2012 Kia Sportage 2.4L Theta 2 G4KE Engine DOHC - MPI (not GDI)

2012 Kia Sportage, bought CPO in 2014, crankshaft bearing failed at 103,000 miles in October of 2016, engine dead, Kia declined to cover engine replacement because CPO warranty expired at 100,000 miles. Thanks Kia

[@tazwarhossain5283]

Could u plz tell me what the output ( hp and torque) mime went off too meed to find tge perfect one plz tell me

[@user-dw8sm7vo6d]

Have you repaired your car?

[@D______]

Here is my Kia experience. Anyone in my position has encountered the same thing from Kia. If you cannot supply them with up to date maintenance records on your vehicle they will not cover it. So for instance, if you change your own oil you're screwed. Might work if you saved all your receipts but very few people are in the habit of saving receipts of them doing their own oil changes. This ploy Kia uses is well documented if you want to look it up, I have, and it’s out there. Also my car would be covered under the SC147 recall as the symptoms of my engine seizing up (engine needs replaced) followed the exact same symptomology as those the manufacturing defect notes in the recall. The recall notice even appears on my Carfax report. Again you can find all the recall information online. The reason my car isn't part of the SC147 recall according to Kia is because it is MPI instead of GDI. All the rest of the engine is the exact same, 2.4L theta II. Kia says that because my car uses a different kind of fuel injection method that it cannot be affected by the metal filings left in the engine block which is what the SC147 recall is all about. That's totally absurd on its face but that's Kia's position. The vehicles Kia did recall was done after many government threats as well as numerous lawsuits brought by disgruntled Kia owners for which there are many. Kia's mother company, Hyundai actually recalled their vehicles for the same problem immediately when the issue was discovered. It took Kia several years later to admit to the problem and issue a recall even though they were well aware of the problem. Where was Kia's concern for people being killed due to this manufacturing defect? A car having its engine seize up on the interstate would be something that would concern most companies immediately but not Kia. Unless Kia completely changes the way it does business they will continue to cost consumers thousands of dollars for defective cars and probably end up killing people due to their own negligence. I had to argue, write emails, file complaints with various entities, etc just to get Kia to actually LOOK at my engine at no cost to me to determine the how and why of the engine failure. Kia refused to cover my car even though it is under warranty and furthermore refused to even LOOK at my car to see what caused the failure. I'm still waiting for a callback from Kia with their assessment. Kia actually agreed to take my valve cover off to take a look at my car once I complained as high up as I could to Kia. This was after several months of my car sitting dead on the Auffenberg Kia lot in Metro east St Louis. Kia actually told me I'd have to pay $1500 up front to have my engine failure looked into initially. My constant pressure on Kia finally got them to say they would take my valve cover off for no fee which costs Kia less than $50 in labor. Kia had no desire whatsoever to know what caused my engine to seize up. Their ONLY concern was to avoid any acknowledgement of any responsibility or liability. Kia already knew what caused the engine to fail. The same thing that happened to hundreds of thousands of the same engines made by Kia and Hyundai. It was the exact same problem as the Kia SC147 recall. Taking the valve cover off will not help. There was no oil leak. No oil smell. Never any indication of any problem with the valve cover. It's simply a ploy for Kia to say we looked at your engine and it's your fault. Who would trust their assessment at this point anyway? I'm out thousands of dollars I still owe on a car without a working engine. Don't you think any car maker worth a darn would want to know why one of their vehicles engines just seized up on the highway? Kia's been super lucky so far no one has died due to their negligence. Additionally a co-worker of mine had a problem with his Kia and will not buy one again either. For his Kia the car required a specific oil filter made and installed by Kia and if that was not used the engine fails. He was never told this when he purchased the vehicle. His insurance successfully sued Kia for over $7,000 for his engine failure. Unfortunately my insurance doesn't cover mechanical issues. Ever wonder why your Kia never quite gets the gas mileage it was rated to get? Kia has also paid out for a class action lawsuit because they lied about the MPG of many of their models. The very MPG rating that many people base a large percentage of their purchase decision on. Yeah, Kia lied about that too but kept it hush hush. You can find the information online if you look for it. I had my car into the dealership (Auffenberg) several times before the engine failure telling them something is bad wrong with the car. The Kia service department ran every kind of computer diagnostic and could find no reason for the problems which included knocking, major loss of power, major loss of fuel economy and car dying at both idle and speed. Check engine light was always on and every sensor it said was malfunctioning was replaced and it didn't help. Unfortunately I could not leave my car with Kia. Kia wouldn't supply me with a free rental. They said it was against company policy. My step daughter was dying needing a second liver transplant as all this was going on and I couldn't be without that vehicle. With only one vehicle (other than the Kia) I wouldn't be able to get to work or my step daughter wouldn't be able to be cared for properly. I told Kia this and still they refused to get me a rental while they actually got to the root of my car problem and addressed it. Instead they said sorry to hear that, we can't find any problem with your car. They actually let me leave with a car they KNEW was dangerous and about to fail. They didn't care that my family was going through a serious medical situation with my step daughter and the car behaving as it was only increased the stress on my entire family during this time. Fortunately my step daughter got her transplant just in time and is doing ok now. Not only did Kia sell me a defective product but all this happened as our family is going through the stress of a child being deathly ill, lots of additional costs for medical related expenses and Kia was told this and didn't care. Kia added thousands of dollars to my already stressed finances by selling me a defective vehicle. But it gets even better. The Kia rep in Arizona named Steve that handles my case and many others actually told me on the phone that some of Kia's cars die early and that's just the way it is. He insisted all other car manufacturers have the same problem and also refuse to repair the vehicles leaving their customers screwed too. That's certainly not my experience nor that of anyone I know. Steve at Kia flat out told me Kia isn't going to pay and I'm out of luck because I got a bad Kia and have to eat it. That's what he said. That's Kia’s customer service that said that to me. I have to shake my head and laugh every time I call Kia and their recording says "Rated #1 in initial quality 2 years in a row!" Yeah, and dies in 78,000 miles and Kia refuses to make a full recall or honor it's warranty. You won't see Kia winning any customer service awards or vehicle longevity awards. My advice to anyone that has a Kia (ESPECIALLY if it's a 2.4L) is to trade it in and get something other than a Kia before it dies and your left paying off a car that doesn't run. I liked Kia at one time or I wouldn't have bought one. What I've found out since has opened my eyes to the quality of their vehicles and their denials of their own manufacturing defects even if it could cost lives or severely screw consumers over financially. Buying a Kia might make you think you're getting more quality for less money but it's all based upon lies and cover-ups. That is my Kia experience and it's the WORST experience I've had with any company on any level at any time in my 31 (47 - 16) years of driving cars.

