2.0 List Building Episode 1 - Getting Started in Horus Heresy

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[@SacredGumby]

Me and the four other Word Bearers players are totally pumped for the next video.

[@sempthegreat]

Let us pray brothers. 🙏

[@SacredGumby]

@@sempthegreat may we be shown the way to deal with 2+,3++,4+++ and 3+, re-rollable 4++, 4+++ saves.

[@quimble2177]

Hey I’ll be joining that number soon. *eventually*

[@connorbaird8596]

@@quimble2177 same, I'll make a word bearers army.....eventually.

[@nicsnavely1277]

#4 here, praise the gods

[@user-ee6ih4tu8i]

Looks at the levels Ah yes, 30 tyrant siege terminators it is.

[@MrCitizen0]

Fulmentarus are better

[@SacredGumby]

@@MrCitizen0 everything the Ultramarine do is better.

[@filipmanicmushroomsandrzej4073]

As an Iron Warriors enthusiast, I'll type that 30 Tyrant Siege terminators are only useful againt vechicules and power armor. They just can't handle 2+ saves. I find them really cool looking and all, but not much use for that point cost.

[@MrCitizen0]

@@filipmanicmushroomsandrzej4073 yes I love them also but I have 15 forge world versions and play alpha legion was gonna use them until I realized the ultra marine version works better for my army list. Now I have to list and sell on ebay . Feel so frustrated 😠

[@filipmanicmushroomsandrzej4073]

@@MrCitizen0 I was going to paint 10 of the Fulmentarus guys (I already had 3D printed launchers for them) but then the rules came out.... I find them even more disgusting than Sigismund :|

[@jimboonlyone]

In our meta we found that rad grenades work wonders against dreads. Double charge with a rad equiped squad, then krak grenades make meat from a dread. Surprised many FoTA players.

[@OzymandiasRex]

Excellent! Your old video "9 rules for list building" was one of my favourites and one of the videos I most recommended to friends getting into the heresy. Although I've got to say your rule of adding a scoring unit for every 500pts seems impossible now at 3000pts.

[@BoxDread]

Just as a note on your NL list, Raptors and Terrors aren't scoring in HH2 terror assault, I've been filing out my Line with Infiltrating recon with shotguns. NR's are bad enough without their target being knocked down to WS4

[@DirtyMardi]

Keep in mind that recons cannot be compulsory troops so you will still need two units of tacticals, assault marines, despoilers or breachers in terror assault.

[@MrZakalwe]

@@DirtyMardi Night Raptors and Terror squads can be the troops to take the recon squads 😁 Terror assault.

[@chrislevitt4929]

Not the video Heresy deserved but the video it needed. Thank you macca

[@inquisitorpedro3727]

Got about 5mins into this and realised I need to save it for future reference... really solid advice, thanks macca.

[@jamessmart5762]

Love these kind of videos! Looking forward Alpha legion!

[@dpsmaztorbator]

loved this, more please. Plus 1 vote for a XIII legion themed list.

[@jamesr8666]

make that two :P

[@theunseenparagon7074]

Very helpful for building my list. If only the Blackshields could get their rules - I would be able to enhance my play with this video as a framework.

[@benjaminbrenner745]

Thank you! edit: Also that Salamanders list is beautiful :)

[@jasparbupre8944]

Good video, cant wait til there are more and more tanks though.

[@jacko-san7570]

Amazing compilation, great video as always! That Dreadnought list looks sick, kinda tingles my Iron Hands 'The Flesh is Weak'-vibe

[@claymore1555]

Of course the recon squad was hard to find

[@bryanallen3939]

lol

[@DarkKnightCuron]

Looking forward to more of these!

[@thexydis]

Hey Macca, I know you mentioned this on the preview vid, but I think you made a mistake with the raptors and terror assault being scoring. P197, Liber Hereticus only says they're able to be taken as troops, but there's no mention of them getting line-sub type

[@DawnTapping]

I wish at least Terror Squads were scoring.

[@Petzkopf]

If you are also playing with legacy units, you should consider using Castra Ferrum Dreadnoughts as a shooting platform instead of contemptors. Twin lascannon plus helical targeting array is basically the same points as basic contemptor.

[@Wanten-the-stormtrooper]

As a budding Emperor's Children player with 2 Castraferrums planned to be included, this is great info! I'll be happy to replace at least some contemptors with castraferrums!

