1982 The BLACK FLAG INCIDENT Sandown

[@grahamserle7930]

I was there as a flag marshal and it was a total "F---Up" by incompetent officials like I've never seen before or since. Allan was a very intense and polarising individual but no one can deny his persistence to be the best that he could be as a race car driver. I wouldn't say that he was the most naturally gifted race car driver but the contribution he made to Australian motor sport in that era was very significant and to be admired.

[@Super100MPH]

Cheers Graham.

[@wogga8]

Very well said mate. I couldn't agree more.

[@holdenmad111]

No Allan was not a gifted driver at all, he had to work hard and work hard he did! I was never a fan of Allan but man he worked hard and rarely gave up.

[@grahamserle7930]

@@holdenmad111 I think that's what I said so I take it that you agree.

[@holdenmad111]

@@grahamserle7930 After re reading yes, i mistakenly thought you said he was a naturally gifted driver. my apologies.

[@markknight4572]

Moffat's post race speech was a classic!

[@Detroit8V92tta]

Moffat won the highest hat competition! 👍

[@Chives5150]

God, that RX-7 is beautiful.

[@chrisandwillhobbies]

fuggg

[@gjmob]

I bought an RX3 Coupe new in 1975, and always wanted to trade up to a Series 1 RX7 when they came out. Now the RX3 would be worth at least 10 times as much as an RX7.

[@gjmob]

@Evil Doctor PorkChop My mate had a worked XB GS 302 and we were always racing each other.

[@GaryLaaks1]

its 2019 now and it is still a head turner. My son wants the FD RX7.

[@davidburne9477]

Moffatt’s cars routinely got away with the most ridiculous noise - the RX-7 made my ears ring, and the Cologne Capri was even worse. If it had been a c-grader making that much noise he’d have been black flagged for that, too.

[@darrylkelly7958]

Evan Green... I like the guy so much. I've read his books about the redex trials in the 50's riding with Jack Murray etc and loved them. But, this guy is the reason why the GTHO Phase 4, the proper 360 Charger and the 308 XU1 were killed off. A no news day ruined Aussie muscle cars for damn near 20 years. But it also made a GTHO Phase 3 worth a million dollars in 2018 too. RIP Evan.

[@raceace]

Wow, I was a young bloke when this happened, but seeing it now, what a disgrace, receiving a non-existent formal penalty without any formal evidence. Cams won the kangaroo court award there for sure.

[@mikeobrien9829]

The lengths Australian motor sport have gone too in order to defend Ford and Holden is unbelievable, it started with the RX 7 and then later because Godzilla didn't have a Holden or Ford badge on it they changed the whole formula. Australian motor sport officials should be ashamed of themselves. It was OK that a FORD Sierra which was never sold in Australia rang rings around other cars BUT put a Nissan badge on a car and its not allowed compete or Sookie Dickie Johnson would have another tantrum. Shame, Shame, Shame!!!!!

[@mikeobrien9829]

@Brad Williams your obviously delirious, CAMS thought it was OK when the Sierra was racing and thrashing everything, but when Nissan did the same thing, firstly they made them put lead in the floor to slow them down and then changed the whole formula so the Nissans couldn't do what the Sierras had been doing for the previous 4 years. If that isn't OBVIOUS FORD BIAS THEN WHAT IS???

[@mikeobrien9829]

@ZebsFrend Many of the Korean manufacturers are owned by the European or American car companies just like the Australian companies.

[@donaldd1612]

Oh absolute bs

[@alanjm1234]

They could let the Sierras win, then disqualify them later. Or count the race back a lap so a Nissan won. There's really only one brand that has never suffered from shonky penalties and spur of the moment rule changes.....

[@andrew_koala2974]

@ZebsFrend If your Idea was accepted then Ausie cars having US or European components would be illegible to enter any race unless driven by European, US or Canadian Nationals. Your thinking is ludicrous. Besides that it would be a breach of International Convention. Go and study the laws of the UN and the European Court of Human Rights. It becomes apparent that you are lacking in even the most basic education. There are Golden Retrievers that academically outclass you and are very sharp thinkers,

[@jcullen8009]

Gricey jumps out of car and lights a cig. Classic!

[@Detroit8V92tta]

I wonder if Gricey lit up a Peter Stuyvesent?

