People like her like her is what made America the greatest country ever and she's a living legend
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
For sure
@chuckthebull Жыл бұрын
When I see these stories about the real America it earns my heart
@ghayes62372 жыл бұрын
WHAT A SWEETHEART! AND PRETTY AS A DOLL ! Please tell Mrs.Thelma she warmed my heart , Americans like her - hard working,modest,and caring for the people around her - are the backbone that made America stand strong and proud !
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@chuckthebull Жыл бұрын
Salt of the earth,, best people on earth.. Love me a Thelma.
@grumpy30852 жыл бұрын
Thelma was my best buddy growing up , we were neighbors, I was a teenager and I spent a lot time with her , I loved her so much, I ask my niece who lives close to her about Thelma, and had told my husband I wanted to go see her just a few days ago and then I found this on here oh are , what a coincidence! Thelma if you are reading this I want you to know you great part of my childhood memories, great memories spending time with you
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@johnboyette4710 Жыл бұрын
Central Florida 15 miles south of. Lakeland. Bradley junction
@ClintWestVood2 жыл бұрын
Literally a staple in human existence. such beautiful dedication and love for her work. she deserves a statue.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Yes it does and so does she
@jenniferflory94602 жыл бұрын
I met Thelma Frogg this past weekend. She made such an impact on me that I googled her name. I am so glad this video popped up!! I have to share that in August of 2022 Les is still walking up. I just realized that is the man who was walking up to "bring her her medicine" when I left the other day.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@petemavus29482 жыл бұрын
@@theappalachianchannel I'll be subscribing in hopes you bring more quickly disappearing people, places and content like this. Keep up the good work and Thank You. 👍🎶⚖️🇺🇲🤟🌉✌️🇺🇦🗽🎶👏
@harlowhart73152 жыл бұрын
How sweet
@susiearviso30322 жыл бұрын
I was born in 1956. I did get to travel with my daddy and see old places like this. I loved it.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
thank you for your comments my friend:
@petemavus29482 жыл бұрын
At one time you could find these special little places up and down the East Coast as well. I've traveled all over this great country and they are getting harder and harder to just come upon or find. The best have open hearts and treat everyone like good neighbors.
@73beetle19 Жыл бұрын
Me too! June of 1956. I love the Mom and Pop stores.
@fnln544 Жыл бұрын
Indeed a caring, dedicated businesswoman, mother, wife and friend to the community.
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and your comment
@rockreader42982 жыл бұрын
This vid popped up and I'll tell you what, both Thelma Frogg and her good friend Les stole my heart. Thank You John, for all you do to make and share these films with us. You have the best job, being able to interact with folks like them. They touch one's heart and life.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@kathymclain26322 жыл бұрын
Wish I could go spend the day with her. She’s a sweet sweet lady! God bless you Thelma Frogg! ❤️🙏🏻
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
She’d love for you to stop in. She loves the passers by
@niamhneevekinsella7951 Жыл бұрын
Wow, god bless you Thelma, what a lovely name. I adore her stories, I’d love to hear more. I’m sure she could write a book. Best wishes from Ireland 🇮🇪 Thelma
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching
@lisalooney26812 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed meeting Thelma! She's a very strong woman. She reminds me of my Mama and her Sister, you just cant slow them down. It's in their bones. Im looking forward to visiting with Thelma again!! Oh, btw, i think her little friend liked her for more than just friend's. They are just precious!! I love what youre bringing to me & sharing Appalachia with me daily, John. Awesome work youre doing to keep the past alive!!! God Bless and keep you close to Him in all of your travels!! Thanks again!!
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@robbeaty23162 жыл бұрын
She’s such a sweet soul. I need to swing by her store next time I’m in Scott County
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the comment there my friend..
@williamengland61192 жыл бұрын
What a sweet lady and a true gentleman Les for his kindness toward her. Thank you for sharing this awesome story. William
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@holleyjomartinez40092 жыл бұрын
Like a lot of other folks here I too was born in 1956. It seems interestingly strange to me that this lady was just opening her store and beginning her life there when my parents had me - and I was beginning my life. So much fun! Thank you for a wonderful video! 🥰
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment my friend: What State do you watch my videos from?
@holleyjomartinez40092 жыл бұрын
The Lone Star state! Houston, Texas, Ya’LL! 🥰
@joejohnston20352 жыл бұрын
Thelma, she's one of those we hear called "a dying breed" . I do on site lawn mower repair and I hear the phrase often. God bless her
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and your comment
@jerryblack42752 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video Thelma has a great store and she’s very organized and keeps it nice and clean !! Thanks so much ❤
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome 😊
@MsCassieCrowe2 жыл бұрын
How interesting! I love your channel...it's like getting to go loafering around to see the kind of places I like without having to leave the house. Thank you for making these videos ❤
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@cumberlandquiltchic12 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful lady! Thanks for telling her story.
