2 Clicks Out: Suzuki SV650 Gen 2 Suspension Upgrade Stages

[@vytas5584]

Mate stop making me feel guilty about my fork oil that's been in there god knows how long

[@memewizard8372]

@gillan64 Heat is what breaks down the fork oil, if it's only been ridden 13000km it's not going to look all that bad.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

@@memewizard8372 might not look bad, but with a damping rod fork it will be a much different viscosity to new.

[@andrewpurkis1049]

Lol😂

[@mbrad2669]

🤣🤣

[@Steyreon]

There is oil in the fork? 😮

[@G58]

Some are commenting that the ads are intrusive. Ordinarily I’d agree with, but Dave just gifted us a masterclass in bike suspension tuning - for free to us. So, he needs to get paid, but unlike a lot of egos who are essentially just farting opinions into the net, Dave’s advice is genuinely valuable. Actually, I’d argue it’s priceless. So he deserves to get paid, and paid well. The ads are fine. Now I’m going to watch again. I’m a fast empirical learner, but a slow learner when being taught. Thank you for sharing Dave. Awesome advice.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thanks for the support and respect. I appreciate your self knowledge in regards to learning. Enjoy the video!

[@G58]

Dave Moss Tuning You’re welcome mate. I will figure it out. Very impressed by your way. Do you know 46 Works bike customising channel run by Shiro Nakajima? He’s at the top of his game too. Both of you are younger than me, but I just absorb your superior, no bullshit approach. Very educational.

[@critzlez8593]

just get adblock guys. Ublock origin extension

[@SinnerSince1962]

Thanks Dave for helping so many riders who otherwise might become discouraged due to poor setups. You are a gem among the riding community!

[@BakedAndAwakePodcast]

This man is a treasure and must be protected at all costs.

[@subpoppy1]

Dave doing his thing. was there at the beginning. Dave has forgotten more about basic suspension tuning that most of know. It aint rocket science but he's brutally honest and focused. And I dig his style.

[@DarkIzo]

For my own reference, and people like me. Suspension Upgrade Path: Stage 1 [3:07] Front: Emulators for damping control Rear: Swap shock for full adjustability (and to influence ride height) Stage 2 [6:00] Front: Cartridge kit for rebound and compression control Rear: - Stage 3 [10:42] Front: Swap front end for full adjustability and compatability to radial calipers Rear: - Addition 1 [19:06] Front: - Rear: Increase tire size from 160 to 180 Addition 2 [19:49] Front: Swapped front end with aftermarket valving/cartridges Rear: Aftermarket shock SG

[@ianlawrie919]

Still listening intently, now understand 6% of your daily work. I'm getting there.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Take a topic per month and let it settle in. Start with sag, stiction, rebound and compression and suspension travel used. Those are the foundations.

[@commonsense7057]

My first bike back in 06 was a 2004 SV650S. I used it as my primary source of transportation for a few years after buying it. They are great bikes.

[@jimstenlund6017]

I want to check out a S model, but I’m 6’2” and thinking it will feel too small. Riding a ‘02 FZ1 now

[@VinCode17]

💪

[@MohamadAliHammoudi]

@@jimstenlund6017im 6ft it’s very good

[@lpmitmert6656]

@@jimstenlund6017 what did you buy at the end?

[@jimstenlund6017]

@@lpmitmert6656 Bought a ‘23 RPS Condor 150 ( Grom ‘clone’ ) then lost my job, was unemployed for several months, new job is 7mi away either city or can ride desert, but any high-speed stuff would be really brief if any, so the little 150 works really well, but I still have the big FZ1 ( which is a excellent machine, just a bit much/heavy, harder to park at work )

[@the_landoawd]

As a big rider (225lb) on a stock setup Gen2 SV650, these vids are super helpful. Keep em coming.

[@oldschoolgoblin]

Did you upgrade your suspension for your weight?

[@Invis_Space]

ooft, could feel the satisfaction in the last rider once bike was dialled in 👍🏻

[@DaleWalkerHoleshot]

Way to go Dave, your the man ! Trusty SV 650 is one of my favorite bikes of all time ! Cheers Buddy Dale !

