+20% Discipline, Morale & Horde SHOULD NOT Be ALLOWED In EU4 Cherokee Guide

An EU4 1.31 Native American Guide focusing on your Starting Moves, explaining eu4 cherokee early to mid game moves in detail how to manage your eu4 1.31 leviathan monuments eu4 1.31 estates, diplomacy, expansion path and missions, as well as how to manage your army and trade.
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[@LudietHistoria]

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[@segiraldovi]

Hey ludi,Could you make a guide about First come, first to serve and liga mayapan achievements?

[@andrei010.]

@Ludi et Historia I did ask on europa unversalis group "which religion is the best?" I got different answers but none were "totemism" Them I played native american as a Repubilc with frequent election ( the president just needs to leave the office and will become an ancestor..not until he is dead) so evry 3 years you could add an ancestor if you have the Diplo mana Jesus Christ !

[@garak55]

"Huh, our chief dies everytime we do a peace deal?" Man, just read the damn pop up.

[@LudietHistoria]

NO >.

[@pieceofschmidtgamer]

@@LudietHistoria NEVAH!!!! DEATH BEFORE READING!!!!

[@tamaraloran]

@@LudietHistoria Warriors dont read books :D

[@biharek7595]

@@tamaraloran the sword is mightier than the pen

[@Titantr0n]

Dude that's OP as hell. I'm so space marining Europe on my next campaign.

[@LudietHistoria]

yup, you should!

[@spacekicker4]

Europe will be like "do I hear battle music?"

[@av4693]

No wonder sunrise invasion was a thing in ck2

[@kekistanihelpdesk8508]

You'll get the plague on the first month :)

[@xyzzzify]

If you go horde and then monarchy you also swap from the terrible native units to chad Chinese tech units. You could potentially get Western units if you go catholic temporarily, but that would probably cause you to loose all ancestors.

[@Elbaphomet71]

Who discovered America? ( ) Colombus ( ) Vasco da Gama ( ) Americo Vespucio ( X ) The Free Company

[@LudietHistoria]

And the answer is....CORRECT

[@ruslanmamedaliyev3912]

And thats why it is called freeland

[@suedetree970]

An actual native guide for 1.31. This is hype

[@LudietHistoria]

Hope you like it!

[@YellowZ04]

Yeah its super usefull for me. I reformed the government right before forming the iroquois.

[@Gezentavuku]

I have tried 1.31.6 and 1.32.1 but starting is nothing like it. I dont understand. All border nations have 7 thousand troops. Once you reach 8k to have the mission more troops than neightbours, all of them is now 10k. I guess I have to try each 1.31 patches

[@axavia]

Cherokee actually believed that a leader which is good during times of peace is likely not good during times of war; and vice versa. Therefore, when you declare war, you get a war-time leader. When you declare peace, you get a peace-time leader. Therefore, you can just do a war cycle to farm for ancestral aspects.

[@benry007]

Nice!

[@burakparlaktuna4505]

Indigenous + Horde?! - Nerf incoming next patch for sure. Ludi keep playing this cherokee and have WC please!

[@LudietHistoria]

Like legit this is super broken man, hope they patch it xD

[@C1azed]

Actually it's pretty balanced in the few multiplayer games I've seen where people actually start as natives the native player normaly loes the coastline but bounces back after 1600s

[@burakparlaktuna4505]

@@C1azed I didnt think about MP but for SP it is easy way for mayan horde WC imo. :)

[@mgsminecraft]

@@burakparlaktuna4505 The Mayan religion doesn’t work like Totemist. The only way you can do a Mayan horde is if you border a horde when you click Reform Religion.

[@burakparlaktuna4505]

@@mgsminecraft yes i know but it can be done. Check youtube for it.

[@thomasfallows3917]

Another little trick as well (Unless its been patched). If you go Horde as a tribe in a colonial area and then from horde become a monarchy, republic or Theocracy you can actually form Colonial Tags like USA, Texas etc. It works in Australia too.

