1970 Pontiac GTO Judge vs 1969 Dodge Super Bee | FACTORY STOCK DRAG RACE

[@CarsAndZebras]

Get ready for some judge puns. Comment who you think will win this one!

[@futon02]

B body!

[@futon02]

But I would totally take a judge any day

[@garypickrell7702]

Mopar

[@CudaRebelsAutoModeling426]

Ignore the haters! Your commentary is hilarious! Keep up the epic vids!

[@chevyblue10]

Man, I dig the jokes & puns. It's what sets you apart in my world and makes your videos the best. Car guys have it rough sometimes. It's real nice to sit back at the end of a bad day and get a chuckle from another car guy. You've got something special. Please don't stop. ML&R

[@justpray365]

I love Pontiac and Mopar. It’s a win win!

[@CarsAndZebras]

True!

[@79tazman]

Same here I'm a big Mopar guy but my favorite GM Division is Pontiac

[@XBobbyVegasX]

Love these matchups, both owners checked the right boxes.... Two dream machines!!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Both extremely nice cars!

[@Guardian4ever]

For this one My heart says Pontiac but my brain says MOPAR...also...I wouldn't mind a few fart jokes too 🌮😏

[@CarsAndZebras]

Your wish is my command

[@freedomwon2004]

💩

[@jacksemporiumofstuff]

Right there with you on the Pontiac and Mopar analogy. I'm a GTO guy from way back (and owned several back in the day), but those Mopars are such beasts.

[@garypickrell7702]

I just want to say that I like the commentary and the videos just were not the same without it.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching!

[@freedomfirst5420]

Agreed!

[@josephmartinez8803]

Disagree!

[@freedomfirst5420]

@@josephmartinez8803 I agree to disagree with you.😆

[@josephmartinez8803]

@@freedomfirst5420 Agreed!

[@IntlOilman]

Unlike the Callers-In, who do not see the creativeness of your Commentary, I “Object to line line of Reasoning!”Love your videos & Commentary and appreciate that you make these videos for those of us who, albeit love American Muscle, but don’t live near a Drag Strip venue like yourself.

[@79tazman]

Same here

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for the kind words!

[@chevyblue10]

Now that's what I'm talking about! Two of my favorite muscle cars and both showing out! Both exceeded my expectations.

[@larryw5429]

I think this channel is awesome and entertaining!

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@damienreilly8061]

Those are two beautiful cars! Always been a big fan of the judge! 🤙🇺🇲

[@CarsAndZebras]

I think it’s the first time I’d seen a green ‘70 Judge in person….very cool car!

[@damienreilly8061]

@@CarsAndZebras I've seen 2 in 40 years and lots of car shows, pretty freaking rare. Im definitely a fan!

[@gregs.7963]

I grew up in Chicago and lived 6 blocks from Grand Spaulding Dodge (Mr. Norms). My neighborhood was full of Super Bees and the like. Since retired I now live full time about 20 minutes from the 131 dragway. Best of three worlds: Chicago, Super Bees, and Michigan!

[@martinblack7086]

I grew up just outside Chicago in Des Plaines. Everybody who knew performance knew about Mr. Norm's! Had my 340 demon dynotuned there. Great memories! Do you remember Skips drive in at north Ave and river rd. -A hotrod mecca back in the day 🚖

[@fancylad2006]

Keep up the commentary, it is great! Love your videos.

[@CarsAndZebras]

thanks for watching 👍

[@CarsAndZebras]

Don’t forget to follow the “stock appearing drag racers” Facebook group and show the owners some love!

[@norristammislideshowmulgre877]

I'm a Mopar man first and FOREMOST then GM.

[@geraldlafleur7776]

Wow, that GTO would have won if they were equal weight . They both were well matched, well driven and maxed out! Always love you're enthusiastic commentary too. You do you I say.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching!

[@PecanRanch]

If the Bee had a four speed as well, the Bee would drop three tenths ..easy..

[@beezie2566]

If they were equal in just transmissions, the judge would have won. Easy. But the supeebee should have been put up against a SD 455 car

[@norristammislideshowmulgre877]

It was a great race but the 200 pounds would not be enough to chang the outcome.

[@beezie2566]

@@norristammislideshowmulgre877 200 pounds is easily 2 tenths in a quarter mile

[@earlyetman5588]

Awesome race between two incredible cars!

