No Intercooler? Turbo & E85 Holley Efi Tuning

Tuning a Non-Intercooled - E85 SBE LS3 Trans Am w/ VS Racing 80mm Turbo & Holley EFI
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[@SloppyMechanics]

have him get a BACK tapper i will link you to chase the threads inside out, they are awesome

[@sebfullick5011]

I remember watching one of your colorado videos a few years back, you showed a back tap tool, i bought one then and i must use it at least once a week on customers cars. The peoples pay attention to your content sir Happel!

[@turboman351w3]

joe whats up dude jason here skate buddy from fredom plaza awsome video brother, plus my foxbody is running freaking outstanding dude, my son freaks out when the boost hits hard and the car goes sideways loves it man thanks again

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

What’s up man glad to hear it’s still running good!

[@theonetrueac]

Earned my sub. Thanks for the content!

[@FoxRob93]

Great video Joe, feel better

[@rmsracing5860]

Appreciate these types of videos. Well done sir

[@RSCamaroBlack]

I like your style. Keep up the good work!

[@Godsy_Garage]

This video help me have a huge breakthrough of understanding

[@TravYFZ]

Another awesome vid! Missed the funny edits in this one though.

[@MonkeyFabGarage]

That’s pretty cool to have the data integrated into the dyno.

[@SloppyMechanics]

absolutely awesome

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Excited to play with it for sure. Unfortunately the term x can set up is different, so i can’t do it with term x yet.

[@SecretBachelor]

Your patience is priceless! That’s one great quality a tuner must have and you have it SIR.👍

[@finlay230]

Crackin vid, very interesting, i feel ur pain on the sick front, i got 2 nippers bringing back bugs from school 🙈

[@JLws6CA]

Love the longer vids. Appreciate all the work

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Your the second person to say that on this video. Usually the longer videos flop

[@jamieknight9636]

Great video Joe well done. That sure is a nice car and a perfect streeter

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

It really is isn’t it!

[@joshdavis6378]

Thanks for the videos. I enjoy you showing parts of the whole process. The struggles, decisions, and just general problems you are presented with. Thanks for the content. Hope you have a good weekend.

[@joshdavis6378]

Side note. I also like how you get aggravated with the mowers and motorcycles.

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Thanks i appreciate it! The mower caught me off guard. They never cut the grass and one of the guys at one is the other units was cutting it. Guessing he just got tired of it. The dirt bikes and 4 wheelers are unbearable though!

[@Mattvardaman]

This video quality is great! Good length and editing. Looking forward to seeing what you log on the dyno in the future!

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Usually videos longer than 20 minutes dont perform well. It’s almost hard to keep them under 20 most of the time

[@AnonymousBrain65]

Great video. I really appreciate these long walk throughs. Would have loved to see the plugs and what you were looking at to determine that they could take more timing. I am trying to tune my wife's 64 nova, LSX, 88mm turbo, no intercooler, dominator, E85, on the street and it has not been easy to learn for the first time around. Luckily the LS3 that was in it before was previously tuned for E85 professionally, but we engine swapped it after it blew, and now it has a bigger cam in it, so the old tune is pretty off, but getting there. Get feeling better!

[@edwinrosadojr4592]

Always a good time huh joe

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Always

[@stevelicht8593]

Tuner to tuner here, this is a good video.

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Thanks i appreciate it!

[@TurbineResearch]

240f IAT ! That wild ! What power gains would you expect to see if he added an intercooler on the exact same setup ?

[@pmd7771969]

I had a red car like that. Awsome

[@seanbagbybullitt]

Awesome vid , have a car close to same setup, what was your max timing up on this setup on the final dyno run?

[@jonosjunkyard8603]

Great video Joe, a calm and collected approach to tuning👍

[@jonosjunkyard8603]

Subscribed

[@derekwoods8199]

Did you find out what was kicking closed loop off? Great vid

[@pmd7771969]

We used to buckle sub framed cars with loads of tork. Badly. Hope that one has frame connectors below on it, welded. Bloodviking

[@jamiebush1829]

Thanks...

[@scottgarmon4865]

I don’t come for the videos. I come for the keyboard turners tips in the comments.

[@ModMotorMayhem]

Just out of curiosity, what were you targeting AFR wise on that E85 hot air setup?

[@MegaSmooth37]

What crank position sensor would you use stock or Riley's or AutoZone on a 5.3 383 stroker Terminator x computer

[@UpNorthCatsFan]

in future videos would you mid showing us the duty cycle table as you adjust it. Probably still one of the most confusing part to use on a holley if learning it on your own.

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

I try to show a little bit of different stuff in each one. In this video i was using software i wasn’t allowed to show anybody so i couldn’t record the screen in the tuning side of things

[@shannonsisk]

Non intercooler sucking in hot air behind the radiator 🤘

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

See so many turbos sucking in from the radiator. It can make a big difference in power

[@stlchevy95]

that capitals shirt is gangsta

[@alexmann3309]

Woeful power for the boost, engine, and turbo. Would make 100hp more at 5psi less with an intercooler. But makes for neat engine bay packaging I guess!