[@cameronford2830]

I think this still works, it's because you switch tech type to Chinese or something like that. Really cool.

[@sokyu7723]

It’s been patched, now you gotta convert religions to a non native religion to do that cause it changes your tech type based on religion

[@drekbleh7081]

Aztecs: "BOLD WORDS FOR SOMEONE IN SACRIFICE RANGE"

[@BSideWasTaken]

They're a "war chief" so when you ain't at war... Also not sure if you saw but if you're cheeky you can basically have a 100+ dev megacity before the colonisers show up using the whole migrationi thing

[@victorvazquez9913]

if you choose the settle down reform on tier 3, you can transfer your tribal development into the province itself and there's no cap on how many irragation buildings you build. also if you complete all federation reforms you can get a new set of ideas, settle all provemces and still can build more irrigation buildings. I used these to get 636 dev with 90+ dev capitol and 2 20+ dev gold provences

[@janjone1706]

But the last time i try to did it i recogniced that the native buildings disapear as soon as you reform in a "civilised" government

[@xTORREfiolx]

Just pointing out that you can't reform to a horde if you have settled down. Also, reforming with the tier 4 appropriate reform when colonizers arrive allows you to get 2-3 institutions and maybe some tech at the cost of getting the form of government of the country you're reforming off of. Doing it with colonial nations makes you a republic, useful to cycle the ancestor aspects and getting the best ones. The cons is that they arrive waaay late...

[@Infinitystar225]

I've been looking forward to a native guide

[@LudietHistoria]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@Nikwunu]

Same. It seems like something fun to mega campaign on.

[@wojownikmaryi1910]

Lubi please continue this guide, it was amazing!!!

[@bobdenalio2074]

Thank you Ludi! Love watching your videos while eating lunch. I always look forward to it!

[@LudietHistoria]

Thanks for watching bob, hope you enjoy it sir

[@SchiozerKID]

I literally looked yesterday for a native american guide from you! Awesome

[@sniippiggydigg]

Subbed for the guides, stayed for the humour. Keep it up dude!

[@alexandrosmath7457]

I've never played the natives this was cool to watch! I'm currently trying out navarra for the achievement. So many restarts lmfao

[@LudietHistoria]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@nick_unq]

@@LudietHistoria hey bro, do u have a navarra guide? Your guides is awesome

[@shppen]

I mean Aztec guide is nice but I would love to see more of this :) Such a big brain play, I loved it!

[@gluedrinkerproduction]

I have been looking for a native guide all day this is either proof of a simulation or a well-timed upload ether way good video

[@LudietHistoria]

Error 404, NPC suspecting, restart....

[@xanfortunato]

Great video, going to try this run soon!

[@CatladyAyaki]

I am going to watch your videos non stop this weekend! I swear!

[@peachprincess758]

Great guide Ludi!! I love it! :-)

[@LudietHistoria]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@sebastianpohl1268]

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound That saved a wretch like me I once was lost, but now am found Was blind but now I see ;-) Amazing Graze !

[@davidwilliams7552]

I can recommend trying Navajo, Sioux or Onondaga (last one starts settled). It's a bit annoying that you have to start a game with one of the tribes before you can work out their starting situation but these tribes have a good start and extra missions that are essential to look at closely. Quizquiz is also a great start and has a special achievement.

[@ryszardmaciek4240]

Potawatomi is the best pick as they can have 10+ nations in federation in 1444, and with that and reform to call federation members to wars you can steamroll any enemy. In early i recommend declaring humilate wars (you get that cb on every neighbour and it has 0% cost for taking money), get few technologies, take native ideas and when you see settled tribes reforming (usually nations near Chickasaw do that first) you should wait abt 15 more years, unite federation and choose republic to have many opportunities for picking new ancestors. From policies to native ideas you can get additional 10% dev cost, and generic federation ideas also have 10% so its good possibility to play tall.

[@masterofjubal7561]

The Iceland guide Ludi, the Iceland guide. Don't forget. I'm watching you.