[@1967davethewave]

I own a 69 Judge and a 68 Roadrunner so I guess I go, both ways🤣🤣🤣!!! And you'll never make everyone happy. The internet is full of keyboard tough guys who have no real life so they have to actually take time to cut down someone for no reason. I subscribed to your channel because I love muscle cars, I love that you give great information about the cars, I love the rules that these cars have to conform to keep them "mostly" stock and number 1, I love the humor. It's straight from my circle of friends. We all make the same remarks no matter how lame they might be!!! Keep 'em coming, we'll keep watching.

[@garybattaglia4009]

Great Race! Great Commentary! Just great balance of interesting information and sound effects. I really don't understand why folks like to complain about your style. Your humor is what makes the channel unique and great fun!

[@wildgator]

I love your content, your dry humor and editing is phenominal. Thank you algorithm gods for sending me to your channel

[@davidbattaglia2336]

Your extra drippy flatulence sound effect@3:29 had my wife laughing hard. She lost her dear cat this weekend and has had a hard time of it. Thank you for giving her a reason to laugh.

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching, sorry to hear about the cat. It’s never easy to go through that.

[@davidbattaglia2336]

@@CarsAndZebras When people tell your your humor is childish/immature…whatever… just remember that you did reach someone today and made their day better. Thank you for that.

[@markwatkins8024]

Closer than I expected !!!

[@CudaRebelsAutoModeling426]

Awesome race! I'm a true Mopar nut! But that GTO judge is amazing! Thanks for posting!

[@CarsAndZebras]

The Judge was a VERY clean car

[@CudaRebelsAutoModeling426]

You got that right brotha! Ignore the ppl hating on the commentary, that's what makes these the best drag racing videos on YT 👍👊💨

[@davegeisler7802]

The Judge needed a 421SD not the Ram IV , Pontiac should have kept the 421SD all through the 60s ( it was their BEST engine ) and make it a top factory option 🏁

[@Elite59]

The Mopar took the GTO out of the hole (maybe due to lower gears?) by a little over a car length. Then held on to win the race by about the same amount. They were pretty much dead even after the first 40 yards. Back in the day, I used to have a 68' GTO. The 68' version had a 400 cubic inch motor came with 10.75 compression pistons 360 HP and a 373 rear end. Beefed her up a bit with a dual point distributor, a Holly 650 double pumper, headers and a Sig Erson Racing Cam. She ran real nice. My present day car is a 2017 Dodge Charger HellCat...

[@kellyfinney7381]

This is totally insane... And very entertaining! GOOD STUFF!!!

[@jakeorenzo1009]

GTOs Forever 💪

[@mynameis9057]

Alriiiiight I'm so so so glad you're back making your own brand of humours comments and informed muscle commentary, it wasn't the same without you imo!!!!!

[@ericsantiago6832]

Glad to have the commentator back

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@markkissinger7042]

Love the videos with commentary. Keeps it fun & interesting

[@CarsAndZebras]

I appreciate that! 👍

[@rogerlairamore207]

@@CarsAndZebrasbut But sometimes your your language is disrespectfula d disgusting but 👎🏽

[@79tazman]

The 1969 A12 package was on the Plymouth Road Runner and the Dodge Super Bee only and they were and still are badass!!

[@alberthilliger4892]

Glad the commentary is back!

[@watchthetriple8224]

Another great video. If you don't like fart jokes you are being unAmerican!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching!

[@rong4189]

The verdict is in, and given the evidence presented, the Coronet made beelievers out of the jury.

[@Wilson-cp4gx]

I expected the A12 to beat the RA4 by almost a second rather than just a tenth or so. Looks like the A12 automatic had a better hole shot. May have been even closer timeslips if the RA4 had done that, but the 4 speed is tougher to get a perfect launch. Still, the RA4 exceeded my expectations.

[@jacksemporiumofstuff]

It's so hard to get a good holeshot with a Muncie 4 speed without wrecking the drivetrain. 4 speeds and stick shifts in general are cool, but if you want to win drag races autos are the way to go.

[@paultaktikian1485]

Amazing Pontiac was giving up 40 cid and still did well

[@jaylamb9546]

@@paultaktikian1485 If it was a Ram Air V which unfortunately wasn’t released to the public, it would have won.

