20 Black Orcs

[@hoganshairline4175]

Need a "rating your crapstack" series using upkeep cost as one of the factors into scoring

[@AGenericFool]

Genius idea

[@indrickboreale7381]

Sniff sniff, Skaven Slaves Slingers best things ever!

[@sagichnicht6290]

LegendofTotalwar Kind of coveres that Point with his new Rating-System

[@shinzed2500]

That is a fabbo idea.

[@etuanno]

Nurgling crapstack with papa Ku'gath is probably one of the strongest crapstacks. Beastmen mage lord with 19 Ungor raiders. 0 Upkeep and no unit cap on the raiders.

[@svenbrede6151]

The enemy doesn't like shooting single entities, however it's a different story with a single entity blob

[@Moritz19081980]

I honestly doubt the TW ai is that sophisticated..^^

[@etuanno]

They like shooting mages on chariots through. Wargors on chariots, not so much. To be fair the latter has over 100 armor.

[@Alpharius2479]

i wonder if you have 19 single entities and one giant creature, then you charge with 19 single entities would the enemy even shoot?

[@Adierit]

@@Alpharius2479 Yes, happens all the time when playing as Festus. Which is extra funny because his entire army can get high missile resistance.

[@Alpharius2479]

@@Adierit the enemy does shoot the single entities then? that's disappointing

[@qasemsoleimani9443]

That rate my doomstack video about the immortal orcs is my all-time favourite. Absolutely hilarious.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

ARGH! I was literally playing a campaign to send this in! Was trying to get them all Tough and Strong, as the armour levels are ridiculous

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

If you are going to make a doomstack with grimgor and black orcs, just keep a black orc unit with "Da immortulz" banner and it can solo the entire enemy army with 0 losses

[@EdinLG]

Until the game decides to have a hiccup and executes one of the bugs that cause models in "immortal" units to die even thought they shouldn't.

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

@@EdinLG yes. The unit bugs whenever they are hit by artillery or explosions that fling the unit away. But they aren't considered dead.

[@ratbag6164]

you need to have 18 heros with them with the confidant trait to give the 300 leadership..the banner wont work if their leadership is under 50%

[@EdinLG]

@@ratbag6164 I am well aware, but it's the same for slayer units in Ungrim Ironfist's army as it is for black orcs with the "Da Immortulz"-banner, the game sometimes just decides to not give a single shit about any active effects/abilities that render your unit's models immortal; it kills them anyway. Not much else qualifies for that "Da Immortulz"d black orc unit with 202/218 leadership (i.e. far above 50%), or that slayer unit with 90% HP left (far above 75% which is where the Journey's End passive normally turns off), suddenly losing a model or 5.

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

@@ratbag6164 each hero has an aura of leadership as well. If you keep them close you don't need confident trait. You can corner camp with the heroes behind the black orcs. Just be careful with artillery.

[@rokasramanauskas5100]

One way to improve the current new rating system could be to assign a number from 1-5 such as 4 for practicality for example then create a score out of 15 for the total, makes the rating more clear in the end whilst still considering the varying factors when rating

[@darkthane6956]

We need to admit that all love numbers. So.. Pure strenght: 8/10 Yes, they very strong, but they not imune to damage, and they cant heal, we saw doomstacks much stronger and durable Practicality: 4/5 It's not difficult to get this doomstack, but still need some effort and of course some items on characters, also its cheap and no need of trait farming Easy to use: 5/5 Very easy, just charge and keep them together, only thing you might need to do its use heal potions, even the attack buff can be ignored Total rating: 17/20 which very impressive Why not 10 for everything? Because strenght of a doomstack is the main index and should be evaluated more, no point of weak doomstacks and give them high numbers for practicality and complexity of use.

[@Erika_Redmark]

It’s crumpin time ladz!

[@viktorkovacs5873]

Phoenixes' and dragon princes' flame resistance was reduced to 40% in game 3 :(

[@Bubbl3Bubbl3gum]

Even the Flamespyre Phoenix?

[@viktorkovacs5873]

@@Bubbl3Bubbl3gum yea as well as Imrik and Teclis

[@IAmAlpharius14]

Despite being only 20% of the orc population black orcs do 60% of the krumpin'

[@traingoesbrr26]

Legend, in WH3, Greenskins have higher income than most factions. I wouldn't call the income unusual. They really did buff Greenskin economy to the moon.

