2014 Personality Lecture 21: Performance Prediction (Biology & Traits)

University of Toronto PSY230
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April 1, 2014
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[@eyesofthecervino3366]

I love how Peterson is always saying if you are high in agreeableness you should work with people, and I'm just sitting here, super high in agreeableness and introversion both, like . . . yay. . . .

[@biggyboris5540]

here, have my like :)

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

@@biggyboris5540 Oooh! Validation!

[@jacobnussbaum2309]

Hey you can still work with people. You can find a role that works in the service or care of very few people over an extended period of time, like a personal support worker. You can grow to be comfortable in your relationships and don't worry about having to build many new relationships, but still have a people-oriented focus in your role.

[@Jules-nv4ht]

@@biggyboris5540 😂😂

[@personallothus473]

Work with people in a small scale. I'm working in a space with 3/4 people, and it's been fine. I think you might want to look for small squads and that might help.

[@indysjumparound9743]

I’m not even in his class, not even a student and at the end I had a 3 second anxiety moment when he talked about the final…🤣🤣🤣

[@mpcc2022]

This is the Jordan B Peterson I admire.

[@IVIicro]

Yea its a shame that he has 7m subs and only 84k ppl see these videos. The people that have just picked him up over the last year or so have no clue this is when he was great. I wish he'd get back to being a scientist.

[@JeffMTX]

What would you do different than him?

[@madwilliamflint]

Damn. Could you imagine taking a course from a professor that elicits applause at the end of the lecture?

[@bq1104]

ive never seen it happening before

[@casgroentjes3265]

It's done after every lecture in my country

[@madwilliamflint]

@@casgroentjes3265 Thats a little silly.

[@davyroger3773]

@@madwilliamflint Why? Isn't it just as silly to race for the door as soon as the professors time is up?

[@rubenpartono]

@@davyroger3773 It's silly because no way in hell we actually believe that most lectures call for an applause, or the standard for applause is very low that it loses a lot of meaning. When every lecture gets an applause, it sounds like the standard for applause has drooped so low that no applause would mean that it was an extremely bad lecture.

[@mpcc2022]

I honestly get more excited when I find out something is not true, thank you Jordan B Peterson.

[@ZachJenkins]

29:08 Dr Peterson summons his shadow to explain the questionnaire rule

[@lorenzo249]

IF IT'S A QUESTIONNAIRE!

[@ediciushawthorne7389]

Love it

[@kevinc721]

😂🤣😂

[@Keggplant]

I like how at the end of a lecture the students clap to show their appreciation. I feel the same urge

[@wojakwoes3970]

This man is so full of truth, he completely destroys the grifters like Duckworth and hundreds of others.

[@jimhendricks88]

Having great presentations like these available online does, at least to some degree, negate the relevance of paying huge tuition fees to get a university degree. Cheers!

[@virgil6892]

i'm european, not even from a no university fee country, and i still don't get it why people say it's abnormally high. i thought the higher pay there would balance out on the higher tuition fees. in my country and the surrounding afaik there's a price that you should be able to cover in 2-5 years depending on the quality of the uni itself. and even that is ignoring the benefits of people with abnormally high grades from the state, like no dorms rent, FREE TUITION or considerable amounts of pocket money. and these balkan countries i'm talking about aren't even that rich or developed, certainly not better off than the US. are university fees that bad in the states?

[@jimhendricks88]

@@virgil6892 many Universities in the United States charge more than $40,000 USD per year

[@agookchild]

I listen to these lectures while I do chores around the house. It really helps.

[@KipIngram]

38:05 - Wow; that whole business about the journals refusing to publish replications is terrible. The whole scientific method relies on replicability. You'd think that maybe they'd publish the first 3-4 replications, and then maybe we could say "Ok, we don't need more of this." But consistent FAILURE to reproduce an earlier published result? That IS new scientific knowledge - it's saying "some of our scientific knowledge is incorrect." That's knowledge. Those policies undermine the integrity of the scientific process in a major way, if you ask me.