@cumberlandquiltchic12 жыл бұрын
Les is so sweet…. I think he’s quite fond of Thelma.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@richardwtorek21052 жыл бұрын
You know it does my heart to see it does my heart good to see folks like this you people are America's backbone and I love you all like my brothers and sisters in Christ may God richly bless all of you
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@jeffscott83232 жыл бұрын
Wish life was this Simple again
@Trust32 жыл бұрын
This is American History at its finest! Thank you much!!!
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@mikecurtis25852 жыл бұрын
Another great story. Thanks 🙂🙏
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@julieielasi41562 жыл бұрын
What a nice old lady her corner shop eow nothing left her in Adelaide south Australia like thst anymore. Shame power yo her still working in old age fantastic! Thsnk you gor this video.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@PSBEadventures Жыл бұрын
My buddy and I ride dual sport motorcycles all over the Appalachian range and visit these old stores and meet these awesome folks. That big snow she was talking about, we got caught in it around Front Royal and Skyline Drive on our bikes. Grew up in the foothills of the Blue Ridge mountains and still haven't found a better place. I'm so glad we found your channel. I'm marking these little stores on the map while I watch. Planning a trip this spring now to ride up 116 up around new river and into Kentucky! Appreciate you documenting these man!!
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks that means so much, thanks for watching
@johnkopinto8293 Жыл бұрын
As far as I'm concerned. The richest business lady on earth. What a beautiful way to earn a living
@mikeechols51032 жыл бұрын
Thank you for dong these films ! I enjoy them ALL !
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you like them my friend..
@lindafisher83532 жыл бұрын
Loving your videos, traveling back in time, the best of the best, proving that there's still good people in the world. I would love to have your job!
@roymarksberry41522 жыл бұрын
What a good story she is a living legend and what the old guy said about helping people I bet you that is so very true
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@FernandoOcumare Жыл бұрын
What a sweet lady. 65 years of hard work ! That's amazing. God Bless y'all 🙏
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Bless you too! Thank you so much
@dayzemae90152 жыл бұрын
How fun! I can’t image bringing up a bunch of kids in the back of that store….I loved that little table, you could sit there with a cup f coffee looking out and watching people go by.✝️🇺🇸💕
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Great idea!!
@anthonyrufo9113 Жыл бұрын
That was epic, " think about more or less, but don't think about more & you got me "
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Dakiniwoman5 ай бұрын
I enjoyed seeing this heartwarming video... I think Les is sweet on Thelma :) John, I hope you bought a few things from Thelma.
@Diddley-js6lf2 жыл бұрын
She was ready for Dinner, very cool. We will be down in May or June for a visit with my Two Brothers, the Oldest and Youngest.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the comment there my friend..
@Diddley-js6lf2 жыл бұрын
Hey maybe you can come and meet us so I can show Cades Cove along with the Wears Valley area where my family settled in the 1700 from Virginia and Boston, we have our family traced back to 930 from Normandy. Also tons of home places where out family was bought out by the Park Division for the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, the Walker Sister was apart of our Family. Out family was some of the first settlers from the north, Scotts and Irish along with the Abbott’s were English from Sir Morris Abbott Google his name and read his Accolades. A very very Prominent Man in England then reaching into the New World. Family that has fought in the war of 1812, Revolutionary War, Civil War, every War to Date. Lots of History in Tennessee.
@joshbrown13812 жыл бұрын
This makes me smile. This lady is a Gem. She is what makes America great.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@joshbrown13812 жыл бұрын
@@theappalachianchannel Central Texas. I truly appreciate you and how you are documenting the unique area of appalachia. I spent a number of years on the coast of NC. Elizabeth City area.
@petemavus29482 жыл бұрын
Makes America great yes I agree, but that expression has come to mean something that made America cringe unfortunately.
@gregembrey29472 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work my friend. love seeing the old stores, they are about gone.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@richardperkins61322 жыл бұрын
Not many of these places left anymore thats for sure. We really appreciate you taken the time to go out an catch them on video before they are all gone. 😁👍👍
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watch my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@richardperkins61322 жыл бұрын
@@theappalachianchannel we watch them from good ol' kentucky.
