2 Live TAG LEAKS In 1 Hand (Stop Doing This!)

[@ThePokerBank]

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[@MrTjthorso]

I wouldn't call the second mistake a massive mistake. I'm not even sure it's a mistake. His preflop call was undoubtedly a massive mistake. But as played, his raise makes sense. The board still has good connectivity for the other players behind. Calling would give players behind him good pot odds with garbage like gutters and backdoor flushes.

[@patrickhart7872]

Can’t wait for the next vid with your analysis of never slow playing a flopped set on a multway, draw-heavy board.

[@qwertz12345654321]

Yeah, my thoughts too. Completely ridiculous take. Always fast play sets on wet boards multiway

[@PhysicalDropz]

I feel like when you just call with a set here. You're allowing a flushdraw a great price to see e card with such a small cbet.

[@HomeStudioBasics]

Def one of your best videos. As a LAG this is probably a pretty significant leak for me - that is, getting it in with top pair top kicker because I'm stubborn and annoyed at someone raising me when I have a super strong hand heads up. The way you explain it is so crystal clear in the sense of when villain plays like this, he's essentially playing face up and in the moment you kind of tend to forget that sometimes. I think it's much easier to fold an overpair in a raised pot (KK for example) when someone donk leads and then there's a raise before your action. I was actually proud of myself yesterday for folding KK when this exact scenario played out and SB had flopped a set, but it's a bit more of a challenge to be disciplined heads up *at all times* Thank you for such a great explanation!!!

[@garrykimovich]

Is it good to 3bet with AJo from SB when a TAG raises UTG and gets two callers? You flopped top pair and kicker yet still just folded to the first raise, so I'm wondering what more can you hope for on the flop to keep playing that hand?

[@tomohawk52]

I wondered exactly the same. I don't think I've ever made that play with that hand OOP vs a TAG in that situation. I usually just fold AJo in that specific configuration. I guess I'm a nit. BTW, chess player?

[@garrykimovich]

@@tomohawk52 Yes you noticed it. :)

[@ThePokerBank]

The squeeze picks up the pot uncontested preflop a LOT of the time, given UTG usually folds and the other players don't come along with odds. This wasn't a "squeeze for value vs the UTG player" by any stretch =)

[@andrepatrick193]

I'm gonna have to vehemently disagree with your disapproval of villain's flop raise. It would be egregiously bad for him to flat your 1/5 pot bet with two behind on that wet board and all having less than a PSB remaining. You actually bet 33 into 160 and think that a flopped set is gonna flat with a PSB left?? C'mon man, I'd be raising that weak bet with a ton of stuff, your bet screams "I'M BET-FOLDING HERE!!"

[@here7036]

Yep, especially at 1-2. You want to clear bad draws, make good draws think twice and punish them for chasing, often getting a fold on the turn with a barrel on a missed draw card, or easy showdown on the river if they miss. and rarely is someone going to fold top pair top kicker at 1-2. I think the lesson is a good one, but giving free and cheap cards on a board as wet as this with the maniacs in 1-2 is kind of a no brainer imo. And this is can be a 3bet with draws, though less likely at 1-2 than 2-5, so a semi-bluff that could take down your pair as well.

[@ThePokerBank]

Right, but the issue is that the TAG in this hand almost certainly is NOT raising with enough weak hands - even if my $33 bet reps what you claim it does 🙂

[@IAMMARTICUS1470]

I disagree that Hero's c-bet screams bet-fold, I think it could easily indicate a strong hand like TPTK. No way if I was villain I could eliminate that from his range. I would also raise here as villain, but this video has some great perspective. Villain is repping a huge hand that crushes TPTK (and pretty much anything else TBF), so does make the lay down a bit too easy for hero. That said I dont think I could just call here, so maybe min raise? Gives hero a great price to continue and allows for bigger bets turn and river. Really not sure what is optimal for Villain here, definitely one for the solver. Not too important for me though as I'm folding to hero's 3-bet pre-flop!

[@ThePokerBank]

Given a deeper SPR, I 100% agree.