[@torquevonthorne948]

Grimgor: I don't need a army. I just need twenty good boyz. Nooo Legend you didn't unequipped the banner or eternal flames

[@ryrymartinez1]

Loving the idea of having people in the comments rate it on a number scale against you're new way of rating these stacks, great vid as always!

[@whzpoor]

I think having your army rated as "brainless" by Legend is muuch more gratifying than a bland "9.5/10".

[@Kilen_BE]

Feels a bit of overkill to use full black ork doomstack. I wanted to do too in my campaign, finally I just chose to spread them (3to5 in each) in different armies with strong melee units involved. Against EGC, it’s even possible in one turn with this doomstack to endure something like 5or6 stacks in different battles if it’s on your term with the new stuff in wh3 to switch on/off the mount and immediately gets the health back, and then put them back one time in the army, even here to put them back on foot next ofc. Managed correctly with multiple heal potions as well, you can probably get rid of 5-6 EGC “good” armies and still be back to full health after the replenishment of the end game after killing them all… strong indeed… Gooda’ Smasha’ Boiiz ! Lol

[@what3verfloatsurgoat391]

“Absolutely brainless” now that’s my kind of doomstack

[@ReaperOfSaltyTears]

Can confirm it does not hold up against 4 full stacks of end game vamps. Got absolutely wrecked.

[@Berbasecks]

I planned on doing a Greenskins campaign after I'm done with my current Lizardmen campaign. Now I'm convinced :D. What would I lose by going with Grom's faction (it's the strongest afaik)?

[@itinerantspark1658]

Not too much. Bonus with grimgor is he gives you increased capacity for BOBs, higher recruit rank, and you can just recruit them anywhere no building required. Grom you would need to spam the orc buildings to get your capacity going and recruit them but then you also have access to groms cauldron abilities which is a massive bonus in itself. Grimgor is just more thematic really.

[@Berbasecks]

@@itinerantspark1658 well obviously I am planning on confederating Grimgor and making this stack with him. I think the cauldron outweighs the rank and capacity gain :)

[@Exonarium]

You'd lose having the biggest and baddest orc there is as your faction leader. Seriously though, the difference would probably rather small and wouldn't make this stack impossible or similar, -15% phys res from "da biggest scalies" trophy and that's about it I'd think.

[@churlishgrin2945]

Grom from what I know is better for gobbo stacks I think?

[@arantir4150]

If you don't want to do number ratings anymore, I think the system could be improved with a radar chart with things like practicallity, upkeep cost, ease of use, strength in battle, strength in auto resolve etc. It's not a hard number but in the end you'd be able to tell at a glance how good a stack is and if it has obvious weaknesses

[@MateoLemes]

Too much effort for Legend's patience I'd guess

[@alexmsophos]

I think a chart like that would just create arguments like he's saying it is specifically 'this' practical compared to another stack, which seems to be the entire impetus behind removing the numerical system in the first place.

[@minhqun]

Is "Da Immortulz" doomstack still viable in Wh3? If so then they're more powerful than this doomstack

[@indrickboreale7381]

Gitz too stupid to die

[@Avengedtenfold]

Yes and no. The banner still works as it did and the BOBB still help them to not fall below leadership BUT there is a bug at the moment where da immortulz still lose models even though it says they aren't. I think someone else said it has to do with explosion or attacks that send them flying but I can't confirm. After the battle they go back to full models but during the battle, they lost a ton of combat effectiveness. I have yet to see if they can full on die but the stack is far less efficient with a single black orc who can't die regardless.

[@Praiokles]

We need a mod battle in which there will spawn one army after another and we can test which doomstack can take on the most.

[@Zayl1016]

While it likely has the survival over it, I wonder how it fairs versus a black orc unit doomstack with Grimgor. More choppas = more damage, plus they benefit from the scrap system.

[@playerioik6101]

when you can take a shit and still win...that's a 10 for me

[@IEnjoyBeingNaked]

11:15 BOB on foot have mostly non-ap damage though unlike when they're on their boars though.

[@Grombrindal]

THUNDERERS! FOCUS YOUR FIRE ON THE BIG ONE

[@cyberiankorninger1025]

My feed confused me as I thought the title was an Okoii video

[@instathrill8845]

I think its dragon princes RoR that get 70%, or is it pheonix guard.... you've got me questioning it now! lmao

[@NRSGuardian]

They have 70% in WH2, but they nerfed HE fire resistance to 40% in WH3.

