important to note that leroy's 15f punish rotates the opponent to face leroy directly, meaning leroy does not have to do a different combo and sacrifice damage if he were to sidewalk an opponent and launch them.
@jumbopiece2301Ай бұрын
How many Jun's have you fought that made you think THAT was her best 15f punish?
@DOGRE__Ай бұрын
I found it a little funny the video opens with that example lol
@Uchiha_Sasuke209Ай бұрын
for Jun db1 1 1+2 is probably better more dmg and heals also triggers wall breaks
@HoDoBoDoАй бұрын
Mistake at the end, Claudio's i15 launcher is df1,2 not df2,1.
@avoidthevo1dАй бұрын
The bear's 15f launcher is arguably the best 15f punish considering the range it has. Bears can launch punish moves that others struggle to. Jack's atlus hammer? Kazuya's new string? No problem
@SebuTKАй бұрын
Confused on why Shaheen’s hop kick is so much lower compared to Claudio seeing as it’s the same move, albeit Claudio out ranges by a measly .01. Shaheen should be 2nd here imo
@vlight9713Ай бұрын
true i am a claudio main myself
@alexonstott4954Ай бұрын
I think it's an overall character ranking. Claudio's df1,2 is much better than shaheens other option
@SebuTKАй бұрын
@@alexonstott4954 that’s not the move I’m talking about. Also, please explain how df1,2 is better than a low crushing hop kick, which they both have and it has the same range
@alexonstott4954Ай бұрын
@@SebuTKhalf the cast has a low crushing hop kick. Claudio is better because df1,2 is much better than Shaheen df2
@rasaa722724 күн бұрын
Nina's b1+4 is underrated. It leads to the highest damage at i15 among the whole cast (95 dmg in open space without rage, heat or walls). Plus it has big range and launches crouching opponents.
@ChayBenjiАй бұрын
Cant believe I have to qualify this but I've seen people yapping in the comments...It's a punishment tierlist. How safe the move is doesn't matter, just the range and the reward, damage / oki. Also, some launchers were shown in prior iterations of this series, this is strictly i15, go watch them. Though Jun's i15 punish is db1,1,1+2*
@GorecattoАй бұрын
Werent electrics shown at 14f ? Am i tripping ?
@ChayBenjiАй бұрын
@Gorecatto Ah yes my mistake I forgot!
@SmellyYTАй бұрын
While that is a completely true argument, I still kinda think having a safe launcher is important. You're not always going to react to every move on time or there are times when the game takes your input late due to lag or whatever, especially when you've guarded moves that are hard to perfectly react like Leroy's ff2,2 or Jin's samsara. I would also consider ease of use as well. Like dvj's 15 launcher for example, here it's number 2 on the list but the fact that it's a move with a down command(which isn't usual for a 15f launcher) and the fact that it's death sentence on block, most people don't usually think about it constantly, making it slower to use reactively. I think, psychologically, having a safer and easier-to-use move would make you think about it more and thus make it more reliable to be used on reaction. Including what you've said, I think the video is pretty pointless when it comes to practicality and in-game usefulness. Also, the factors that were considered in the rankings were really vague and lacked explanation(I understand he wanted the video to be short and simple). That's why I think people are really critical in the comments. Personally, I also have gripes such as how is Lee worse than Feng, how is Victor only 15th on the rankings, and while I get that combo damage wasn't a factor what's the point of having good damage if the combo route is so limited and leads to having very poor combo.
@bignateАй бұрын
Only d/f+4,4,3 is guaranteed for Raven. f,f+4 only hits if the opponent moves on the ground.
@NM-rj4gkАй бұрын
Yeah I was wondering why he didn’t just complete the string
@GloryBlazerАй бұрын
Honestly the important information here is highest damaging punisher for i15, not specifically i15. Also the next important parameters are range of the punisher, ammount of hits before combo, the way in which it launches them and following combo routes. None of this has been factored in, making the video pointless outside of showing which chars don't have i15 launcher.
@ahnixcreations27 күн бұрын
I get that electric is impractical as a punish, but jet upper is bufferable ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so you’d think it counts. These picks feel pretty arbitrary.
@EricSamaNYC22 сағат бұрын
Raven also has F4 into FF2
@queencard97Ай бұрын
People dont realize Xiaoyu has really good punishments
@Comrade_QuestionsАй бұрын
I don't get any of the ranking at all tbh. What "stats" are taken into account? How is Shaheen low tier when Claudio is up high, when their hopkicks are the same range? Why is Nina in top 10 when her df2 is stubby and b1+4 is 2 hits? How does that make her i15 punish better than Lee's? His are just as short ranged.
@lznoswtАй бұрын
these comments make it obvious how bad reading comprehension is in the US.
@MrSamuelAdam4Ай бұрын
I'm sorry but this list is horrible & you missed some too.