[@jeffh278]

Cool to see a living legend comment here

[@DaleWalkerHoleshot]

@@jeffh278 Cheers DW

[@natural9743]

This man's knowledge is a shock

[@kevinvesely2654]

Here I am, looking for tuning advice for my SV650, and I find this video of me getting tuning advice from Dave Moss on my purple SV650. Now that I moved away from Humboldt, I'm doing track days again. Sage Wilkenson sold me a Penske shock, now I'm saving for some Andreani Cartridges.

[@Captain-Donut]

There are some amazingly talented experienced people out there. In world of BS little vids like this brings a little happiness. Love from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@Fee.1]

Dave would probably win a CPR chest compressions contest easily

[@owensmith1258]

This is a great video with a wealth of knowledge.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽I have learned so much in the past year from watching Dave’s videos. Awesome!

[@ckkrons2338]

Mesmerized watching the master work. Love how Dave never comes with an answer out of the box, always looks to rider, conditions and bike....internet opinion jockeys could learn a thing.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thanks - taking stock of the total picture serves anyone well otherwise you are instantly lost in micro details.

[@alanbrown5593]

A vastly underrated bike, which for not much money the suspension and brakes can be upgraded. A properly modded bike is more fun than most stock 1000cc on the track.

[@sv650nyc7]

Not underrated at all. It's a modern classic and widely used as a cheap race bike. Good 2nd gen bikes are increasingly hard to find because once you own one, you're unlikely to ever sell it.

[@chrisb4504]

If you’re reading this Dave I’d like to say you’re a clever bloke I’m guessing to have this knowledge was built up over many years 👏

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thanks for the compliment. I've been doing this work since 1995 and sharing my knowledge via video since 2004. It has been a few minutes :)

[@BarabasKarabas]

I had a beautiful 2006 SV650S that I crashed... I then proceeded to upgrade the bike with a 2007 GSXR-750 front end, steel braided lines and put a 2007 ZX-10R shock. Ended up being one of the best handling bikes I've ever owned.

[@jeffh278]

Need a Dave Moss Q&A. I would love to hear how you got started tuning suspensions

[@brucesmotorcycleshop3729]

Awesome video! I work for a suspension company in Germany and I just love watching those videos! We're actually building our own shocks and Cartridge systems if you're interested 😊

[@izakvanderwesthuizen793]

[e-mail]

[@tonirockyhorror1]

I would be... any way to get information?

[@brucesmotorcycleshop3729]

You guys can shoot us an email at: ​[e-mail] (nothing to do with Racetech USA) or on Instagram under hhracetech

[@tranixter]

Best all rounder ever produced!

[@burgersquid]

my guy with 80s Vanson leathers, combat boots, and a zx9r shock in his sv650, haha (This comment brought to you by some guy with a zx14 shock in his sv1000.)

[@bobrowley4346]

I'm about to swap my stock SV shock out for a ZX14, anything I should know? Note: it's what I could get. I do plan on adding weight via luggage, so I figured the shock would prove appropriate...?

[@spirosgal1885]

This guy knows what's up. True professional

[@andrewdanvers308]

Got an 07 SV1000S with dual Yoshis. Sweetest sounding bike I've ever heard.

[@FancyFeast3]

I have a Vstrom 650 with 40K miles on it. It's similar to the SV engine. The previous owner did not change the oil. It was brown when it came out, the engine barely complained. The chain was so loose it was slapping the bike, the bike barely complained as well. Bike is unreal.

[@yungBitta291]

This isn’t the first video I’ve seen of you Dave I enjoy watching you teach people about how there bike needs to be for them

[@Zeebo1uk]

Just started building a Gen2 SV for my youngest son's first track/race bike

[@UncleWally3]

To paraphrase Mitch Hedberg: It’s almost like someone tuning an instrument, it is someone tuning an instrument, but it it’s almost like one too.