[@berkaivstheworld]

Dude this is amazing! also cant wait for the byzantium video :VVVV

[@Arthion]

I like playing the natives, my biggest problem really is massive federation blocks forming that make early conquest painful, particularly as Navajo for example

[@davidwilliams7552]

In that case if you have no federation or a small federation try going for early allies, curry favours until they will join your wars. If you have a strong fed then make sure to go for the federation wars option asap.

[@DavidLodgeclassof]

This is the first video of yours I've watched twice. Partly because I'm starting a Cherokee "No Trail of Tears" run, but mostly to see you become repeatedly shocked at getting new war chiefs again.

[@LudietHistoria]

Ahahah thanks for watching twice David ^^

[@MrWootaz]

Awwww yisss Asst-takes Guide :3333 time for the updoot before watchung.

[@LudietHistoria]

noice :D

[@Infinitystar225]

Just a tip: the lower your stability is, the cheaper it is to migrate, I suggest staying at -2 stab until you settle or become a horde

[@davidwilliams7552]

Yep no cb wars to drop stab, don't go to stab 1 until you settle down, remember you have to stab up to -2 to declare wars though.

[@WhoopieTang]

Thank god, there was like zero natives guides post 1.31 before this

[@thiagoangelgonzalez4890]

This show us that the history would be sooo different if the Mongolians build strong ships

[@AndrishhRS]

Does it? The video game? Pretty bad example I’d say

[@RobertGoddard86]

@@AndrishhRS Education hurts.

[@alexingino5738]

Would love to see a full campaign of this.

[@ikermittmann2041]

Great video ludi! Im currently playing morocco from your andalusia guide and oh boy is it pain(i buyed eu4 4 years ago with no dlc and refused to play more than 7h until a month ago, now i have all of them praise the weekend discount) manage to get granada and algiers before 1448 along a 5/6/5 heir. The stupid start sultan died from disentery(lol) mid 1447 and I got a 5/6/4 regent. Just as april 1448 starts the castillians and portuguese decide they want my booty(no england:D) I get naval superiority and got tunisia and and my 3 vassals with me. My army started the war at 13k plus 5k of my vassals plus 16k of tunisia. I let 6k portuguese get to tangiers to kill them with a 20k stack. Battle goes good till a 25k castillian stack gets out of nowhere and smacks me in the face. 8k lost:(. I got 25 k to beat portugal and castille. I have naval supremacy so far and most of castille are busy sieging granada and i got 7k portuguese at tangiers. What should i do to turn this around? What are some tips to progress with my campain(consider im 2 steps from a complete noob) love your videos man:D

[@davidwilliams7552]

Diplo rep is the best trait as a native it means you can more easily expand your federation!

[@ervest273]

That is what I waited for, finally non-aztec nation to play in new world. Thanks for de vibeo

[@davidwilliams7552]

-3 stab is the go for migrating cheaply - no cb wars are your friend. Love the triple show strength war!

[@brandonlyon730]

Doesn't that make aggressive expansion to go up really fast even if you don’t take anything, with giant coalitions forming?

[@lorrdy7640]

@@brandonlyon730 nope

[@davidwilliams7552]

@@brandonlyon730 not really a problem you need to basically be at constant war, taking tribal land when you can and the rest of the time taking prestige, trade power and war reps. This builds your economy to where you can construct buildings and get advisors. Don't focus on gold in wars as your allies or federation take most of it usually. A strong federation becomes like a vassal swarm you can just click war and watch them go fight for you!

[@davidwilliams7552]

You do gain +2 war exhaustion from no cb war but no problem you just choose a weak target far away from you.

[@custos9209]

I kind of want to see what this blossoms into later xD

[@yak601]

Gonna be my next campaign

[@Spawnofktulu007]

You had me at Aztec

[@adamp1701]

This is awesome thanks! My only problem is that all my rivals create massive blob-like federations, making it impossible for me to even trying to get into rival battles.

[@kerim63000]

Nice!!!!

[@LudietHistoria]

Thank you!