@Linoangelo00Ай бұрын
Yoshimitsu hopkick goes over mids and high. Def top 5
@sameerkhan12670Ай бұрын
Kazuya needs a 15 frame launcher and I know that EWGF exists, but in online matches it is hard to punish with EWGF
@TheDocbachАй бұрын
They haven't given him an easy 15 frame punish for well over 4 Tekken titles. It's pretty much a part of the characters identity. He is notoriously execution heavy.
@M1ROHPLAY12 күн бұрын
@@sameerkhan12670 he has df1,2 heat dash launcher
@w_smith_1990Ай бұрын
Another guide let’s go ❤
@SeanMzАй бұрын
Lee's acid storm has really good range I think it's top10
@MrYourDryАй бұрын
Leaving a comment for your analytics
@myspaceuserАй бұрын
that jun punishment is wrong lol
@YellowFellow86Ай бұрын
Wouldn't have thought Leroy's would be that good?
@M1ROHPLAYАй бұрын
Raven has f4 > ff2
@farhadnouroozi3378Ай бұрын
How shaheen and lee are that low? Lees f333 ia probably most conaistant i15 punish in the game Your videos dont make sense
@kolaman18Ай бұрын
Half of these should not connect
@Dreadnaugh7ClassАй бұрын
Get your key input display corrected...the command direction input of 2 hit 15f launcher is correct...but the 2nd hit key is displayed first. Rest of the vid is great...keep it up 👍😊
@ego_destructorАй бұрын
Please make anti Alisa video 🙏
@jorgerojasmundotropicaltra64Ай бұрын
Great job My friend im searching more info about the reach about characters moves of You know a good source please Tag me
@ejrodriguez5719Ай бұрын
anti-Alisa guide please 🥺🥺
@danielsteffee7957Ай бұрын
Nonsense. Yoshimitsu was ranked 13th, yet has maybe the best df2 in the game, because it's safe (-7 ob) and launches crouching opponents on CH or on hit +4s~+5s. I don't know of any other safe df2 that can launch crouching. And others, like Paul's, are good for their evasive properties. Yet Devil Jin is ranked 2nd despite having none of this?
@squiddyseut6103Ай бұрын
It doesnt launch crouching, also this video is for punishment and not application (evasion and safety)
@GoodnightWonderlandАй бұрын
Reina can do df3,2 to access wind god fist without execution for punishment, in heat it's a true electric, it's very conssistent so imo she should be higher
@GorecattoАй бұрын
Technically she (and kazuya) could be in first place in 13f punishers But he did said that didnt want to consider combo damage, just mostly the range
@filippo1420Ай бұрын
it's not i15
@enerdgeticuАй бұрын
I personally think yoshimitsu has the best 15f with his df2. It dodges high attacks like jabs and is safe at -7 if blocked!
@riceyboi7069Ай бұрын
Remember, he's talking about it as a 15f punisher, not just as a 15f launcher. I think range is a big factor here, since Jin and Devil Jins cancan are really shit moves to just throw out, but as punishers they have great range and lead to 90+ combo dmg routes.
@Dr.Happy11Ай бұрын
Paul, Hwoarang, Lee, Shaheen, Law, Nina, with the same df2, lookin at this comment like 👀
@enerdgeticuАй бұрын
@@Dr.Happy11 theirs do not duck highs
@enerdgeticuАй бұрын
@@riceyboi7069 is that why Claudio was ranked no.1? Cause of the range of both the 15f?
@Dr.Happy11Ай бұрын
@@enerdgeticu They do jab crush, similarly to Yoshi's.
@loupast7587Ай бұрын
Why is xiaoyu in 6th place? There many 15f launchers more better and safer than hers
@ChayBenjiАй бұрын
It's a punishment tierlist. How safe the move is doesn't matter, just the range and the reward, damage / oki.
@loupast7587Ай бұрын
@@ChayBenji oh i see
@facha8089Ай бұрын
Leroy's df2 is i16
@hunters.hideoutАй бұрын
nuh uh, max range
@facha8089Ай бұрын
@@hunters.hideoutOh, I see, thanks
@shvrberiАй бұрын
Reina shouldn’t have df2. Learn to electric, you lazies
@atlante4368Ай бұрын
Meanwhile, they took Devil Jin's CH df+2 from him...
@crazy911wmanАй бұрын
How is djin so high? His d3+4 is death on block
@GloryBlazerАй бұрын
its block punshment, but it still doesnt make sense since the actual combos are what matters and not launcher damage.
@marioster2Ай бұрын
On block. This is hit ranking, and dvj blows up armor with d3+4
@GloryBlazerАй бұрын
@@marioster2 its Punishers. that means you are guaranteed to land the attack as the enemy recovers.
@Dr.Happy11Ай бұрын
If you use it as a punisher and your opponent blocks it, you're the bottom tier not DJs cancan mlao
@crazy911wmanАй бұрын
@@Dr.Happy11 Oh youre right! Every punisher could be -100 on block and it wouldnt change anything. Youre genius