[@paultaktikian1485]

@@jaylamb9546 The outcome of many,many drag races would have been different if they had to run against RamAir V's

[@haromaster6086]

Don’t listen to that dork. That’s one reason why I do tune into your videos. the commentary gives me a smile and makes me laugh especially on days when I need it.

[@lilredexptsc]

Once I saw the plates of the A12 I knew it was game over for the Judge. Awesome cars but it’s hard to compete with a well tuned 440 6 pack car.

[@goneshootin61]

I think a 70' buick withe a 455 stage 1 would !

[@lilredexptsc]

@@goneshootin61 One of the few that would and could potentially beat it. Love those 455 motors too. Torque monsters!

[@GH-el9ch]

The only diff was the hole shot

[@ImNatexv]

My grandma has a real sixpack superbee. Bought it in '71 and grandpa bought his 63 dodge new with a stage II 426 max wedge. Both ran high 12s off the showroom floor

[@stephenholland5930]

Wow, cool grandparents.

[@philliplehl5578]

Lmaoooo dude I absolutely love watching these. The fact you get into the specs before the race, for nerds like us it's heaven lol. Love your channel dude please don't quit this shit!

[@burtvincent1278]

Love the panning and informing on the cars before the race.

[@daltonmann4916]

man that SB is tough to beat!

[@tinytonehouse]

Nice job I love your videos

[@Chevroletman5]

The Judge was over ruled........................................ GREAT COMMENTARY.................

[@louiskats5116]

Goodday C & Z, What a awesome race, not a bad time for the Poncho considering it was heavier & a 4 speed. Sounded awesome but those A12 they were build to just run the quarter mile. Beautiful interior in the GOAT. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching! Tough to compete with an A12

[@larrybone4565]

Much respect for one of America's greatest Allies. Australia 🇦🇺

[@wattsmichaele]

Excellent video young man. Keep up the great work!

[@stuffandjunkandthings364]

I f#cking love the commentary and silliness. Keep up the good work

[@lelomiliken7598]

A bee stung the judge....💥💥😖.

[@CarsAndZebras]

👍

[@gzuzsavz]

Fab vid, C&Z! Still cool having your humor & cutaways Back :) ..i was at a decent car show, approx. 300 cars this past weekend..did see a Judge about like this one and..no A12 cars, but a '69 Hemi 'bee was present in Top Banana yellow :D My fave car there, was a '66 Satellite droptop with a 440, in gold

[@CarsAndZebras]

Nice!

[@gzuzsavz]

@@CarsAndZebras Indeed! Thnx for the fun/funny/fast/flatulence infused vids! aha

[@charlesdalton985]

What an *honor* to get to watch this *honey* of a race. Serious question - the exhaust manifolds on the Super Bee look like the log style, shouldn’t they be the riser style? In any event - thanks as always and love the commentary 🌮 🌮

[@gzuzsavz]

i'd say you're right. there was a plethora of diff ex. manis as ya know. the skinny lil 2 bbl logs, the bigger logs for 4 bbls cars, the fabulous late 60's magnum V8 logs & the radical, upswept pieces you're referring to, speaking expressly of wedge big blocks, here. Idk why they bothered with the small logs on lo-po mills, but there they were. you'd think the magnum & premo upswept ones would fill all bills. zero extra cost to make.

[@68dart]

Awesome , Thanks C&Z

[@CarsAndZebras]

Thanks for watching!

[@stevepick9527]

Great cars, great race! If The Judge would have left right on the light it would have been almost dead even.

[@LITTLE1994]

Nice race.

[@63MacGuy]

Great video! I would have loved to have seen both with automatics. Same outcome probably

[@schuey999]

Both got great launches and faster than I expected. I don't believe a stock GTO Judge could run a 12.

[@davegeisler7802]

Pontiac should have just made the 421 SD all through the 60s and made it a top option to order and call it good , it was the top dog. 👑🏁💪🏼 Ram III or Ram IV 400 were putting out about 70 hp less.

[@samspade8612]

A 2 outta 3 would've been sweet. Could've gone either way. Beautiful cars.

[@TBullCajunbreadmaker]

Just goes to show you what a 727 torque flite is good for.