[@greentoaster]

this guy is incredibly good at his job. amazing stuff

[@alanrodriguez7341]

Dave thank you for helping the motorcycling community. It takes dedication and discipline to teach others what the bike is doing with out much rider input and description. The riders are learning and learning about themselves too. Thanks, Al

[@zweispurmopped]

Excellent episode, Sire! Congrats to your well deserved 100k subscribers!

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Zweispur Mopped 👍😎

[@mitchellmitchell6938]

We love your enthusiasm and passion and You’re pride in your work.

[@Master-di4di]

Mr Moss knows more about your safety then you do. Ride safe.

[@malibu188]

Great logical approach to the bike setup. Running out of front end travel in a long fast turn at a race track can be a very un-nerving experience.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thanks, and I can speak from personal experience that you stated that very politely.

[@97irishflyer]

Thanks Dave! I learned more in a half hour than 20 years.

[@gmc3578]

Dave Moss never tires of measuring Sag! Thanks for all the hard work Dave!!

[@cat793cdumpy]

This is absolute suspension masterclass.

[@robhertcarvalho5570]

So much experience, its pleasant to watch you .

[@MoFe12345]

I might need to facetime you to get my 2018 Aprilia RSV4 dialed in. Thank you for the work you do

[@ukdnbmarsh]

excellent knowledge, even experienced mechanics could learn alot from you Dave

[@stevefoote7451]

Impressive Mr. Moss. Taking one look at a part and being able to tell manufacturer and year. Mastery of your craft. Kudos.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thank you Steve. That knowledge can really help riders interested in a project build and short cut their time considerably on research.

[@essex__rider]

This is why I’m here!!! 💪

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Welcome and enjoy!

[@gossmanai]

This dude is the suspension wizard

[@dennisrkb]

Right up there together with the FZ07

[@bobbyalford5679]

I need to get in touch with this guy..bought an 04 sv650 with upgraded gsxr750 front forks & rear shock, also rear swing arm was changed for a 190 tire

[@catalystreactionsbw]

You have no excuses now - [e-mail]. I look forward to hearing from you.

[@Jan-mu6vs]

This is very useful. My next bike will get a suspension tune as well as a dyno

[@bartfamz]

i think the spring to soft but to long will go past many! that haven't replaced springs etc. That remark caught me off guard but under a bit of thinking it makes sense. I've been around off-road tuners a bit! never got into "shortening" and its a no brainer that in certain situations that might be a better call, than assuming different weight spring. that's a good one, an actual new one for me! thanks\

[@laughingdog1125]

makes me soo happy watching

[@trevor6483]

Holy heck, you are amazing my man.

[@KARMAkazeMoto]

Sort of facinating. Really encouraged to get my 97 Suzuki Bandit 1200 forks and shock in order this winter. Probably all stock stuff that has never seen maintenance. 😬 Great info here, thanks. 👍🙂

[@catalystreactionsbw]

15 or 20w oil fork the forks, 130mm oil height. Make sure they get cleaned if there are no tool marks on the fork cap!

[@KARMAkazeMoto]

@@catalystreactionsbw I'm even more encouraged now, thanks! I will absolutely do a meticulous cleaning. Will likely change the seals and dust cover. Bike is getting old, but runs like a champ. Was considering new springs and emulators (has always felt mushy up front), but for my normal riding habits, not a necessity. If you have an opinion on that sort of upgrade I'm all ears. Subscribed!

[@catalystreactionsbw]

@@KARMAkazeMoto Replace top and bottom bushing, dust and oil seal and get some 400 grit emery cloth to polish the tubes:

[@KARMAkazeMoto]

@@catalystreactionsbw Yes Sir! Cheers from Alaska! 🍻

[@karu6111]

that's another way of saying the most underbuilt motorcycle ever just kidding I love SVs, it's my dream commuter

[@rideyourbikent]

My dream commuter is an Xwing fighter

[@joemaffei3760]

Can’t say congrats or thanks enough! Love the knowledge! Awesome edit!

