184WHP/293TQ Honda Talon Engine Build at Dr Powersports with Dyno runs!!

Pistons, headstuds, fuel rail, injectors upgrade. Complete engine build.
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[@caseymaxwell7645]

Can’t wait to see some videos of it ripping

[@gravesru]

It’s scary fast!!

[@mikevann979]

Glad to see your journey since the beginning. Can't wait to see the following videos of that thing!

[@gravesru]

Hey! Thank you!!

[@stgraves260]

It’s the torque numbers that are incredible!!!

[@gravesru]

It’s a blast to drive

[@venkobby7404]

You basically have the Honda that everyone wants.

[@gravesru]

Thank you. I love it! Thanks for watching

[@QREGON]

I really need you to film real world performance with this build.. can't wait!

[@gravesru]

I’m definitely planning on it. Racing different vehicles like the Pro R and a JR turbo talon.

[@Npizzola420187]

Just did the same kit in my x4. It's flat nasty

[@gotalon]

That’s amazing Russell!

[@gravesru]

Hey! Hope you’re doing well!!

[@jacobmoore2847]

Now we need to see it racing some of the competition to see how it stacks up in the real world 👍🏻

[@gravesru]

I’m trying to organize a race against a pro r!

[@loganrussell9641]

Dying to see this thing out in action

[@gravesru]

I’ll make a video soon!

[@LetsGoYall]

That TORQUE 😳😳😳......Amazing!!!!

[@gravesru]

The Honda is in a league of its own!

[@joefernandez9522]

Nice build. I would like to see a current race between another turbo Honda like Andy Desoto or something similar. Thx. for the good content.

[@gravesru]

The engine blew up 3 times and I’m back to the JR power

[@DonziGT230]

The Talon seems to be similar to my Carrera; very solid in stock form, even if you run it hard, and a hand grenade if you tweak the power.

[@gravesru]

It’s extremely reliable completely stock!

[@tylerwildman7119]

15:58 bro did he just lube the cap and then put the bearing in! Must be trying to spin a bearing right off the first start, really liked how he degreed the rod caps with the torque wrench too. Wouldnt trust the torque coming out of that

[@wrenchtherapy583]

Great upgrade! Did they give you a dyno printout that shows the torque and hp curves relative to rpm instead of road speed?

[@gravesru]

No, I don’t have a printout.

[@scotthead3038]

Excellent write up! I am right in the middle of deciding on which turbo to purchase for my stock Talon or if I should do it at all? You guys are covering valuable feedback? Q: which turbo kit is most reliable? I want to take this car to Baja for years to come but it can't break down!

[@gravesru]

Im running the JR kit now because they have the only tune that automatically adjusts for elevation. KW kit had more hp out of the box. Most reliable is definitely a stock talon without a turbo. I carry with me an extra header, extra turbo, extra bolts-gaskets and extra turbo support rod.

[@itimebomb89]

Little red flag when they were eyeballing the degrees with the torque wrench. I know its tiny, but for a $6000 piston swap a show without a proper torque angle gauge is an eyebrow raiser.

[@johnkaminski646]

It would be interesting to find out which cylinder had the lean condition with the headers cracking, the five times if that was the cylinder with the cracked piston or not.

[@gravesru]

It’s the front cylinder

[@itimebomb89]

Im kinda wondering about that tq number also. What causes that huge jump? Im guessing its huge boost. I have the KW kit installed and im curious how to get to these numbers!

[@gravesru]

The boost is between 13.5 & 14.2. The dct shifts cause spikes in tq numbers

[@joefernandez9522]

Great video. What made you decide to have it done by DR. Powersports?

[@gravesru]

Because they are the only one that offers this build.

[@rogereastwood7602]

You had over 10000 miles on your original talon r without any piston damage? I also have the Jr turbo kit with 3000 miles just surprised to see the cracked skirt and worried. What is different from your original r?

[@gravesru]

I never pulled the pistons on the first talon, maybe they were cracked too. Maybe the skirts cracked and are in the oil pan. I’m not sure. I wish I never did the engine build, it’s been a disaster. I’m back to the JR kit now

[@SxSandcampingadventures]

Maybe I missed it but did you change the connecting rods to or just the pistons?

[@gravesru]

Just pistons.

[@anthonyrowland9072]

is that torque number on a spike on the dyno? that's like a 4.0l v8 making 1170rwtq... 293 seems a but unnecessary and hard on the transmission anyway.

[@gravesru]

The torque is consistently 220-230, it will spike to 290 during a shift.

[@joefernandez6095]

We're did you get the header with the AFR bungs? What brand is it?

[@gravesru]

Bell Engines on Facebook.

[@aw9680]

Was it dyno'd at the same location? Are they offering upgrades like port work or cams?

[@gravesru]

Yes, same place. Give the dealership a call!

[@ken9846]

Did you replace the head bolts? Were the pistons the same comp.? I have already changed pistons to 9:1. Will the stock head bolts be ok?

[@gravesru]

Yes, new head studs and 10.5 pistons.

[@ken9846]

New stock head studs?

[@gravesru]

@@ken9846 they are stronger head studs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpzLg6mdqNmqe5o

[@scottiemorris6151]

Do you recommend a tuner with a slip on exhaust

[@gravesru]

Depends on your tune and turbo or If you have a na car. You can run an evo with the JR turbo kit. I highly recommend running an AFR gauge if you have a turbo kit.

