1974 Running Shoe vs 2024 Running Shoe

[@TheUnlazyWay]

So next time I run a bad race, I can just blame it on my old running shoes👌I'm also extremely jealous of your running form, so smooth😭!

[@goranwinblad]

Haha yeah at least you can claim you would have ran 4-6% faster with super shoes 😅 Thanks but have a lot of room for improvement myself when it comes to running on roads 😆

[@kodnamn]

when will the two of you collab? Göran coach this lazy fin to become a proper runner ;)

[@zeeksfreaks602]

I always blame the Course or Weather XD

[@claudiopiccoliromera2646]

One of those facts that don't fail to amaze me is the fact that Abebe Bikila set a record in Rome 1960 Olympics by running 2:15:16.2 barefoot, rather than wearing new shoes, which were causing him blisters. Four years later, wearing shoes probably way worse than those 1974 Nikes, he shaved 3 minutes off that time. I just keep wondering what he'd do if he had Alphaflys back then

[@keneticchannel]

And don't forget that part of the marathon course he ran barefoot was COBBLESTONE. Sheeeeesh, man. I think the Alphaflys would weird him out a little -- especially the raised heels. When you're used to running in zero drop, which pretty much all running shoes were at that time (I think?), it would probably throw off his perfectly dialed and efficient technique.

[@whycantiremainanonymous8091]

He wouldn't have set any record at all. They would be a poor fit for his running style.

[@Kaisersozze]

I think also some shoes are responsible for injuries and general damage to the body.

[@cd9954]

It would be nice if you started the tests with the old shoes. Being more tired going into them has to have a big impact as well.

[@genregarden]

I was going to say the same thing! I love seeing the comparison, but maybe test one per day or just switch the order and do it again?

[@AyshaVA]

Wouldn't it be better if he compared the shoes with another person as well?

[@GeorgeC-m3i]

I must admit I prefer the look of the older shoes! Simple, clean, understated.

[@goranwinblad]

Yeah it’s a nice retro look for sure!

[@Bruh4reel]

They look a lot like my track shoes in the 90s.

[@sundayrunday7586]

Will be great casual shoes after this video. 😄

[@him050]

When I tired a pair of Vapor Flies I found that they didn't make me run faster per se, they just made me fatigue slower. Thus I could hold a faster pace for longer

[@migueljimenez5165]

Hence overall faster time….

[@him050]

@@migueljimenez5165 without running at a faster speed.

[@ROVA00]

🤦

[@HenrikMyrhaug]

I wonder how the results would be for someone with more training in minimalist shoes? I would also want to see the HIIT test done when starting with the old shoes, so that we know the order doesn't affect the result.

[@teddytusen]

An even more interessting comparison would be a test between your normal running shoes and the Alphaflyes

[@goranwinblad]

Actually made a video like that for the original Alphafly: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4rIenyQjsygp8U

[@michael-qp9xd]

@@goranwinbladhi looked at the original video u reference per this comment. But not with all the tech and data from new coros system. Great if could do same here in current but with Alphafly 3 compared to asics edge Paris. Think many would like to know what to have for best next race as far as getting best time. Thanks so much if could do!

[@Maochan81]

I just bought my 1st supershoe (NB elite v4) and i could definitely feel the difference compared to my daily trainer (novablast 4, mach 6). 1st run i had a 10k PB and was not even trying to get a PB. I also held my form much better. In normal daily trainers once tired, i have to remind myself to hold the form. With the Elite V4 i was just rolling forward consistently. So not really a scientific test, but feeling wise I felt i'm cheating a bit :)

[@styx15]

​@Maochan81 How's the foam on the Elite V4 in terms of softness and responsiveness? Was looking choosing between that and a Endorphin Pro 4.

[@patchworks4102]

Phenomenal comparison, you really illustrated your running knowledge and expertise with these tests and breakdowns.

[@averelll]

Hello Göran. Just to let you know a detail, the Nike you are using were called Oregon and were cross-country shoes. We used them (yes, I am that old ! ) for training on track or in the field. If you wanted the road equivalent, you used the Nike Waffle Trainers.

[@isitrachelorj3953]

The Elite racers were a far superior shoe. I hated my waffle trainers, felt like running with bricks taped to my feet.

