2016 VW Golf R vs 2016 Subaru WRX STI

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Engineering Explained

Engineering Explained

8 жыл бұрын

2016 VW Golf R vs 2016 Subaru WRX STI
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Comparing the 2016 Golf R to the 2016 Subaru WRX STI. The Golf R features a 2.0L turbocharged I4 engine producing 292 HP and 280 lb-ft of torque, while the STI features a 2.5L boxer 4 cylinder producing 305 HP and 290 lb-ft of torque. The Golf R is a practical hatch with plenty of cargo space, and refined both on and off the road. The STI features an AWD system capable of putting the power down better, through multiple LSDs, a rear torque bias, and a front helical limited slip differential as well as a rear Torsen differential.
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@SmellyStains
@SmellyStains 8 жыл бұрын
"I bought a Subaru for its great fuel economy" Said no Subaru owner ever
@harwardwr
@harwardwr 8 жыл бұрын
haha right
@inspired7220
@inspired7220 7 жыл бұрын
"I bought a VW for its honest emissions" Said no VW owner ever
@Th3unknownuser111
@Th3unknownuser111 7 жыл бұрын
my 17 wrx gets 36 mpg on the highway. thats me cruising at 75... i get 390-415 miles on a full tank thats combined hwy and city. but i usually drive it hard so i average 25 mpg
@nthgth
@nthgth 4 жыл бұрын
@@inspired7220 defensive much?? lol no one ever talks about the honesty of their cars' emissions. And most people do not have the diesel anyway.
@nevercedes2070
@nevercedes2070 4 жыл бұрын
Lol cause they can’t say it
@Deutscheautoparts
@Deutscheautoparts 8 жыл бұрын
Came expecting a biased review from a Subie fan...left surprised. Well done.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
+Deutsche Auto Parts just honest opinions. I think the STI is a much better car than the Evo, but since I own one people find that comparison to be "biased." I try to keep points objective rather than subjective. The Golf R is hands down a better daily, but they are both wicked fun in the corners!
@Deutscheautoparts
@Deutscheautoparts 8 жыл бұрын
Yup the MK7 is the first VW to compete with Subaru in the performance arena. All previous generations got blown away.
@840swed840
@840swed840 6 жыл бұрын
You just gained a subscriber from this review, I love when reviewers arent fanboys about a certain brand.
@patriotbarrow
@patriotbarrow 8 жыл бұрын
8:18 "Neither of these problems really have that issue" -Engineering Explained, 2016
@kyle_iverson
@kyle_iverson 8 жыл бұрын
The rear hatch lever built in to the badge on the VW is awesome, I hadn't seen that before. When VW engineers aren't making emissions defeat devices they make some cool stuff.
@danstalter
@danstalter 2 жыл бұрын
Every other manufacturer has created, used, and lied about, emissions defeating hardware and software. Literally, every other manufacturer. All of them.
@kyle_iverson
@kyle_iverson 2 жыл бұрын
@@danstalter and when they aren’t creating cheat devices they probably also make some cool stuff.
@gacobacov1565
@gacobacov1565 8 жыл бұрын
Personally, I would go for the Subaru. Better aero-dynamics, permanent AWD and more badass look ! :)
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
+Gaco Bacov I believe the Golf actually has better aero (lower drag coefficient), or they're very similar.
@inkno701
@inkno701 8 жыл бұрын
but don't forget that drag coefficient isn't everything in aerodynamics, even if they have the same drag coefficient the STI should have better downforce with its massive wing.
@tdawg719
@tdawg719 8 жыл бұрын
+Vegaspsycho yeah that would be better for that 1 minute of the total time you own the car that you're going over 150.
@inkno701
@inkno701 8 жыл бұрын
tdawg719 True that, lol. I know that it's a factory wing and doesn't really make any difference when driving around under the speed limit. But I was just trying to say that a better drag coefficient doesn't necessarily make it a better car aerodynamically. Just look at the streamlined cars from the '30's, they had lower drag coefficients then modern cars but were unstable and unsafe at high speeds. Of course aerodynamics probably wasn't strictly to blame with old tire compounds and suspension designs.
@bcepni00
@bcepni00 8 жыл бұрын
The new golf r does have perma 4wd. They changed it.