@pattyrainwater50957 ай бұрын
Wow…Thelma you are a good Spirit and enjoyed your interview❤👍🏼
@ronalddavis77112 жыл бұрын
Love that name Thelma classy hardworking lady God bless
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@sgc19592 жыл бұрын
I love all your vidios , It takes me back in time, I was born in 1959
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@NAMVETSTARLITE2 жыл бұрын
ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO I'M 76 I REMEMBER THE LITTLE STORES.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@jenpattenaude94212 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed watching this one-great lady great story 😃💛👍
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@blossom16432 жыл бұрын
Sweet Lady. It breaking my heart to think these old places like this are disappearing. Lotta got memories in stores like that
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@laraoneal72842 жыл бұрын
I’m really impressed with this channel and had just stumbled on it a couple days ago. These ppl are Salt of the earth. This store and lady are so charming .
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear that you like my channel here. What state are you from?
@leroycaudill96 Жыл бұрын
Love these old country stores and the people who run them.
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and your comment
@sharlynebeach2786 Жыл бұрын
It is great you are doing these type of videos. Ms. Thelma has lived a hard but interesting life, one would assume. Love old country stores, antique things and such. Thanks.
@sharongaddy54232 жыл бұрын
Thank you for keeping the past alive !
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@joysteward87852 жыл бұрын
Ty for bringing me some wonderful memories from my childhood
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for SUBSCRIBING to my Channel and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@brendatroy28432 жыл бұрын
I think some of the people in the community should get together and find a way to keep that store in business . Even after the time comes when GOD CALLS MS THELMA HOME TO HEAVEN. I believe this would make Ms Thelma very happy to know that someone out there still cares to keep this store in business for many more years to come.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@petemavus29482 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately once these things change hands, new owners are forced to change practically everything due to modern codes and specifications, often so much so that they lose all heart and recognition of what once was.
@LoggyDoggy2 жыл бұрын
Nice video thank you for shareing
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@davebrooks29422 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for some more history
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment, you can also find my videos on Facebook under Appalachian Homes People and places.
@nancyyonce29062 жыл бұрын
I would love to go to the store and meet Thelma,. I bet she knows a lot of good stories !!!!!
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@roberthicks57042 жыл бұрын
Another really fun video. Thank you so much. Greetings from North Mississippi.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@jeremyswindell23302 жыл бұрын
Awsome video john! Good see there still some great people out there
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by my channel and watching a video. I have over 100 videos here on my channel so please check them out as you have time. John Ward
@cherylroumillat3660 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful Precious Memories Sweetheart's..❤🤍💙⚘🎚🍑
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@chadrobertsletsride74892 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your videos. I know where about all the places are.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@AndersonMedia2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos. Wish would had stuff to video my grandparents lot of stories of mountain life. Only ever heard name Les twice in my life my name and my paps. Not a common name.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
hello again Les. Yeah they are a les in this video for sure.
@73beetle19 Жыл бұрын
I was born in 1956 that was a very good year! God bless everyone!
@Mrs.Frankenstein Жыл бұрын
She is the sweetest woman!!
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Yes she is
@joanncoopertroupe3506 Жыл бұрын
God Bless Thelma and Her Dear friend Les!
@LuisaD932 жыл бұрын
Bless her heart ! I would have loved to see more of the store and the items/prices Etc. And the back room/s where she raised her family! Maybe on your next visit please? 😃🌹 thank ya much!!
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
he sure is..Thank you so much for SUBSCRIBING to my Channel and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@LuisaD932 жыл бұрын
@@theappalachianchannel Hi John . I’m from North Jersey. Not far from the Delaware Water Gap. In Rockaway. Just a short ride to the Poconos. Have family all over Pennsylvania and visit often. Love Appalachia and the people there ! I visit as often as I can. I love the old ways and the easy life ! Thanks for the great videos !
@petemavus29482 жыл бұрын
@@LuisaD93 Hi, is the diner in E. Stroudsburg (I think, right over the state line, maybe 1st exit off 80) with the fresh homemade pies right next door still there ?
@efogg311 ай бұрын
Pretty cool. Love Appalachia
@MarkWYoung-ky4uc2 жыл бұрын
I love those old country stores. I can remember when every community in my county had at least one.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@petemavus29482 жыл бұрын
There are so few of these places left. One I loved was practically on the state line in Nyack New York, with a vintage Indian Motorcycle sign, sold fresh fruits, vegetables, pies from it's own little side stand from the gas station which had an awning with pumps like this one. They would sometimes be filming scenes there. Woodie Allen did "Purple Rose Of Cairo" nearby in Piermont N.Y. as well. It was so laid back, casually elegant and beautiful before the Real Estate started flipping constantly and all the locals were forced out.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@stepheneggert94742 жыл бұрын
You don't see that kind of store any more ..we had a small store like hers..in IL.untill 1985. Called the millers little store. Till they sold and retired..ice cream bars .for a qauter..back then.and pick one up mom's cigs with a note or she would call Mrs Miller she would have it in a brown bag waiting for me..back then..that was service..great video..enjoyed watching it..and her story...
