$189 Ebay Turbo VS. $429 VS Racing turbo \\ Holley Terminator X tuning \\ $3k budget build

$189 Ebay Turbo VS. $429 VS Racing turbo \\ Holley Terminator X tuning \\ $3k budget build
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When i was told this had a 76mm turbo, i did not quite realize/expect it to be a $189 dollar turbo! everything that comes through the door with a budget build usually has a turbo from VS racing. i guess this one shows that sometimes you can go too cheap on a turbocharger.
A few things to iron out on this one, but it is going to be a really fun car for very little money. the owner is super resourceful and seems to buy cars/parts and stockpile them for fun. once he has enough stuff to put a car together, he does just that and ends up with nearly a free car! i wish i had the time to do that now a days. i have put together several cars like that in the past and they were always the most fun because nothing mattered. could flip the thing off a launch ramp and you were not worried about the financial consequences!
hopefully ill get back on some of the Holley EFI "how to" videos here soon, so be sure to subscribe if your into that sort of stuff. Everybody keeps asking for more of them.
my website: www.tempest-racing.com/
my instagram: / joe_at_tempest

[@SloppyMechanics]

This is why I Always say 7875

[@hydrocarbon8272]

The big problem is the 65mm turbine, but people only call it a "76mm" and think that's plenty.

[@wcmiller78]

Finally! A tuner who checks the plugs! Great video

[@WithCarePlz]

Every tuner should be checking plugs at least 3x bare minimum. I’m a tuner and take it from me - if you brought your car to a tuner who didn’t check your plugs and oil before even starting your engine- don’t take it there again 😂 I have never tuned a car without looking at the plugs at least 3x bare minimum. Even knock sensors and wideband gauges lie- we need to see the plugs and check for signs of knock and recheck gaps if not check for signs of blow-by etc. every tuner should be physically checking plugs. Learned that before anything -always check plugs. Idc if you say they’re new today and you checked them yourself 😂 I go further than checking all the plugs and measuring gaps- i check every cylinder with a borescope camera before I ever touch the ignition key. Foolish to do otherwise and irresponsible. If I can see your plugs are full of molten piston aluminum (it happens) I’m gonna know before my ass touches that driver seat and you’re gonna know before anybody starts your car. We like to bitch but we’re car guys too and trust me even if you’re annoying I’m gonna do my absolute best to make sure I’m not hurting your car- and putting a car on a dyno to tune without checking plugs and fluids and the whole checklist is just wrong. Okay I forgive you for not checking Subaru plugs because they’re a pain in the ass to get at

[@incolink]

I can't believe how nice you are to the customer with such a beater ..

[@codya8684]

Aint everyone got 200k to spend on a racecar

[@WithCarePlz]

Every car we see is a beater lol or it’s gonna be after we beat the dog piss out of it all heatsoaked on the dyno 😂Tbh generally if I see a beater it’s okay because it’s one of 2 scenarios either it’s somebody who cares and doesn’t have money to waste (they generally go through their own pre-dyno checklist cuz they know they’re on the dyno time clock) or it’s a situation where IK the guy well and he’s got some beater with a china turbo that we’re gonna laugh at and destroy for fun anyway. I don’t know this guy btw I was just laughing at comments

[@bryanleverett2830]

Not sure why I’m so entertained by Joe getting pissed about the motorcycles, but I is. Lol. And love just as much that he acknowledges he’s prob just as annoying to them lol. I have a friend that owns a scuba shop that’s right next to a shop with a dyno jet, and when they dyno cars, it sounds like the car is in his scuba shop. I personally love it lol. But him and his customers, not so much lol.

[@zsells9758]

Joe back with another banger. Minimum I recommend is always a 7875.

[@bryanleverett2830]

#1 I’m digging the two different coil packs on the driver side lol. #2 I have that same craftsman ratchet you dropped in the engine bay, and I super love it more than other ratchet at any price.

[@WithCarePlz]

This was for sure the jankiest dyno session i’ve seen. I would have sent that car back immediately

[@dynomike07]

This video is very informative yet hilarious. Love the dry sense of humor. I really dig the patience you have with all the set backs. Keep up the great videos!

[@TurboJoe1320]

Thank you for all your knowledge and input. All of this information and all of your videos are very informative and very rare to find anywhere on KZbin. I appreciate your hustle and your smarts. Thank you joe!