[@starhaven1881]

That looks like fun. the problems for me is I tend to grow bored playing that way. Although it might be fun to practice and spring on a friend in multiplayer

[@grantwilson3980]

Please do a part 2!

[@aeriawindsor4722]

Yeah this undoubtedly peak Leviathan "feature"

[@carlosvillamayorbeorlegui5858]

Nice video i loved it. Could you please do the same with the polynesian nations such as Tonga, Hawaii etc? Thank you

[@dobromirivanov7310]

Now I am thinking of WC / One faith with this nation. Anyway tho, I would love to see a full play through of this.

[@bang2dis]

This campaign is impossible to replicate. All of my neighbors form big coalitions and confederations no matter how many times I restart.

[@MPLoura]

Yeah, I'm having the same problem. I even switched around looking for other tribes to play (Apache, Navajo, etc) but it's just alliance locked everywhere. Shame.

[@andreafardo7370]

A tip to keep all the tribal developement is to befor changing to the last reform in the third refor there's a reform the give you the opportunity to sette the tribal developement

[@LudietHistoria]

very true sir!

[@suedetree970]

7:02 nice cut ludi

[@medievalcommunist766]

I had an insane amount of luck trying this out and in the first twenty years I got discipline, tech cost, and ae impact.

[@eyjafjallajokull1130]

i rerolled 20 times still no moral or disipline, goddmmt

[@zdeneek]

Finally north america native guide!

[@EinarAI]

Waiting for the Aztec one

[@michaelbazany9751]

Choose seasonal travel for tier 3, amass as much tribal land as possible. When you're satisfied, change to settle down in wherever you want your capital. Then settle your tribal land provinces, and *build irrigation in every one*. Irrigation nets you +.02 tribal dev for every province you have it in. You can get your tribal dev ticking at more than 1 per month easy. By the time you've westernized you're basically guaranteed to be #1 GP

[@derkreuzritter6789]

16:20 A good thing to note here is that federations also get a huge boost to their...whatever it's called, when next to a colonizer, and any tribe that is reformed counts as a colonizer. Also, am I the only one that doesn't get the war/peace leaders event?

[@deval97]

No im not getting them either!! i dont know why. I looked up the event triggers and I do have all of them as far as i can tell, all you need is to be a native tribe with 20 army tradition and at war

[@deval97]

Nevermind i just realised the mean time to happen is 96 months so you have to be at war for on average 4 years at a time to see it often

[@derkreuzritter6789]

@@deval97 Yeah after posting this I got the event twice, never happened again sadly.

[@ardawill]

Cuckhold master ludi strikes again with a week long wait for a new video :D

[@Owenmilan]

L’udienza can you do am Iroquois guide.

[@MortaLRhymE]

Totemist mechanics most broken thing i have ever witnessed in this game. I am curious what would happen if you Only stacked ae reduction .( annexes whole france for 20 ae ?)

[@GrafSchocola]

Lol. You should be getting -20% for every leader with that trait. So theoretically once you've had 5 leaders with the ae trait you should be sitting at -100%, thus no ae whatsoever xD and that would only occupy half of your total slots

[@MuppetLord1]

@@GrafSchocola and if you did 6 leaders with it you would loose AE for taking lands? xD

[@sorsocksfake]

Or +400% improve relations. Or +20 shock pips. Or +100% discipline (Prussia say whoat?) :P Alas, according to wiki they can't be stacked, even if you get two leaders with the same trait (except I presume current leader and totem). And since it's RNGesus, the odds of getting 10 AE reduction traits are rather low anyway. But you could for instance get 10% AE reduction, 40% improve relations, 10% discipline, 10% morale,, +2 shock, +2 maneuver, -2% army tradition decay. And we'll toss in 10% idea cost, 10% tech cost and 20% production. Plus current leader trait. Seems to me the main downside is that you can't really convert much as totemists don't seem to get any bonuses in that regard? So if you're planning to take non-totemist land, it's gonna hurt.