@cjshelley14
@cjshelley14 8 жыл бұрын
such a good youtuber. nice job with these videos I love the way you break everything down in a way the average guy like me can understand
@iugey
@iugey 2 жыл бұрын
I was 100% sure I was going to get the golf r but then it snowed where I live and I was really appreciating my current Subarus all wheel drive system, so now I think I'm going to get the STI instead. Subaru all wheel drive is just so confidence inspiring, and I don't want to lose that.
@matthewtheobald258
@matthewtheobald258 8 жыл бұрын
Well done on staying unbiased! I would never have been able to make that comparison.
@oregonphototrekker8894
@oregonphototrekker8894 8 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that this is just a pure review of performance and drive-ability. However, after having owned a base model 2012 VW Tiguan S that I bought new in 2011 (which has a 6-speed manual with same engine as the GTI), I can guarantee I will never own another VW. At 40k, the water pump failed. At around 45k, I got a CEL where VW had to completely change out the intake manifold. And at 60k, the high pressure fuel pump failed, and the VW is starting to run rough - possibly from carbon build-up. Finally, whenever I'm driving over the pass and try to use the washer nozzles in cold weather (like going over the mountain pass and get sprayed with slush), if the nozzles are frozen, a fuse will burn up and I will no longer be able to lock my car doors. An issue that I never had with my old Subaru WRX and STI. And on a side note - the Tiguan is the only car that VW sells in the US that's still made in Germany (not sure about the R), so they can't even use the "it's made in Mexico" excuse. All Tiguans are imported from Germany through the Port of Houston, TX. The Golf R may very well be a top pick in terms of pure performance and drive-ability. But for reliability, I will not even consider the R or any other VW. The company simply hasn't figured out how to build a reliable car yet, and they put way too much electronics in theirs. If you want to spend your free time in the waiting room of a dealership instead of driving, buy a VW. I wish VW had it figured out, but they simply don't. My '88 Jetta was an amazing, trouble-free car, but of course, that was before VW crammed tons of electronics in their cars.
@LiviuPavel
@LiviuPavel 8 жыл бұрын
hands down, such an good comparison, factual, unbiased, no bulls..t You would be great on motorcycle reviews, that industry lacks people like you!
@tomfanshawe6947
@tomfanshawe6947 8 жыл бұрын
Yet another great video. Keep up the great work!
@ZBasic64
@ZBasic64 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, I enjoyed the comparison
@combatwombatt
@combatwombatt 2 жыл бұрын
great review, lots in info in a short amount of time man. thank you for the insight !
@thillyard1
@thillyard1 8 жыл бұрын
It's a bummer that you did not review the DCC R. The adjustable dampers make a big difference. I really enjoyed your review. After owning both the previous and current gen WRX I swapped out to a Golf R back in November and absolutely love the car. If Subaru co Es out with an STI hatch in the future with a newer and better engine I might be interested in Subaru again. But the VW refinement has really won me over..
@alexandrecote7674
@alexandrecote7674 8 жыл бұрын
some of those shots where really nice dude. I see you've been spending abit more time filming! Its paying off.
@Meezo7
@Meezo7 8 жыл бұрын
great video dude...thanks for that info!
@HK.Builds
@HK.Builds 8 жыл бұрын
i had my friends gold R for a week, i drive an STI myself and i can honestly say the golf R is better in almost every single way except for going round the bends. stock im talking about. interior wise the golf is streets ahead. but the biggest thing that i was surprised about was the DSG gearbox in the golf. I'll always go for subarus though because of the aftermarket support its massive. nice review btw and thank u for the video
@Pakman332
@Pakman332 8 жыл бұрын
Just throwing this out there, there is a very large aftermarket for VW as well. Particularly for the GTI and Golf R.
@terrillcooke338
@terrillcooke338 8 жыл бұрын
Very true VW does have a big aftermarket community but i think Subaru's are just more known.