[@coltonshimko799]

You're not the only one with keys, happens to me all of the time 😂

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Ok good hahaha

[@evanmeneilley3228]

You’ll start getting autozone ads after 10k followers. ❤️ you

[@minnick99]

Joe, this car is a great example of how slow the GM air temp sensors are. You can see in the datalog that the sensor shows a gradual rise in temperature throughout the run. The actual temperature should follow the boost curve on a non-intercooled setup. Would be cool to see a comparison versus one of the new fast-response sensors out now.

[@hydrocarbon8272]

I beg to differ. You can see it immediately nose over when he let's off. As boost risies it actually gets into a more efficient zone. If efficiency started dropping, you'd see it ramp up faster. Grab a mid-90's Honda IAT if you want to see slow, it takes 5 seconds to register any heat from your finger. On a 25psi pull it would go up 2-3F max.

[@minnick99]

@@hydrocarbon8272 Anything less than an immediate rise with the boost curve is a delay. I would really like to see this yested with a variety of sensors in the piping before the intercooler.

[@Shawn_lsx]

The biggest difference I noticed with the fast-response sensor is when you let off the throttle getting out of boost. It was a slope down with the stock sensor. With the fast sensor it is more of a concave U shape and the temp drop is alot faster.

[@rynev3392]

I could see some methanol injections in the future for some additional safety… great work again

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

He’s gonna do an intercooler, Co2, and a few other things

[@bradpittman5075]

Is that an 80 with the Normal 96/88 turbine? Thanks clap master.

[@ssx6867]

my 2002 trans am hesitating at acceleration from low rpm ,my throttle position sensor reading is fluctuating between 0% and 1% dose this effect anything ??

[@joshbabb8168]

How violent is that downpipe? I have heard that a turbo quieted its down a lot. would you street drive a straight-out downpipe like that?

[@ManiacJohnson1966]

Blue tip Accel injectors?

[@TPVPRO]

Best part of the video is 10:50 😆 JK great video Joe.

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Left that there for you haha

[@snivesz32]

I noticed you don’t listen for knock, is there something measuring that while your tuning?

[@FredAllenBurge]

An IC would have made him an additional 100rwhp or more and safer too.

[@christraudt6730]

a 100 shot would probably net 250hp. methanol would probably add 150 hp. lots of options here, and for what seems to be a car that mostly races on a drag strip its safe enough

[@slows102]

I'm still going to have you tune my nitrous s10...its still not done yet

[@illnock1]

The autozone took the keys

[@zsells9758]

When you said IAT's were nuclear, you meant nuclear 🔥🔥🔥.

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Yes sir haha

[@Godsy_Garage]

What area are you from?

[@BmR692]

Joe, how do you feel tuning e85 and water meth. Also with no intercooler.

[@SandLakeGarage]

Also interested in this.

[@bellotech]

Engine setup Joe 5.3l or 5.7l

[@pmd7771969]

Good pull good numbers but maybe we can get 1250 out of er.

[@horsepoweraddict7199]

Curious, why don’t you like to tune non intercooled e85 car? Mine is, I have meth inj. Thanks for your info

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Ethanol just isn’t methanol is the real answer there. I’d love to do some before and after wirh and with out an intercooler. I will it an opportunity presents it’s self

[@mcnuttchristopher]

Joe, at what point do you get concerned with MAT on these setups? 230-240 seems like a lot to me but I don't know shit haha

[@horsepoweraddict7199]

150-160 concerns me

[@sanger440]

@@horsepoweraddict7199 joe did pull after pull after pull at temps north of 200 and he didn’t seem too concerned about it .

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

I don’t like non intercooled set ups unless it’s on methanol. Kept an eye on everything, started low, kept it fat, kept boost as low as i could. This one is getting an intercooler and some other upgrades soon

[@MegaSpool]

How are you logging things like tps thru the dyno? Wiring analog inputs for everything?

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

CAN. So bascially same way the ecu communicates with a Holley dash. Badass feature with the mainline dyno

[@MegaSpool]

Joe Simpson Thats Fucken awesome. You make me hate my dynojet more and more everyone I watch one of your videos.

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Haha i feel your pain i had a Dynojet years back

[@jamesparkerfpv435]

you need to up your price. 99 percent of dyno shops would turn the customer away and charge them an hour for wasting their time , if they brought a vehicle in for tuning that had any run ability issues !

[@jplperformance9073]

If you weren't so far I need to find someone to wire my Terminator x and fuel system. Kno Anyone in NWI

[@boostedmopar1]

Non-intercooled on gas here 4 digit rwhp.

[@pmd7771969]

Curve that pipe

[@james10739]

Isn't the turbo going to be sucking air thru the radiator

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Yup. Not ideal but 90% or cars do it

[@marcuskaiser1730]

Joe can I get a num or email to contact u about a tune on my Holley terminator x Max Lm7 turbo S10 sloppy stage 2 set up gt45 turbo

[@jeepramz]

When you are dynoing a car with air to water, do keep putting ice in it or just run a water hose through the intercooler

[@thomgt4]

Depends on what you want. If you normally run it with water at ambient temp and want to tune for that, don't run ice. Want max power figures for Facebook? Ice or ice with glycol

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Always use ice

[@jeepramz]

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest I just didn't know if you re iced each pull or not. Do you simulate a full 1/4 pull or just a high gear pull to rev limiter

[@FAFO1984]

I noticed the fuel pressure dropping near the end of the run. Mine does this a little. I'm wondering if it's a concern or if it isn't but 4-5 psi then is it alright as long as the holley compensates?