[@e.m.c.2102]

every video i saw from Moss now... is Great! that infos! full of them!

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Great to hear! Thank you for posting.

[@SkyLinMegas]

as always .. great tips .. i dont race .. but for daily riding , your vids have helped me allot thank you for uploading

[@richardstoffel6585]

Watching this, I realized I knew nothing about suspension set ups. 😬 I need to figure out how to get my stuff in the ball park

[@catalystreactionsbw]

That's why we created Remote Tuning so I can help you via video as you work with me on your bike at your home :) davemosstuning.com/remote-tuning/.

[@ukdnbmarsh]

yeah i have an 07 SV650s and yeah you can really notice how spongey the stock suspension is , its a whole different style of riding from my ZX10R

[@ivanblanton081]

Very informative. I will be tuning into more videos. Cheers from Texas

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thanks for watching!

[@pipertomahawk11]

Hi dave!im ur subscriber from philippines here and i really learned a lot from ur vlogs.keep it up and a 5 stars from u!!

[@m.n.8957]

Awesome listening to a guy with a lot of knowledge :-)

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video!

[@dylanshawhanable]

I don’t understand most of what Dave is saying, but I nod and agree

[@catalystreactionsbw]

How can we help change that?

[@dylanshawhanable]

@@catalystreactionsbw perhaps a remote tuning at my next track day 👍🏻

[@RevengeAvenger]

I wish I had a Great time my first time out like these gentlemen. Wow! The community is tight but there are some mid tier bikers that just make you not want to go back because they want les traffic to feel faster

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Same with any experience in life. Those that welcome you and those that resent your presence. Track days are no different, nor are "local" rider groups that have their own clique on their own roads. Either way make the experience yours especially when you are paying for it!

[@micko1404]

I am slowly understanding the science behind suspensionography, just..... I need to get my suspension sorted on my ZX14R

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Remote Tuning was created and designed to help you with that to find your base setting. It also helps you with concepts, the how and why etc via the 30 minute videos consult. If you want to get to work on your own: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpymeKJ6n9mhg5Y

[@micko1404]

@@catalystreactionsbw, absolutely sir! I just measured the static sag on the forks and found it had 5mm and hard as a rock. So I started off with zero preload and zero rebound and got the forks sorted!! Just got to work on the Ohlins TTX shock now. Will replace the fork oil and get the rear shock oil replaced, I'd do it myself but I don't have the specialist tooling. Bike has 21,000km on it and unsure of its past maintenance record. I'd just like to thank you for your experience. You are definitely the god of suspension!!!

[@damien9975]

Good information, thanks. Would you recommend fitting a 120/70 front tyre as opposed to the stock 120/60

[@strongocho]

3:45 I love that color

[@bluedog2367]

Where are you from Dave? This is the first video I’ve watched of yours. Great job 👍

[@bobrowley4346]

This is magic!

[@nikhum322]

This is doing the very basic setup to get the bike somewhere right to your weight. To do a complete set up you need to ride the bike and really know what needs to be done, or use some advanced matrix mesurment tools. The difference from a good suspension set up to a great one can be a second per lap. I had great set ups perhaps 2 or 3 times during my time of racing, and I wish I would have spent more time learning this art as it makes more of a difference when it comes to lap times then anything else. As Honda says, Power is nothing without controle!

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Thank you for your comment and i hope with your current motorcycle, you can find a great set up!

[@chem599]

Sorry but i can totally see him restricting and helping the movement of the suspension! Not doubting his knowledge of suspension and tyres.

[@grantcharteris9411]

Been watching for a while still no more confident to do my own set up

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Then please make use of the Remote Tune service I provide so that I can hep you in your own garage make the set up changes you need. davemosstuning.com/remote-tuning/

[@Giitzerland]

I bet there's never enough of him to go around, this is why we need clones! :D

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Hence the copious amount of video in this channel to assist riders everywhere on the planet!