[@GrafSchocola]

@@sorsocksfake I guess the number of missionaries is indeed quite limited as a Totemist nation. But since you can become a Horde as a native... Horde+Humanist ideas -> never ever worry about religious unity again and get absolutely bonkers ideas on top xD

[@naufalshahab8551]

I automaticly like the video i dont know why

[@kocajj]

I followed your guidance on this, but realized it becomes even more OP later. When you reform your Horde into a Republic and enact frequent elections, every 3 years you get a new ancestor and the ability to add their bonuses.... Allowing you to just cycle through, until you have dozens of ancestor benefits to choose from....

[@15jorada]

Please do a follow up on this! I would myself but I don't want to pay for all of the dlcs

[@MrBrock314]

Get the humble bundle that Ludi has now. Basically free DLCs.

[@cfalde]

What what? No estates speech. Is this actually Ludi? :p Yes I know native don't have estates at the start.

[@LudietHistoria]

a part of me died tbh Q_Q

[@BogdanAriasu]

I like that natives have cannons

[@LudietHistoria]

this is historical knowledge XD

[@redviper324]

Lol how many times did you savescum to get the perfect traits ?

[@tritojean7549]

wait so when you reform you keep the idea of your previous gouv type? so indigenous into horde into theocratie into republic into kingdom is very fun

[@amirhakim4059]

In the peace deal from a humiliate cb, (not humiliate rival cb) actually u can their money with no cost of the war scores.

[@kamilkarczmarczyk9445]

I have no idea what I've just watch :o

[@Jauffre-innit]

Damn I forgot about the Assteks

[@NeoMicy]

You have take innovativ ides with the addition of -20% adviser cost you get money for advisors xD

[@GrafSchocola]

Did they fix Totemism in the meantime though? Couple months ago I was playing as the Aztecs and switched to Totemist. None of the leader spirits (or whatever they're called) worked. Just got a question mark and no modifier :/

[@LudietHistoria]

It works now!

[@genbab6989]

There actually is a way to keep that tribal dev after modernisation. To do it you have to press settle tribe until all dev is gone

[@SrJesus-gw3po]

I dont get it :/ do you have a video in which they do that?

[@genbab6989]

@@SrJesus-gw3po I don't have a video no, but if you click on the province you want to sink dev into, on the top right of the menu that pops up there is a teepee with a green arrow, that's what you need to press

[@ShieldThatGuardsTheRealmOfMen]

So, what do you do when Europeans arrive? Is it different than before this patch or is it easier?

[@nightcorefirex9312]

Would/could you do aztec guide with archivement too? 😅

[@LudietHistoria]

I can do one sure!

[@lucasserralta6477]

Should you have as many nations as possible in your federation? Is it possible to annex them later?

[@deval97]

Yes but you need to enable all 8 federation refroms which can take a while. you also need to be settled for the 8th reform which i think means you wont be able to form horde (as once you form horde youll lose the federation, but if you go settled you lose the ability to form horde)

[@antoniojpalermo]

Wow wow wow

[@sigma_fil1529]

This guide was unexpected

[@LudietHistoria]

hope you enjoy it

[@sigma_fil1529]

@@LudietHistoria sure! I've never played with totemists, i didn't know they are so overpowered

[@trbd]

I get it man, i dont read events either

[@kazogai]

You can form Totemist Mongol Empire with a culture shift. It will just give nice blue colour and +%15 Institution Spread.

[@LudietHistoria]

very true!

[@Njorl]

Is there some benefit to "Cancel Rivalry" that I'm missing? All I can think of is that it docks them a tiny bit of power projection.

[@dernierergenekon5234]

theres nothing else to pick and cancelling rivalries give prestige

[@NashQlaim]

if you go minus stab that also gives you a buff that lets you relocate for cheaper, is that more viable than 3 stab because you didnt say anything about it in the video?

[@FriendofOnas]

The random picture of the Seneca war chief Cornplanter wtf

[@razoner1399]

That's crazy

[@Scott-fy4rz]

so like when is ludi doing catch up on his like goal guides

[@marted7135]

Ah yes, my time has come , onto the cherokee we go.