[@fugawiaus]

I thought he did. Classic aussie

[@josephbrady711]

Made me wanna lite up lol

[@Jellybeantiger]

Moffat ,legend.

[@Zonda1996]

Australian Motorsport officials have a history of trying to push foreign makes out of the picture.

[@markmark5269]

You are wrong, CAMS have a long history of trying to fuck up and being out of touch with competitors, the fans, and Australian motor sport period, regardless of manufacturer.

[@Zonda1996]

That works too.

[@AlonsoRules]

Remember when everyone said that the COTF and Gen2 would bring the manufacturers in? Well Volvo and Mercedes have gone and Nissan is pretty much gone. Also 2/3 of the grid is Commodores.

[@iankinnell5643]

And they way they've started has been horrible so maybe their gunna need a new make or two to compete

[@davidburne9477]

@@AlonsoRules And now it’s 2/3 Mustangs, so there goes your argument, empty as it was to begin with

[@gjmob]

Can't believe how many privateers were running series 2 RX3's.

[@markmark5269]

Moffat of course won later, because CAMS didn't have a leg to stand on. The rule at the time stated only that competitors must proceed through the pits with care and caution, there was nothing in the rules that related to actual speed. Moffat declared that he drove with suitable care and caution, and that was that. Not surprisingly soon after, first speed bumps came and when Moffat jumped them in true off road style, pit speed limits were bought into play. For internationals reading this, CAMS is still fucking up Australian motor racing to this very day, they have a long history of ridiculous, out of touch rulings. One time they even made all touring cars, 1984 from memory, have ALL the eletrical equipment that came standard working in the cars, including electric windows, cruise controls and even the stereos, in full working order, no shit.

[@darrylkelly7958]

Yep... Back in the 80's the dashboard was sacrosanct and could not be violated, therefore no roll bars could pass through them... Unlike a proper racing car. CAMS were and always have been a bunch of fuddy duddies with not very much of a fucking clue of where their suppositories are not the least what the god damn rules are...

[@markmark5269]

Yup, remember the Larry bar that passed through the dash and the outcry, and that it saved at least 2 very serious incidents through stopping wheels coming completly through the windscreen not long after, Crompton was one of them at Bathurst. The Larry bar (Larry Perkins) took the full impact of those wheels.

[@darrylkelly7958]

Mark Mark yeah but back in the 80s in group c you could not pass anything through the dash. The larry bar went from the roll hoop to the passenger side bend of the front bar by the dash. Lowndes profited from the larry bar in 2005 I think it was when that wheel came off the Steve Richsrds Commodore after repco on the way to the cutting

[@davidewhite69]

CAMS once enforced the commodores have the air conditioning system "fitted" to the cars because the 500 special road cars that were the basis for its homologation had A/C. The HDT responded by homologating a "Police Special". From memory one of the teams had the A/C compressor tied to the roll cage

[@AlonsoRules]

In 2018, CAMS have still been doing stupid things. Who in their mind thought that Super Utes would be good? They are also still pursuing the 10 car Formula 4 grid as being the top category.

[@MadDuckofAus]

I wanted one of those Dunlop caps soooooo bad when i was a kid

[@geoffreyblack5982]

Looks like nothing has changed. And 888 wasn't even there and neither was Roland Dane.

[@jacobgarnham5971]

I do miss the old style of sport reporting, get a man with a mic, a dude with a camera, and turn them lose to get what they can.

[@sparkymedic]

Yup, everything is scripted now and no one wants to be publicly castrated by the moron SJW's who don't even know what motorsports are.

[@100holistic]

60, 850 spectators!

[@BlairSauer]

Had no idea about this incident. Sounds like there was a stuff up in the ruling. Alan Moffat probably did go a little fast in pit lane hence why there's a particular rule about it. I don't really know the ins and outs of group c regulations and in particular driver code of conduct of that period but it sounds like some rules were contentious in how they were interpreted by some officials on the day. I wonder what ever became of that incident. Did Alan Moffat lodge an appeal or take legal action over that particular incident in the days and weeks after sandown in 1982? I'm sure someone knows what happened afterwards in regards to any possible appeals or legal action taken in dispute of the ruling. Interested in knowing more about that.

[@Rob-vv5yn]

There was no speed limit rule at that time they were just making up rules on the spot that didn’t exist in the rule book the result was protested and he won.