[@Bacongrease00]

Not a problem with methanol

[@frankdeninno7182]

never mention what timing you ended up at? Looked like the dyne said 5 and you added 2 or 3 at the end ?

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

I never mentioned or showed timing values in this video. Sorry

[@TtopTwinTurbo]

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest I noticed you had them blurred on the dyno screen and figured there was a good reason. I'm guessing liability so that someone doesn't just plug those numbers into something and hurt it and say "but Joe did it!" Just wanted to say this is my first time seeing a video of yours and I instantly subscribed, good stuff!

[@pmd7771969]

At least it's got a roll cage.

[@brandonpylant9349]

Plug reading video. Pump gas and e85

[@Ribbityibzki]

I love the subliminal messages hidden in your data log titles.

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

Haha i always wondered if anybody even noticed

[@woodgrain18]

LoL that's pretty close to what my z28 looks like under the hood LOL except I run M1! My turbo placement is tad different I'm running a Huron Speed hot side I've been running since march 2018 it's been through 3 different iterations 1st was actually a nice street /strip setup killed the sbe ls1 with a gnarly ass ljms can with Pac springs making 708whp turned up through a th400 with the air to air from the kit then swapped a gen4 aluminum sbe 5.3 with the cam from the ls1 made 823 for a while (same intercooler) this was all on vp 110 gas and both motors ran the same s485 turbo with 1.32 t6 housing until my non tuning ass put way to much on the scramble and bent some rods and broke ring lands the car has also been on holley efi hp ecu since 2018 even now my tuner only allows me to play with the ramp and what it leaves on lol definitely not a tuner Im still learning but haven't learned much LoL! Setup number 2 was a sbe ls2 with a healthy off the shelf btr turbo grind with there valve springs and 120 push rods and ls7 lifters this was 180,000 mile ls2 lol I also picked up a prc cnc'ed 799's and the same intake I think that is on that car a summit 102mm sheet metal intake and TB deal they sell as a package with Bosch 210's this time I swapped over to ignite e90 and bought a Chinese air to water intercooler from frozen boost with 5 gallon ice/water tank this was a pretty stout setup I didn't dyno this setup the pb with the 5.3 was a 5.74 I think and this combo went a best of 5.59 @ 119mph maybe a little faster not 100% sure that's been a while ago 2019 to be exact but the car was getting more on the strip side of steet/strip setups lol ! The 3rd and current setup basically race car it's on methanol but it is that same ls2 block I had that got half filled .o5 over and Summit ls pro 4" crank, rods and piston's 403ci with a set of completely rebuilt LSA heads with Manley valves and Wilkes performance that's local to me they got there most aggressive c nc port they do on lsa castings morel btr custom grind can & 685 srings and comp pushrods a used set of fresh Johnson lifters I ran a stock ls 3 intake with billet atomizer 325# injectors ran them for a month and was done with them I ended up spending a ton of money on a holley low ram 16 injector ready intake and 16 Bosch 210's I done a rock solid motorsports tubular front end kit and got all the weight I could for the least amount of money it's still a all steel and glass car except the hood it's down to 3200 with me and 5 gallons of m1 it's got a gt5591 that needed rebuilt so it went to Jose at forced inductions to be freshend up and his 11 blade billet wheel it's been a best of 5.18 @ 134mph it's got more mph in it but I'm pouring the coals to it as much as I can before the 330 it's been together and running awesome for a year and I still haven't ran it super hard on the big end 32 pounds is all I've hit it with so far but its enough for me at the moment I live in North Alabama and two out of three of my local tracks have short shut downs except for Huntsville. I ran rotella for about 3 months but I've been running Schaffers race oil since it's good shit.

[@JoeSimpsonAtTempest]

This is the longest comment I’ve ever had on this channel haha

[@minnick99]

@@JoeSimpsonAtTempest Might be the longest name too, lol.

[@sanger440]

Seems to me that if you run say 15lbs of boost max, the whole intercooler thing on E85 is not worth it.

[@jamieknight9636]

Was thinking the same, and if it's on the street 15psi is lots of power

[@pmd7771969]

Running mild boost on e85 is stupid on most cars..... Bloodviking

[@GTRliffe]

let us see intercooler vs no intercooler no intercooler is way less lag-if anything-fit waterneth,

[@pmd7771969]

Computer cars can be downright hard to tune. Ughhh.

[@pmd7771969]

Intercooler suck

[@JoelFJB]

Wow worst plugs I've ever seen

[@pmd7771969]

Why run an intercooler with e85. Ridiculous....... Bloodviking race engine builder

[@fasteddy]

Why no timing info.....is that a secret?