I am clueless with cars. When people ask me what kind of car I drive, I say a blue one. My son's power steering had been out for a long time and he just drove without power steering. One day I borrowed his car. I decided that I would see if the internet would tell me what to do. This worked and a clueless car person was able to do it. Thanks
@MattStephensRich9 жыл бұрын
Terry Todd Glad I could be of help!
@tybuchanan89628 жыл бұрын
Matt! Thank you for the video! I went into Auto Zone and asked the sales guy which power steering fluid I needed. Told him what type of car I had and told me any type was good. I am glad I watched your video before I put their power steering fluid in the car.
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
Glad it could be of help! I have sadly burned power steering pumps in the past after using incorrect fluid.
@ajgutierrez47123 жыл бұрын
They told me the same thing at my auto zone! I bought what they said should work but haven't used it
@enriquep.75582 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. You really helped me today. I was using the wrong power steering fluid in my 2006 Ford Focus zx4 and watching this video made me learn something new today. I caught the issue on time and my car is running back to normal again👍🏻 Thanks dude! and God bless.
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
glad to hear it!
@jessicaneuwerth96008 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this! My shop told me I needed a $160+ power steering fluid flush, but my dad mentioned the turkey baster method, so I figured I'd try it out. I lost my Ford manual years ago, so I asked at about three autoparts shops for the recommended power steering fluid for my Ford Focus, and all of them just pointed me to the standard stuff. Thankfully I found this video before going through with the change--I'll be heading back to the shop, returning the generic power steering fluid and getting the mercon 5 ATF. Phew.
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
+Jessica Neuwerth Good catch Jessica! Glad this video was of help.
@johnmitchell927010 ай бұрын
Going to try it. My 2008 focus started squealing and little hesitant turning after adding step power steering to it a couple of weeks later with little leaking on top of reservoir but still remained full. Wish me good thank you.
@april40254 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the clear explanation and easy to follow video, my steering is much easier now and I avoided a trip to the mechanic
@MattStephensRich4 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@judgerico57632 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro I went to auto-zone and bought the exact same thing and just did it on my own and was so easy tbh. 👌🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@MikePietronRealtor5 жыл бұрын
Was offered this service for $79.99 at my last oil change, glad I said I’ll do it myself
@MattStephensRich5 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@raymonddunn97235 жыл бұрын
My 04 focus uses Mercon ATF for the 2.0 liter SOC motor. You need to check the specifications page in your owners manual and the type fluid for the motor you have. It varies by motor.
@The_Middle_The2 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! Im going to try this to safe on mechanic work and learn how to maintain a ford focus 2008
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
Good luck!
@Bigpimpin93933 жыл бұрын
At 1:15 I see what you did there “see if we can get it to focus here” hahaha 🤣
@MattStephensRich3 жыл бұрын
Love puns
@Mrmmm885 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Outstanding tips. Easy to follow. Thanks a bunch
@MattStephensRich5 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@BuzzWorthySkate9 жыл бұрын
Mines been making some noises when I turn, I'm gonna check it today, thanks for making the video!
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
+Steven Johnsen Glad it was of help!
@sho26434 жыл бұрын
Might 2 my dawh it's embarrassing
@piemurplayz542628 күн бұрын
In my focus the reservoir is solid black with a solid black lid, I was looking for the power steering reservoir for like 10 solid mins before finding your video
@brisa51048 ай бұрын
Omg thank you for making this video
@MattStephensRich8 ай бұрын
No problem 😊
@freddyflintstoned9139 жыл бұрын
Great video. But, you did not flush or change all the fluid. You changed the fluid in the reservoir only. The rack and the lines are holding dirty fluid. To change more of the fluid do as Matt has shown but after you do this run the car and go lock to lock, turn the steering wheel all the way from left to right several times and than repeat. Repeat this process at least three times total for maximum fluid change. PS. I use a small vinyl hose and remove the fluid by siphoning. A 1/4" hose goes deeper into the reservoir.
@bernabetijerina71045 жыл бұрын
Do you have yo drive it around??.. or can i just turn on the engine amd turn the wheels lock to lock severals times and repeat the processes?