[@KUSTOMWORCS]

Talon on steroids with turbo what's rufly total $of everything I always say it if honda figures out how to get its motor to make 180hp from factory its a game changer there transmission is great no bells rzr and can am would be in trouble

[@gravesru]

Hi! If you already have the jackson racing turbo kit, you can expect around $8k if you drop off your talon in Iowa. I think there’s about a 6 month wait for pistons.

[@timothyborgmann9429]

Great video and insight as well. How many hours total on the machine w and without the turbo?

[@gravesru]

There were 3300 on the machine when the video was made. About 2300 miles with a turbo and 1000 miles stock.

[@timothyborgmann9429]

@@gravesru Thank you for your response! I have a Kraftwerks Turbo coming and now I'm on the fence to get this engine build done. I did reach out to Dr Powersports for a quote but they have not responded.

[@gravesru]

@@timothyborgmann9429 just give Justin a call at Dr Powersports and you’ll get a quote right away

[@timothyborgmann9429]

@@gravesru Thank you Sir!

[@rickyrodgers3290]

Do you think this dealership would build this engine for anyone,I have a talon r without a turbo

[@gravesru]

Yes! You will need a turbo kit as well.

[@hummyhero1484]

You think the transmission will hold up with the extra power and torque

[@gravesru]

Maybe, not sure

[@mattharrison115]

Why is it making way more torque in auto mode then sport mode?

[@gravesru]

Honestly, I’m sure.

[@americanduramax]

Damn bro...

[@ImPaCtGroundBreaking]

I have been waiting to buy a Talon, Are they having issues with the pistons if it stays stock?

[@gravesru]

Not at all, that engine goes forever. There’s some with over 30k miles on them

[@ImPaCtGroundBreaking]

@@gravesru Thank you for the reply Russel. Wow 184 at the wheels, that thing must pull like a truck. Will be fun to watch how the dct likes it.

[@gravesru]

@@ImPaCtGroundBreaking thanks for watching

[@DonziGT230]

Why did it only make 125HP before the tweaks? Pretty sure they typically make 140+ with the bolt on turbo.

[@gravesru]

That’s wheel hp, it makes about 150 crank hp.

[@DonziGT230]

@@gravesru Ahh, didn't know the 140+ I've heard was crank, makes sense. Very impressive gain. You're at about double the stock HP, crazy; is it holding up well?

[@gravesru]

Not at all, watch my latest video

[@DonziGT230]

@@gravesru I found it right after I asked....damn.

[@gravesru]

@@DonziGT230 thanks for watching!!

[@jerryblake9487]

What fuel do you need to run at 14psi? That’s a beast

[@gregbell652]

93

[@gravesru]

I’ve been running 91 pump gas and that’s what was used on the Dyno.

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[@00turbosohc]

if they every put out a machine with 180+hp...its mine! lol

[@gravesru]

Yeah, wait until a reputable company makes one.

[@TheBrokerLife]

How much did the build cost besides the turbo?

[@gravesru]

It will be between $7-8k.

[@TheBrokerLife]

@@gravesru well worth it 👍 thanx!

[@TheExtremeRace]

So how does it drive now

[@gravesru]

The HP & torque are incredible!!!

[@TheExtremeRace]

@@gravesru How much boost are you running now? I plan to run the same setup without the engine build. Still waiting on ppei to have those parts avaliable

[@gravesru]

@@TheExtremeRace 14psi

[@stgraves260]

So how much is it?

[@gravesru]

It’s in the $7k neighborhood

[@serohaguju1054]

No street pulls?

[@gravesru]

Nothing yet because I’ve had tuning issues.

[@serohaguju1054]

@@gravesru what kind of tuning issues

[@gravesru]

@@serohaguju1054 the tune not adjusting for elevation and blowing up my engine.

[@serohaguju1054]

@@gravesru dang are they taking care of it

[@gravesru]

@@serohaguju1054 that’s also been an issue. I’m not very happy to be honest.

[@danny-1424]

What’s this cost?

[@gravesru]

You’ll have to call Dr Powersports for pricing!

[@itimebomb89]

So I watched this video and said "I can do that" So I did it and now im pulling my motor out of my talon. Without being able to at least plastigauge the rod bearings there is no way to ensure proper seating of the bearings. So i cooked a bearing is about 15 miles of driving my talon. I would HEAVILY advise if you are going to change pistons in one of these engines to remove it COMPLETELY from the Talon and build it on a bench. No measurement is accurate laying on your back on the garage floor. Pull the crank, measure the journals and install new bearings when you pull a rod. When you are talking about tolerances down to the ten thousanth for oil clearance you need to make 100% sure you have those right. Also that little crank closed ring compressor is garbage. If you are having an engine built and you see one of those run for your engines life. They never work right on performance engines with stainless rings. You want to use a Wiseco tapered compressor ring with NO seams. People fail to realize these are high performance engines. Especially when you are adding boost. Building it in chassis on the garage floor is unacceptable. When you go to get an engine you need to ask to see, piston rings, bore gauge measurements, journal measurements, oil clearance on the rod bearings. If they cant AT LEAST give you all of that, RUN.

[@gravesru]

On the bench would definitely be better!

[@r.l.sheldrake2109]

More UTV shade tree hackage.

[@DonziGT230]

Yup. I only skimmed through it and even if it was a stock rebuild it might have blown up.

[@moaski]

Seems kinda ghetto to be building a motor in-place rather than on a bench.