[@averelll]

@@isitrachelorj3953 I agree but back then they were "it", much better than Adidas SL76 or Gazelles .

[@eliaspfeffer]

I have tried such advanced marathon shoes and I was really addicted to this springiness of them.

[@runningfortherestofus7812]

Great video. Very convincing and unbiased comparison. It’s fun to see how much things have changed.

[@gunnarmh]

Great video. I ran the CPH Marathon last weekend and noticed how incredibly many were running in these Alphafly's, not only the fast runners but even runners in much slower pace group than I was. It must (almost) feels like cheating to be running in these and then talk to someone who ran a marathon 20+ years ago. But running a marathon is always an achievement, no matter the shoes. Anyway, great content as usual.

[@Heimarrr]

I also ran the CPH marathon, what a party that was! I hope you managed to finish before the downpour. I ran in New Balance Supercomp 4-s and it did feel like cheating indeed, although, most runners around me were using some kind of supershoes (3:26:07 finish time).

[@gunnarmh]

@@Heimarrr great job! I made it to the finish line before the downpour. This year I ran in Saucony Endorphin Pro 2, first time running a marathon in a carbon plated shoe and boy did I feel the difference. 03:44:52 (my goal was 03:45:00 😅)

[@RX120D]

I think many folks are wearing super shoes for the injury preventing cushioning. I have a pair of NB SuperComp Elite v.4s exclusively to keep my knees safe for long runs. Personally, I couldn't care less about speed; I just enjoy the miles. The SuperComps have made my recovery a solid 50% faster, I'd say. Runs that would previously leave me sore the next day are a cakewalk now. I'll forever be buying highly cushioned shoes because the anxiety of the possibility of injury is greatly reduced. As a result, my runs have been so much more enjoyable since getting them.

[@LYNXHQ]

The minimalist approach to ild shoes probably helps reduce injury in the long run. Your feet actually get to be worked

[@rubensonorio8805]

@goranwinblad thaks for sharing this testing 😊every time I tried more cushioned shoe I ended up with plantar fasciitis 😅so I always go back to minimalist shoes.

[@goranwinblad]

Ok interesting, yeah you gotta find what works for you 😊

[@io-rj6sk]

y do u think that is?

[@paulnorman8274]

@@io-rj6sk Less feedback from all that cushion "allowing" one to be less gentle with one's feet. Running barefoot on asphalt forces a low impact running style. The feedback loop is very immediate. Downsides are, for far and away most: It's slower, Longer ground contact, less "leg stiffness", compared to running in well fitting purpose built shoes. Whereas stomping away on 40mm of bouncy foam while using a carbon plate as a springboard, allows for higher ground contact forces, landing on stiffer legs etc., without being immediately corrected by pain. But those higher ground forces are ultimately still transmitted through the foot sole/fascia. Which is designed to absorb landing impacts by flattening out and elongating. Being tasked with doing that quicker and more forcefully, may need a somewhat lengthy adaption. In the meantime, it can get sore and painful.

[@io-rj6sk]

@@paulnorman8274 o true, i wonder what his choice of minimalist running shoe is

[@nielsv2025]

There has always been one thing I do not fully understand about plated supershoes. The carbon plate acts as some kind of spring. How can it be that there is only one type of shoe. I mean all plates are the same in that particular kind of shoe and so is the midsole material(s) and in the case of Nike's Alphafly the pods. In my mind there should be an optimum weight for the runner for the shoe to perform at its best. Like in a car. If you put the suspension of a mini under a tesla it won't perform at all right? And this apart from how and where you land in your running stride. And lastly, should there not be a difference between an 65kg runner with a smaller foot size compared to a 65kg runner with a larger foot size? Does a larger carbon plate act different?

[@AndersGustafsson87]

I wondered this aswell... Not only weight but general size of the person will determine their "natural occilation frequency" (cadence) and how the optimal plate should behave bounce wise, right?

[@bigk1ck]

I believe that these “super shoes” were developed to cater for running enthusiasts and pros with certain average running pace and race body weight in mind. There have been many videos/tests showing that if you’re a slower runner you will not see much benefit from using these plated shoes. I believe that would be the case also if you have a slower cadence or outside of certain body weight (too heavy/too light). But I think what matters more for consumers is how these shoes make them feel when running. If they feel like they run faster, easier, with less effort, then people will buy them, regardless if they actually make them faster or not.