[@michaelhalsall5684]

I remember the old Pit Lane at Sandown when it was located between Turn 1 & Turn 3. I remember Moffat's Mazda RX-7, there were 2 of them at one stage, one LHD and the other RHD to suit different circuits. I remember this event and many subsequent races at Sandown, my favourite circuit.

[@red131abarth]

Interesting the CAMS-bashers out there. The incident was triggered by a poor decision by a Clerk-of-Course from the Light Car Club who didn't know the rules in detail. It was the CAMS rule book and tribunal process that overturned the result. To be fair the pitlane was narrow and Moffat used to fly through pit lanes everywhere, as there was no rule against it. I think the fact that he hit one of Grice's crew and broke his leg was what forced the Clerk-of-Course to do something about Moffat's pit lane speed. But this time it wasn't CAMS' fault.

[@davidfrisken1617]

"McCarthy suffered a bruised ankle." After walking into the path of Moffats car.

[@Roland_Rohrle]

@@davidfrisken1617 A bruised ankle equals a broken leg in print or TV 😂

[@jimrockford3662]

Typical of the biased cams officials over many years. Some say corrupt. GMH and Brock and others received undue “support”.

[@dazaspc]

A great video. It's a shame as Good Luck was never a strong point for Allan Moffat.

[@vince065us]

Allan wasn't speeding in the pit lane.Mind you,this was in the days BEFORE pit lane speed limits.Allan should've been an MP.

[@aisrael13]

That Rx7 was a jet on the day!

[@davidanstis8272]

The officials were unbelievably poor in the way the whole situation was dealt with...Allan Moffat summed it up well in regards to him driving something other than a Holden...hahaha

[@barneymiller7894]

Hes right.

[@gjmob]

It was well known that Holden always paid off Wheels Magazine to make the Commodore " Car Of The Year" most of the time.

[@kelvinh8327]

@@gjmob - too bloody right!

[@ecohitman111]

Good O'l Holden, F'ed the car racing, F'ed the car industry and F'ed them selves, well done.

[@luccianodeive6605]

RX7 The best car.

[@captainkaos754]

Ah no

[@rodneyvanderveen8376]

CAMS has been taking sport out of motorsport for decades! All for the benefit of Holden! It's sickening for those of us that like real competition! All the Holden partisans in CAMS should be exiled for ever!

[@kelvinh8327]

Well Holden is now gone forever.

[@rodneyvanderveen8376]

@@kelvinh8327 Looks like they got what they deserved!

[@IMCAPITALAK]

Moffat for the WIN 🏆

[@jeremyhooper3004]

A very true comment by Allen Moffat at the end, to accept an import vehicle with a 1300cc motor to have beaten a locally made V8 race car would most certainly have been an early demise to the local car industry here in Australia. It's now 2019 and there is now no car industry at all here anymore, a Holden is now made overseas and they all look, sound, and drive like a shitbox. At least when they were made here we all knew how to work on the locally made Holdens, these days you need to be a " technician" with a frickn computer to do find a faulty in these crap throw away cars. Long live local jobs and local industries!

[@josephbrady711]

I think you'll find it was a 12a pp at the time not yet the 13b.

[@blueovaldudedude2712]

@@josephbrady711 that is correct Joe it was another 12 months till the 13B and indeed also with fuel injection when it did come in,I was there both times and even though I was a F ord supporter,was still a Moffat supporter and also loved the RX7 I was one of the minority in the grandstand who was happy with his effort both times.

[@kelvinh8327]

And demise they did.

[@klano8443]

Wow just came across this , Mazda are still around and Holden are not.

[@RETMTM]

What an embarrassment CAMS attempt to dethrone Moffat in his RX-7 The Rotary Engine will always be the David that crushed Goliath in the motoring world. Hater's gonna hate but without hater's, the victory isn't quite as sweet 😎 {∆}

[@NxDoyle]

This is yet another example of how arbitrary and bush league Australian motorsport could be.

[@markpritchard3099]

got to love Gricey lighting up a bunga when he gets out of the car

[@SS-yw7vo]

Next time pulled over for speeding I'll try the "it's subjective" argument

[@rkmckenna]

what was the rules in 1982 around wearing your cap like a toss?