@Engineer97364 жыл бұрын
The owners manual of this car says that you have to check the level in a cold state. For taking out the liquid its ok to warm it up, but just take care that the level is OK after it has sat through a night or so. It’s advisable anyway to read the owners manual. KZbin videos are a nice addition for handy tricks, but the information in the official car manual is leading.
@stanleymizerski10656 жыл бұрын
hey....thanx a bunch....excellent video...very easy to understand you...thank again
@MattStephensRich6 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@kmoore48963 жыл бұрын
My car is a 2007 and got from Gresham Toyota here in Oregon and it's breaking down 😠😠 NOT putting anymore MONEY into this junk!! Now the car sounds like chewbacca when I'm starting to turn the steering wheel, Ughhhh! Been googling everything and came across this video! Thanks will be getting My items and getting this New fluid added!!!! ***People please take a mechanic with You if You don't know MUCH about cars, thinking about getting a, "New(er vehicle, some of these dealerships are SHADY and you'll be Out of Money and possible lawsuits for Their junk car!
@heavymechanic29 жыл бұрын
60K service should include a P/S fluid change with synthetic fluid, 30K with regular ATF. Its hard to find info on this but these are the general guidelines.
@MattStephensRich9 жыл бұрын
That's a fair way to go at it - All Ford offers in the scheduled maintenance guide for the Focus is "check power steering fluid levels every 6 months." I always seem to have extra transmission fluid left after a fluid change, so that is when I look to also change the fluid on the power steering. For the Focus, Ford calls for a 60K interval on transmission fluid.
@MissBELLE0036 жыл бұрын
When the fluids out dose it make a crazy sounds
@MattStephensRich6 жыл бұрын
It should make a screeching noise, especially when the wheel is fully rotated.
@katiemccrea8361 Жыл бұрын
I have an 09 kuga and can't find the steering fluid reservoir. From reading up alot of people say it doesn't ever need topping up but I find that hard to believe she's a decent car but still pretty old
@MattStephensRich Жыл бұрын
It doesn't hurt doing the flush!
@MirmirJones2 жыл бұрын
I have a 2007 Ford Focus should I Use the same power steering fluid you have ?
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
yup! I use Mercon V here - Mercon LV has been approved as replacement by Ford as well. :)
@rudfil11 ай бұрын
Im suddenly hearing a slight whine sometimes when I’m turning, is that low power steering fluid causing it? ( I havent checked yet.)
@MattStephensRich11 ай бұрын
Yup low fluid could be a culprit!
@Slasherations9 жыл бұрын
also you don't need to change it every 30 thousand miles like some con artists are claiming (unless you haul things of course) but 100,000 or 200,000 is about right for cars and truck under normal conditions.
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
+Slasherations Ford recommends a 60,000 change interval under normal conditions with this model of Focus, though you are perfectly able to push 100,000 so long as the transmission fluid color remains that nice ruby red.
@marh47207 жыл бұрын
Interesting video and helpful. Just a couple of questions, Is this the only way to change the power steering fluid? and second, I was looking your channel but I do not see a video about transmission fluid change, did you made one? (You said in a comment that that you will) :)
@MattStephensRich7 жыл бұрын
MA RH this is the quick and easy way - it is possible to do a complete flush by disconnecting the hose line. That can be pretty cumbersome however, so I did want to show an easy way to get majority of the fluid flushed. :) And I do still plan to do a transmission fluid video - life has simply gotten in the way!
@amyhenderson97383 жыл бұрын
I also cannot find my owners manual, I have a 2000 Ford Focus, do I use the same fluid you showing the video?
@MattStephensRich3 жыл бұрын
Here's a link for you: www.ford.com/support/vehicle/Focus/2000/owner-manuals/ It looks like they call for regular Ford Mercon ATF for your power steering.
@ooosoo87277 ай бұрын
I thought the transmission itself actually takes Mercon LV fluid, not Mercon V fluid?
@MattStephensRich7 ай бұрын
This video was shot before Mercon V was released, and indeed the spec has been updated to recommend Mercon LV as suitable replacement.