[@hairycanary5912]

@@IAMMARTICUS1470 ha, and i'm folding AJ off in the SB versus an utg preflop raise every time.

[@brandondorsey7204]

I agree with your assessment that calling a 3 bet with pocket 7s is a huge leak UTG. I disagree with you in regards to raising. If the graphics were accurate and you bet $33 into $168, then UTG absolutely should be raising middle set a lot of the time vs that sizing in a multi way pot. Your c bet was less than 20% pot. With obvious draws available, and not blocking over pairs and top pair, villain should definitely raise your chest imo. Heads up and holding a diamond, yes, villain should just flat. Your analysis focused just on you being able to make that fold and does not factor in the EV of getting calls from draws plus the opponents who wouldn't fold over pairs. We can just agree to disagree on your analysis of mistake #2

[@Its__Good]

I kind of agree. You are setting a price for people to draw on a connected board. Maybe use a smaller size.

[@ThePokerBank]

Given the SPR, the draws are coming along whether 77 calls or raises. But say the BTN has KJ or JT - does a raise from the TAG get them to fold or continue? How many realistic combos of flush draws are present on this board? How does that combo count compare to the plethora of single pair hands that will 100% give the small bet action but rarely give the raise action?

[@brandondorsey7204]

@@ThePokerBank I think that you made my point by saying that the flush draws are coming along either way. Raising ultimately results in a higher EV. UTG is maximizing value by raising bottom and middle sets because he is getting more money into the pot from draws. Whether top pair mid to weak kicker calls is inconsequential imo, because there are going to be so few combos of those in a three bet pot in a 1/2 or 1/3 game that if you're using that as your determining factor in why UTG should flat, then we disagree about the number of combos of top pair are even available in that spot with the average 1/2 player pool. We can agree to disagree.

[@Niko-et4yz]

@@brandondorsey7204 i think there are a fair amount of top pairs available given the 4 way action and it being 1/2 live. offsuit broadways are definitely in range. but do we think they are folding after making it past preflop? hard to say imo. my guess would be no they arent folding because what else were they hoping for by calling preflop? so all in all raising definitely maxes value if players arent folding top pair. but thats "if." i do agree @the poker bank was being a little results oriented comparing himself to the average 1/2 live rec.

[@damingalam8809]

So what is a valid raising range for the villain in this case? I mean I should be raising my combo draws as well right?

[@djh9477]

How about the TAG protecting the set? This board is quite wet with a potential flush draw as well as a potential open ended straight draw. If he picks up the pot at that point it's a pretty substantial win for set mining (although I agree that he shouldn't have called your pre-flop re-raise in the first place). Shouldn't protecting that set come into consideration then?

[@bh4462]

Yeah TAG's raise makes total sense with two diamonds, 7-6, and 3 opponents. A raise of $33 is practically a check, so just calling makes no sense when you have middle set on that board with that many opponents.

[@captzachevil]

Leak 1 I agree with. Flatting with 7s in a situation where you're inviting multiple calls behind is a massive mistake when 7s won't play well multiway in most situations post flop. As someone who is good at projecting a TAG image this is a spot I would consider and likely end up re-raising the squeeze. (Being specifically aware of your own aggression factor.) Regarding leak 2... I don't think raising that flop with a set 4 ways with a wet connected board is a mistake. It would be if he was heads up vs you representing TPTK but that wasn't the situation that you guys were in. He has to consider the other players in the pot too and can't allow cheap drawing.

[@ryanh2691]

I feel like a big leak of mine is is playing flops where I have middle pair/top kicker on the flop, or having a pocket pair when one Broadway/over card hits. Thanks for the great content, Split!

[@ThePokerBank]

You're very welcome Ryan!