[@roddydykes7053]

Wow this was an incredibly practical lecture. I’ve watched nearly all of his content from 2017 onward, and those are very interesting. But this older 2014 one, he focuses a lot on what works and what doesn’t in the field of science, and recommendations directed at young people, early in their careers or education.

[@nathanchoi3763]

That story of "grit" is inspirational, interesting, and useful.

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

I had a professor like JBP at SCSU in CT (acronym soup). He is a philosophy professor but they would be fast friends. He is a virtue ethics guy who really didn’t cater to students or SJW ideology. Volkman was his name.

[@christianhorvath791]

We are here because Peterson is one of a kind.

[@KevinS47]

Higher education institutions today (unfortunately) motivate their researchers/students to produce as many research papers as possible, since they earn profit based off of the number of papers published per year, instead of the actual quality of the research that has been conducted. I know this for a fact, since I've met plenty of professors who's only purpose is to do useless research that contributes at a factor of 1 to the actual discovery and understanding of new knowledge; and note that new knowledge (discoveries) is not necessarily useful (for the moment being), but it adds to our understanding of the way things work. As you said, on average today, about 97% of corporations and institutions' output is to keep themselves running.... This is disappointing. Incredible lecture and insight as always by the way; I can't believe how many things I am currently learning from just watching your videos... Thank you.

[@matthewjohnson3764]

Dr Peterson Many thanks for your wonderful videos. They enrich my life nearly every day. I will take the liberty of calling your attention to the fact that the "phenomenon" is the singular and "phenomena" is the plural. Warm greetings from Hamburg, Germany MJ

[@rolandcucicea6006]

He's Canadian so perhaps in his dialect it's common the way he said it.

[@Deprived_Dolphin]

I wish I could have been your student. But watching your videos is as good as it will get.

[@FayeDancingCloud]

Thanks for sharing your work with the public, Dr. Peterson! "The final exam is not cumulative" were some of my favorite words as a full time college student working full time on graveyards to cover my tuition. I had very poor retention as you might imagine! I'm wondering now after hearing this lecture, what you think about personality changes - I intend to search that as a key phrase, next!

[@maguszeal5818]

Sadly Ive Really really needed to hear that advice about job seeking. My parents burnt me out saying I needed to spend over 8 hours a day looking for work. And expect results within the month. But I burnt out in like a week and a half and ended up stuck in retail with a IT degree. I really needed to hear this s I could do two hours a day for 6 months easy. Even burnt out. Who knows maybe it will change me.

[@antmayfield]

That's hilarious because I've also been watching talks by this Duckworth woman on grit hahaha

[@cms2037]

I'm studying psychology and also fell into that trap... till I studied psychometric and saw his lectures

[@michaelmurphy2628]

@@cms2037 oo look is new shoes k I imk

[@jeremiahm3765]

Non-cumulative final. What a guy.

[@kevinjjohnson]

More interesting and clear thinking!

[@alexvance3896]

Brilliant, thank you Professor Peterson!

[@rolandcucicea6006]

Imagine if he was a rapper. I'd love to listen to his dis tracks.

[@maguszeal5818]

Some dude did a musical redo of these lectures. It's not rap it's closer to EDM or trance. But it's on KZbin look up jpwave. Some it's pretty cool.

[@GarnonEre]

Love returning to these, so good.

[@CuddleStories]

@15: very important knowledge for job seekers!

[@MerlinDeLyon]

this one was quite tough to follow, a whole bunch of things i believed got demolished very interesting tho, i'll watch it more to have time to reflect on it

[@MerlinDeLyon]

@@blakebunch4485 who are you

[@endgamefond]

now he looked so much better. like reverse his health

[@Cinderella227]

Superb lecture! Thank you! ✝️❤️

[@martynakumka5175]

18:15 - Looks like Peterson is predicting future ;)

[@ChrisSchiebelbein]

Interesting that on the "driving" survey that it was roughly broken into 3rds, this group seems at least to be roughly aware of their driving skill ;) pretty cool

[@thorinhannahs4614]

These lectures are amazing and informative. I have learned so much from them. Now I only wonder if this journey into psychophysiological knowledge is supposed to feel like being thrust into an abyss of which there is no escape.