[@GRIMWOODz]

My kinda doomstack. I was just thinking of making one of these and here we are 💪

[@senshibat8920]

Grim tries his bestest fightiest to show up Grom krumpin pointy ears- WRRRRGH

[@Olav_Hansen]

Personally, I could disagree on the exact number but it wasn't in a blaming way. I personally want you to give 3 numbers (difficulty to obtain, upkeep cost (and disadvantages from obtaining it) and combat strength. It's a lot like your lord rankings "combat strength", "army buffs" and "faction buffs". This army would be a 6 in terms of how obtainable it is a 7 in terms of how costly it is and a 9 in terms of how strong it is. Splitting it in 3 categories can still let you give arbitrary numbers, while still keeping up to people how high the combined score should be.

[@paulmiller996]

This played out exactly as imagined.

[@hanspeter8982]

'Ey get s green outa green! Coz green iz da bezt@

[@nraah4707]

Looks like they took the most amount of damage at the beginning of the fight. Dragons surrounded by elves seemed to do it.

[@Humanhead86]

thank you legend, such a fun video to watch! liked and subscribed! what do you mean by trait farming? how do you do that and which traits are best? do you have a video about that?

[@bearstorm7587]

I believe there's a size cap at which enemies will fire/not fire at single entities depending on their size. Black orks and Grimgor must be large enough that archers will bother shooting them.

[@Pyroksyllin]

why wouldn't they want shooting at singles, if there are not any other targets?

[@bizutable8452]

Grimmgor with his Da immortulz squad

[@ktvindicare]

Grimgor and his 20 'Ard Boyz!

[@lordmaur180]

Im making a campaing, probably will have 3 different doomstacks at the same time, it will be fun 🤣 when ready i will send you legion

[@snowyverrider2095]

I personally rate this stack WAAAGH!!!/10

[@nathanmiles4989]

I rate it a WAAAGH out of WAAAGH!

[@andregon4366]

15:07 8.756??? EURGHHH! That's clearly an 8.759

[@shinzed2500]

Could he have made the Bigbosses have perfect vigour if he took 5 of the vigour reducing specialities from their command line? Or does it only affect regular boyz? Would also make the crimson killaz extra amazing.

[@drazarkabalblade9486]

There is already a "Krimson Killerz" doomstack for Grimgor. Essentialy you fish for "disciplined" and you have a unit that CANNOT die, Legend already made a video. It was for TW 2, but it wasn't patched anyway The Vigor part I think it just works once, it doesn't stack. But honestly, for heroes such as these, vigor while useful isn't vital.

[@Chosen92378]

@@drazarkabalblade9486 Not sure what you mean by "wasn't patched", when it was demonstrated to be working as intended. Is that to say any doomstack should get patched due to abuse of a mechanic that works as intended since that's all that doomstacks are? And unfortunately, the immortalz banner is bugged. It doesn't even work fully as intended like the video demonstrated. Immortalz do "die" to anything that can knock them over which is like 3/4 of the crap in the game so it's not even a true doomstack unfortunately. I wish that was patched and the immortalz were fixed so they REALLY don't die and actually work against artillery, monsters, cav, ect...

[@drazarkabalblade9486]

​@@Chosen92378 The knocking over part is a bug in of itself, it works only when they fall from a great height and, as such, the games considering them "dead", but since the Immortalz aren't supposed to die yet, they get up and still fight, just not commanded by you. The banner of the immortalz also still works, unless it no longer makes sure that models don't die under a certain discipline. That's the only part that truly matters of that banner anyway. That was the "patched" part. Also it isn't the first time that CA "patches" something that they consider too strong, even if it's how it supposed to work.

[@Chosen92378]

@@drazarkabalblade9486 Well, I wouldn't consider falling down on flat ground a great height. The bug was triggered from anything that would knock them over, including normal cavalry charges, monsters, and especially artillery. The bug made them as good as dead. They "could" still fight but they could only stand back up and stay frozen in place and could only attack anything that enters their range. For all intensive purposes, once they were knocked down, they were dead since they will contribute almost nothing to the fight after they get knocked down. It would be better if they maybe just ran around attacking things as if they had rampage but they don't. Anyways, it means they were never truly a doomstack. The immortalz' "doomstack" was only applicable in a situation like where the sender sent his battle to Legend where he was fighting Karaz Karak against the Dwarves where they had nothing to knock them down. Any other doomstack you could get from the greenskins is far more effective, reliable, and much less circumstance specific/niche compared to the immortalz doomstack. Warzag's savage orc or troll stacks, all giant spiders, rogue idols, Grom with nasty skulkers or gobbo archers with double shot, ect... The point is, they were really never strong or reliable enough to be considered an actual doomstack so it's just a nightmare to see them nerfing it worse than it already was. The funny thing is, the bug was reported so many years ago on the TW forums and it never got fixed because CA doing CA things. I haven't got Warhammer 3 yet but I really hope they fix it in 3 so they don't actually die as long as the leadership conditions are met.