@LA_Commander2 жыл бұрын
The newer generation Foci, I believe 2011 or 2012 onwards, use an electric power steering assist. No pump, no hoses, no fluid. Please correct the title of your video.
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the flag!
@fershol863 жыл бұрын
I’m worried that I can’t do this because yes my fluid is black but it’s gotten to the point where it will not steer full left and full right at all to flush out
@MattStephensRich3 жыл бұрын
Might be time for the mechanic.
@brysonkeating3919 жыл бұрын
What about the transmission fluid I have a 2000 and this video helped and that's my next task.
@MattStephensRich9 жыл бұрын
I'll be doing a transmission fluid change later this year. Gratefully, it is a rather easy process - the only difficult part is taking off the bolts for the transmission fluid pan and removing the gasket (I used a paint scrapper to help break the seal). There are a number of other good videos on KZbin that can help out.
@angierules12243 жыл бұрын
What is that hose on top of the lid? Mine is torn on the 2007 Ford focus
@luckimom32 жыл бұрын
Matt, does the 2015 ford focus have an electric power steering pump and does it have hoses?
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
I believe there should be the hosing still.
@LA_Commander2 жыл бұрын
The newer Foci all have electronic power steering. No hoses, no pump, no fluid.
@robertramirez81434 жыл бұрын
Hey bud, I have a 2009 Ford focus. Do I have to do the same processes as you demonstrated? Like warming up the car, changing the fluid every few weeks ect??
@MattStephensRich4 жыл бұрын
Would recommend the same process for sure, regardless of make and model. 😊
@robertramirez81434 жыл бұрын
@@MattStephensRich thank you, sir 🙏
@robertramirez81434 жыл бұрын
@@MattStephensRich Uhmm.. Matt, I'm sorry for the bother bro XD but if the fluid turns black after doing the first change and driving, do I change it again in a couple of days or still wait a few weeks (don't think its been changed for the past 2 hand me downs)
@MattStephensRich4 жыл бұрын
I’d go ahead and change again now, and continue to keep an eye on it. While regular motor oil will darken pretty quickly in engine operation (which means it’s doing its job to capture deposits), the power steering fluid shouldn’t be picking up as much deposit and changing color as quickly.
@robertramirez81434 жыл бұрын
@@MattStephensRich kool, kool. Well thx man, I really appreciate the teachings, master 🔥🙏🔥 God bless
@nrvisuals90472 жыл бұрын
I’ve got a focus 2016 I’ve been using a universal power steering fluid if I flush this out and use a Mercon v fluid will be ok?
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
Correct! To that end, specifically look for Mercon LV, which has preceded Mercon V by spec.
@Rotc-jumper3114 жыл бұрын
I have a 2011 focus ses. Do I use the same fluid? I cant find the owner's manual
@MattStephensRich4 жыл бұрын
yup!
@carolcastro73134 жыл бұрын
2.0 duratec :-) pentosin chf 202
@son_zon55766 жыл бұрын
Video was very helpful
@MattStephensRich6 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@redking48872 жыл бұрын
Is gearbox oil the same stuff?
@MattStephensRich Жыл бұрын
In this case, we are using transmission fluid (Mercon V in the video, which has since been updated to Mercon LV), if that's the "gearbox" your referring to. Crankcase or other differentials (which could also be "gearbox") can take different specs of oil.
@haylees49473 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! I bought mercon type F ATF. That will work? It says for older Ford videos.
@MattStephensRich3 жыл бұрын
Double check your manual to be doubly sure on exact spec - type F doesn’t work for this car. 😊
@haylees49473 жыл бұрын
@@MattStephensRich it doesn’t say anything specific… literally just says mercon
@MattStephensRich3 жыл бұрын
If it’s this same type of Focus; Mercon V or Mercon LV would be in spec.
@JavierOliva4405 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you taking the time to post this video but it is NOT FLUSHING fluid from your system it is only changing a small amount of the Power Steering fluid. It would be helpful if you don't mislead people with the title of your video.