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@1spankytc2 жыл бұрын
What a nice lady reminding me of aunt from Missouri
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
She sure is!
@pamelamessman9759 ай бұрын
What a beautiful woman.Less I think is more. 😂 Bless her Lord🙏🏻
@davidgrizzle8271 Жыл бұрын
Just beautiful
@pepperdog37612 жыл бұрын
Back bone of this great country.
@wyatterp6480 Жыл бұрын
For some reason there is no like on this page, but I do like it!!! I like all your videos John!!!
@onrycodger Жыл бұрын
Hope you have an awesome Christmas 🎄 👍
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Happy holidays!
@travelsfromdoodah9492 жыл бұрын
I need to get down to Georgia, the Mangum's have alot of history in certain part's. You sir look like my wife's dad , last name of wildes..they have history in Georgia also.
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and your comment
@tommarple14496 ай бұрын
Very nice lady
@theappalachianchannel6 ай бұрын
Very nice
@joanncoopertroupe3506 Жыл бұрын
Shes Precious!!
@kennethboydsr39669 ай бұрын
Love this ❤
@mtibbe Жыл бұрын
She’s adorable!!!
@belindacarinaboco64102 жыл бұрын
Wow...nice
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@joelkoonce8559 Жыл бұрын
Goodness gracious, what a WOMAN !!!
@connieparker88962 жыл бұрын
I want to make this stop, let me know what city county and State I’ll truly want to meet her
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
It's in Rugby, Tennessee! Stop on by and check out the store!
@warrengilbert9100 Жыл бұрын
very nice and sweet lady
@wyatterp6480 Жыл бұрын
My Mom had tohelp support the family!!!
@joanncoopertroupe3506 Жыл бұрын
God Bless Thelma..
@blackhorse2947 Жыл бұрын
Another Tennessee Shinning Diamond……….. Go Vols
@jackwright99602 жыл бұрын
this was in Tennessee how neat is that
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Yes, in Rugby, Tennessee! Thanks for watching
@MrsFogg912 жыл бұрын
Hello Mrs. Frogg,my name is Rainybelle Fogg.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Hello! Frogg & Fogg...lol
@debbiegibson64642 жыл бұрын
that is my great aunt on my fathers side his name was buddy eugene mccartt
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment my friend. John
@steveshanabarger4108 Жыл бұрын
love that pepsi cooler there.
@debpatriot95572 жыл бұрын
She did not need more schooling because she is smart.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
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@432b86ed2 жыл бұрын
Thelma is a beautiful women, in so many ways.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watch my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@jeffreypetree7163 Жыл бұрын
Thelma was no nonsense ,, is Les your boyfriend ,, he's just a friend " lol ..
@redcougar642 жыл бұрын
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Donna! Thank you for watching!
@jeffscott83232 жыл бұрын
And a lot of people think these people are dumb. Think again Shes real organized. On her Fianances
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching my videos and making a comment, I love to hear what people have to say. What state do you watch my videos from? John
@jeffscott83232 жыл бұрын
@@theappalachianchannel Gladys Va. A small Rural Community lots of Farms here and Amish great place to live
@edwinthompson65102 жыл бұрын
i was born 1941 my mother was born 1903 dad 1899 my moms mother 109 when she passed ,,,,,, i can remember Botts general stores sold every thing for a few cents i ould get candies gob-stoppers to last a week lol Edwin
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@edwinthompson65102 жыл бұрын
@@theappalachianchannel ive subbed and clicked the notification button so i shall not miss any vid shows thanks ,,,,Ed
@kathybannister6562 жыл бұрын
What a sweet couple they make.
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@Uhaul-wg5fj Жыл бұрын
❤🌷❤
@theappalachianchannel Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@johnboyette4710 Жыл бұрын
Where is her store at. You didn't say
@joewoodchuck38242 жыл бұрын
Not too far from me.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
stop by sometime and say hello to Thelma, Thanks for your comment.
@nickf.28712 жыл бұрын
In the beginning if she didnt have a slight shake I couldve sworn that was a statue of her.
@theappalachianchannel2 жыл бұрын
Ok. Thanks for your comment
@redrebels24Ай бұрын
She's a sweety!! I hope she has taken someone under her wing so as to keep this legendary store going
@wyatterp6480 Жыл бұрын
My Mom only went to 6th grade and then became a seamstress
@scottclark7592 Жыл бұрын
such a beautiful low key person-acts like her blood pressure is 20