"Are you ready to exercise with Scott Baio" good God no
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
We could've had another European cartoon to watch, bit no. :(
@ChuckD794 жыл бұрын
Yeah, until someone uploaded some early Nick Jr. footage not long ago, had no idea that he ever hosted a fitness program for preschoolers, or that it even aired on Nick...in fact, thought for sure that Finders Keepers would be the subject of the next episode!
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
@@ChuckD79 Finders Keepers would be an interesting episode given how the show had separate Nick and Syndication versions.
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
@Michael Pannoni I recall The Disney Channel played 'The Kids of Degrassi Street" during a block they named "Jiminy Cricket Presents" so that was my intro to the Degrassi world.
@meyerj753 жыл бұрын
@@ChristopherSobieniak I would like to find out the reason why Finders Keepers moved from Nickelodeon to Syndication and back to Nickelodeon again. Ridiculous you say? When Double Dare aired in Syndication, it was also still on Nickelodeon. Same goes with the Fox Network.
@CinnamonGrrlErin14 жыл бұрын
I feel like the guy who narrates the Nickelodeon bumpers deserves his own episode of Nick Knacks
@davidpasco4413 Жыл бұрын
I love this idea.
@lamontyaboy7184 жыл бұрын
I love how you continue to support black lives matter proving that you weren't just following the trend of the week like how so many other channels did. Another reason why I'm glad I found this channel and wish for it to continue to grow and be tremendously successful.
@meyerj753 жыл бұрын
I'm not surprise of how obscure 16 Cinema was and how many do not remember it that well. It aired prior to Nick at Nite's Sunday Snack Time on Sundays between 5-6 P.M. (Est. time) (that 2 hour block consists of My Three Sons, Car 54 Where Are You?, Mad Movies with the L.A. Connection, & The Smothers Brothers Comedy Show (No, not that one from 1968)) until Super Bowl XXII when it was replaced with what was on Saturday nights previously including Count Duckula. The one hour program would start with the male announcer saying, "Nickelodeon presents 16 Cinema. Stories about kids dealing with real problems while music featuring multiple violins playing is heard in edited form before the actual special begins. I do remember watching "Introducing Janet" every time it was on and scheduled and was for a while seen on Special Delivery as well a few years prior. But could never imagine one of the actors being a major movie star later on in life at a time when "In Living Color" wasn't even on yet and that Jim Carrey was still finding himself after 16 Cinema was cancelled. And that's about all I remember. Most were afterschool specials c/o ABC but it was "Introducing Janet' where I had to most fondest of all memories from 16 Cinema, even 30+ years later.
@Dinobolt12 жыл бұрын
"Nothing good has ever been on, on Sunday afternoons." I beg to differ. There was a period during the late 90s where Nick aired movies every Sunday and they aired some ones I loved like the first Prehysteria, Dragonworld or Magic Island as well as introduced me to new ones I came to love like Doom Runners and especially The Phoneix and the Magic Carpet. Watching it on Nick was one of my favorite childhood memories because I didn't see any commercials for it and when I tuned in to see what movie was on that Sunday I missed the title by a minute or less. Even when I used a feature on the tv remote to check what was playing it didn't register. So I didn't know what to expect but decided to give it a chance. As soon as the phoenix appeared, I was hooked. I'll never forget how atmospheric some scenes were for me. After it was over, I did my hardest to find out what it was called right down to asking my parents to call Nickelodeon to find out just what they aired that day. I found a tape of it years later at a drug store, but then after only having it for a year or 2 my VCR chewed it up. I bought it again thanks to Amazon, and it's still a highlight of my VHS collection.
@pronkb0004 жыл бұрын
Can confirm. Was born in '82. Consumed everything Nick growing up. Entering my prime period of Nickelodeon-watching at the time of these videos. Looked blankly at the name "16 Cinema" when the '87 schedule was released.
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
I probably heard of this but didn't watch it as it was a live action thing and was for older teens. Very after school special material.
@KaseyWynne4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was watching nick at the time this was on, and I have zero memory of it. Or the next show...or really anything except mapletown and little Koola.
@KaseyWynne4 жыл бұрын
@@ChristopherSobieniak "Very after school special material" ....there's a reason for that...