[@K-Effect]

The fart sound get me every time 🤣💨

[@tct9mm151]

Both are beautiful cars but it just blows my mind how a 440 can have almost 1400 cfm of carburetor and still run great.

[@gzuzsavz]

the outboard carbs are vacuum operated..the mill just draws what she needs..& no cfm limit whatsoever :D a moderate 340 is shown to want at least an 850 on a dyno. a full tilt 440, 1,000 seems like a good start. ..it's quicker to fill a bucket with a 1" line than a 1/2" line, all else being equal, after all. recalling the carter thermo-quad of the 70's-80's..they had 800 & 850 cfm models. picture a 150 hp smogged out (poor things) 318 & running an 800 cfm carb, bog free! again..an air door covered the gargantuan secondaries & the engine only drew on demand, as much air as she could. ..such a shame looking back, those fabulous 318's & 360's, 400's & 440's all restricted & trying to breathe through so much rubbish! 440's struggling to make 200 hp..such a crime. ofc..it meant over time these engines had never seen much high rpm use, bc gears like 2.45's & were just a cam, intake, dist & ign away from their former glory :D

[@1967davethewave]

@@gzuzsavz You have variable venturi carbs confused with vacuum secondary. It takes a very complicated system to cause secondaries to operate with variable venturis but vacuum secondaries open completely when the vacuum drops below a certain point. In order to assure that they open correctly they are usually designed to open when manifold vacuum falls to about 3 inches. They are slowed from opening by their vacuum operation which eliminates a lean bog during acceleration but they either open 100% or not at all. If you ever watch a dyno video where they have a camera mounted over the carbs you can see them drop open 100% when the acceleration starts. GM and Ford both tried variable venturi carbs in the late 70's but they didn't work well and were never used in any sort of performance application.

[@timmotel5804]

Great race for both beautiful cars. Thanks

[@frankammirati3385]

Wow really impressive numbers for both .

[@THROTTLEPOWER]

Very cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 👍👍👍

[@bruceallen6016]

Two quick cars! Thumb up.

[@davidbattaglia2336]

If all things are equal, I’m going to say the Super Bee. Don’t “Judge” me too hard if I’m wrong.

[@1badhaircut]

But it can be 3 different engines - 2 transmissions- gears from 3.23 to 4.10 … so there’s a lot of variables.

[@davidbattaglia2336]

@@1badhaircut which is why I said “all things being equal” 😉 If they have similar sized engines, but one has 4:10 and the other has 3:07…..yeah, the 4:10 will win.

[@steelpenguin1]

@@1badhaircut that’s an A12 package Bee. 440 six pack and a 4:10 Dana rearend I believe

[@Mike583]

@@1badhaircut Man you really need to read the descriptions of both cars! It tells you what drivetrain both cars have!!!

[@sjsz06]

Back in the day I had a 1968 427 Convertible Corvette and raced a GTO Judge at the Tulsa Dragway. My best pass prior to the race was 13.38 @ 107... I don't remember what the Judge dialed in but I dialed in as 13.5. He got a head start but I caught him in 2nd gear. So he was probably closer to the listed time in the comments above. Makes me think these two were not totally stock.

[@gimmesomesugar]

Very evenly matched. I love green on a Ponti.

[@cannarris]

The only thing that will beat a mopar is a stage 1 buick..these poor GTO's always struggle..but they do look good.

[@danam0228]

115 MPH! 115 MPH! OMG! I'm actually not surprised 🤪

[@neilwhitmore]

I like the commentary at the beginning because who doesn't like awesome specs and poop jokes?

[@danhoyland142]

Judge owner: yeah I think I drag race my 100,000 dollar plus GTO with its incredibly rare original ram air IV and risk blowing it up dropping the value in half.

[@terminatorx2545]

That was a race where the was no loser. Both legends

[@norristammislideshowmulgre877]

Absolutely agree

[@terryhunsicker3708]

My friends uncle had a 1970 455 Buick GSX and raced Hemi cars at Lyons drag strip, always edging them out. Always close but not cigar for the stock Hemi cars.

[@steelpenguin1]

I knew the Mopar would win but that GTO ran a lot better than I thought it would. Both awesome cars!

[@Mike583]

Since the description says the Mopar is lighter,more hp & an automatic...I'm going with it!