[@Dailydivefix]

The way I understand it, it’s the foam that changes things and brings the benefits and bounce. But on its own the foam is too soft to run on, so the carbon plate or rods are added for stability. So the foam is the spring and the plate is the stabiliser. But yes, the weight of the runner will still undoubtedly change the dynamics.

[@MrSeedi76]

Heavy runner here (88 kg) - I can't run in shoes that are too soft as I sink in too much and the cushioning becomes pretty useless. I once tried the NB fresh foam X 840 and my feet never hurt worse after a 10k. I returned them the next day as they were also very bad quality and some plastic parts stuck out of the tongue. The shoes that worked for me so far were, Brooks Ghost Max (but the stack height is crazy on these), Adidas Ultraboost 22, Asics J33, Brooks Divide 4. Unfortunately I never found a Hoka so far that fit my feet. I seem to always be between sizes on those. Never tried a plated shoe however as I don't train to run fast. I just run to get the blood flowing and lose weight.

[@gregoryf9299]

My first set of Nike racing flats in 1988 were like those 1974 shoes. Tech really didn’t change rapidly for awhile!

[@sodaresoda]

Great content! Great editing!! Love this 🔥

[@goranwinblad]

Thanks glad to hear 😁

[@lucaswhite-wd8ro]

One thing I noticed is that your kick is higher with the old shoes which prolly means that you’re putting more forces into the ground with the alpha fly’s which makes sense bc there is a carbon plate

[@gerard14]

I am also using the Coros heart rate monitor, but it is more comfortable if you put it on the broadest part off the forearm. It also stays perfectly stable there.

[@keneticchannel]

No issues with cadence lock down that low? (I have that HR monitor, too.)

[@gerard14]

@@keneticchannel No, it will stay on the forearm and not moving up or down.

[@EcBuddy123]

I was watching something a while ago that you sorta talk about. Running technique. I have the Nike free run Flyknit 2018s I think, and I was running in those about a full year now, until I got NB rebel 4s. I thought the new shoes where much better as I was having much better recoveries and no shin splints. But I did notice my running form was different. I missed the Nikes due to minimalism. I ran the most I had ever run in either shoe and I ran quickly and at a fast pace. I'm still learning but I think I am buying this whole train your feet and legs to run vs. just getting a better shoe. Because the shoe can hide inefficiency in your running and bad habits I feel like. Granted don't kill your legs!

[@ccorus5724]

Hey! I hope you'll do a video that talks about plantar fasciitis. This is really a struggle for people likes running but hindered due to this condition.

[@Haitham___ww]

Thanks for the comparison it was very insightful. I just wanted to point out that the alphaflty 3 has an MSRP of $285 in the US.... not 350 dollars...

[@goranwinblad]

I live in Norway here it costs 350USD 👍

[@feezee82]

I did my last marathon in Alphafly 2. Never had such bad blisters in on feet. The arches on both legs were completely bloody. Lost 3 toenails, including the nail on the big toe. Was a very painful marathon and a painful recovery. Probably won’t run another marathon in them. Never had issues with my Vaporfly 2s. Not sure if Alphafly 3 are any better for my feet.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

I ran 2:38 in 1980 in those old style shoes. Maybe now at age 67 I can finally claim to have been sub 2:30 😂

[@goranwinblad]

That’s impressive haha yeah modern shoes would for sure have helped you a bit!

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@goranwinblad They already do! 4-5% for me depending on pace, etc.. Which is a lot of seconds when you are as slow as I am now😏 The amazing thing is how effective they are against injury. That is where they would have saved me a lot of heartbreak 💔

[@isitrachelorj3953]

That what I commented about my mile-time.