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
@@KaseyWynne If it wasn't cartoons it wasn't worth watching I see!
@KaseyWynne4 жыл бұрын
@@ChristopherSobieniak Well, yeah, in the early days. There was always double dare and you can't, tho. I mean, would you have watched Children's Classics, or What will they think of next. (thinking about it, the only early nick show I'd love to see is Hocus Focus. I loved the one episode John Qube uploaded)
@mattkeflowers3 жыл бұрын
I know this was like a generic copyright free music thing, but the initial background music are the tunes to hymns that were popular among the churches I used to be a preacher for, mostly older populations. "Old Rugged Cross", "I saw the light" (an old Hank Williams song), Amazing Grace, and a lot of others. They were definitely throwbacks for me to hear amidst discussions of a show I honestly hadn't heard of. As of a post After-school special person. I mostly witnessed the "very special episodes" in re-runs EDIT: It just hit me, the music of hymns because the show was a bunch of preachy after schol specials... brilliant
@brutalboy10004 жыл бұрын
This episode is full of "Hey, it's that guy", moments.
@bakomusha4 жыл бұрын
As a huge RHCP fan I watched every movie Anthony Kiedis has been in, and boy was the one shown rough! I wonder how much drugs his dad, Blackie Dammit, was able to buy with that sweet sweet ABC money! XD
You know it's a great day when an episode of nick knacks comes out
@whatsyerweirdstorypodcast52984 жыл бұрын
That trailer with the quotes unlocked so many memories of seeing that trailer so many times. But I remember not watching it very much, if at all because everyone seemed so boring. And Sunday afternoons were boring enough.
@doryna_sira4 жыл бұрын
"Nothing good comes on Sunday afternoons." My dad and his 80's and 90's addiction to This Old House would like to have a word with you.
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
Yep! Nothing beats PBS in the 80's.
@justfadingaway4 жыл бұрын
Yup! PBS's home improvement shows were a staple of my household as a child on Sunday.
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
@@justfadingaway I bet! It's like, I could've done something else but This Old House and Victory Garden held my interests.
@doryna_sira4 жыл бұрын
@@justfadingaway My dad does woodworking, so in our house it was the holy trilogy of Bob Vila snarking on This Old House, Norm Abrahms mispronouncing "drawer" on The New Yankee Workshop, and Roy Underhill slicing his fingertips off on The Woodwright's Shop.
@cameronmarnoch52364 жыл бұрын
The BBC airing films on a Sunday afternoon was always pretty great in the holidays.
@ClaudeLv2503 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: many after school specials were based on novels, and having watched a few myself, the unresolved plotlines and vanishing characters from Tough Girl aren't all that uncommon. Tough Girl was based on the book _Will the Real Renie Lake Please Stand Up?_ I've never read it but I wouldn't be surprised if all the unfinished plots you mentioned were actually finished in the novel. A lot of these come off as partial adaptations.
@alannamcfall78874 жыл бұрын
Nice episode, I always admire how you're able to make a cohesive video about the package shows.
@ryanlemay62962 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh! I never would have remembered 16 cinema, but the movie at around the 3 minute mark, I totally remember. For years I've been wondering "what was that movie on Nickelodeon about the kid named Mouse?" Haha! Now I know! It did exist!
@ryanlemay62962 жыл бұрын
Ooooh! And I totally remember "Daddy, I'm their momma now" As you were listing the core 13 I thought "I wonder if that one about the girl taking care of the family is in this list!" I remember that movie is where I learned to make a mashed potato volcano 😂
@aestroai80124 жыл бұрын
I'm turning 40 next week. I remember the promo for 16 Cinema. When I was 7 to 14 I was obsessed with Nickelodeon. I watched a bunch of these, but maybe I saw some when they aired on ABC. In any case I consider them as Lifetime movies for kids. They do hold a certain charm as they're so dated now. So many Sundays just killing time till You Can't Do That On Television came on!
@mattperiolat4 жыл бұрын
Hand to God, I just sat up at home, snapped my fingers and yelled ‘Yes!’ the minute Handbook of Rules and Regulations (verbose title, ain’t it?) popped up. I do not recall 16 Cinema, so I must have seen it repeated as part of Special Delivery later in the 80s. It falls in with stuff like Fat Chance! and one whose title I cannot remember, but features a girl traveling back in time to meet her teenaged mother in the 40s to understand her better. The stuff you remember and do not think about forever until stuff like this comes up. Best channel on KZbin for my memory bank and for letting be the enormous geek I actually am.