[@CarsAndZebras]

Not a bad choice!

[@mocarpenter8836]

Omg your back !!

[@srt8rocketship241]

I know that these are not typical factory but I would love to see a race between a Ford Thunderbolt and a LO23 Hurst Hemi Dart. That would be cool.

[@dr.detroit1514]

The only problem was the Firebirds and Lemans based cars in those years where limited to 400cid, which handicapped them somewhat with a shortage of cubes. What I really would have liked to have seen was had Pontiac been allowed to install the 428 in those vehicles. That would have prompted Pontiac to develop a 428 cube Ram Air 4 for that application. It would probably have been rated at around 395 hp. Pure Stock Racing RA4 400's make around 440 hp fully blueprinted and tuned, so I figure a RA4 428 would make around 470 HP fully done. Then, especially in the lighter Firebird, it would have been more of a match for those Chrysler and Chevy Big Boys.

[@TheDatadrew]

C&Z jinx... Whenever I hear "Let's see who wins" and it involves a Pontiac, put all your money on the other car.

[@CarsAndZebras]

HA🤣 it does end up like that quite a bit!

[@chevyblue10]

Especially if the other car is a Mopar. But hey, that Judge didn't lose imo. Low 12s ain't losing, I don't care what the other lane does.

[@beezie2566]

Put a 4 speed in the bee and it loses

[@Richard4point6]

Put a Pontiac engine in a Judge and it loses.

[@beezie2566]

@@Richard4point6 it has one....

[@JorgeFlores-jw4gk]

I'm a Pontiac guy but they're both really beautiful cars with their own respects.

[@robertstevens1537]

I wish you would give the prices and stuff, thats a really nice touch.

[@mac76239]

My love is still for the GTO, specifically a 68. But 68-70 I would dream of owning. Now switch drivers, might be due to poor gear shifting.

[@J_ismyname48]

That super bee cut a better light and held the lead for the win.

[@GerardoGarcia-mr1yk]

Mopar💪🏽

[@babybush9525]

I think I may have seen the super bee at the gas station the other week

[@joshuacohn2004]

I love the commentary!!!!!

[@marcturk4410]

love those RAPOM's and Anticops😉🤣🤣

[@tt600pch]

It is surprising how many guys seem my bright orange 442 clone and think at first it is a carousel red judge. Also surprising how many kids see it being General Lee orange. Confusing times... Sometimes I want to say ''don't Judge me''

[@shiftkings1028]

Happy to get a mention in the video! I wonder if we will ever get a face reveal 🤔

[@CarsAndZebras]

Nope! 😆

[@epicgaming9544]

My 70 truck has green interior with a 350 V8 4 barrel

[@justen98]

Sounded like one of them were spinning the tires pretty good. I'm not surprised though lol.

[@raiderrich8355]

I love my Mopars and I'm also a Pontiac fan but on race day I'm Mopar or no car..

[@ronaldfilkins6448]

Ive seen these vids both ways and the commentator is way better, no comp.....

[@spartynation7021]

Hope too see ya at mid Michigan this wk end.

[@billhoots4515]

Looked like that win was all about the RT

[@garrisonnichols7372]

The Pontiac 400 Ram Air 4 was much better than the Ram Air 3. Most of these Judge GTOs had the Ram Air 3 so this car is kinda rare

[@kimmorrison9169]

evenly matched cars. Poncho Ram Air 4’s are pretty damn rare. Ram Air 3’s not so rare😜

[@bobgrim9605]

Totally loved it !

[@fmbbeachbum8163]

To all the haters of farts........turn the channel.

[@kevinsnyder4425]

And they sound kinda wet,too.!

[@1badhaircut]

1968 Road Runner a copy of 1964 GTO -- Judge a copy of the cartoonish Road Runner. Very strange but fun.

[@OpenRoader]

For the record, I ONLY watch tis channel for the farts! Change NOTHING!

[@alanarmstrong2323]

It would be more fair if gto was racing a fully optioned out gtx than a stripped out race car !

[@rodeleon2875]

it was the barometric pressure that got the judge

[@Bwiser63]

Because those Roadrunners were bad ass.

[@srt8rocketship241]

They were holdin' their noses high all the way down and pulling hard at the finish.