[@thorinhannahs4614]

@@blakebunch4485 It is very much still an abyss. The knowledge feeds a hunger that won't ever be satisfied.

[@nietzschesmuse]

I have been searching for these lectures like a stalker! Thank you so much!!!

[@alexbowen7233]

Love the ad for the unisex poster

[@JeffMTX]

They say “if you want something done and done fast, give the job to a busy person”

[@shadowninjaify]

Ha. Glad he got that dumb lady about Grit.

[@curtisjackson5793]

damn I'd love to see those slides!

[@Puss1man]

Love him

[@mycolorfulpalette]

10:29- Pursuing a career in Psychology

[@samhouston2646]

Angry Peterson makes me happy. I like when he tells it like it is.

[@diegomanuelfontanezferreir3451]

Hurray Engineers!

[@kaunisrumilus]

This fucking shit should be teached already in high school. Wtf! I've been hurting myself mentally because I'm making so dumb choices and shit about literally these choices.... Like jesus. I'm naive and know very little.

[@Gr8tgadspy]

Is applauding at the end of a lecture common in Canadian University? I don't remember any classes in America ending with it. Either way it's well deserved if Dr. Peterson is the Professor.

[@DailyCorvid]

That's classical Lobster dominance man, the Alpha Lobster ..... Well, he's no joke man when he speaks to Lobsters they damn well clap! Lol. I can't say I have ever applauded a live lecture in my life, but then again I never had one like one of these. Peterson is a treasure, future generations will revere his common sense as well as his wisdom. But in our time we just think he's a great dude to learn from.

[@karyonemos]

39:00 "Most of Extraversion is just Neuroticism" Didn't he want to say something else? Amybe Most of low self-esteem is just neuroticism?

[@karyonemos]

@@statistics2143 Thanks. I expected nothing else would make sense.

[@Gameboob]

Huh good catch. I was just trying to force myself to agree with his statement but I think you're right now having watched it again

[@orangeOHJAY]

Dr. Peterson roasting Angela Duckworth and Daniel Goleman here 😂😂😂😂 damn mannn i liked their books too

[@rstallings69]

Great- what of the big 5 ( or 10 subtraits) correspond to emotional stability?

[@whiteshadow59]

I'm 1 on conscientiousness and 86 in openness. Trying to my hardest to get into honours in psychology. Its been a hard road

[@mpb1799]

Wasn't self-esteem coined, or first defined by William James?

[@clementdoo]

You know he’s about to get serious when he take off his blazer.

[@717379]

“... Hooray!... Go... Go engineers. 😏”

[@njp101]

Please link to article talking about reports submitted to medical journals had to be wrong because of statistical improbability.

[@akselk12]

24. minute is very important discussion

[@yezibei7548]

I love watching older Jordan Peterson lectures because he looks so fat and depressed in them. “She got a MacArthur Genius Grant!” *chugs more coke

[@ezequielramirez1858]

Min 11:40 he talks about 3% avarage being the most precice, someone could help me to know were did he get the statistics? Or if you have any idea where i should search

[@oscardrum92]

As I understand it, he is referring to the stock market. A crude attempt to explain it in three sentences would be something like this: The average 20yr return on SP500 companies hovers around 7% (after inflation, avg 3%). That's usually considered the industry standard for deciding if a long term investment on a particular stock is worthwhile. Otherwise, you'd be better off buying other, less volatile and more secure, assets (such as government bonds: 5%/yr avg).

[@ezequielramirez1858]

@@oscardrum92 So you at least get to inflation, interesting, I would search studies on avarage 20yr return, thanks for taking the time to respond

[@4DIVID7]

38:10 42:30 47:00 49:00 1:03:00

[@elijahwilliameby2030]

He starts out so somber.