[@MikMech]

A perfect tuner... No magic mushroom bullshit or fat fingered guessing. Kudos

[@BonjobyBasketball]

I shit you not I literally started researching this yesterday haha. I currently have a cbr500r road bike, and I'm considering turning it into a track bike vs buying an sv650 for the same purpose.

[@rogerw3818]

Get the SV, the CBR500R is a turd. When raced in either WERA or MotoAmerica, it races against Ninja 400s and Yamaha R3s and can't keep up with either of tham.

[@BonjobyBasketball]

@@rogerw3818 that's true, but this is moreso a tool for me to learn track riding before upgrading to a 600 than a permanent track/race bike. And I'd save roughly 4 grand by going w the 500 :/

[@madbull4666]

@@BonjobyBasketball why would you save so much? Can get a gen 1 sv which can go under a grand. It would probably be more fun and you may learn a lot on the SV compared to the cb500. Plus the sv650 has better used parts for sale and more groups for racing and general stuff.

[@BonjobyBasketball]

@@madbull4666 bike market is crazy expensive in AU atm cause erryone cashed up from gov incentives. And I'd have to start modding the bike all over again whereas I've already done everything I want to my CBR minus suspension upgrades.

[@madbull4666]

@@BonjobyBasketball damn that's a shame! Sorry to hear that all bikes are inflated over there!

[@nilzmoto6238]

Great video Dave! Thanks for making it available! I'm looking to replace my cbr600rr with a current gen sv650 as my daily commuter. Used to have an 06 with a gsxr fork swap and ohlins 30mm cartridge kit and loved the way it handled. My question is this: how much better would a gsxr front end with an aftermarket cartridge be than the stock forks with an aftermarket cartridge (just saw that ohlins makes one) now that the stock forks have four pot calipers? In other words, could I get close to the performance of a fork swap by just installing a cartridge kit and some better pads and lines? I also plan on replacing the shock. Not interested in emulators. Most of my riding is on the street with occasional track days. Thanks!

[@catalystreactionsbw]

For daily commuting with the SV, fork swap will be cheaper than cartridges and will work better overall.

[@nilzmoto6238]

@@catalystreactionsbw Great! Thanks for the tip!

[@johntorri9172]

Really informative video! and I don't even have a BIKE! haha thanks Dave

[@manuelfvdias]

Congrats for the 100k subscribers! Have you ever tuning the Yamaha TRX 850? I just cannot find it in your videos. It seems to me it has a similar behavior to the sv650... Thanks.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Yes, 2 ina ll my years of tuning. Quiet the "unicorn". Very much similar to the SV with damping so it needs sound work.

[@stefanie_m466]

i want stiff slow rebound and soft fast and slow compression at rear and front mid compression and mid high slow stiff rebound. 1, it prevents diving and doing unwanted stoppies, decreased stop time and more grip while braking. it also prevents the bike from doing wheelies. now on cornering high speeds, heh on a public road that is 99 percent never the case.

[@rideyourbikent]

Wounder if Dave has any tips for improving the ride and handling of my Misses

[@dazednconfused31337]

One up the front and two in the rear.

[@LonelyRavenProductio]

Gen 1 owner and on the heavy side...I need to find some help in the Denver area! Oh, and yeah...my fork oil is probably a decade old.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Boulder Motorsports or we can work together via Remote Tuning leveraging the web on platforms like Skype, Facetime, WhatsApp or Messenger

[@LonelyRavenProductio]

@@catalystreactionsbw Much thanks! I'm only recently back in the Denver area. In Chicago I had several people I could take the bike to, but clueless who to trust out here!

[@nickhailrogers5544]

Are gold emulators worth it if all I'm doing is commuting and twisties?

[@livefast.82]

I wish I know more of the #23 bike build.

[@livefast.82]

Minute 20:42

[@henryaul1231]

THIS MAN IS WAY SUPER KOOL . AUL GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DrKampfpudding]

dont let dave know that i never changed my fork oil in 50.000 km

[@andypreston6899]

The bike with twin exhausts at Laguna was an SV1000 😁

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Great point. Yes, dual exhaust is a key ID feature of the 1000 vs the 650, but in this case it's a 650 with a custom exhaust. www.svrider.com/threads/two-brothers-dual-exhaust-on-gen-2-sv650.393847/

[@radwanghazimoumeh]

guy with yellow sv... how on earth were you let in to leguna seca with combat boots??