@HK.Builds
@HK.Builds 8 жыл бұрын
***** lol i feel u, a lot of college kids have them where i live, doesnt feel as unique as an STI to me
@HK.Builds
@HK.Builds 8 жыл бұрын
Pakman332 i just assumed that this new gold R would be a bit tricker to tune because its based on a new platform no? i dont really know enough about the aftermarket for these new ones. sorry for my ignorance lol
@Pakman332
@Pakman332 8 жыл бұрын
+UgenixK There are several companies that offer stage 1 and 2 tunes for the new R. The GTI can be upgraded to the golf R turbo (is38) and tuned for that. There are likely bug turbo tunes as well, but I own a mk6 not a mk7 so I'm not fully aware of the more hardcore stuff for this platform.
@spinQubit
@spinQubit 8 жыл бұрын
I own a 2013 STi Limited. If I were to be buying a 40k car today, I would go with the R over the STi.
@bernicar001
@bernicar001 8 жыл бұрын
With that money, id go with the focus rs
@spinQubit
@spinQubit 8 жыл бұрын
even on paper it's not as fast as the R. The interior quality is objectively inferior. To each their own, but I stand by my choice :p
@misku_
@misku_ 8 жыл бұрын
I'm feeling like leaving my comment below :) Very detailed and interesting review. You talk about things that noone does in other video reviews (e.g. gear ratios, types of differentials). Great material - engineer's point of view. Kudos!
@jayenriquez3727
@jayenriquez3727 2 жыл бұрын
Hence the name of the channel engineering explained lol
@speshuLcs
@speshuLcs 8 жыл бұрын
it would be interessting to see a Sti/Golf R/Focus RS/Civic typeR comparasion! Great video 👍
@opl500
@opl500 8 жыл бұрын
A consideration that you're not mentioning - if you live in a place where it snows regularly in the winter, that subaru AWD is pretty nice. It means you can leave your all season tires on and make it through the snow to your destination. With that Golf R, you're gonna be putting winter tires on, when it comes time for winter.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
+opl500 Somewhat. Winter tires will always have better cornering and braking in the snow, doesn't matter if the car is awd or not. The STI will have better traction for accelerating, but stopping is just as important.
@opl500
@opl500 8 жыл бұрын
Engineering Explained Getting stuck in snow isn't fun, especially if you're on a country road with little traffic.
@The29james
@The29james 8 жыл бұрын
but idk about where you live but where i do ( quebec, canada) all season tires aren't legal in winter you must have winter tires
@DozIT
@DozIT 8 жыл бұрын
He is comparing two AWD vehicles in this video
@jjb101
@jjb101 8 жыл бұрын
Hold on... the Golf R also has AWD, doesn't it?
@auracer5145
@auracer5145 8 жыл бұрын
Briliant video, awesome conparison
@sandeshjadhav8804
@sandeshjadhav8804 8 жыл бұрын
Best in depth review
@theenlightenedvan
@theenlightenedvan 8 жыл бұрын
can we have a "that said" counter in the bottom left hand corner please
@Zcs2727
@Zcs2727 6 жыл бұрын
Sergey Suckmeoff he’s doing a comparison video...
@thatmatty231guy
@thatmatty231guy 8 жыл бұрын
I haven't driven an R, but they look mint, my mates GTi was cool but I think you can't beat the rawness of the STi and that handling in bends, no car i've ever driven has such good traction & feel. The STi rocks, on or off-road you can do anything and it takes it haha.
@dwaynebent92
@dwaynebent92 8 жыл бұрын
awesome review
@merog2
@merog2 8 жыл бұрын
The steering in the Golf does not change based on the speed, but it is changing throughout the turning, turning the wheels quicker the further you turn the steering wheel ( resulting in about 1 turn less from full right to full left)
@miguelreyes9647
@miguelreyes9647 8 жыл бұрын
make an update for your sti hatch :) I've been waiting for an update
@worldtravel101
@worldtravel101 8 жыл бұрын
I like your comparisons.
@Bebopin-69
@Bebopin-69 7 жыл бұрын
I currently own an S3 with the dsg. It is a good comfortable car, but when you have owned 3 sti's before , you find the automatic S3 as dull as a monk having a tea. I m planning a return to a true sporty 4door sedan/hatch with a rewarding stick shift box. Sti or R manual. Keep autos for oldsmobiles and vans
@dstackmasta27
@dstackmasta27 8 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, thank you! Aside from the MPG rating, what is the real world mileage you've seen with the two cars?