@TackyRackyComixNEO4 жыл бұрын
What even IS Handbook of Rules and Regulations, anyway? That title makes me think it's some obscure educational video made for a school district to show kids in detention how to "properly" behave, but I assume I'm completely wrong on that.
@mattperiolat4 жыл бұрын
@@TackyRackyComixNEO Short version - awkward trying to fit in during her first year in middle school. Results are mixed.
@darktetsuya2 жыл бұрын
been a little while since I saw one I didn't actually remember, if not watch but here we are. don't think i ever saw this! but I will say I"m amazed how many 'when they were young' cameos were in this!
@derinedala50324 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, several of these sound like fantastic premises for movies.
@PersephoneDarling284 жыл бұрын
That Jim Carrey one looks really good
@doryna_sira4 жыл бұрын
All at once? I think there was a Drew Carey episode about that...
@davidfraher1292 Жыл бұрын
Did some of these air on cbs too?
@herbalist1103774 жыл бұрын
Just wondering if going from Luke Perry on 90210 to Luke Perry on Riverdale was coincidental or a "ha ha let's see if anyone notices."
@KaseyWynne4 жыл бұрын
There's no way it was coincidental, he's editing it. The clips didn't arrange themselves.
@TackyRackyComixNEO4 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, young Jim Carrey in this kinda terrified me, and I imagine he terrified everyone watching at the time of its release as well.
@mikemayberry71214 жыл бұрын
Funny... I watched this on a Sunday afternoon.
@TDOTCRFH44 жыл бұрын
you said were worried about making this subject interesting, and I think you did an admirable job
@aestroai80124 жыл бұрын
I haven't even watch this yet but thanks so much. I know it will be great!
@EmperorSeth4 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I definitely don't remember the show collectively, but I did watch at least some of the specific episodes. The ones about the dueling violinists and the advice column at minimum I watched. Was this the same series that had the musician-themed boarding school were the janitor is a mentoring ghost or something?
@h1930134 жыл бұрын
The one about the boy who likes to dance reminds me of Billy Elliot
@only2574 жыл бұрын
Awesome 👍😎📼
@ChuckD794 жыл бұрын
Good episode, as always...vaguely remember watching 16C as a kid in the late 80s, despite being well below the target age group at the time, and specifically recall them airing The Skating Rink on Easter Sunday 1988.
@h1930134 жыл бұрын
Also Disney Channel made a movie called The Color of Friendship
@apbuitron4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work as always.
@asskinf4 жыл бұрын
Love your video keep it up
@CinnamonGrrlErin14 жыл бұрын
Tonight, on a Very Special episode of Nick Knacks...
@h1930134 жыл бұрын
The tough teenage girl having to move to her father’s home sounds like Caitlin’s Way
@johnnyb3254 жыл бұрын
I have vague memories of this show, mostly from commercials. I was a little younger than its target and don't think I watched it much, if at all.
@carmineknight91234 жыл бұрын
Boost boost boost!
@codyssmith734 жыл бұрын
I will not tolerate Sunday Afternoon Television slander. Most of the time, you're right. But there are always exceptions to those rules, usually a network having some form of a movie on.... at least, in Canada. And YTV (Which is where a lot of Nickelodeon shows found their home north of the border) had itself a decent movie library that was always growing.
@angelmarie22814 жыл бұрын
A local to me example is that my local ABC affiliate (before Disney stepped in) would move around program. Some of it wound up on Sunday afternoons.
@only2574 жыл бұрын
Cody Smith just showed this to my dad he never saw this but I asked him if I watched Nickelodeon in 1987 he said he remembered everything watching Sesame Street on pbs when I was 3 at the time📼
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
I'm sure weekends on a public channel like CBC could be the pits.
@codyssmith734 жыл бұрын
@@ChristopherSobieniak CBC on Sunday's would usually do The Wonderful Word Of Disney & show a Disney or Pixar animated film.