[@FosterFox5]

I think that the main mistake that villain made here is the construction of your range and what you would squeeze with. I believe that if Villain assumes that you play like he does. He likely has very few bluffs in his own squeezing range from the SB and likely very few bluffs on that flop. Therefore, you would never have AJo in your squeezing range and that it only can contain QQ+ and AKd given that you bet the flop (albeit small) into 4 other players. So given those assumptions, his raise is to get your stack and your stack only and to not have anyone else drawing. I'm not saying that Villain's assumptions are good and correct, but the flop raise is more than likely based on THAT assumption rather than what you know about you did. I still agree that mistake number 1 is to call with 77 with so little behind pre-flop but also what did the rest of the field call with??? I do wonder how the rest of the hand plays out if Villain had folded. Would other 1-2 players have enough equity to continue with your small flop bet and would they have assumed that AJo was in your squeezing range?

[@ThePokerBank]

I suspect you're correct that there is some projection going on wrt the TAG assigning my squeezing range

[@joshuastringer9388]

QQ+ is the same as AJ though

[@MiamiConfusion]

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[@ThePokerBank]

If you've already purchased non-pro in the past, the upgrade to pro is totally free =)

[@MiamiConfusion]

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[@StreetSoulLover]

Although you are correct from a theoretical standpoint, this is 1/2, where fast playing prints against the average 1/2 player who will NEVER let go of AJ/KJ/QJ here because they think they have the nuts. I don't think this is a mistake per se but I do think against a proficient player like yourself, he should be flatting.

[@AlphaLackey]

Not to mention diamond draws and 98 won't fold. "You let your opponent play perfectly" is a big assumption at 1/2, and if you're counting on 1/2 players to play perfectly, this might not be that good a game :P

[@ThePokerBank]

The TAG knew who I was fwiw 🙂

[@Ghostontherun]

Question how do you put partial ranges into equilab

[@ThePokerBank]

It's not perfect, but when building a range in Equilab, hit the "suit selection" button, then select the hands you want to have partial combos of, and then choose a single suit (like a spade), and then OK. This will include half of the combos for the hands selected.

[@Ghostontherun]

@@ThePokerBank thank you

[@shanebybee4135]

100% agree on your 2nd leak. 1st leak however? What if he calls, flops the set, and then calls you on the flop instead of the raise? What would your move have been on the turn?

[@HighArchingCrests]

If villain bets again on turn, maybe we hate life but probably defend for one more street depending on action behind us. A lot of scary turn cards but youre gonna have to apply a lot of pressure to get me to fold AJ on turn here

[@ThePokerBank]

It's not that calling 77 there won't make money sometimes, it's that 77 doesn't make enough money often enough to make the preflop call profitable.

[@Th3Freek]

Plot twist….Leak #1 is 3betting a TAG EP villain too wide from the small blind…AJo should not be in our squeeze range here. AQo is the worst offsuit Ace we should have.

[@ThePokerBank]

Where are you getting that AQo is the worst AXo hand to squeeze with there?

[@qwertz12345654321]

@@ThePokerBank that's common knowledge backed up by every available prelflop chart from both solvers or humans

[@toniweigl9783]

I‘m wondering about the „PotSize before calling“ being only the pot right away and our calling size being our whole stack. Doesn‘t that influence the equation negatively? Because we would win more, the pot should be bigger

[@ThePokerBank]

It would. But we started the street with $250 effective, and after my $33 bet, the effective remaining is $217 =)

[@TFGoose]

Legit question here, isn’t there something to be said for the 7s raising the flop to deny the two players behind an opportunity to call correctly on such a wet board?

[@ThePokerBank]

For sure, and given a deeper SPR, the raise would make more sense

[@talksomenoise7423]

What would you be denying an opportunity to call that would beat you? Back door draw is really the only thing you are folding out and why would you want to fold out a back door draw? You will realize more profit from allowing weaker hands to continue than you will by trying to chase out draws that aren't going anywhere. In deeper stacked games I regularly target these spots for bluffs when I have air. If I know someone is concerned with a flush getting there and I have 1 card containing that suit I call that raise and bomb if the flush card comes. It works most of the time. The real skill set in this situation is realizing the flush is possible and continuing as if your opponent has top pair. If the flush card or straight card comes then you change what you are doing based on whether a flush or straight is in your opponents range. So the benefit is you get more value from hands that don't beat you, there are many more of these hands possible, and it gives you the opportunity to keep from getting stacked by hands that get there. The only downside is you don't get a double up from draws that don't get there. So if you look at it objectively it is far more profitable to get some value from missed draws and fold out the set if your opponent gets there then it is to try and get it all in every time you think your opponent could be on a draw because you fold out more value from 1 pair type hands. Look at it this way, when you go all in the only hands that should call is really strong hands such as combo draws and sets. I know it seems like someone flops a combo draw on every flop but it is much less likely that someone has a combo draw than it is someone having 1pair, 2 pair, 1 pair with a back door, 2 over cards, or just a back door draw all of which you can get some value from.