[@JosephMcdonald-xz5js]

Idk y I like his old work better than who he is now Idk why.... Probably just the fame layering... I love the sincerity he has still kinda being jus a school teacher ...

[@FerrelFrequency]

49:20 “Difference between BOOK smarts and STREET smarts…” What is intelligence? How much is effected by personality? I believe, SMART… Is KNOWING when YOU’RE DUMB. You don’t need the BEST personality for that, but…I mean it does take a CERTAIN kind of person to get there…😌 SITUATIONS, can MAKE a person, at a TIME, WHEN they were “dumb.” Intelligence is RELATIVE. Time and experience define RELATIVITY.

[@Arunav100]

So, are psychometric tests useless? That "supposedly" helps employers to find out what candidates they will hire?

[@under0ath109]

Why do these videos all have adverts now? They didn't before.

[@SuckYourBone]

40:00 self esteem meme

[@surelock3221]

"Bullies have inappropriately high self-esteem" hory shet m8

[@houstonenfield630]

1:05:03

[@indragesink]

Optimism and pessimism don't exist, promotion and prevention don't exist.. I wonder what that means.

[@indragesink]

@58:40 "extraversion is associated with optimism"... (among other things).

[@PH34RB]

Wondering the same, best I could find: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0065260108603810 Not an expert, seems like some carrot/stick regulation behaviour stuff

[@AthenaTheWolf]

1:00:44

[@mahonrimartins1767]

47:43 That is a new one... I did not know Dr. Jordan had that theory about psychopathy. Is often romanticized as a special breed of human by psychyatrist.

[@idworkhard]

You talk about personality types such as agreeableness, neuroticism, conscientiousness...have you come across personality types that are amalgamations of each? For example, agreeable but yet neurotic at the same time?

[@ChrisSchiebelbein]

This is a decent test for the big 5 www.outofservice.com/bigfive/ This is a far better resource for descriptors than the one that will be provided at the end of the test en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

[@karmacounselor]

thanks for that link!!

[@surelock3221]

Good replies, but I'd like to add that from the outside looking in, it can be easy to confuse between the traits in certain instances. For example, a very disagreeable person might not enjoy arguing with people about politics because the person might also be extremely introverted and feel that it's not worth their energy to keep the debate going. An introvert could also hide their neuroticism from others if their introversion prevents them from expressing their emotional instability, but the instability is still there under the surface.

[@rstallings69]

Yeah you can be any combination of the above but some tend to be negatively correlated like neuroticism and extraversion from what ive gathered-me i am hign in neuroticism (sadly) but high in agreeableness

[@chriscotton4207]

Lol you mean manipulative?

[@lorenzo249]

59:54 "They can be a little on the "CALACE SIDE"? lol i am an italian so i did not understand that one. If someone would reply to me i would be very grateful.Thanks.

[@thinkingmachine354]

FayaShark Radio he’s saying that they can be a little rocky/hard/tough/hard/cold to engage with. I don’t know if that helps. I also find it a little funny because I’m disagreeable myself.

[@lorenzo249]

​@@thinkingmachine354 thanks to you both; i am disagreeable and stubborn only in my rap lyrics. With people i tend to be very agreeable but lately my disagreeable dark side is having more of a glimpse of authority in my "personality prism" lol. Probably i have suppressed my will of leadership in the past to simplify things at the minimum for others but i also see that people tend to prefer explaining themselves in every single detail of what they want to say. Said that, i probably have to work more on my own objectives and ignore their slowness of processing sentences and infos since there are some things that after you have achieved them, people will respect you waaay more than you would ever think. So my synthesis skill would be appreciated more and friends would listen to me as much as i would like to. Just dropped that one out only to share my situation, you never know who i might help. Even you lol. Have a nice day! By Lorenzo aka Fuoco.

[@karmacounselor]

59 minutes in...the most important thing of all!!! eat brekker (and not a french one)...canadian breakfasts make more stable people...french sugar and coffee breakfasts are terrible for sustained energy..