@ChristopherSobieniak4 жыл бұрын
@@codyssmith73 Different for me as CBC's Windsor station often couldn't show the American stuff and would sub in something else. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBET-DT
@RoyStorey4 жыл бұрын
"revenge of the nerd" ...hold up
@brutalboy10004 жыл бұрын
It's a prequel.
@badanimedubs4kids7454 жыл бұрын
I never heard of this series.....
@angelmarie22814 жыл бұрын
I only remember one of the 90s Afterschool Specials called "Me and My Hormones." There was also one that I wanted to watch that focused on two actors (Michael Sutton and Kimberly McCollough) from General Hospital doing research for their AIDS storyline they were involved in.
@willmistretta4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, completely spaced on this one until you showed the commercial clip. That commercial I remember. Never actually watched the show, though. I was one of those weird kids who liked fun stuff.
@doryna_sira4 жыл бұрын
Yup, as soon as I saw that commercial, I was like, "Oh yeah!" If nothing else, Special Delivery and 16 Cinema were good for my health because they inspired me to go outdoors and play.
@YujiUedaFan3 жыл бұрын
I remember it from Toonamiaftermath's secret Nick stream.
@jamesmoss34244 жыл бұрын
They should bring back afterschool special. 😀👍
@angelmarie22814 жыл бұрын
I can see Freeform reviving them actually.
@jamesmoss34244 жыл бұрын
@@angelmarie2281 it's a good idea. 😀👍
@andrejg41364 жыл бұрын
@@angelmarie2281 that totally sounds like something they'd do.
@memematicproductions31924 жыл бұрын
Pop Arena: Nothing good is on Sunday Afternoon NFL: Am I a joke to you?
@andrejg41364 жыл бұрын
Yeah but this is late 80s NFL scheduling, and how many elementary school age kids are into the NFL in general, instead of (mostly) the team thier parents might be fans of?
@wristofkings4 жыл бұрын
Like he said, nothing *good.*
@pronkb0004 жыл бұрын
@@andrejg4136 ::raises hand:: Oh, I was definitely a Browns fan taking after my parents, but I was drawn in by the colors, the uniforms...and especially the helmets. Finishing my gumball helmet collection was quite a boyhood obsession of mine. That said, the '88-'93 time period I grew up watching was, however romanticized it may be, a dull period for the NFL. The Super Bowl was an annual joke and almost always a blowout (though we had two good ones in this time period), 1987 was the year of the strike and the replacement players, and the league was descending into a parade of field goals until the league changed its rules to open up scoring in '94. Also, remember: fewer prime time games, which meant more, better games on Sundays.
@good03boy4 жыл бұрын
You're right about Nickelodeon still trying to find itself in the mid-late 1980s. Even though Double Dare helped put Nickelodeon on the map, Nick didn't really have great original shows until the early 1990s. Even the game shows Finders Keepers, Think Fast, and Make the Grade didn't have the impact that Double Dare had.
@meyerj753 жыл бұрын
Gerry Laybourne was still cleaning up Cy Schinder's mess during the mid to late 1980s. There was really some good shows back in the 1980s but was overshadowed by those from the 1990s which were made better and the opening of Nickelodeon Studios in Orlando, Florida. The only "bad' shows I've been through so far throughout Nick's history was "Against The Odds", "Turkey Television" and "National Geographic Explorer", the later found its niche on TBS. Other than that, Nickelodeon knew how to really evolve with the times. And it did.
@Snakie7474 жыл бұрын
I thought we were moving away from package shows like this on Nick Knacks. Ah well. Also, baby Wayne Arnold at 6:14. Hah.
@barns53454 жыл бұрын
I need to see the color of friend ship one. I can’t find it anywhere
@MattyHervey4 жыл бұрын
Well, this was my prime era for Nick, and I gotta admit I gave you that same blank stare.
@michaelturner28064 жыл бұрын
I'm in the camp of not remembering this at all. Absolutely nothing sparked any kind of recognition. But I think I was in the 8-10 range when it aired, an unable to care about any weird teenager stuff. If it wasn't slime, jokes, or cartoons, I probably just turned the TV off at that point.