[@MadWXChasing]

Great video as always! I totally agree with your flop fold vs the raise in this hand; you’ve raised preflop, c-bet into 3 people on the flop, and gotten raised by the player next-to-act with two players behind…he has to be super strong. However, if we were in TAG’s spot here with 77, and instead of you as the PFR/c-bettor, it’s a typical $1/2 player who can’t really fold top pair, wouldn’t fast-playing be a good play? Of course, TAG’s raise isn’t going to work against you because you can get away from top pair, but I don’t think most $1/2 players would be able to fold AJ here, which TAG can exploit. I would be inclined to pile more money in the pot against a typical $1/2 player if I were in TAG’s spot here. Thanks for your input!

[@conorm2524]

Do you think the Villain was worried about a flush draw making it on the next streets? So he bet big on the flop and was happy to take it from there?

[@ThePokerBank]

Cheers!

[@modeob88]

Why you are not saying anything about all the draws between 67 and 7J and FD and two villains behind, pretty dangerous spot for slow playing, im not a live player, but i think i dont wanna give cheap cards to 3 villains.

[@ThePokerBank]

One of the villain's is short stacked, so not much of an issue there. But given the SPR, the draws are likely to commit vs. any raise anyway - the exception being gutshots that flatting gives a great price. However, compared to the rest of second-best hands that would gladly call 77's call, but won't give a raise action, flatting should rate to be more lucrative.

[@idopeer5963]

He can also have 4 combos of 89s, 2 combos of 67s and tons of flush draws. In reality most of the time in live poker won't have the 89s combos, if they know you are overfolding this spot they can exploit you with those nonsense raises. Those raises are for sure not gto approved but the ev difference isn't that huge if he constracts his range correctly

[@ThePokerBank]

A live OMC-type? They almost never have full SC combos from UTG imo.

[@Niko-et4yz]

Love the content. Thank you James. I do however think mistake number 1 is much bigger and more worth labeling as a leak. number 2 really can go either way and its pretty difficult to prove one or the other. And for the record im not trying to defend my own strategy here. I personally would flat the flop too

[@ThePokerBank]

Cheers Niko!

[@jetto__421]

arent we ever worried about flush draws here tho? in Multiway pot do we not want to take this pot down james?

[@ThePokerBank]

It's an auto-commit SPR, flush draws are getting involved either way.

[@tomsovich2877]

Split, would you please help us understand why you C-bet less than 1/2 pot with all of the straight and flush texture in a multiway pot? I feel like I am missing something really important here.

[@ThePokerBank]

Hey Tom. It's a small SPR pot, so we're committing vs. all big draws anyway. The bigger bet is less likely to create a mistake-rich environment for our opponents, while the small bet creates so much extra value overall. Plus, if you want to induce bluff raises from your opponents, the small bet is the only real way to do it imo =)

[@tomsovich2877]

Got it. Thanks

[@tomsovich2877]

If all players had large stacks and therefore a very large SPR, in games where I see guys go to the flop with any two suited cards, does the math still support a flat call from the set?

[@steveross6312]

What is the source for your reasoning for not smooth calling a 3b in position with 77? How is the TAG with 77 viewing you? From a GTO perspective, we call the 3b about 40% of the time with 77.

[@ThePokerBank]

Based upon whose solve?