[@CasaBenny]

Nice video! Off topic but can you link those vertical light bars next to the treadmill? They look so cool

[@SanderBessels]

In training, you can choose more minimalistic shoes if you want to increase the intensity, for instance when running with a friend that is a little less fit. Training on minimalistic shoes or even barefoot is really good for your running form: higher cadence, more forefoot strike and in my experience also a slightly shorter ground contact time (this contradicts the finding in this video). Good shoes do compensate bad technique very well, so I guess the less experienced you are, the more you will benefit from super shoes. But you also benefit more from working on a better running form… It’s also fun to run with barefoot, but that’s personal :).

[@stefanbruhn8536]

I really like the Pace 3. I preordered and bought it as soon as it released, but i still use my Polar chest heart rate strap with it, because it felt more reliable. I appreciate a lot how they support this cross "eco-system" functionality.

[@joegraves2518]

I enjoyed this content… an interesting analysis would be 3 of the same shoe model tested in a similar way, but with 0km, 200km and 400km on them.

[@Evi-om7kz]

Maybe the alphaflies are more similar to your actual shoes ? That could explain partly the difference in my opinion. The video was great ! Thank you !

[@justjustjoo]

One question I've been thinking about for a while now with these new plated supershoes. Does running with them give the same morphological adaptations long term to the feet & soleus? In theory, training with shoes that work less for you, your body should adapt more.

[@stefanl.5600]

Great video as always! What if you changed the order of shoes (1st old, 2nd new)? That's what I would criticize about the test.

[@andrewross2255]

Good video, but what jacket are you wearing?

[@stefanoviviani6064]

Great and very interesting video, thank you Goran! What I'm taking is that maybe getting used to old/minimalistic shoes (through running and strenght&conditioning) would be ideal because your feet and joints will get stronger (in training what counts is intensity not speed: that is a consequence, although it looks good on Strava); then, switch to modern and faster shoes for races and reap the benefits :)

[@goranwinblad]

Thanks! Yeah that is probably a good approach for many people!

[@clementerosauro9127]

great video! thaNK YOU

[@nickvwn]

Honestly they look a bit like a barefoot trail shoe. 😄 Amazing collectors item though!

[@timwildauer5063]

I'm curious what the comparison would look like for a low cost but still modern running shoe compared with the vaporfly. Also, for the heartrate test at the end, I think a proper test would be to do that again but switch the order. HR does go up over the course of a run, so switching the order would confirm that it's actually the shoe that gives a lower HR. Also, is it possible stress had something to do with it? If you don't like the feel of the old shoes, that could increase your HR just because it's different and you're not used to it.

[@paulnorman8274]

"I'm curious what the comparison would look like for a low cost but still modern running shoe compared with the vaporfly. " The problem is you can have: 1)Lots of cushioning, 2)Light weight and 2)A decent price. But only two at a time..... Some extra weight is probably not a huge deal for longer-distance (10K+) for us slower folk. (Heck, being primarily a trail runner not concerned about shaving a few minutes off asphalt race times from weird shoes alone, I'd pick Kayanos for a Marathon over wobbly Alphaflys...) But Goran ran 3:40 here, at which point weight differences at the end of those long legs starts being significant. To where it would be hard to attribute any gains to, say, anything other than just weight. The way he did the test, probably largely held weight between the pairs close to constant. Such that any differences would be from shape/construction/"technology"/rebound alone, not just weight reduction.

[@kan5300]

TY, Goran!

[@goranwinblad]

Thanks for watching!

[@mrsaprilmendez]

I was gifted a pair and I did a couple of runs in them. They definitely altered my form and I was faster but my shins hurt badly for days afterwards. 😢

[@goranwinblad]

Ok interesting thanks for sharing your experience!

[@414peps]

Yea different shoes will strain different parts of your body.

[@petekadenz9465]

Probably due to the higher heel drop of those new shoes.

[@petekadenz9465]

A far better comparison would be you your normal shoes rather than shoes that are a half a century old (and in my view were inferior to the leading Adidas road shoe back then).

[@goranwinblad]

@@petekadenz9465 Yeah allready did that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4rIenyQjsygp8U&ab_channel=G%C3%B6ranWinblad

[@Jason_Ozran]

The key part here is the fact that one needs to transition slowly to more minimalistic shoes (and vice versa). The science (ask The Running Clinic) shows that once someone is used to a certain type of shoes, the difference is very minimal

[@BareFinn1986]

Have you seen the lab test they did with Alphafly and other shoes? Can't remeber if its no 1 or 2 Alphafly, but it had a 3% less effort needed against a non carbon plate shoe.