[@rhecebroussard1983]

Everything JBP says here is absolutely terrifying

[@RonJohn63]

He talks *fast.*

[@vu3atg835]

59:00 getting fired

[@GrantJolanta]

Just wondering- can’t bully’s feel good by hurting someone because maybe they got rejected by their family or something? So to deal with pain they bully

[@GrantJolanta]

@Timothy Clark i just cant help but think the reason theyre compelled to pick on someone is to release their own hurt and pain you know? bring others down to make themselves feel good higgher better... ect

[@Individual_Lives_Matter]

元気ですか Probably happens but some people are just arrogant assholes.

[@fratertenc7589]

Jordan's mind seems to work the same way mine does, often going off on tangents and looping back to what he was originally thinking/talking about. I guess it's good that I can watch his 400 level course videos and understand everything he's saying when I have no college education at all... I'd study but I'm already 26 and I'd need a PhD in psychology to really apply it clinically, as 'social worker' doesn't really interest me. Good stuff, hope to find more videos by him. I like the combination of his being 'conservative' politically, but in a practical way - he doesn't cling to ideologies , and liking Jungian psychology.

[@karmacounselor]

It is never too late...if you can think like Doc Jordan, then the world needs you...

[@Theclasshole]

Truth be told it's not 400 level. It's pretty basic, and he makes it really accessible. The literature he points towards is a bit more cloudy, but not at all impenetrable.

[@RawRepiCfaiL1]

Hons student here. Truth be told 400 level and beyond are still 'basic' as you say. Throughout my time at uni i never felt a significant rise in difficulty. Its all about application of what you learn

[@DecodingDoom]

Is this really 400-level? I thought I was watching 100-level. This basically seems like an Introduction to Psych course. A very demanding one, expected of a world-class university, but nonetheless very introductory.

[@Theclasshole]

@RawRepiCfaiL1 True, all about application. I've often attended classes that were on a fifth year of any given career path, and understood 90% of it. It only ever gets really specific and in-depth, but usually not difficult. It's not about not understanding any given class, it's about assisting to all classes of a particular subject, and adopting their respective thought processes, and connecting the ideas between them. The only things that get really out of your way are hard sciences, like Algebra III for engineers, or Pathological Physiology II for medical students. Those, I didn't get jack. But social sciences hardly ever get actually unintelligible (well, advanced economy also bested me, I felt like I was a toddler).

[@khairyfarhan]

Does anyone know the name of the course?

[@nicholasronyecz7986]

I think it's 'Personality'

[@Jerb116]

If working memory, distinguishable intelligence, iq and executive function are the same thing. Does autism impact all of this? Is that why it impacts social skills so negatively too?

[@jacobnussbaum2309]

Peterson did a podcast on the Intimations of creativity with Dr. Barry Kaufman and I don't remember the timestamp, but they referenced at one point that there are neuro-atypical disorders like ADHD (and I think autism?) that seem to not test properly for intelligence, and that their IQ score isn't reflective of their intelligence, and these anomalies are not well studied.

[@Jerb116]

@@jacobnussbaum2309 Thank you for your reply I look forward to listening to that podcast and digging deeper into this subject.

[@jacobnussbaum2309]

@@Jerb116 no worries! It was just a momentary point like halfway through, and I don't have a timestamp but it's still a good listen!

[@lordhogarth]

Minute 28:00, nice take-down of that idiotic Duckworth book on grit, or rather GRIT!