[@hymnofashes]

I think it's fine for him to raise the sevens. If you are a standard 2/5 donk, you will not fold your overpair, and an overpair is probably what you have when you 3-bet out of the SB. If flush draw comes, then you would get scared and possibly not pay! Or maybe you have the flush draw and then he hates himself for paying you off on the turn due to entitlement tilt! He should be bluff-raising some straight and flush draws here as well as air at some frequency, but he doesn't have to just flat middle set on the flop. In my opinion.

[@martinpier2073]

As always - tons of information. Thx James.

[@ThePokerBank]

You're very welcome Martin!

[@conephompany]

first video i have many disagreements on. i think the 3b from the sb with ajo is way too wide and optimistic. any flats are probably going to have you dominated. i do not like bloating pots with marginal hands oop. furthermore i like the jam with 77. noting stack sizes, he could get action from all flush draws, oesds, and possibly overpairs. he can also make this play with AXdd or any diamonds. there are two cold calling bananas behind them holding any two.

[@ThePokerBank]

So there is a big contradiction in your comment. You first said, "any flats are probably going to have you [AJo] dominated." But then later say "there are two cold calling bananas behind them holding any two." Which is it?

[@conephompany]

@@ThePokerBank i'm not sure it is a contradiction. Surely a range can contain both strong and weak holdings, and your're against different ranges in different spots. the utg's utgopen/ 3b call range could be ahead of ajo. At these stakes, flatting twice, I feel their ranges include both strong hands unwilling to 3b / 4b and also includes suited gappers and the like with an inability to dead what they've put in. You may dominate the bottom ranges but you're still oop and need to get thru 3 opponents. Regardless of the read you have on utg, you're still iso'ing against his utg open range and 2 cold callers with AJo. It's optimistic to expect two folds and I think you're just guessing whether utg will fold , flat or pray he doesn't 4b. Getting flatted in 3 spots oop with ajo in a 3bp is super gross. How good do you even feel when u flop top pair with ace or j? I let this go pre or just flat sb and play from there. if you were btn, it's another story.

[@conephompany]

i gave him a wide utg open / call 3b range and it's flipping against ajo. i just think that hand is trash and plays poorly oop against that range in this spot.

[@johnhutcherson6063]

Apart from what has already been said, flatting such a small bet with two to act allows both of them to play perfectly as well - they can call behind getting massive pot and implied odds with any draw, and half the deck is going to complete a draw on the turn. Given you (James) can also have an Ax flush draw (eg AQdd) , so flatting allows up to 3 draws to play perfectly against us.

[@ThePokerBank]

Draws are going to play well regardless of whether 77 flats or raises given the SPR - the real value comes from the other parts of villain's ranges

[@michaelholland7738]

@@ThePokerBank your logic fails to price out mediocre draws like gutshots and low flush draws. You want heads up so you don't have to fade the entire deck. SPR has less to do with winning this pot than pricing out weaker draws.

[@talksomenoise7423]

@@michaelholland7738 your logic doesn't take into account the preflop action, ranges, and the board. Not sure how you would have to fade the entire deck on this board. With trip 7's you have to look at the board and see what concerns you. Obviously the flush draw pops out first which any of the 3 can have. So which draws are you chasing out that you don't want to fade? 2 pair? an over pair that could make a set? a back door straight draw? pocket 6's that could make quads? You are looking at winning pots versus making value with premium hands.

[@michaelholland7738]

@@talksomenoise7423 I'm pricing out gut shot straights and low flush draws. How many combos of gutshots and flush draws are possible. A boatload. 3 of a kind should push out as many of these hands as possible or at LEAST get value from them. Why give draws a great price? That's losing poker and you will rarely see top pros flat with a set on that board 4 handed. That is losing poker.

[@michaelholland7738]

@@talksomenoise7423 also you lose value when you don't charge draws. Heads up, totally different dynamics. 4 handed and you are flatting on a flush and straight draw board!? Folding top pair to resistance also makes you VERY exploitable.

[@paulpena5040]

I don't agree that calling a 3 bet with 77s is too loose. Even the tight-ish GTO solver agrees that calling or folding are equally valid in this spot. You are not purely set mining with 77s. However everything else he said is spot on.

[@thierryfallingstar]

thx fo your video. a great job

[@ThePokerBank]

You're very welcome!