[@guilliman1990]

Currently printing of 9 6 for my legions forces an the last 3 for black shields

[@jonathankilby6636]

So glad you're giving love to the sallies

[@TheGeorgemcc]

Unfortunately neither Night Raptors nor Terror squads are scoring. Adding a librarian with the telepathy power to a Night Raptors squad is super filthy if you are feeling particularly mean

[@matthewprior8466]

Trying to build my first salamanders army so this was a excellent vid for me,anymore salamanders list would be great

[@thatnewhobbyhigh]

I learnt a lot from this, I've been going about my army all wrong.

[@undeadmusky]

DG please! Even though you mocked my paint scheme in that Terrain vid you just dropped lolol!

[@Arisawa_Heavy_Ind]

Hey Mr Circle, please do a drop pot heavy list next time, I'd love to have a reason to buy the Kharybdis Assault Claw and multiple drop pods in my World Eaters list since I think drop pods are very world eater-ish

[@bartoszchronikarz6972]

I know next vid will probably be traitor focused, but i'd love to see your take on the Sagyar Mazan force you showed on the channel some time ago, but in HH 2.0. Now we have the Sagyar Mazan RoW, but Jetbikes have been, well shafted. But as i stated i'd love to see your try on this fore you once built

[@Balevolt]

Night Lords player here, Terror Assault doesn't give line

[@magicianman534]

Any thoughts on combi- disintegrators for apothecaries? Seems like it could be a cheeky way to spend a few extra points to have a solid chance of vaporizing a random terminator wanting to charge a tac squad once per game.

[@trajanthegreat2928]

Great video. Could you do a video on how to counter some of the strongest lists that people might run into like you did with the FotA pounder? Stuff like the IF Stone Gauntlet.

[@user-co3ie4bs1u]

Salamander roaster - stunning!!!!

[@titobenito43]

I have gotton good use out of casta ferrum dreads with dual lascannons. Used as support snipers insta killing characters and termies. As well as popping open vehicle.

[@MrCitizen0]

Very nice breakdown on what's good and what's the counter to popular hard to beat set ups

[@professordew3168]

Good timing! Just got home from the HH games at LVO..😂

[@josephskiles]

Awesome, hope you had a great time! Who you play and what did you bring?

[@professordew3168]

@@josephskiles I had a great time! I didn’t get to play this time around, but I did get to watch my fellow Vegas friends and show support .Im heading out to the last day now to see the end of the super mega HH battle.

[@josephskiles]

@@professordew3168 glad your there having an amazing time!

[@philobskera334]

Your videos are always good.

[@lorgor4eva]

Great tips all round. Particularly felt the pain when covering nightlords I’m wanting something different with my word bearers with heavy assault infantry, destroyers, recons ect legion. So yeah please GW more troops less tanks please GW lol 😅

[@tdeidaratify]

Night Raptors and Terror are not scoring

[@TheOuterCircle]

Sorry, CONTESTING*

[@cossoniebaum]

Unfortunately you have to take a centurion with the legion champion consul upgrade for the salamanders covenant of fire build. Awesome video though! You are amazing!

[@tomdudley5314]

Really enjoyed the vid, great format and explanation of how the units work. Really liked your intital balanced/starter army as a foundational approach to building an army. From a personal viewpoint (Word Bearers PoV), I have no idea how 'balanced' stands up to any of those specialist/optimum lists you mentioned. Are those type of speciliast/optimum lists common within the meta?

[@richardhowells5804]

I'm going to build Alpha Legion, my base units are that of the HH1 Betrayal at Calth box. What would you advise as a next purchase to cement the force. Current units. x5 Cataphracti (either L Claws or heavy flamer, have parts to kitbash assault cannons) x30 MK4 Tactical marines x1 Cataphracti Captain with chainfist and stormbolter, melta combi. x1 MK4 captain with maul and plasma pistol x1 Rhino x1 Contemptor Dreadnought Primarch Alpharius.

[@tomdamoose2461]

Imo: Sniper marines Fulmentarus or tyrant seige terminators Something big and scary (aircraft, tank or something you like)

[@jamesespinosa690]

Thanks for the content Macca! Questions, why do you say objectives aren't as important this edition? What's changed?

[@davidubois86]

Make the best possible TS list, please! Miss that ditch of yours… ;)

[@niallgeary94]

Ec and ts would be helpful

[@MrCitizen0]

Damn. Good video this is what we needed !!!! No one else breaks it down like this well done

[@teenytinymaracas33]

I'd love to see what you think of the Aus30k Liber Centura units. Very professional done fan made stuff.

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

Step 1) Start a new legion if you play IF or UM to help balance the meta in your area.* Step 2) Do not play TS unless you like Hard Mode. Step 3) ??? Step 4) Profit! * Also, they are the worst Mary Sues in the setting.