[@danhaas]

I take exception to Peterson’s form of hyperbole which takes the form of “If X, your chances of Y are ZERO.” He doesn’t say that here, but a similar figure of speech, also technically untrue. I think it waters down his credibility. There’s no such thing as self-esteem? I say bullshit. And I’m not unappreciative of his point that for measuring purposes and predictive value, other measures/metrics may have advantages. But come on! Self-esteem is a thing. It is an element of self awareness or lack thereof. It’s a matter of self approval or disapproval, and one may be right or wrong about it. He makes some great points here, or at least some proposals for listeners’ consideration. Does the schoolyard bully have unduly high self esteem, or is he compensating for a low self image by physical or verbal domination or abuse? I like that question. The other major assertion to which I take exception has come up before in his published talks. Is there such a thing as emotional intelligence? He says no. In other talks, he also denies the concept of multiple intelligences. I’ll just say here that I think the theory of multiple intelligences is worth considering. But oh hell yeah, there is such a thing as emotional intelligence. Object if one wants to the label. I think a better term would be emotional maturity, and better still, emotional teleosis. Damn right that’s a thing. And using the same techniques he and other psychologists use to measure things like neuroticism and openness, high marks in emotional teleosis would be an excellent predictor of success in relationships, just as IQ and trait conscientiousness (diligence) are valuable indicators of potential academic and career success, factoring in other dynamics. He may be right that the Big Five are the biggest five. What’s number six? And is there a reason to limit psychometrics to innate traits and exclude learned character traits? I’m a living example - living proof - that emotional maturity is a thing. Not at all saying that I’m a master at it; it’s a spectrum. And I assert that the measure of it will be due to both nature and learned outlook and corresponding behavior - experience, “nurture.”

[@AcharyaChanakya108]

Facts (or data) don't care about your feelings.

[@kc_evans5323]

Who is House 56:58

[@Anna-qz6xw]

What are some examples of disorders that disagreeable and neurotic people can have? (especially, if low extroversion is thrown into the mix)

[@rstallings69]

As an MD not a psychologist im gonna go with the following - schizoid, schizotypal and narcistiic personality disorders and perhaps obsessive compulsive disorder, i assume some of the others like depressive disorders and psychotic dosorders can fall into.this category sometimes but not sure- neuroticsm could lead to depression thru internalizing negative emotions ?

[@giovannachukwuma3475]

30:10 Grit doesn't exist 49:00 Practical intelligence does not exist

[@Antigashlighting]

Bully:high self esteem

[@Chris-cf2kp]

Who wants to make a study group for Thursday's test? I recognize this is an extroverted proposal, but any of you trait specific types are welcome. Don't make me pull you neurotic types out of your self imposed isolation, I know you need to study instead of watching youtube videos all night. Alright, see you at the study session.

[@yawnhiccup]

why steal content?

[@justexpressingmyself397]

Ah to those who had bad grades in school...we are just creative dont worry not stupid. Nikola Tesla was creative i wish to had knew some people from that time who had good grades but history dont talk about them

[@Ali.Abdulla]

...right buddy.

[@Ali.Abdulla]

@@statistics2143 Exacty. Bad grades have nothing to do with creativity..

[@DecodingDoom]

I feel you're doing Emotional Intelligence a disservice by presuming it's just a combination of the big 5. Intellect and personality seem to be two different "organ systems" of the human psychophysiology. Perhaps "Emotional Intelligence" is the wrong term. It seems more like there is Linear Intellect and Non-Linear Intellect (presumably associated with the strengths of the Left and Right Brain) and Non-Linear Intellect is much better for controlling emotional reactions and reading the emotional reactions of others, and mediating social conflict, all attributes given to EQ by the journalists, as you say. This is just theory: I'm not in a position (yet!) to conduct my own experiments. Nonetheless, it is clear that people very gifted in Linear fields are still horrible in Non-Linear activities like socializing, and gifted sales-people and orators can be terrible at things like mathematics and other Linear pursuits. There is a clear dichotomy, whatever else you might want to argue, between those two fields.

[@Theclasshole]

I thought that the "Left Brain-Right brain" theory had been mostly long debunked. (Edit: Here, have this, the originator of the theory said it had spiralled out of control, the interview is really interesting braindecoder.com/post/neil-degrasse-tyson-elegantly-debunk-right-left-brain-myth-1120713524)

[@cholakicha]

1:06:35