[@goranwinblad]

Yeah have been done some different once with the original alphafly and other shoes the numbers I have seen are between 4-6% when compared to traditional running shoes.

[@BareFinn1986]

@@goranwinblad Makes me wanna buy a pair for segment hunting and race days. But they are so expensive. Love your content BTW. 😎👍

[@klipk7296]

I wish we could have waffle-like prices back :(

[@goranwinblad]

Haha me too!

[@leeduli]

I wonder if shoe tech has an effect on injury prevalence.

[@goranwinblad]

It seems like it as least is a bit less foot and knee injuries but among elite athletes they have seen more hip injuries since the super shoes came 🤔

[@onion3974]

Alphafly3 absolutely cause hip injury! i have no issue running in streakfly and vaporfly, but alphafly 3 cause extreme hip pain for me.

[@Lennybird91]

Quite the opposite. Since the advent of running shoes in the last century, injuries have only worsened. Nothing beats our built-in shock absorption chain. Harvard and UNJ proved it.

[@keneticchannel]

I could see the shoes decreasing it among elites that already have good technique, but increasing it amongst newer runners. The lack of proprioception from immensely cushioned shoes can wreak havoc on a newer runner's ability to properly dial in efficient technique, resulting in injuries ranging from runner's knee, IT band syndrome to plantar fasciitis and beyond. Super shoes should come after the form work is there. No dessert without your protein! 😆

[@noosphericaltarzan]

I don't understand why trainers are not marketed also based on fatigue rather than speed. 80+ percent of my running is slower than 5:00 min/km, and really my concerns are more about time in zone 2 and minimizing RSS.

[@mihaelam8339]

You should test the super shoes against your normal pair of running shoes. I suspect that the differences in performance might be even smaller, but maybe not? I'm curious.

[@fuglsnef]

Göran, you said that you think you'd probably get injured running in minmal shoes, two questions on that: 1) How much of that might be, as you mentioned, simply not being used to that style of shoe? 2) What is the current scientific consensus on the injury prevention benefits of extremely cusioned shoes versus minimal shoes?

[@bennipollner5240]

Highly cushioned shoes doesnt prevent ans injuries. Its just a matter of getting used to lesser cushioned ones in the past. PS I Love my Escalantes😊

[@jonnenne]

​@@bennipollner5240based on what?

[@paulnorman8274]

@@bennipollner5240 "Highly cushioned shoes doesnt prevent ans injuries." Are you sure? For specialised road racers? Holding pace and mileage constant? That sounds very surprising, given what I am hearing.

[@SuperPrefan]

So, basically runners of the 70s and 80s are tougher runners than today’s runners. Runners today are softer with all this technology… Not saying it’s a bad thing… a 2:20 marathoner can become a 2:18 marathoner with super shoes where as a 2:18 marathoner in the 70s could be a 2:16 marathoner today do to shoes.

[@keneticchannel]

Not really tougher, but way more efficient. Much less over-striding and more functional utilization their biomechanical elasticity that runners try to replace today with carbon fiber and foam.

[@mrcrackerist]

I am not a professional runner, but I do run in 4mm shoes no padding and to me it looks like you are over-striding and this would be bad in the older NIKE.

[@keneticchannel]

Especially on the treadmill. Heel striking in those has to be quite painful and inefficient, which would explain the higher heart rate.

[@AndersGustafsson87]

Whats the weight difference?

[@MrYamazaky]

Great analysis!

[@Bertziethegreat]

Is that an NPE Runn sensor I spot on your treadmill?

[@goranwinblad]

Yes!

[@Bertziethegreat]

@@goranwinblad Love it. 10/10 stars!

[@emmezero]

Possiamo quantificare in circa 2' il guadagno per atleti d'elite in maratona ?

[@Danny22Hernandez]

Where did you buy that original running shoe? @goranwinblad

[@Summersault666]

How did you measure your skills?

[@natesilvers2166]

The only thing that makes the new shoes fast is because they're lightweight. 1970s shoes were heavy made with leather uppers. Nike Streakfly 7 was Nikes last non super shoe for marathon and it's heavier than the supershoes, whilst also being softer leaking energy. Those elite runners could run a 2:01 in barefoot shoes if the weight is light.