[@Davidamadio]

Alan Moffat was correct back then, and the same has continued ever since. I’ve watched for many years. The story we want other Manufacturers in the category, as long as Holden wins the most. Now it’s GM. Moffat was the best

[@TheOMGWTFBBQ777]

dick johnson is always so well collected and calm as usual

[@daleskidmore1685]

I've watched quite a few vids from Australian races and found the clerks of the course decisions to be questionable on a number of occasions; almost like they don't understand the rules. Also the marshals are responsible for flag signals. Startline crew get directions from the clerks who react to reports from the marshal's post observers.

[@fangie0210]

Nearly as ridiculous of putting Roland Dane in charge of parity for the class, a Holden Team owner doing the enforcement of parity - and look what happens - The Mustang starts winning and the parity line by Dane keeps changing until the Holdens start winning again - what a friggen joke@!!

[@aldee7533]

Jeebus fuck! I didn't know USAC ran races in Australia.

[@LurcherVonPapsmear]

So what was the outcome? Did the placings awarded, stand?

[@paulbudgen]

The 1982 race was the first Sandown endurance race since 1965 to be won by a make other than a Ford or Holden, Moffat scoring the first of two consecutive wins in a Mazda RX-7. His 1982 victory came after he was disqualified, then re-instated after a pit lane infringement penalty was removed post-race - Wikipedia

[@LurcherVonPapsmear]

Paul Budgen Thanks - I should have checked Wiki first!

[@matiasfpm]

Wow....

[@111urmoma]

Wow they all look like old men!

[@DamfinoMR2]

From a time when a bottle of whiskey was consumed as pre-surgery anesthesia and smoking cigarettes could help you become a better cowboy!

[@golfy808]

Allan was 43

[@corriejacobs5876]

People will do anything to boycott the Rotories

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

Gotta love Gricey having a celebratory durry lol

[@jadesmith6823]

Ahh what great times. Gricey hops out of the car and sparks up a durrie 🇦🇺😂

[@mgbv8man2]

typical Australian officials ban the foreign car

[@SVPSkins]

This was held a month before i was born. =)

[@andrew_koala2974]

Were you Born or were you Birthed (Berthed) ? Which certificate do you have. I would strongly suspect your mother was deceived into selling you to the Government where you became an indentured slave. You were stripped of your natural rights, and they are now sold back to you as privileges that you have to keep paying for until you die.

[@mazdaroadster-mx5]

@@andrew_koala2974 what

[@orionparish9858]

CAMS obiously watched the 1981 Indianapolis 500 and what they tried to do to Bobby Unser, and thought "Hey. We can do it better than the Americans." Kind of what it feels like here.

[@TheBluBalls]

CAMS overturned the penalty made by another party at the track.

[@mrivantchernegovski3869]

Allen Grice straight out the car grabs a cigarette lights it up no worries lol, those idiots of officials that screwed it up at such a high level of autosports and i bet never said they were wrong

[@tonyhezemans4494]

Grice should of been disqualified for two reasons, no helmet and his motor was about a litre over spec.

[@wadedixon6780]

What an absolute farce.

[@iancampbell7171]

Blatant Formula GM-H......which ultimately turned out to be Government Money Heist.

[@dontrufit7889]

motorsport officials have cheated in favor of holdens ever since I have known and they are still doing it today and everyone must come behind holden. (holden are displaying they are actually asleep at the wheel) general motors holden aka gmh is not australian. Holden parent company is american, general motors chevrolet aka gmc we have no australian car we may have had several foreign manufacturers build/assemble cars in australia but they have since departed but no australian car which means most profits have gone offshore to their foreign owners so I have no idea why so much favourtism toward only one manufacturer without any competition in this sport and removing the rest when competition should be welcomed and building better cars than what we actually have now and may the best man win (no offence is meant or implied to anyone whatsoever)

[@paulmavric887]

Farce

[@jadesmith6823]

What a balls up 🤦😂

[@LB1973]

From a complete outsider who has watched a lot of Aussie motorsport, I don't think its a holden/ford thing its a more Moffat was/is a bit of a dick thing. In all of motorsport the only guy i can think of that is a bigger moaner and rule book waver was Mansell,

[@colinamor]

Your a total wanker . Allan Moffat is a hero of Australian motor a sport . He was responsible for upgrading it. Introduced sponcers corporate backing and professionalism of the sport. Best driver at that time and yes better than BROCK . A fact even Brock acknowledged.