@MattStephensRich5 жыл бұрын
This is why I recommended repeating the process to continue teasing out more fluid. :)
@fahq337 Жыл бұрын
Do you keep the car running while taking the fluid out?
@MattStephensRich Жыл бұрын
You can, but don't necessarily have to. With this approach, you're basically siphoning off fluid from the reservoir, so engine doesn't need to be running.
@fahq337 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MattStephensRich Жыл бұрын
You bet!
@oscarjones57735 жыл бұрын
Do these have a trans cooler? If so just pull the return line with the car running and turn the wheels back and fourth with someone filling from top at the same time.
@roadsurfer72944 жыл бұрын
wrong ! what about the remaining fluid in side pump and lines?
@MattStephensRich4 жыл бұрын
This is why I recommended cycling a few times. 🙂
@dailyconfusion72222 жыл бұрын
Where does the ground from the negative battery cable go I got the one on the chasis
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
Ultimately grounds into the chassis - typically you look to connect negative grounds to chassis, engine, or other steel framing on the car.
@Mindful1410 жыл бұрын
Good info,how about a removal/installation video of a 2000 Focus DOHC power steering pump. Could use it asap. Thanks.
@MattStephensRich10 жыл бұрын
I do these videos as maintenance come due on the Ford Focus. Ideally, I will not need to replace the power steering pump as I have replaced the fluid, but there are still a number of great videos out there on pump replacement.
@pfsantos00710 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up, but technically not a flush.
@MattStephensRich10 жыл бұрын
Maybe consider this the 2 minute poor man's flush? I used this technique on my previous Ford Taurus which went 250,000 miles on the original steering pump.
@shelbywalton71332 жыл бұрын
Ok so would I need to do a flush or just take it to a mechanic cause my power steering fluid gets a pink foam on top when the car is on and the steering wheel is hard to turn and like the fluid isn't getting where it should be?
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
Recommend taking it in, as foam would indicate the fluid is getting airated somehow.
@Wakeupbabyjohnson3 жыл бұрын
My 2015 Ford Focus does not have this power steering cap or reservoir
@LA_Commander2 жыл бұрын
That's because the newer generation Foci have electronic power steering
@That4.3Sierra3 жыл бұрын
On my 05, its located in the back of the engine bay
@throughdude232 жыл бұрын
If you use a pump style extractor you can connect it to the return hose and suck out any old fluid while adding new fluid. Then you won't have to do multiple passes.
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
True true!
@cryptoking14613 жыл бұрын
2012 does not have a reservoir it all is sealed in a rack and pinion
@samanthaskorka22128 жыл бұрын
so I have a leak somewhere, and it goes bone dry by the end of the day, just to get by, you're saying I put castrol transmax mercon 5 ATF INSTEAD of something like prestone PS fluid stop leak?
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
That's what the manual calls for - Mercon V. You can try stop leak, but be warned that if the additive throws the viscosity off on the power steering fluid, you can run the risk of burning out the power steering pump. (Learned from experience) It would probably be best to simply replace your power steering.
@LadiDy6272 жыл бұрын
You put transmission fluid into your power steering resovior?
@bayfinest19382 жыл бұрын
Yes
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
Indeed - Mercon *is* the power steering fluid here.
@bayfinest19382 жыл бұрын
@@MattStephensRich Is the return line big hose or the small hose ?
@bayfinest19382 жыл бұрын
@@MattStephensRich from the reservoir
@marianc73335 жыл бұрын
Good video, but I did not find marcon V at the local store, they recommended me hydraulic oil is same? And another thing they said to put the same color but it's green but in my tank it's yellow
@MattStephensRich5 жыл бұрын
For the colors, I think you might be thinking of coolant? (which is a comparable color). Mercon V is still recommended for the Power Steering Fluid, though Mercon LV has recently also been specced for this model of Ford Focus. You can also check the back of other "import" transmission fluids, as a few still meet spec.