[@Chosen92378]

​@@drazarkabalblade9486 I wouldn't call getting knocked over on flat ground a "great height." The bug occurred whenever they were knocked over by cavalry, monsters, and especially artillery. And the entities would only get up and stand frozen in place. They could only attack if an enemy ran by them. In other words, they were as good as dead once they got bugged since they virtually contributed nothing to the fight. It would at least be something if they ran around like they had rampage but no, they were for all intensive purposes dead. It all meant that they were never truly a doomstack since they only worked under very specific conditions like where the sender sent his save file to Legend where he fought Karaz Karak in WH2. The Dwarves had nothing to bug the immortalz and they couldn't bring the leadership down below half so it worked. The greenskins had far more reliable, universal, and consistent doomstacks, such as trolls or savage orcs with Wurzag, arachnids, rogue idolz, gobbo archers with double shot on Grom. It was just never really strong at all so them nerfing it at all seems ridiculous. If anything, I think they should fix the bug that renders the flag completely null and void so they can actually become a real doomstack.

[@dieguy3080]

The way you could rate it is the way others do where you have that S through D tier and putting them up against each other. S being functionally impossible to beat and the rest being how many stacks it could reasonably take out or something to that effect.

[@TheEarlofManwhich]

With V above S for Vilitch

[@JohnnyTightIips]

Black Orc stronk

[@bl4ckhunter351]

I wonder if having an unit of normal black orcs in there would've stopped the AI from shooting at the big bosses

[@Mithguar]

Actually, one banner is enough to reduce enemy healing. If it was on whole army, it would be bad. On one character, it's good utility.

[@SheerSniper7]

Why should we not bring flaming attacks against high elves?

[@futonrevolution7671]

Because it converts all of the damage to fire, and High Elves have a lot of fire resistance.

[@asddasdasdasdadsa]

The question is can they beat 1 Helmut zombie in old Patch?

[@cynicalfox190]

That income seems a bit iffy. At turn 130 with that much per turn and that much in the bank? I am skeptical

[@AGenericFool]

He could have gotten 150k gold from sacking Lothern, you saw that right? What seems iffy here is your game knowledge

[@NiffisWorld]

my skarsnik campaign is at turn 79, 24 armies with over 100k in the bank, obviously less territory and -7k income. Greenskin economy is pretty good especially if you just keep on fighting and raiding as you make so much money from it while goblins are really cheap.

[@freddiemehrcurry428]

I think means the income per Turn of 450k per turn which does not include sacking money. Buildings cannot provide that much Income for Orcs.

[@cynicalfox190]

@@AGenericFool 130k income per turn is nuts. What the hell does 150k from sacking have to do with anything he has over 4mil in the bank and a insane amount of income per turn which doesn’t consider looting. When the hell did the green skins get so much passive money making ability, certainly wasn’t in WH2 Also iffy game knowledge😂 says the one talking about 150k from sacking when he’s got more than 4 mil in the bank and 130k passive income. Really relevant to the conversation

[@JHouston62]

Can units on foot hit more entities per swing than those on a mount?

[@Humanhead86]

I'm going to send this to my friend, who's a huge lord of the rings fan... he won't like that 😅

[@EvilSirCookies]

saw the title and thought i was clicking on an okoii video XD

[@burgertime6372]

I used an army like this about a year ago and I remember it wasnt that great during sieges

[@shiizzux5438]

Rate : 8.7 doomstack Practicality : medium+ (3.5/5) Strengh : strong+ (4.5/5) Ease of use : extremely easy (5/5)

[@ashesofaranea]

Really Hope they add a decent amount more skills to heroes, i'm worried they gonna add the bare minimum and you gonna just dumping your points in the blue line most of the campaign

[@manopeace9175]

The numbers... what do they mean?

[@123tobealive]

Trying to put the rating into numbers… Practicability: 5/10 Strength: 10/10 Usability: 10/10 ________________ 25/30

[@VashTS7]

Are the archers doing more damage to their melee units?