[@isitrachelorj3953]

Nate, I've raced, and currently run, in everything from 1976 waffle trainers to 2024 Alpha-Flys and Vapor-Flys. (63 years old, never under the knife, competitive cyclist now). These super-shoes are much more than "light". The carbon plate is a PED (DEVISE). also, the 40/50mm stack transfers a lot of stress away my old tender calves/shins (compartmental syndrome) and into the hips/quads/hammies, a strong point of my body. I don't run mega-miles so this hasn't created a "different" problem and the relief is not from light-weight, it's a mechanical shift.

[@perk3391]

Super interesting. What's your approximate current Vo2Max, Göran?

[@goranwinblad]

Glad to hear! I don’t now but the last time I tested in a lab was 7 years ago and it was 72, so hoping it’s still close to 70 😅

[@Dreghain]

Why everyone running with coros pace now? :D better than garmin forerunner?

[@paulnorman8274]

Not as a running watch. But the slimmer body, and especially the lack of buttons on the side being stuck under the shirt, or stiff motoleather, sleeve; makes it more suitable for everyday wear.

[@albmena46]

$350?? Where you buying them

[@Leeroy49]

Well edited 😮

[@goranwinblad]

Thanks 😊

[@shmu_el]

Once I had to run 3k in a pair of old school Vans's and realised how amazing ordinary running shoes like Novalblasts are...

[@io-rj6sk]

whyd u 'have' to do a 3k in vans?

[@shmu_el]

@@io-rj6sk I was late for a date and my car was a bit disassembled 😅

[@imjmones]

All the comparisons of data between the two lie in the 1-3% difference. I am wondering, is that significative? Isn't that too low to draw any conclusion at all? Or does this lie into the error margin of the watch or into the variance of different measurements you can get while performing the exact same test?

[@valleyshrew]

I like running on the beach but I wonder if it's wearing my shoes out a lot faster? It's almost impossible to google anything very specific these days!

[@tompescod2810]

As someone that started running back in the 80s as a kid (mostly track and field), the biggest changes were not only the shoe tech. It was a complete paradigm shift in terms of biomechanics, stride technic and cadence. I remember back then, for mid and longer distances, the cadence was high, shorter strides and the posture was slightly forward to land on the ball of the foot. The focus was on running technique, breathing from the nose while keeping a steady relaxed rhythm and pacing accordingly. One was even encouraged to keep a proper weight/height ratio depending of the type of racing you were training for. Now people is obsessed with their apps input, work very little on technique, breathing or proper pacing. Most of the people I've trained with (that run ultras) have several chronic injuries, bad form, even worst diets, are heavy mouth breathers and even get offended by any mention of weight/height ratios. Running now is mostly a gear selling cash grab, not that much about health or athleticism.

[@MrSeedi76]

Everybody should work on technique. I do it basically on every single run or my knees start hurting if I don't run with proper form. It took me a while to transition to forefoot running and getting my cadence up but it did wonders for my knees.

[@io-rj6sk]

@@MrSeedi76 if ur cadence is high does that mean short strides?

[@larsbarefoot]

👍

[@Seanpikelocke1]

This is an interesting video! I feel a bit uneasy about the massive increases in shoe technology (and price tags) and worry that we may get to the place where it's only possible to be competitive (particularly at an amateur level) while wearing expensive super shoes. Id be interested in your opinion: do you think there is a point where shoe technology advances even further and distorts running into something else entirely?

[@io-rj6sk]

would love to hear ur fav shoes for each type of run :D

[@simonbuxton5419]

Why not use a chest strap? I do find my watch is very good, until it isn't --- due to fit I think, it drops by a third at times - not often though, maybe 1 in 100 times . So I bought a Garmin chest strap and doesn't suffer from this. What I did notice is that the graphs also look different. Even if the readings are very close to each other, the chest strap is less spiky. So maybe the arm band is like the watch method, without poor fit issues a watch can have.