[@dallonhorman6250]

Shit just happened to mine today. Your post doesn't look promising on Kia fixing this.

[@jt8280]

I was just about to purchase a Kia Forte, thanks for your experience...junky scrap metal, no wonder you don't see them on the road. Dealers will drop the oil pan and just replace the con rods and try to resell it, beware !!

[@marklozano9295]

just happened to me today at 112,000 miles with same response from Kia. did you ever repair vehicle? I begun teardown of lower half today and will find out which one is the culprit. I suspect cylinder #1 bearing.

[@jim5532]

Replaced with used 60,000mile engine thru Kia for ~$5500 after MUCH negotiation. Don't accept their first quote!

[@marklozano9295]

@@jim5532 Kia didn't want to budge from their $7,000 price tag. My friend told me he will help me rebuild with his machine shop buddies. Let's see where it goes. Trying to spend as little as possible as I am still paying for this car with a year to go.

[@marklozano9295]

Update on the rebuild. After teardown, the culprit was cylinder #4. Spun bearing but was able to save the crank. Had to replace the rod. Resurface and polish crank for oversize bearings. Head redone, new rings, timing chain and pump chain. And gasket set. Thanks to my buddy Martin for the hookup. Just have to put it together now.

[@travismcclure5792]

@@marklozano9295 how much did the parts end up costing ? I too have a 2012 kia sportage lx awd with the same problem you want to take a guess on how many miles 112k unreal

[@mohabz888]

@@marklozano9295 I have the same engine and I'm starting to hear it at 105k miles it's hadn't completely gone yet so I'm gonna need to change it before it gets any worse

[@garniful]

I have heard that kia and Hyundai use the same identical 2.4 L engine for more than 40 cars like Sonata, Santa Fe, Optima, Tocsan, ... Repeatedly in so many year models.... So according to if that is the case, and it is true Then, it is easy to find other useable engine or engine parts

[@UR6]

wich oil you use ?

[@SerenoOunce]

The bearings were not machined properly. Oil isn't the issue.

[@D______]

Same thing happened to me but mine at 78,000 miles. Never ever buy a Kia or Hyundia ever again.

[@user-vm4bi3uy4w]

Unfortunately i think you need a new engine unless you haven't probably already figured out anyway! Sorry!

[@D______]

Kia has recall sc147 for specific engines but not MPI engines even though the engine problem has NOTHING to do with the fuel delivery method. Of course Kia did nothing for me either. They stated they have cars that are just crap and die early and deal with it. Kia doesn't give a shit.

[@D______]

Kia vehicle engines are known to last less than 75,000 miles. This I'm told from a Kia represenative.

[@MrBlaze256]

ive got 200k miles on my forte 2.4 I use walmart brand 10w40 oil

[@MrBlaze256]

10w30 i mean

[@zabryant01]

2011 Kia Sorento 2.4 theta ll (2) MPI (not GDI) has 182k so far and only had to replace control arms and that's it so far! And know someone with the same engine that has a 2006 Hyundai Sonata (before they replaced the mpi version for GDI version in the 2011 models) and it has 162k so far and is doing okay for now. And my aunt has a 2015 Kia Optima LX 2.4 theta ll (2) GDi with over 100k (can't exactly remember how much but I think it's around 115k) and no issues so far... I have seen some on the side of the road so there is a known issue just not everyone and as of 2019-2020 Hyundai-Kia is now finally giving all owners no matter if you're the 10th owner and it has 300k on it a lifetime warranty on all Theta 2 engines from 2011-2019 for ever!

[@minoxidilbeard9344]

@@zabryant01 source?

[@zabryant01]

@@minoxidilbeard9344 from many new sources online you can clearly see as far as the lifetime warranty extension is concerned. Hyundai dealers also say that the short block which includes the rod bearings which often are the cause are all covered under the lifetime extension not only that it’s gotten to the point where they’ll approve anything related to the matter. We just recently bought a sonata as well and they said not to open the panoramic sunroof that someone done that on the highway while in motion and it flew off (owners manual warns against this) but Hyundai covered it but told our dealer to start telling customers not to do that. Hyundai will cover these it’s not a big issue anymore like it was in the beginning. And how am I supposed to show sources from my friend?. Here is one source from Hyundai’s home country which will tell you. m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/article.asp?newsIdx=276996