15f punish rotates the opponent to face leroy directly, meaning leroy does not have to do a different combo and sacrifice damage if he were to sidewalk an opponent and launch them.
@jumbopiece2301
@jumbopiece2301 Ай бұрын
How many Jun's have you fought that made you think THAT was her best 15f punish?
@DOGRE__
@DOGRE__ Ай бұрын
I found it a little funny the video opens with that example lol
@Uchiha_Sasuke209
@Uchiha_Sasuke209 Ай бұрын
for Jun db1 1 1+2 is probably better more dmg and heals also triggers wall breaks
@HoDoBoDo
@HoDoBoDo Ай бұрын
Mistake at the end, Claudio's i15 launcher is df1,2 not df2,1.
@avoidthevo1d
@avoidthevo1d Ай бұрын
The bear's 15f launcher is arguably the best 15f punish considering the range it has. Bears can launch punish moves that others struggle to. Jack's atlus hammer? Kazuya's new string? No problem
@SebuTK
@SebuTK Ай бұрын
Confused on why Shaheen’s hop kick is so much lower compared to Claudio seeing as it’s the same move, albeit Claudio out ranges by a measly .01. Shaheen should be 2nd here imo
@vlight9713
@vlight9713 Ай бұрын
true i am a claudio main myself
@alexonstott4954
@alexonstott4954 Ай бұрын
I think it's an overall character ranking. Claudio's df1,2 is much better than shaheens other option
@SebuTK
@SebuTK Ай бұрын
@@alexonstott4954 that’s not the move I’m talking about. Also, please explain how df1,2 is better than a low crushing hop kick, which they both have and it has the same range
@alexonstott4954
@alexonstott4954 Ай бұрын
​@@SebuTKhalf the cast has a low crushing hop kick. Claudio is better because df1,2 is much better than Shaheen df2
@rasaa7227
@rasaa7227 24 күн бұрын
Nina's b1+4 is underrated. It leads to the highest damage at i15 among the whole cast (95 dmg in open space without rage, heat or walls). Plus it has big range and launches crouching opponents.
@ChayBenji
@ChayBenji Ай бұрын
Cant believe I have to qualify this but I've seen people yapping in the comments...It's a punishment tierlist. How safe the move is doesn't matter, just the range and the reward, damage / oki. Also, some launchers were shown in prior iterations of this series, this is strictly i15, go watch them. Though Jun's i15 punish is db1,1,1+2*
@Gorecatto
@Gorecatto Ай бұрын
Werent electrics shown at 14f ? Am i tripping ?
@ChayBenji
@ChayBenji Ай бұрын
@Gorecatto Ah yes my mistake I forgot!
@SmellyYT
@SmellyYT Ай бұрын
While that is a completely true argument, I still kinda think having a safe launcher is important. You're not always going to react to every move on time or there are times when the game takes your input late due to lag or whatever, especially when you've guarded moves that are hard to perfectly react like Leroy's ff2,2 or Jin's samsara. I would also consider ease of use as well. Like dvj's 15 launcher for example, here it's number 2 on the list but the fact that it's a move with a down command(which isn't usual for a 15f launcher) and the fact that it's death sentence on block, most people don't usually think about it constantly, making it slower to use reactively. I think, psychologically, having a safer and easier-to-use move would make you think about it more and thus make it more reliable to be used on reaction. Including what you've said, I think the video is pretty pointless when it comes to practicality and in-game usefulness. Also, the factors that were considered in the rankings were really vague and lacked explanation(I understand he wanted the video to be short and simple). That's why I think people are really critical in the comments. Personally, I also have gripes such as how is Lee worse than Feng, how is Victor only 15th on the rankings, and while I get that combo damage wasn't a factor what's the point of having good damage if the combo route is so limited and leads to having very poor combo.
@bignate
@bignate Ай бұрын
Only d/f+4,4,3 is guaranteed for Raven. f,f+4 only hits if the opponent moves on the ground.
@NM-rj4gk
@NM-rj4gk Ай бұрын
Yeah I was wondering why he didn’t just complete the string
@GloryBlazer
@GloryBlazer Ай бұрын
Honestly the important information here is highest damaging punisher for i15, not specifically i15. Also the next important parameters are range of the punisher, ammount of hits before combo, the way in which it launches them and following combo routes. None of this has been factored in, making the video pointless outside of showing which chars don't have i15 launcher.
@ahnixcreations
@ahnixcreations 27 күн бұрын
I get that electric is impractical as a punish, but jet upper is bufferable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so you’d think it counts. These picks feel pretty arbitrary.
@EricSamaNYC
@EricSamaNYC 22 сағат бұрын
Raven also has F4 into FF2
@queencard97
@queencard97 Ай бұрын
People dont realize Xiaoyu has really good punishments
@Comrade_Questions
@Comrade_Questions Ай бұрын
I don't get any of the ranking at all tbh. What "stats" are taken into account? How is Shaheen low tier when Claudio is up high, when their hopkicks are the same range? Why is Nina in top 10 when her df2 is stubby and b1+4 is 2 hits? How does that make her i15 punish better than Lee's? His are just as short ranged.
@lznoswt
@lznoswt Ай бұрын
these comments make it obvious how bad reading comprehension is in the US.
@MrSamuelAdam4
@MrSamuelAdam4 Ай бұрын
I'm sorry but this list is horrible & you missed some too.