[@James-zu1ij]

Do you think the AlphaFlys resemble your old shoes more closely and therefore your neuro muscular pathway is better adapted. What im trying to say is, are there many other variables un accounted for

[@TTZ316]

I love that Soar jacket

[@goranwinblad]

Me too 😁

[@SpiritTheGhoul.]

To be fair they used the older shoes on slightly softer dirt, so that would explain why they didn’t get as injured as you would expect

[@ThanhNguyen-dj1bl]

I wish they would create a new set of running world records for the new carbon plated super shoes and preserve the old world records that were achieved with the old style (non plated) shoes. This would be fair for those athletes that did not have access to the new super shoes.

[@htnrumpkicker7868]

for your video sponsors, are you the one reaching out or are the companys reaching out to you?

[@goranwinblad]

Most of the time it’s companies reaching out but I say no to most. Only want to work with companies that makes products or services that I actually use myself and can stand behind.

[@kduty236]

Wow i thought u gonna use pegasus 1st iteration 😂

[@goranwinblad]

Yeah found an even older Nike running shoe 😅

[@Kaisersozze]

As someone that's not a professional runner I care more about which one is less damaging to my body. Shoes are improving so much, will they essentially be doing the running for us in 100 years?

[@keneticchannel]

Yes, super shoes will give folks with amazing technique a competitive advantage over their peers with similarly great form. But too many folks feel like they can skip technique development and pay for faster times in the form of shoes, only to wind up with runner's knee and plantar fasciitis because their super shoes muffle the proprioception required to help them develop efficient technique. Most would be better served by saving their money and doing more barefoot running in the park to dial in their technique.

[@chinpoeykhoo6261]

I must be going the wrong direction by getting a Kinvara 13 instead of SuperShoes😅

[@RX120D]

I just upgraded from Kinvara 13s to a super shoe. The Kinvaras are amazing. I really enjoyed them. I put over 1,000km on mine before replacing them. The main difference between the two is mostly the cushioning. I was having some soreness after any runs over 10k with the Kinvaras as I run a bit slow (typically around 6min/km with a light heel strike). Now with a pair of NB SC Elite V.4s the equivalent amount of knee strain comes on closer to 20km. You're well equipped with the Kinvaras, I think. Definitely a great shoe!

[@chinpoeykhoo6261]

@@RX120D Thanks for the experience shared, my pace and footstrike is almost same as yours and I typically use it for anything 10K ➕ ➖, I like the low stack height and the ground feel and whenever I need more speed will rotate with my speed 3. Glad to know the durability is above average 😀

[@isitrachelorj3953]

Had a pair of Elite waffle racers in 1977, slightly better version than what you have, much better colorway also. Thanks for retroactively knocking my mile-time down to 4:14, you did say 10 seconds, correct? There are way to many 4:20ish guys out there.

[@SahibjotSinghDhindsa]

Buddy, my height is 5'7 and i want to run a 6 minute mile. How difficult will it be and how much time will it took. Love your content❤

[@goranwinblad]

It depends on a lot of factors mainly your current fitness and training. But a sub 6min mile most ok fit individuals can get to in a couple of months od dedicated and smart training. Good luck with your training!

[@SahibjotSinghDhindsa]

@@goranwinblad thanks bro 🙂.

[@Lennybird91]

Kipchoge is 5'6" and runs far faster and longer than that so you got this!

[@SahibjotSinghDhindsa]

@@Lennybird91 💯💯🛐🛐 I'll try my best. And when I will achieve it, I will inform you brother ⛳.

[@TruTube.1.]

There were the best back in 1974 and people actually Won Events in those shoes. Today, well .. we're a bit too spoiled with all this tech.. and have truly become dependent on them.

[@meta1storm]

Now wear them both on different feet and see whether one is left behind or the other runs ahead.

[@whycantiremainanonymous8091]

You do both tests on the alphaflies first. That's a rigged test. Fatigue is the main factor determining the results.

[@goranwinblad]

As I talk about in the video I switch shoes between each interval and the data shows that every time I switch to the alphaflies the heart rate significantly drops as I talk about in the video. For the running form test it's just 5min of running at a pretty comfortable pace with long rest before the second test so I'm sure that fatigue didn't affect my running stride for the second test. It's not a rigged test I clearly present what I do and what the results were, then you can do what you want with the information.