[@DemonAce18]

Thank you for the video. I would like to ask how you would build a Bitter Duty/Hatred (Traitors) Company of Bitter Iron focused Iron Hands force?

[@ignitedxblaze]

sad times... night raptors and terror squads don't score....

[@biglabrat4248]

How many points is that Salamander list?

[@isaacbrowning5871]

Iron warriors please. I'm just getting into the hobby and want to build a Iron warriors army so I'd like all the advice I can get.

[@petercarlson8240]

I'd be interested to hear how many games of 2.0 you've played -? Not that you aren't presenting some good tips here, but I'm curious if this is advice gleaned from playing these lists or are these internet consensus lists?

[@MrCitizen0]

Are u suggesting 4 apothecary? Or 2 ? When u show the image of them on ea army set up

[@toml7119]

Nice one Macca! Would love to see you run through what you think might be the strongest couple of lists for each of the Legions. Maybe one obvious one and then one lowkey underrated list that's slept on?

[@NapoleonicWargaming]

Power gaming isn't really what HH is about. 40k is for that

[@toml7119]

@@NapoleonicWargaming yeah cheers for that. Strong list =/= power gaming.

[@tomdudley5314]

Bit of side note from the main vid but how is your play testing of your D10 system going?

[@andrewbakescakes9684]

I wonder how FotA will get balanced. It is clearly almost as busted as UM units and IF rules. I think they should do ALL of the following: - Increase all dreadnaught point costs. - Lower dreadnaught M, BS, T, I and W values. Doritos can still be BS 5 though. - Make rules like Sunder and Exo-Shock work against them in some fashion. - Create a penalty condition for this RoW similar to DA conditions that give VP to the enemy if something is not achieved.

[@_0wl_]

Hey macca do you you think you could do a list build for an IF army centred around the templar assault RoW? My army is made around it, but I cant find many other lists to compare it to and I would love to get your take on it! I can also post my list if you would like to read it.

[@MrCitizen0]

So aside from the dreadnoughts ans Sabres the daek angel list is all melee for or less?

[@iankay4915]

Could you share that paint chart of all the units! Cheers

[@sullywully95]

@Theoutercircle Im trying to run a destroyer themed army, what can i do to achieve this list thanks ?

[@pimmoh5159]

like subscribe comment for the algorithm sequence intiated

[@briancampbell2030]

Why recon over scout squad? I’m new to this, but isn’t the only difference armor between the two?

[@ExileDCC]

Recon Squads have Line (scoring), while Scout Squads do not.

[@JasonPBury]

How many points is that Salamanders list? Very similar to what I am building right now.

[@JasonPBury]

Also doesnt covenant of fire need a legion champion to make it legal?

[@sergelevesque1575]

It does indeed, it look like 3500-4000

[@I_am-lost.]

Tbh, I'll always say what I say about 40k marines as well. Take what you think looks cool or is cool. Balance your list between busted and fun. Not everyone enjoys flat out winning, and no one enjoys flat out loosing

[@user-co3ie4bs1u]

AL next time, pls)

[@Drobeis]

Comment for the comment god Algorithm for the algorithm throne

[@MrCitizen0]

Pls do alpha legion and word bearers!

[@blitzblade8870]

Coment for algorithm

[@Azkaellon9001]

Blood angels would be an easy one; just don't play the legion!

[@metagrossle]

Comment

[@toooldfortwowheels2048]

Think you've developed some sort of cough there mate you ok? 😉 Edit: Where's ep 2 with Alpha Legion?

[@fukkami6204]

For the Legion, the Emperor and the Algorithm.... Misses a bit of a punch. Sorry Macca

[@notare]

what points level are you playing at? Your Salamanders list is so wrong. With that rite of war you MUST take a centurion with the champion upgrade. So Cata. praetor, champion, 10 flamer marines, your 3 units of pyroclasts with transports, your unit of hammer+shield Firedrakes with transport comes to 2985 points, with no upgrades to the transports or any nonbasic gear on any characters. your list, still missing the required champion and any upgrades to anything, comes to 3465 points. Congrats, you get to play with flamer templates and lose against everything. what you're smelling isn't cheese, its garbage.

[@SacredGumby]

Nerd Rage represent 🤣

[@guilliman1990]

Imagine being angry that someone is playing their legion even if it's renowned trash? Gosh

[@saschahein6332]

The list for the Night Lords might not work since Terror Squads and Night Raptors don’t get Line 🥲