@Linoangelo00
@Linoangelo00 Ай бұрын
Yoshimitsu hopkick goes over mids and high. Def top 5
@sameerkhan12670
@sameerkhan12670 Ай бұрын
Kazuya needs a 15 frame launcher and I know that EWGF exists, but in online matches it is hard to punish with EWGF
@TheDocbach
@TheDocbach Ай бұрын
They haven't given him an easy 15 frame punish for well over 4 Tekken titles. It's pretty much a part of the characters identity. He is notoriously execution heavy.
@M1ROHPLAY
@M1ROHPLAY 12 күн бұрын
@@sameerkhan12670 he has df1,2 heat dash launcher
@w_smith_1990
@w_smith_1990 Ай бұрын
Another guide let’s go ❤
@SeanMz
@SeanMz Ай бұрын
Lee's acid storm has really good range I think it's top10
@MrYourDry
@MrYourDry Ай бұрын
Leaving a comment for your analytics
@myspaceuser
@myspaceuser Ай бұрын
that jun punishment is wrong lol
@YellowFellow86
@YellowFellow86 Ай бұрын
Wouldn't have thought Leroy's would be that good?
@M1ROHPLAY
@M1ROHPLAY Ай бұрын
Raven has f4 > ff2
@farhadnouroozi3378
@farhadnouroozi3378 Ай бұрын
How shaheen and lee are that low? Lees f333 ia probably most conaistant i15 punish in the game Your videos dont make sense
@kolaman18
@kolaman18 Ай бұрын
Half of these should not connect
@Dreadnaugh7Class
@Dreadnaugh7Class Ай бұрын
Get your key input display corrected...the command direction input of 2 hit 15f launcher is correct...but the 2nd hit key is displayed first. Rest of the vid is great...keep it up 👍😊
@ego_destructor
@ego_destructor Ай бұрын
Please make anti Alisa video 🙏
@jorgerojasmundotropicaltra64
@jorgerojasmundotropicaltra64 Ай бұрын
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@ejrodriguez5719
@ejrodriguez5719 Ай бұрын
anti-Alisa guide please 🥺🥺
@danielsteffee7957
@danielsteffee7957 Ай бұрын
Nonsense. Yoshimitsu was ranked 13th, yet has maybe the best df2 in the game, because it's safe (-7 ob) and launches crouching opponents on CH or on hit +4s~+5s. I don't know of any other safe df2 that can launch crouching. And others, like Paul's, are good for their evasive properties. Yet Devil Jin is ranked 2nd despite having none of this?
@squiddyseut6103
@squiddyseut6103 Ай бұрын
It doesnt launch crouching, also this video is for punishment and not application (evasion and safety)
@GoodnightWonderland
@GoodnightWonderland Ай бұрын
Reina can do df3,2 to access wind god fist without execution for punishment, in heat it's a true electric, it's very conssistent so imo she should be higher
@Gorecatto
@Gorecatto Ай бұрын
Technically she (and kazuya) could be in first place in 13f punishers But he did said that didnt want to consider combo damage, just mostly the range
@filippo1420
@filippo1420 Ай бұрын
it's not i15
@enerdgeticu
@enerdgeticu Ай бұрын
I personally think yoshimitsu has the best 15f with his df2. It dodges high attacks like jabs and is safe at -7 if blocked!
@riceyboi7069
@riceyboi7069 Ай бұрын
Remember, he's talking about it as a 15f punisher, not just as a 15f launcher. I think range is a big factor here, since Jin and Devil Jins cancan are really shit moves to just throw out, but as punishers they have great range and lead to 90+ combo dmg routes.
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 Ай бұрын
Paul, Hwoarang, Lee, Shaheen, Law, Nina, with the same df2, lookin at this comment like 👀
@enerdgeticu
@enerdgeticu Ай бұрын
@@Dr.Happy11 theirs do not duck highs
@enerdgeticu
@enerdgeticu Ай бұрын
@@riceyboi7069 is that why Claudio was ranked no.1? Cause of the range of both the 15f?
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 Ай бұрын
@@enerdgeticu They do jab crush, similarly to Yoshi's.
@loupast7587
@loupast7587 Ай бұрын
Why is xiaoyu in 6th place? There many 15f launchers more better and safer than hers
@ChayBenji
@ChayBenji Ай бұрын
It's a punishment tierlist. How safe the move is doesn't matter, just the range and the reward, damage / oki.
@loupast7587
@loupast7587 Ай бұрын
@@ChayBenji oh i see
@facha8089
@facha8089 Ай бұрын
Leroy's df2 is i16
@hunters.hideout
@hunters.hideout Ай бұрын
nuh uh, max range
@facha8089
@facha8089 Ай бұрын
​@@hunters.hideoutOh, I see, thanks
@shvrberi
@shvrberi Ай бұрын
Reina shouldn’t have df2. Learn to electric, you lazies
@atlante4368
@atlante4368 Ай бұрын
Meanwhile, they took Devil Jin's CH df+2 from him...
@crazy911wman
@crazy911wman Ай бұрын
How is djin so high? His d3+4 is death on block
@GloryBlazer
@GloryBlazer Ай бұрын
its block punshment, but it still doesnt make sense since the actual combos are what matters and not launcher damage.
@marioster2
@marioster2 Ай бұрын
On block. This is hit ranking, and dvj blows up armor with d3+4
@GloryBlazer
@GloryBlazer Ай бұрын
@@marioster2 its Punishers. that means you are guaranteed to land the attack as the enemy recovers.
@Dr.Happy11
@Dr.Happy11 Ай бұрын
If you use it as a punisher and your opponent blocks it, you're the bottom tier not DJs cancan mlao
@crazy911wman
@crazy911wman Ай бұрын
@@Dr.Happy11 Oh youre right! Every punisher could be -100 on block and it wouldnt change anything. Youre genius
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