[@boostfactorypl]

Hi Joe. Thanks for video. I love sound when you measure boosted engines ❤️

[@b00sted_SS]

Saw your interview with Sloppy, subbed!! My new favorite KZbin channel, killer content !! Keep doing what you do here!! Thanks

[@balinhewson2053]

Just want to say thank you so much for this KZbin channel I’m just now learning how to tune myself and I have a terminator X system on my 93 GMC these videos are helping me understand so many concepts and simple shortcuts Thank you!

[@nosnerd1967]

I really like this channel . Modest fella that is much more experienced than we think

[@SouthernSpeedVideos]

This a 4.8/5.3 deal? Good on you for not telling the guy to pick his shitbox up after the first 10min. Also, have you considered installing the largest speed bump you can find in front of your bay? That oughta stop the swarm of skeeters speeding by your bay. Either way thanks for the sat morning upload. 💪🏻

[@kingclutchxyt]

I just found your channel a few weeks ago. I love what you do and how thorough you are. I'd like to bring my car by one day

[@boostjunkieMike]

Love the way you diagnose and work through the issues to get shit done💪🏾 hopefully you're being compensated for you knowledge and hard work. Clearly your not just taking peoples money👌🏾😎👍🏾👍🏾🙏🏾🙌🏾🤲🏾

[@joshdavis6378]

Thanks for the video. Good stuff.

[@frostback8160]

Mint... love the fox ls turbo videos

[@mikejenkins4854]

I like that new edge. Sounds bad ass

[@sinistermutt7006]

Great video like the comparison of the two turbos thanks a lot

[@TooBrokeToWheel]

No doubt, that's an eye opener for sure

[@backyardbuilttrucks1]

Why I love my blow thru carb from Jon bitler . No sensors , no bs , just works.

[@felixestrella298]

I second that haven't had no trouble with my csu carb since Kevin built it. Dude is a wizard

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Lotta power under thst curve Car gonna rip for what it is Hell yea

[@ryanaxberg9263]

really cool real world comparison

[@hondatech5000]

New sub. Excellent work

[@Boostedsn95992]

great videos ,the trouble shooting makes them intresting

[@HeyLiana1]

Great stuff thank you

[@LowBoostFilms]

Hit the nail right on the head with the Turbo!

[@texasstreettunes1310]

I used gt45 $200 turbo never had a issue but its a 69-70mm and i used a vsracing wastegate.

[@daftdrifting]

I love the mismatched coils at 15:25 in video lol

[@kevin_nagle]

Sloppy style

[@holmeskillet576]

This guy is my spirit animal...

[@planesofpaper]

Nice video. Learned heaps.

[@DaOnE51T]

Vsracing FTW! Night and day difference.

[@OBSBryce]

Vs racing ftw

[@johnparrotte9352]

Good stuff

[@lifesgifts748]

Your a good man thats car is a super headache

[@robbuilt]

That’s impressive

[@RiversideRacecraft]

The dudes on the 4 wheelers Every morning "this jackass every single day... Loud shit boxes, revving them, driveshafts flying everywhere...."

[@piptyson5512]

Cool vid Joe. Any idea how much the billet wheel version of the 7875 would pick up?

[@Boostismyfriend]

Hopefully my 3-4 inch 90 keeps living, its been good for 2 years, went 4.95@149.50 Thursday lol

[@vinshanestrickland4179]

Ebay turbos are hit or miss there are a few company's we use to see some customers use that were decent turbos hell there are a couple of them still running 10 yrs later

[@BDauto86]

I think that applies to the majority of eBay /Amazon stuff. Some things I have tried out and had really good results and heard of other people having terrible results.

[@_the_Chad_]

Based on weight and trap speed my 4.8 gt45 makes about 430whp at 15psi. So this agrees well with the numbers you show at the end. And yes, I'm going to switch to a 7875! Excellent video, thanks for posting.

[@garage79r]

Fuck yeah made some jam with the upgrade!

[@Rome3aaro]

This a good one

[@conservativecrusader80]

Money well spent!

[@reminoel483]

I like that you didnt shit talk the owner for having a janky setup

[@seanandersen338]

can we see a video on using knock sensors with the holley terminator X

[@bibble05]

What was the A/R size for exhaust side on the VS turbo? Thank you 🙏🏻

[@Wreckedekcoupe]

Ya gotta love that drivetrain noise. Well at least i felt safe from behind the screen, dont know about you. Major ass puker moment everytime on deceleration!