[@whycantiremainanonymous8091]

@@goranwinblad Well, then, run the same test again, but this time always wear the old shoes first. Compare the results.

[@danjohnson9821]

I wish I had a Time Machine and could do this same comparison between running with my legs in 1974 and my legs today. They've lost just a bit of their springiness.

[@Kallekula274]

A more interesting comparison would be to run in barefoot shoes for a year to see if you could improve more when all your body ans movements fall into a different pattern. But ofc i understand that its a big investment ans one should lean slowly into barefoot running if at all.

[@jimgegegegegegegege2306]

coros pace! naysu!

[@goranwinblad]

Yeah great watch!

[@simonbuxton5419]

You like Corus? 😀 It is good you have a relevant sponsor, maybe you don't need to name drop so much 🤣. The best ads are those that don't feel like an ad. Maybe a good test will be if you have a group of athletes that are used to minimalistic shoes to then try the alphas? Even so, the difference doesn't look that high, would be be logical then to presume there would be far less difference between any of the top running shoes? Perhaps a comparison between the faster non carbon (e.g. Speed 4s etc) and the top carbon plated shoes might be nice to see

[@vicentepastorfrances9543]

A ver claro que funcionan bien, yo corro desde hará más de 12 años. La diferencia con las voladoras es q antes eran de papel de fumar y estabas dos días que te dolía todo y con las nuevas al día siguiente estas muscularmente de lujo

[@evanjohn503]

with 21st Century trainers the main difference between now and then is the shock absorption. Nearly all todays runners want to run on the pavement or road - which I just don't get. Even when I run around the park or countryside its rare that someone actually uses the bloody grass. How long have we had pavements & roads? 250 - 300 yrs? And our bones are ready to accept this? I don't think so.

[@goranwinblad]

Yeah good input!

[@petekadenz9465]

The new shoes appear to have a much bigger heel drop, which is a bad thing.

[@uncertainscientist]

Ok but now for a fair test use one shoe on each foot :D

[@johncycling6299]

Nope. I need to feel the ground; all that foam would encourage me to hit the ground much harder to try to get some feedback. Minimal stack, zero drop for the win.

[@larsbarefoot]

I think it is how you are used to running that is a reason for what works best for you. but in the long term I think carbon shoes can cause more damage

[@gowanlock]

You're confusing propel with repel! Great vid though

[@goranwinblad]

Thanks 😅

[@Shipwreckruns]

The biggest difference I’ve noticed is in recovery time.

[@goranwinblad]

Yeah that’s true!

[@mikehenry7878]

Interesting comment. That's a huge consideration!

[@JohnBrown-be6re]

Really interesting test, many thanks. I was wondering if that modern version of the Waffle Racer used the same foam as in the original version?...some of the reissue shoes seemed to be harder than I remember. I remember a Nike shoe from around 1980 (Terra TC) using a Phylon midsole which I still think was one of the best running shoes I have had...

[@InsideMen-n5q]

Hey Goran, really interesting video as always. However, super shoes are perhaps creating a generation of "weaker" runners. Studies are showing more and more that injuries are in fact increasing when using these shoes a lot. Weaker tendons and lower bone density are more profound....there is a lot to learn from our ancestors who ran for days barefoot. Zola Budd the great distance athlete held British record for 38 years whilst running barefoot. $310 difference in price between your two examples. No thanks.

[@pele7208]

What if Bikila wore these shoes instead of winning the Olympic marathon barefoot...

[@keneticchannel]

His feet probably wouldn't even fit in them. 😆

[@michaelbrowning2195]

Based on these results, will you now exclusively run in highly cushioned carbon plated shoes?

[@PoetWithPace]

Oh no Goran! You’ve become a running shoe reviewer?!? 😞

[@Mattrunning]

Soar partnership?

[@arturonieto239]

How could people run with those waffles?

[@joseoctaviomorenorodriguez9541]

With passion and Zero complains

[@Lennybird91]

Barefoot/minimalist running for life. I'll never go back.

[@johnfadds6089]

These shoe guys are speed maniacs.

[@joejoejoe4577]

It’s my understanding that the greater the cushioning, the higher the risk of injury. Time will tell.