[@tom-qj6uw]

I agree with leak #1. I disagree with leak #2, and here's why: This is a draw-heavy board and you need to protect against these draws. In the games I play the raise means JX, YdXd, 98, 76, 54 ... and your 77 is very well-hidden in here. Yes, you'll fold out the CB with the naked AK/AQ but AJ has plenty of motivation to continue here. Without the diamond-draw (heads-up) this is just a call, sure.

[@Its__Good]

Would you agree James that defending with 7s UTG is ok if there were no callers, and SB had used a lower bet size? (edited)

[@adampryor9964]

If he made it $30 it's a clear as day call in live poker imo. In 6 max online cash it's a clear call (and live you want to be way looser than the online charts), so unless you know they're 3betting super tight, it's a pretty profitable call... otherwise if you're folding 77 all day you just end up folding way too much.

[@ThePokerBank]

Are you asking if I would 3bet (not squeeze) AJ from the SB vs. an UTG open? If that is the question, I would not do that against this player.

[@Its__Good]

@@ThePokerBank Sorry - i made a typo in the comment and couldn't correct it on my phone. I meant - you're not suggesting that it's bad to defend a reasonable sized 3-bet with 7s if you're closing action?

[@Its__Good]

@@adampryor9964 Would you defend with 7s with two limpers behind? One of them could be getting tricky and it's a disaster if they 4-bet.

[@ReedP]

@@Its__Good not Adam, but it depends... if you know one of them likes to back-jam a lot with strong hands, you might fold to the $30 squeeze, but like Adam said, in most situations $30 re-raise here is a mandatory call w/ 77. While it may be true $40 is kinda at the point where you want to be folding, I don't think it's THAT big of a mistake. I stopped watching after they raised to 108 and that play was criticized too... this was sounding like a bad beat story (raising to 108 there seems fine to me as well).

[@qwertz12345654321]

Raise your sets on the flop is something that is almost always a good advice. The only exemption would be top set heads-up. Multiway on a wet board with just middle set it would be ridiculous to not raise for value and protection. Any turn or river is bad in a multiway Situation with such a wet connected board

[@tadochov]

protection from what exactly in this situation? ok, say anyone had some super strong draw, but the stacks are going in anyway, so you dont need to protect yourself from anything anyway and there is not need to get as much as possible on the flop. also any turn doesnt stop us from getting it in. you dont need protection in these very low spr pots, you need to figure out how to get it in on really any single street, and you can wait for it. you can say that when you are on the flop and get it in vs a draw, you are in a very good shape, while getting it in on the bad turn when the opponent has the flush means you got it in in a bad shape, but the result will always be the same, meaning you will lose. I am very much pro raising when SPR is high and you actually need to make players with draws pay for the next card, but this is not the case.

[@qwertz12345654321]

@@tadochov it's still called a protection bet even though it's not really protecting against much, since there are two opponents it's likely one of them will have a draw. It's more about getting max value from draws. You say the money is going in anyway but that's simply not true. a portion of draws will fold to brick turns.

[@tadochov]

@@qwertz12345654321 well, them folding draws on brick turns is a bad thing for you? yes you getting max value is whats this is about, and I agree than when deep, you basically alway want to bet or raise sets on wet boards when possible, but in this situation? I dont think it is that clear cut and calling makes a lot of sense. I would raise basically if the opponents were aggro whales, but I dont have that information. obv James made a great laydown and that would not happen in small stakes live CG, and ppl not folding is a great argument for raising, but still, overall I am for simply calling and letting ppl hang themselves, as protection against draws is just not important, because A, ppl dont have that many draws, B, spr is so low that I just dont care about draws anyway. getting it in is actually correct for strong draws, so why let them?

[@qwertz12345654321]

@@tadochov its debatable when headsup. then its probably a mix. but multiway there really is no discussion

[@andremicheaux4863]

Most misused phrase in poker: "they just don't have enough bluffs here".

[@ThePokerBank]

Yes and no.