@josephlawson99504 жыл бұрын
Somebody stop me
@allenmozek14 жыл бұрын
Great episode! You touched on a lot of afterschool specials that I have a strong personal fondness for. I objectively agree with you that these bottom feeding catch all programs were bad tv. At the same time, I grew up loving such seemingly anomalous intrusions growing up. I am a late 80s early 90s kid and I loved seeing something like Francesca, Baby or Beat the Turtle Drum. Rewatching those Very Special Movies, I actually like them quite a bit. Yes, theyre maudlin. Thats part of the charm for me. I dont think Nickelodeon was doing anything more than filling a time slot by playing these short films. That said, Im grateful I got the chance to see these bizarre self serious films at a formative age. I think theres a lot of gold in them, gold much richer than early examples of stupid Jim Carrey face comedy bull shit.
@pronkb0004 жыл бұрын
Besides the NFL, the only other thing of worth for me on Sunday afternoons may have been WWF All-American Wrestling on USA. I say "may have been" because I'm too lazy to look up if it aired at noon or at 11. I want to say the Cartoon Express ran until noon, though.
@Justin-Hill-19874 жыл бұрын
Heeeeeey Poparena!
@tydavis95394 жыл бұрын
Great work with this project, I anticipate each new episode eagerly. Personally, I absolutely cannot wait for Finders Keepers... Wesley Eure was cringe gold, the kids were awkward, the audiences could be brutal, and the room to room romps were disasters half the time with items way too well hidden. I wonder if the strange mini feud Wesley Eure and Larry Toffler had on MySpace back in the day will be brought up.
@joypopoola61154 жыл бұрын
I loved Fifteen! My parents would beat me to the couch!
@Nickrj33 жыл бұрын
Nothing ever good on TV on Sunday afternoons? What about sports? What about football in the fall and winter?
@meyerj753 жыл бұрын
Football 's a lot better than those old black and white boring Abbott and Costello movies that my father watched and I hated.
@jbanks9794 жыл бұрын
Even about halfway through this, I would have assumed this was a mistaken understanding or a misprint until I saw the actual commercial for it. I was 8+ when this was airing, watching a lot of Nickelodeon, and I don’t think I saw it once. I’ve seen a few specials themselves and while VERY dated from a modern perspective.........I can see how they had an audience in the three network era
@heidifedor4 жыл бұрын
I assume you’re eventually going to do that goofy preteen soap opera from Canada that starred a then unknown Ryan Reynolds.
@ShadowWingTronix4 жыл бұрын
At first I was wondering why you were doing the Afterschool Special opening (actually at first I thought it was one of the Weekend Special intros and then corrected myself because it didn't sound right). The only Afterschool Special I remember seeing was an adaptation of "The Ransom Of Red Chief" because one of my teachers showed it in class. They actually got away with showing a kid's naked butt in one scene and to this day I don't know how.
@kevinr.35424 жыл бұрын
I rented "Rubberface" from blockbuster in the 90s when Jim Carey was huge. It was around the time of the Mask, when Carey only has a few movies out, and people were clamoring for more Jim. But let's just say repackaging an after school movie to appeal to fans of Ace Ventura left a lot of disappointed people. That movie was awful, boring and just bad. They put a goofy picture of JIm on the cover, making a crazy expression, so it looked like some wacky hilarious romp. I never actually knew it was an after school special. That makes so much sense. What a pile of crap.
@meyerj753 жыл бұрын
I don't think Jim Carrey was the "main" character on the show. That honor goes to Janet, but Jim was a solid second banana.
@mjacton4 жыл бұрын
"The Old Rugged Cross" in the background? Brings me back to my conservative church growing up. :(
@unusualnormality64194 жыл бұрын
I can't wait till he does children classics
@TheHeroOfTomorrow4 жыл бұрын
He already did?
@unusualnormality64194 жыл бұрын
@@TheHeroOfTomorrow not yet he either skipped it or he haven't done it already
Exactly, he did that one about two years ago. He thought it premiered on Nickelodeon in 1980, but it debuted in 1979. The last show to premiere the same year Nick was launched after it's QUBE run.
@cameronmarnoch52364 жыл бұрын
Oh god, not Scott Baio
@meyerj753 жыл бұрын
That Scott Baio? Julius from "Luke Was There"? What Happened?