[@GunniGST]

Where you picking up VE on the new turbo vs the old turbo at the same boost levels?

[@paullutherborrow637]

Has the intake manifold to head flange got o rings in it ?

[@jesscneal]

Excellent vid Joe. Does this have Gen 4 rods/pistons in it?

[@sinistermutt7006]

Stock 4 gen 5.3

[@NoFox_Given]

😂… I love the ignition coil setup… my OCD is pegged out. My advice is move to the Tampa Bay Area…. No dirt bikes all over the place GREAT weather all year….. AND best of all you can dyno tune my car 😂

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

My wife said let’s move to Tampa last night 😂

[@NoFox_Given]

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest happy wife, happy life… it’s an Omen

[@paulfoster7604]

What fuel pumps are on the car? Curious because I am going the same route but both of mine will be run by the Holley

[@jackstoepfer1494]

Thanks for this. I have the same exact China wg and turbo. Do you think the wg was also an issue? The old wg made boost, why change it?

[@jeepramz]

Was the vsr 7875 .96ar or 1.25ar? I guess it was a 5.3 on e85

[@bibble05]

Def tossing this eBay gt45 now, it takes till tomorrow to spool

[@Zionslayer1]

Are you running out of exhaust or compressor on the turbo? And how would you know which?

[@let_it_ride9216]

Any experience with the on3 78 mm on a 5.3

[@robwigglezz944]

I like seeing the sloppy builds work out

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Me too! A lot of other tuners ask me why i spend the time i do on them and say they would turn “sloppy style” cars away. I’ve had the most fun with the budget build type stuff. Yes there are some frustrations that go along with it, but it’s rewarding when it works out.

[@robwigglezz944]

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest thanks for sharing it with us

[@Dwayne-we6td]

Man you know your stuff Joe💪

[@oldandboosted]

Interesting. I wonder if the power difference might be caused by back pressure in the hot side.

[@RiversideRacecraft]

the ebay 76 is generally a 76/65 or smaller on the turbine in some cases. huge difference.

[@SloppyMechanics]

@@RiversideRacecraft absolutely

[@78freewheeler]

The turbine was def the restriction. He could’ve probably put a gt45 on and went a little further before hitting the wall again.

[@jackstoepfer1494]

This is what I want to know too. Before and after specs

[@andymcdo]

How the hell do you deal with that shop next door?

[@benjamincastillo861]

Would I use the vs racing turbo with a 5.3 ls I have ls9 cam Or what turbo can you recommend me

[@edgarjimenez6456]

so i have a question hopefully you or someone in the comments can help me with i want to run a twin turbo 5.3 set up the reason why i want to run twins is because i want 700 to the wheel on less boost then what i would need on just 1 turbo(obviously i know 1 turbo can get the job done) also would like the option to be able to achieve higher numbers on less boost now my question is in terms of longevity of the motor(forged pistons and rods 12000 hp rated) will running 2 turbos(78 mm) on less boost help vs running 1 turbo on more boost im new to the idea of turbos

[@aslacker]

Wow, I always thought boost pressure was boost pressure.

[@brandonpylant9349]

What fuel is this car using

[@jasonbrinegar6759]

Spending a lazy Sunday trying to learn something! 😂

[@cristianbustos4918]

is lq4 motor?

[@28joestella]

Awesome work. What's the AR on the VS turbo? Was this run on E85?

[@nordic5490]

Any thing over 15psi and with reasonable timing, e.g. 25° will be on e85 to avoid knock.

[@davidpartridge4980]

Part# says 1.25 AR

[@ehworkshop9922]

What is the science behind that difference? Different IATs because of turbo efficiency? Idk can somebody explain

[@hydrocarbon8272]

It takes a lot more exhaust energy to spin a large mis-matched compressor with a small turbine, which is what that 76-65mm turbo is incarnate. You make less power down low from that and less power up top due to turbine choke flow. They spool up fast, but that doesn't mean it makes power there.

[@russellbroadwell]

I thought boost was air flow? I never would have thought there would be that much different between two turbos at the same boost level. Back pressure? Or is was it just blowing hot air? Or both?

[@kamrenwood1894]

Back pressure. I’d bet everything I have that the 76mm was running a 65mm turbine wheel (exducer) wayy to small for a single setup on any v8.

[@jackstoepfer1494]

@@kamrenwood1894how did the bigger turbine housing make more low end power?