[@danielhurst8863]

Even 1/2 players will semi bluff raise that flop with any combo draw, like 98, T9 diamonds, even 56, and almost any higher flush draw, plus JJ, 77, 66. I've seen 88 here a ton as a check raise as well. Folding Top Top to the single raise, when you don't have a diamond in your hand, is easily exploitable. If you have a table where that board is not often bluffed, you've found a pretty weak table. Yes, he's betting into two more players, but EP2 doesn't count because of stack size, but most of the semi-bluffs you see here don't care if the pots goes multiway. If I had 77 there, I'd only call about 70% of the time, because I hold the 7 of diamonds, and I'd raise the remaining time, I'd raise more often without the 7d. In fact, I've had people stack off many times when I've raised in this spot, because often lower stacks players slow play too much, and they don't expect a set to raise. Not that many people at 1/2 really think about what their opponent thinks they have.

[@synchronium24]

"Folding Top Top to the single raise, when you don't have a diamond in your hand, is easily exploitable." It certainly would be in a heads up pot. In a 4 way pot, I don't have a strong intuition either way. "I'd raise more often without the 7d." Sounds right. You unblock diamond draws that your opponents can continue with against your raise. I would also generally think that a hand without a diamond needs more protection, but that seems less important with only a medium diamond. If two more diamonds do come in, our flush would only be a bluffcatcher.

[@ThePokerBank]

I agree with you overall Daniel, but this was not the kind of player to raise combo draws (or other air) imo. Against most players though, I'm not even close to folding TPTK =)

[@harrycardillo8671]

With a flush draw on the board I don't mind the raise with 77. And I also think if you fold this spot to a raise on the flop with top pair top kicker, you are too easily exploited.

[@ThePokerBank]

Folding vs. this flop raise is an exception, for sure.

[@Robert02024]

first leak I agree 100%. Not so much on the second. You need a very specific read to fold vs a flop raise. I would also fold against a very lose passive opponent but from a theoretical point of view I think about the entire range I would raise here. This flop is incredibly dynamic and there are a ton of cards that will freeze the action: any 5, any 8, any diamond will bring in draws. Especially if I suspect hero could be willing to fold a hand as strong as AJ, I will start raising hard all my draws and just print money, On the other hand, just because many turns could change radically the hand dynamic I want to pile money into the pot now, I don't think slow playing here is such a good idea. Obviously just my opinion but I think there is a logic behind it. The 'play perfect' idea for me only applies against a very specific opponent. This said, I also agree that in small stakes live games these players are easy to find and are our main source of income, but you have more skilled players too

[@masstransitrecords7865]

I mean you have a set at 2 spr how bad does the board need to get to fold

[@Robert02024]

@@masstransitrecords7865 that's not about folding, if a flush or straight card completing card drops on the turn it's going to be really hard for me to extract any more value from the pot without isolating myself against better hands. I want to build the pot now

[@michaelholland7738]

You aren't heads up with the TAG. Noway any player should be flatting any bet multiway on a draw heavy board with a good hand. Flush draws and straight draws as well as the off chance you are against a set of 6s will call building a pot. Top pair shouldn't be folding to a raise most of the time either with possible combo draws semibluffing. My personal opinion is its terrible advice to tell some1 with a set to flat out of position multiway on a draw heavy board. The only money you will be losing will be to players trying to hit their draws for a cheap price.

[@ThePokerBank]

If the SPR were deeper, I certainly agree with you Michael.

[@michaelholland7738]

@@ThePokerBank shouldn't you be trying to build a pot against draws and top pair? Why would you ever give draws a great price to beat you? That's how you lose hands brother.

[@joegillum]

No offense, but I aggree with the 77's here. You squeezed with AJoff from the SB? That is a leak. Putting you into a first to act crappy spot where you need to Cbet a fair to midland hand agaist 3 opponents. The 77's calls because in the exploitative realm, he could stack you even if you had AA - in fact, he probably wants to call hands that play face up like that for that stacking opportunity. In the end he was proven right, I know, results bias, but he risked not that much more for a 4 way large pot potential with a stacking hand. Not perfect but I get that way more than I get the AJoff SB squeeze.