@jbleichman4 жыл бұрын
This is the shortest one you’ve done in like a year.
@andrejg41364 жыл бұрын
Not much to say with show, since it's just "ABC Afternoon Special: The Greatest(?) Hits"
@pronkb0004 жыл бұрын
I feel like he could have gone deeper into the history of the specials as he has for other shows where he gives us like an entire history of the studio that created it, but that the series at least as it relates to Nick just wasn't interesting or important enough to justify it. I suspect the next episode isn't going to be a marathon, either.
@kriswright4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I’m cool with it. The episode length should only be determined by how much worthwhile material there is to talk about. He should just crank this Scott Baio crap out in 5 minutes, unless he decides to just go all-in on talking about Nicole Eggert’s recent allegations about him on Charles in Charge. Which Baio deserves a drubbing for.
@andrejg41364 жыл бұрын
@@kriswright I'm still wondering why you pick Scott Baio to MC your child-focused exercise show...
@jimmymelendez18363 жыл бұрын
@@pronkb000 The portion with those teen shows like 90210, Riverdale, and The OC felt a bit random and didn't fit the core episode.
@LPTVLive Жыл бұрын
How is it you missed "Oh Hi Lance Guest, Star of 'The Last Starfighter'" in "Between Two Loves?" That's him at 4:44...
@KaseyWynne4 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to comment that it means a lot to me that you have "Trans rights are human rights" at the end of every show. Thanks.
@MsCwebb2 жыл бұрын
🤢🤮🤣
@vgtrp4 жыл бұрын
Eventhough I grew up in the 80's and 90's, I don't remember watching a single after school special, except maybe when I was flipping through channels I saw a little bit of one. I will say this about them, they maybe cheesy, and some might be terrible, but they mean well. 16 Cinema seemed to me like something to fill time until something better, I also wonder if they their own intro for 16 Cinema. One last note, when I saw Scott Baio's head pop in, it kinda freaked me out for a second.
@sebastianmoreno60044 жыл бұрын
No lie, I thought 16 Cinema was another film promo show. Not much to say except I got to ask, would Runaways count as having after school special DNA as well? I mean, yeah, it has superpowers and an emotional support dinosaur but there's teen drama to behold.
@chrisstory5634 жыл бұрын
man, alot of the actor schools specials were mostly cheese balls chessy if you ask me. some I seen in high school classes usually with the most god awful forced acting I've ever seen. not to mention some cringe worthy dialogs in some of those shows. I remember one I saw had the most abrupt tragic ending and it was craptasticlly bad too and what worst. I don't remember what was it about accept it was so high school jock had a car crash and the whole thing ended with him in the hospital. no, now I remember as I write this. it basically a the average teen in the usual teen drinking plot. oh yeah, another horrible one had sort like interrogation room type opener and closer but won't bore you were the plot but it all about the perils of drunk driving. a lot of them are pretty much one trick pony specials used as a form dramatic PSA's. I have not doubt it served it's purpose and the late 80's and 90's special had some improvement but not much. still I find them a bit lame
@MissAshley424 жыл бұрын
So. Many. White people.
@MsCwebb2 жыл бұрын
The best!!!
@etc8346 ай бұрын
So. Many. Black people.
@DankBuddhaStank4 жыл бұрын
lmao calling ballet a sport. Its theater btw. What you did is the same as calling a broadway play a "sport"
@KaseyWynne4 жыл бұрын
He was trying to show how repeative the shows on 16 cinema were, rather than giving an accurate description of what ballet is.
@pronkb0004 жыл бұрын
We all know ballet is about the bear in the little car.
@meyerj753 жыл бұрын
There was a special on 16 Cinema called A Special Gift. I remember seeing it at least once. This was about a teenager who takes up ballet dancing and plays in a basketball team. However, he later finds out that he is scheduled for both events on the same day 30 minutes apart with his basketball team meeting a half hour before his ballet performance. On one scene, he does attend the basketball game but his team performs poorly to the point where he is benched out for a time. When the coach calls him up, he finds out that he's gone to his ballet class despite a lack of practicing beforehand. Other than a huge argument he would later have with his father who would later confess than when he was his age, he took up church choir as there were none of the activities available at the time, that's pretty much all I remember from it as it's been at least 30 years.