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Radwan Ghazi Moumneh easier to walk in than race boots. He would not be allowed to go around the track wearing those...

[@mario.chichmanov]

Dave, I need your help. How do I measure sag correctly? At 6:30 in this video, you measured it by comparing the bike under its own weight, with the rider on the bike. In another video you asked Dave Williams to pick the back of the bike up (but not into the air). Recently I've watched an old Keith Code video on sag, in which levers the back of the bike into the air via the kickstand. Which method is correct?

[@mikehunt3987]

Rider: Just 3mm? Dave Moss Internal Tuning Dialog: 3.0363mm exactly...

[@karoz2861]

I've just ordered a set of Misano cartridges for my sv. Unfortunately they can't tell me which specific oil to use, only 10w, which we know can be all over the place. Where do you think is a good place to start, considering I can go (in theory) from 5 to 115 cSt. I wanted to say thank you for your videos, both on KZbin and on your website, they helped me a lot in trying to figure out what's wrong with my setup!

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Maxima or Motul oil height 130mm once the cartridges are bled correctly, Start with forks at stock position. Set sag for rider only at 30-35mm

[@sidwainhouse]

I loved my SV650, awesome bike but I found the riding position a short for me, after 20 minutes I'd lose feeling in my legs which was nice... 🤣

[@02TuRD]

The 2003 model has a seat height nearly an inch taller than the other years if that’s of any help.

[@ifrit35]

22:14 Wait a minute. You say this is a gsx-r fork but these brake calipers are clearly from Yamaha.

[@jimmyjames2549]

The Yamaha (Brembo oem) calipers are a superior upgrade over the Suzuki ones. Very common to swap them out.

[@ifrit35]

@@jimmyjames2549 I've now looked into this and it seems like this swap is even used on Kawasaki sportsbikes. I don't believe these things are brembo though. It's a 2004 design from the yamaha r1.

[@bikeserv]

@@ifrit35 They are Sumitomo calipers.And they are monoblock,very good parts

[@02TuRD]

You gave me a lot of screen time, Dave-over eight minutes. That’s probably a good reflection on how out of shape my SV was.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Or we want viewers to learn as much as they can with such a popular bike :)

[@02TuRD]

@@catalystreactionsbw I learned so much from that experience that I was able to do a decent job of making my own adjustments by reading my “tissue paper” tires that after another four track days of various temperatures and increased pace (shaved off seven seconds from the day my bike was filmed) that the tires still appear to be in excellent shape and will make excellent hand me downs to my Speed Twin.

[@silviodante27]

Hello, first and all I love your chanel. I have sv 650 2003 gen. Changed last year suspension (front andreani cartridge fully customised and rear yss fully customised shock). I didnt checked sag when I changed it and I was lift rear suspension by 0.5 cm or more. One day in corner cca 100 kmh I had speed woble from front end to rear and crash. Later I put the suspension on the lowest setting. The previous owner put 180 55 rear tyre so rear end of bike is higher with this setup because front is 120 60 r17 stock. Should I change maybe front tyre to 120 70 r17 because to put front end higher and enable future speed woble and crashes, watched motorcycle like gsxr 600 and 1000 and they have rear 180 60 the front is 120 70 not 120 60, thanks.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Sorry you had an accident. 120/60 needs a 160 rear as a maximum size. The 180/60 is for a 5.5 inch wheel. Is that what you have? If so, change to the 120/70 front.

[@silviodante27]

@@catalystreactionsbw thanks for answer, I will check my rear rim width.

[@richardplantagenet8090]

Ok so, going to put cartridges on the front and a surrogate shock on the rear. When will Dave be in the UK? I'll need a set up.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

That's why I developed Remote Tuning. You can do it from the comfort of your own home.