[@curtisking6271]

Wrong

[@ThePokerBank]

How often will 77 flop a set? How much of 77's stack is being risked to try and flop that set? Does that look to be +EV long term?

[@johnmalott5499]

For anyone confused what TAG means it means tight aggressive. Don't know why people use this abbreviation. Saying tight aggressive takes just as long

[@synchronium24]

"Saying tight aggressive takes just as long" No it doesn't, especially when used repeatedly. Yes, abbreviations come at the cost that not everyone will understand them.

[@ekw555]

you can say 4 syllables as quickly as you say 1 syllable ? that's a super power right there.

[@you1tube0000]

As I listened to the video I wondered - if James thinks this guy was playing too loose by calling the raise pre-flop with too much of his range, why is he characterizing villain as “tight”?

[@johnmalott5499]

@@ekw555 you actually made me time it and it takes me 2x longer🤣

[@ekw555]

@@you1tube0000 I think he is calling it a "loose call" based on the amount the villain called compared to stack depths. the implied odds really weren't there to set mine.

[@joypinturra6151]

Raising here is ok because of the flush draw.

[@prestonstudley1012]

Mans is pulling out charts

[@Connordh10]

Youre missing an entire part of your 3 betting range here. So many hands with diamonds have flush draws and gutters, you could have KQ king of diamonds, plenty of stuff he wants to deny equity and raise flop

[@tomsovich2877]

The pot was still 4 way on the flop. The hero could have easily seen your 25 percent C-bet as a blocking bet. Even if you were not on a draw, a flat call with two more players to act gives great odds to the other two donkeys hoping to draw out. Don’t you really need to run your analysis based on 4 callers since your c-bet size mandates that all 4 players continue?

[@MistaJones89]

Good to know! I think I likely would have done exactly what this person did, re-raise the flop in their position, allowing other people to play too perfectly against me. Funny little story - I drove out to Orange city to play some poker with my girlfriend last Saturday, they scan my girlfriend's ID and then they scan mine and tell me that I'm banned. I was like wha?? I laughed because I knew it was a mistake. They took my ID to the back and then 3 or 4 guys walk out to talk to me to tell me I was banned for an incident that happened in Daytona on December 12th. Impossible. I haven't been to Daytona since around 2014-2015. Once they opened the poker room in Orange City I only go there because it's about 15-20 minutes closer to me and I find that the action is better. So I made the drive all the way out there just to be told I can't play because someone screwed up in Daytona and somehow selected me in the system to ban xD. It was only a 30 day ban so I should be good to play now. They gave me the card for the security manager, Ray, but he hasn't given me a call back to clear things up and remove the ban from my "record" if there is one.

[@ThePokerBank]

That is bizarre - sorry to hear about that goofup!

[@milolll]

So that's why some will push all-in with only a 7.

[@ThePokerBank]

Possibly.

[@georgeantonakos9256]

He’s almost never got AA or KK here or even AK or QQ. Those hands are 4 betting your squeeze pre. Not sure those calculations are accurate when you factor this in.

[@ThePokerBank]

I agree for online play, but not for a live OMC-type

[@justinbigras3852]

This video seems a bit whiny, like you lost 73$ in this hand on what's basically a flip pre flop.. slow playing a big hand is great but with 2 diamonds, 2 to a straight and an over card on the board opponents have a ton of outs.. he didn't have the nuts in this case.. denying equity is a fair play in poker.. and making people pay to see another card is a good play when there's a bunch of cards that could be brutal on the turn.. you simply got outplayed and that was a bad flop for your particular hand and range..

[@TurboShred13]

🦹🏻‍♂️🎸

[@gernotg8480]

Hello James. Please help me. Just give me a chance. Please

[@ThePokerBank]

We aren't hiring at the moment unfortunately =(

[@gernotg8480]

@@ThePokerBank i will be homeless soon. Lost my job my family. Everything

[@romanbrugman4903]

Nobody likes beggars

[@gernotg8480]

@@romanbrugman4903 i know but i am in trouble

[@Mathemagical55]

@@gernotg8480 Move up to where they respect your raises.