@rangersasc4 жыл бұрын
ok but this is not a flush it is a dilute
@xomonti3 жыл бұрын
Where is it on the 2015 version it’s literally not there
@zafrann1233 жыл бұрын
Focus 2011 onwards has electronic power steering. It doesnt have a pump after 2011, the title is wrong
@Slasherations9 жыл бұрын
dont let anyone flush or "reverse flush" your transmission. it is never necessary. drop the pan, take off the filter and then let it drain. put on a new filter then add the appropriate kind and amount of fluid back in. you are now done and have no transmission problems caused by flushing/ reverse flushing silt into your filter and possibly clogging the valves. flushing is a sales tactic to make you spend more money. trucks may need the transmission fluid and filter changed more often if they aren't just for show. (anything that tows or does a lot of hauling.) anyone who tells you this is the "oldschool way" of dealing with the transmission is full of shit.
@MattStephensRich9 жыл бұрын
+Slasherations Very true - I will be doing a transmissions fluid swap soon for the Focus. For the power steering pump however, flushes are ok, as that is your only option for changing fluid. (There is also no filter involved)
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
+Jude Boham You can definitely top it up. Though I'd be concerned on where the transmission is going/leaking to - consider that the transmission isn't "burning" fuel, such as how one can lose oil in the engine; so there may be a leak causing your level to be low.
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
Ford doesn't offer any insight to this in their recommended maintenance schedule. Worst case, you would wait until the fluid loses its red color. However, the easiest thing to do would be change the steering fluid when you are also changing transmission fluid.
@nico100579yout Жыл бұрын
With your method , you managed to take out 25% of entire fluid . When steering fluid is old , you need to take out from entire sistem . By flush out , you need to take all fluid out from entire system . So you should inform all that you do just half of the job.
@MattStephensRich Жыл бұрын
Hence the name “flush”. Gratefully power steering system remains in great performing condition on this car.
@christopherpinto8847 жыл бұрын
What fluid should i use ??? Can anyone tell me brand and name thanks
@MattStephensRich7 жыл бұрын
Anything marked as Mercon V. :)
@Engineer97364 жыл бұрын
Rotating your steering wheel while not driving is very very bad for your tires. So after this liquid change you can go to the tire store...
@MattStephensRich4 жыл бұрын
A few turns of the wheel is not going to create a bald spot on the tire, no more than when you turn your wheel to get out of regular parking spaces 🙂
@BurtzMusic10 жыл бұрын
Why do you uses transmission fluid ..? On power steering
@MattStephensRich10 жыл бұрын
Believe it or not, many auto manufacturers use transmission fluid for power steering as well. This is out of convenience, so that the drive need only worry about one type of fluid for both the steering and transmission. Be warned, not using Mercon V in a Ford Focus can cause the power steering pump to fail. I have personal experience with this in my previous Ford Taurus.
@lastminute41546 жыл бұрын
burt and
@jimdavidson52088 жыл бұрын
You are doing it wrong. Raise front wheels off ground fully with jack stands. Remove low side hose and plug port as you did. Add longer hose to low side hose to reach catch pan. Turn wheel lock to lock 10-15 times. Refill two or three times doing that. Or until you see clean fluid coming out. So now clean fluid is through the steering rack and reservoir. Reconnect low side hose to reservoir. Top off fluid. Turn wheel lock to lock 10 more times. Keep fluid at the full cold mark. This bleeds the air out of the system. Start engine and crank wheel lock to lock 10 more times. Check fluid level. Lower car and check for leaks. Should be golden.
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
Indeed, that is a full drain. This is why I describe this as a flush that will not remove all the fluid. :)
@PeterMeixllovesdogs7 жыл бұрын
Matt Stephens-Rich so how would you do a transmission flush with your turkey baster? or flush the toilet? I think this is a great video for people that have too many turkey basters and would like limited results Matt.
@MattStephensRich7 жыл бұрын
... well you wouldn't, because a transmission flush requires dropping the pan. I'll be releasing that video some time this month.
@ffdharani8 жыл бұрын
Good video. Just one problem and a major one at that. I own the exact same Ford focus 2007 ses. I checked my owners manual and it turns out that it uses mercon atf, NOT mercon v. You might want to recheck your manual.