[@richardplantagenet8090]

@@catalystreactionsbw Deal.

[@lucasrustt]

44teeth raced a sv650 too and they did great until the dude fell lol

[@Fee.1]

This was awesome Dave and editor guy, Two Clicks out: a Disney SV650 Movie

[@patkawasaki]

I have a Nitron rear and uprated k-tech springs on my series 2 (k3). The back end is good; the OE was a limiting factor when the speed went up on track. I'm sure the forks are still the weakness with lack of adjustment and crude action with a damping rod. I don't want to transplant forks. Is the Adriani kit a good buy?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Yes - great product!

[@russ02281990]

I've never understood how people can go do track days with little to no understanding of suspension

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Russ the Highlander everyone has started out with little or zero knowledge about suspension set ups. On the track is actually the best and safest way to actually learn the craft due to it being a controlled environment! Much safer and easier to do and learn than on the streets! I know Dave will agree with this... 👍😎

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Plus “track days” are different to actual race days.

[@russ02281990]

I think you missed my point. If you are doing a track day on track bikes (which these are being used as... well most of them were) then one would think you'd have an understanding of suspension as well rather than just buy a track bike and hope for the best. At least that's how I would think. I mean come one these these bikes weren't even close to being set up properly.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Russ the Highlander I actually believe you have reinforced my point and you’re missing it entirely. Have you done any track days or raced? I have. When I started I knew bugger all about suspension set up. How/why do you think someone like Dave tunes around 3,500 bikes per year? Tuning is a learnt art for suspension settings and takes years to really understand. You can be incredibly fast on a track, even with the wrong settings. However, the right adjustments isn’t something you can learn from reading a book. It takes years to master! So, what point is it that I’m missing? How many bikes have you actually set up? Or is your point based on lack of knowledge and just what you think should be correct? Dave wouldn’t be in business if riders (of all levels, inclusive of “A” grade racers). I know when I started 100 years ago, my team manager and a couple of others did the bike setups for me, which also changed due to different weather, different tracks etc... I was just quick, learnt and became quicker as a result. I know Dave wasn’t born with al of his wealth of experience, knowledge and wisdom.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Russ the Highlander just to add, if you listen to the actual riders most do have a basic understanding and relay that information about how the bike behaves. This also helps with the setups. It’s just the complexity of the required adjustments for not only the bike but more importantly the rider. Hence why people like Dave, all across the globe, can make a living out of it. The best $60 anyone could possibly spend on their own bike as just two clicks could actually turn into seconds gained per lap! The absolute best bang for buck possible!

[@aaronbouman3673]

Hey Dave. With the stage 3 rider who had his 2cts at 27F and 32R you said he should be running a minimum of 32 F&R for 2cts but when you gave him adjustments to make after tuning the suspension you said +3F and +1R. Which would only put the front at 30F. Is this because you don't want to make to dramatic a change on tyre pressure after making changes to suspension so the rider can getting better feedback from the suspension changes? Cheers.

[@catalystreactionsbw]

Great question. The tire is already hot, so we lost the opportunity with cold pressures as there is no linear relationship between cold and hot air. So, add the pressure and see how the tire responds. If it shows too hot, we add 3 more. Chasing incorrect pressures is tricky and needs to be methodical in the approach.

[@aaronbouman3673]

@@catalystreactionsbw Thanks for taking the time to answer my question Dave. That makes sense.

[@andybikerslifestyles7934]

I have a 2015 Ducati hypermotard and wish for u to give me some advice on my rear suspension I think it need’s adjusting

[@catalystreactionsbw]

do you have an email I can send questions to?

[@8alakai8]

i was in assen junoir track two weeks ago and my michelin road 5 even have some slight bleu on them only a tiny bit was 30c in the shade we where in the sun so they got hot and was riding stock mt 07 so bad shoks in the front and low ground clearance scraping pegs lol buit if i see bleu i think it got to hot?

[@catalystreactionsbw]

That is possible, and that can also be from UV damage in the 8-10 hours the bike was out in the sun.