[@isaacgorski6054]

I love how easy this is to get for grimgor

[@NowioFel]

All i want is a hug

[@luxgardiennedesetoilesincurvee]

Orks orks orks orks orks

[@angelamurao8273]

Imagine bringing an army with dragons and then your enemy brings 20 men and wrecks you so fucking haed

[@jasondoherty7497]

Is the krimson killer stack still possible to make

[@jakesauce9473]

0:36 Ass kicked out...

[@briarblack7437]

This doomstack immediately loses 2 points for not having magic. One for no magic whatsoever and one for not taking advantage of one of the better lores, Lore of Da Big Wagh. It also loses another point for not spamming leadership buffs and making full use of Grimgors Da Immortalz battle banner.

[@Freewata]

Orcs iz da best!!! We'z can handle all the stacks!!!

[@chriscameron7402]

We’z’ll fight fire wiv’ fire, Boss!

[@putinhuiloooo]

Спасибо

[@cliffhanger4945]

20 BLACKORCS OF GRIMGOR

[@danielmosley4104]

Why is it not best to use fire banner against HE?

[@GameDehne]

tons of fire resistance among their units

[@chilicookoff2017]

Hey legend when are you going to solve world hunger

[@roberttitan4497]

If a unit is detrimental to the battle. Why not follow your own advice and not use it? You could have withdrawn or hide the Black orc big boss that had the banner.

[@breslian0996]

Why is the flaming banner bad?

[@Q3hero]

this is obvs 10/10

[@NowioFel]

Orkses the bestestest warriors

[@VampireGranny]

New ratin sistum good All elves r gitz

[@Ax_Dj0]

Banner of Eternal flame again

[@j0hncarp]

i thought this was an okoii video

[@bovinehamster]

Orks iz da best :D

[@harismeld9411]

Orc pog orc pog

[@r3dhawk3]

2700 vs 20 and wins insane lol

[@rollye4857]

Minneapolis 2020

[@sergeavgust3825]

We want numbers!!!

[@Valentine_Mehin]

03:24 hurtbox* :)

[@hesthatguy]

I give it a 4/20

[@languidspider5252]

Urgh, Legend said "very, very strong", that's 2 veries, it's only 1.75 veries strong!!! Legend, U so bad at this!!! Sorry mate, couldn't help it. Like the new rating system. 😄

[@lcdcstudios]

Actually its 8.757

[@FRANKYFNKY]

Clearly 8.756

[@neelkanthgarg8670]

hey legend when are you going to start streaming again

[@LegendofTotalWar]

streamed yesterday

[@triplehernan5155]

@@LegendofTotalWar that's ages

[@neelkanthgarg8670]

@@LegendofTotalWar sorry I didn't get suggested for a bit. I thought you hadn't streamed since imrik. my bad. cheers

[@eldeebcampeador]

That was fucking crazy! CRAZY!

[@scottycheesecake]

20 Big Black Orks gang up on Elf lady

[@seneca4134]

Surprised you didn't talk shit about grimgor being slow

[@bar_jumper1312]

8.756

[@DestinationZanarkand]

Howdy

[@Baleur]

I still think these 1 entity stacks are so dumb beyond belief. Overall i love the game and what it has become, but this is just still so dumb. 19 orcs killing 5k troops, even if they were elite troops. And i know in Warhammer lore (especially 40k), there's tons of references to 1 big guy absolutely annihilating whole armies. But it still just feels so freaking dumb in this game. A game about raising armies, and you have 19 guys with heavy axes and nothing else take out an entire empire. There should be some sort of armor or health regen diminishing buff or cap so that single entities cant snowball like this. For example so when you're at 50% health regen via stacked buffs, each % further starts to be worth less. So if you're at 50% regen, and you equip a +10% regen item, you only get +6%. And when you're at 56% regen and you equip another +10% regen item, you only get 3% Same with Ward Save / Phys resistance etc (well, some SHOULD have almost max phys resistance, like cairn wraiths, but then that should diminish their other resistances) It makes zero game balance sense ot just have infinitely stackable buffs to critical stats like this. This is something other games figured out 20 years ago..

[@rancho8537]

I rate it 69

[@AnthonyConstable]

2

[@jasoncook6608]

wait a minute, this isn't satisfactory....

[@skeenerbug601]

8.7? This is clearly no better than an 8.65. Unsubscribed

[@englishvoodoo676]

doomstacks are boring

[@joshuabirch1213]

strong...but how strong?