[@daviddavis1322]

7875 FTMFW

[@SloppyMechanics]

Vsrttmff

[@nickthelebo]

So if the cheep turbo is makin the boost presure at the manifold but not makin the same power as the more expensive turbo at similar boost levels would your thoughts be that the cheep turbo was so far out of its efficiency range on the compressor it was just feeding the engine super hot air or do u think it was a restriction on the turbine side ??

[@kamrenwood1894]

To much back pressure from the 65mm turbine wheel (exducer). The 75mm exducer on the bigger turbo is much better suited for the job as a single on a v8.

[@andrewadams1428]

What do you think about 2 78/75s on a 5.3. I have gt35s currently

[@SloppyMechanics]

I’ve seen an easy 950 whp out of two first gen 7875 cast turbos

[@rdub79lx]

Check out the nova build on Nivlac 57 KZbin channel. 1000whp on ebay $250 7875's

[@BulliKid]

What are the turbo specs on the turbos? Was the cheaper one smaller?

[@SloppyMechanics]

Had to be 7665 and then the gen2 cast 7875

[@BulliKid]

@@SloppyMechanics are those ar numbers? Turbine and compressor?

[@SloppyMechanics]

@@BulliKid turbine and compressor in my opinion AR does nearly nothing

[@BulliKid]

@@SloppyMechanics so are those numbers the wide part of turbine and compressor I assume

[@stevestauff2220]

ok so on my build its a gen 3 5.3 going to be running twin gt35s e85sloppy best cam. do you think it will hit the same numbers? I am running the truck intake its a budget build also

[@kamrenwood1894]

You shouldn’t have a problem making this power with the cheap eBay gt35s, I’ve seen it done several times before. They will be pretty close to, if not completely maxed out though…

[@stevestauff2220]

Thanks that’s plenty good for a start

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Bad solenoid or gate ? I shoulda waited .. MAP sensor leak due to O ring Man.. I love watching this shit This is greet I don’t envy tracing down issues in janky builds tho

[@TrumpsEarBandage]

But fixing those issues on a janky build is the most rewarding

[@D3thM3tal]

Was this on a 5.3 or a 6.0?

[@sinistermutt7006]

5.3

[@TPVPRO]

I like to stop by and talk but Joe also needs to work so don't stop by and talk.😆

[@brandonpylant5764]

What fuel

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Pump e85

[@JungaBungaRacing]

T4 or T6 mate

[@sinistermutt7006]

T4

[@MKEUnderground]

I can’t believe you touched a car with sep injectors. I’ve touched 6-8 sets and they are all bad

[@MJPilote]

Chinese knockoff got knocked off. Too small turbine housings and bad clearance, is usually what they are. All you get is heat and noise.

[@besearchingforwisdom6267]

"I don't think that you're going to have any problems with it...I did it all by myself" HaAhahahaha! Pick your customers, this type isn't your friend. Hopefully the brakes are good

[@armdrop101]

My 355 makes that on 5 psi with a small 144 blower. turbo is definitely shit 😂

[@GTStuning-]

Going cheap parts wise looks like an expensive tuning bill with all the hours wasted chasing mechanical issues. Live and learn 😬

[@fiddlercove]

Denver Colorado dyno hoopty garage Summit track week Super Chevy Nomad EPA motor sports funeral ED the Ace Ventura CA John Force 1990 & Big Daddy Fortuna CA. Pizza Hut Journeyman moon tune

[@WithCarePlz]

You really are getting killed more than you realize with those saggy silicone couplers uk? Hurts to watch lol. Every bit of moving you see a coupler do is lost energy as u probably know 😂 your psi might stay the same either way but that is majorly disrupting flow and causing turbulence in multiple spots

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

It’s not my car i just tune what people bring me

[@WithCarePlz]

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest no I def get it brother lol. I hear you. Fuck these people. I just don’t want people throwin dirt on my name by working on basketcase cars that break under my reputation uk? I can def see the alternative though fuck it tune what they brung if it don’t have oil oh well my name ain’t jiffy

[@anotherbluenova6358]

The raccoon should be forced to tune all sloppy builds.

[@SloppyMechanics]

I do soooo many

[@davidpartridge4980]

Joe adds some awesome memes to his. I personally think it’s great to see someone else even attempt the sloppy tune. Most shops won’t touch it. Puzzess if you ask me. That drive shaft clanking at 775 was so damn good 😌

[@robinwendt5527]

Your nieghbors are annoying. Lol