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
Mercon V is interchangeable with the T-2-QDX Mercon ATF called for in the owner's manual - Mercon V has actually been categorized by Ford to supersede Mercon ATF. What's more, it is very difficult to find T-2-QDX Mercon ATF at all in auto parts stores, etc. You are safe with Mercon V. :)
@ffdharani8 жыл бұрын
Oh okay. Thanks for the info. Just curious as to where u found this info? I combed the internet and could not find anything on the topic.
@keybearer267 жыл бұрын
Farhaan Dharani Mercon Actually discontinued the use of Mercon ATF back 2007 on July 1st in favor for Mercon V. Unfortunately the manuals had already been printed for the 2007 model
@lastminute41546 жыл бұрын
Farhaan Dharani ..
@drewtorre77173 жыл бұрын
I only managed to get 4 OZ out even after turning the wheel multiple times :(
@MattStephensRich3 жыл бұрын
That’s still ok! The priority is getting fresh fluid in, not all fluid out.
@ethandewall235820 күн бұрын
Your just removing power steering from the resivor your not flushing it
@MattStephensRich9 күн бұрын
A flush is adding new fluid, no?
@kamryn74964 жыл бұрын
Ford Focus from 2012 an up have electric power steering
@kamryn74964 жыл бұрын
Kandice Farley u can see if u look behind the engine u can see the electric motor on the rack n pinion I got 2015 focus an u can see it behind the engine
@kamryn74964 жыл бұрын
Kandice Farley the electric power steering motor is probably bad I’d suggest taking it to a shop to get it fixed as they can be difficult to replace
@joshuaseverson67068 жыл бұрын
I was only able to get a little bit out of my mazda
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
That is true, this is not a true drain, but minor flush. If you want to get more fluid out, it would be good to repeat a number of times.
@Dontreadme6 жыл бұрын
my 2013 ford focus doesn't have a place for power steering fluid so i am fucked
@Sasquatch1s3r4 жыл бұрын
How did you manage to solve it?
@zafrann1233 жыл бұрын
Mines the same as yours. 2011 onwards dont have a pump they have electronic power steering. The titles wrong, my cars fucked too lol start with changing your battery. Otherwise a new steering rack is 💰💰💰💰
@davidak0496 Жыл бұрын
Mfs made my power steering case black so you cant see the fill line🫤
@MattStephensRich Жыл бұрын
One thing you can do is hang a wire or coat hanger from the top, and measure from the top!
@jamesmahle1259Ай бұрын
1. You should never use transmission fluid in a power steering system, any proficient mechanic will tell you same. 2. When you only remove fluid from the reservoir, you will then mix in new power steering fluid with old. don't make videos if you don't know what your doing.
@MattStephensRichАй бұрын
You’re welcome to double check the manual if you’re interested on the spec, page 218. www.fordservicecontent.com/Ford_Content/catalog/owner_guides/07focog4e.pdf Ford recommends Mercon for Power Steering, which was then superseded by Mercon V in 2007. 😊
@curiosity231410 жыл бұрын
Well... The idea here is good... Mercon... Get a synthetic fluid like Amsoil universal fluid. Get Mercon out of your tranny too... Trying to be nice here... Either get the engine steam cleaned or clean it yourself... It's about presentation... I like you work here but your engine is dirty! Just need to clean it yearly.
@MattStephensRich10 жыл бұрын
Mercon V is designed specifically by Ford for Ford vehicle applications. I like to stick to OEM recommended fluids. Engines are also designed to be dirty. A clean engine will run just as well as a dirty engine fresh off the Baja. Some folks enjoy cleaning them, but I am more concerned with being sure that it runs properly and meets its performance needs. Rather, I am concerned with the cleanliness of the car body, to offset the threat of rust for as long as possible.
@shadowboybass9 жыл бұрын
thats is very bad !!! cood luck
@MattStephensRich8 жыл бұрын
Bad how so?
@vincevasquez87412 жыл бұрын
The reservoir on my 06 is black and there are no min or max lines...
@MattStephensRich2 жыл бұрын
give it a wipe down, it could be hidden underneath grime and grit. :)