[@brandonlyon730]

Nice to natives are actually playable now.

[@LudietHistoria]

yup, big time!

[@danieldrexel3875]

When i try to do this the other tribes have a huge federation with at least 5 members at this point and i cant do anything...

[@epikz6]

FINALLY

[@LudietHistoria]

omg its charlie :p

[@jamescollis7610]

So this is how one avoids the Trail of Tears

[@foxdavion6865]

Even though Totemist has been nerfed in the Origins Patch; Native Americans with the unique ideas and mission trees are still pretty OP in the early game (moral is a big factor in native warfare as this is pre-tech 3 wars) and you'll want to be constantly at war from start to finish to be strong enough to face the Europeans when they show up. The more wars, the more force projection and military tradition, combine that with strong mission trees and Totemist bonuses, depending on which tribe you pick, your tactics would be when facing the Europians would either be as follows: Become a Horde and just overrun them with horses. Or either go full massive defensive walls to get the AI to siege you, then you hammer + anvil them after getting native ideas. Or go full ambush focus with army movement speed and intercept the European forces when they are landing in small groups before they form their stacks. Basically, Native Americans are not weak anymore and the only major hurtle you have to deal with is disease and military tech disparity (this is only an issue if the Europeans arrive with cannons in their stacks, having lower mil tech just means the AI is more likely to constantly declare on you, even when it will lose, because it's aggression is based on tech and manpower; not on anything else which impacts the outcome of battles), so you need to prepare for those two events.

[@nickmickky2714]

Wtf do they always nerf natives? Like it still so much stronger to play as euro or even many Asian let American nations have perks

[@foxdavion6865]

@@nickmickky2714 Eh, the nerf was to two things and only two things: The Totemist Religion's Ancestors bonuses; Some of the stronger bonuses got halved in their strength for the ancestor variant, it was overpowered. The other thing that got nerfed effected all natives, it was the tribal development uptick, it was nerfed so the AI and players both can't passively build up massively overdeveloped mega provinces within 100 years, it was also broken. What was happening was Europian AI show up to get stomped by multiple 30K army stacks popping out of multiple 20 to 40 development provinces of native alliances before the disease debuff normally destroys all the AI controlled natives. The pip distribution on Native American culture group army units is the same as it's always been. The Dreamtime religion of the natives of Australia in EU4 is still OP and likely won't get nerfed ever; Primarily because it's only powerful in the hands of the player and like Coptic you must fulfil conditions to unlock it's full set of bonuses, which the A.I never does. The one religion which seems neglected, even with Origins is Fetishist, you can only have one bonus from it at a time, per lifetime of the leader OR 1 with a lesser version for the heir. OR via decision swap it every few years for stability loss. It feels weak compared to other "pagan" religions in the game now with all the changes.

[@MuppetLord1]

Only Ludi can manage me want to play in the new world. O_o

[@LudietHistoria]

Have fun in the new world MuppetLord!

[@user-cy5lu3oy4w]

Ludi, try this guide, and I have a question:) How do you annex those fist nation?! Only the main tribe province cost 100% war score)

[@4ester709]

Механику индейцев переработали уже как полтора патча

[@maximumgames2990]

The personality traits are bugs but the indigenous horde thing is a feature

[@cundil]

Waiting for Aztecs guide

[@brunomonlevade769]

Because of your next video, here's an idea for an achievement. Crazy-ass-tech: As the Aztecs, have the highest all-around tech level (sum of all three techs) while having the highest unbalanced research modifier in the world.

[@KevinCurry]

Hail our new leader, oh wait you have 10% discipline, now kick the bucket so we get your great aspect!

[@taeyongsim9899]

i have all the dlcs including the latest one but the ancestors function doesn't seem to appear in my game. does anyone know why? other functions work perfectly

[@abecks555]

Finish the Aragon Roman Empire series plez!!!

[@Rex-bl5ov]

"booyah let's attack yo"

[@chobble3877]

Do you need dlc to get all the native mechanics?