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
Significant. Golf R is far more efficient.
@vicentecamarena5467
@vicentecamarena5467 8 жыл бұрын
Great video. will you be doing any similar videos comparing the Ford Focus RS to some of its rival vehicles like the Golf R and STI?
@killuh208
@killuh208 8 жыл бұрын
hey man loved the videos and all your videos! could you possibly cover the fiat abarth? I know it doesn't compare to these two cars but I was looking into buying an abarth and would love your opinion! thanks!
@Lunga168
@Lunga168 8 жыл бұрын
Will be interested for an Audi RS3 vs Golf R comparision, reason being they are still based on the MQB architecture. Also a video on scalloped disc brakes please (the RS3 has them!)
@MattMaranMotoring
@MattMaranMotoring 8 жыл бұрын
Great comparison! I'd go Subaru of course but the Golf R seems really nice too. Really want to drive one of these new ones!
@chrismodern5664
@chrismodern5664 8 жыл бұрын
If you ever come to California you can drive mine!
@darkl0rds
@darkl0rds 8 жыл бұрын
"heyeveryoneit'ssubaruwrxfanhere"
@biglilsteve
@biglilsteve 8 жыл бұрын
I love your in-depth reviews!! Waiting on one for the Golf R :)
@benjay2985
@benjay2985 8 жыл бұрын
reason to go for subaru.. DIESEL GATE .. VW should have perma trade embargo's and should really just be shut down.
@bcepni00
@bcepni00 8 жыл бұрын
You know that would be the end of: Audi, Bentley, Porsche, Bugatti, Skoda, Man, Scania and others. Its really not good for VW to be shut down. You would regret wanting that.
@andreasm2882
@andreasm2882 8 жыл бұрын
Even though I drive a Subaru I would choose the VW. It looks better and the interior is much nicer. Plus just doing simple maintenance like spark plugs is easier than the Subaru.
@nickharrison211
@nickharrison211 8 жыл бұрын
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says "that said"
@xXUnoriginalNameXx33Meygaera
@xXUnoriginalNameXx33Meygaera 8 жыл бұрын
LET'S GO STREAKING!!!!
@crisissocoylike
@crisissocoylike 7 жыл бұрын
The Golf R AWD is front wheel drive bias. But, it still functions well for slippery situations for bad weather and performance situation where the rear axle partially engages or torque vectoring. I think this is because the Golf R is really just a super boosted Golf with an AWD. The STI AWD system functions more like an Audi, though. Unlike the Golf R., Audi AWD is always split between the rear/front wheels, with RWD bias.
@Living_galaxy
@Living_galaxy 8 жыл бұрын
nice review
@chriss3594
@chriss3594 8 жыл бұрын
I tossed up the thought of the STi or Golf R. Drove them both. The VW is hands down better. Fast and comfortable. For the similar money you would always lean towards the better interior and bells and whistles. That's why i just got a 2016 Golf R Manual. And i love it.
@CarTechConnect
@CarTechConnect 8 жыл бұрын
just picked up one as well. Lapis blue manual with DCC. will be posting plenty of videos of it in the near future! congrats on yours !
@chriss3594
@chriss3594 8 жыл бұрын
carfreak493 Thanks. You made a wise decision. Did you try the DSG?
@CarTechConnect
@CarTechConnect 8 жыл бұрын
+chris s (christo351) had a dsg mk6 Gti before it. Loved it besides being clunky in traffic. Also driven a few mk7 Gtis with the dsg. They are so easy to drive quickly! Wanted a manual tho and love it!
@JaySkyofficial
@JaySkyofficial 8 жыл бұрын
+carfreak493 Bruh ! I drive a 2016 Stage 1 APR Golf R with MM inserts and Of course full CF APR intake next will be my AWE exhaust build with interior Switch (SwitchPath) than stage 2 bottom line I haven't lost against and STI or EVO yet let alone an M3 lol Golf R MK7 owns in every category for the money ! very proud owner #Salute
@noodleman5088
@noodleman5088 8 жыл бұрын
+carfreak493 nice I have a mk7 gti manual I test drives both but I prefer manual like you I don't regret it it's so fun.
@jayxeno
@jayxeno 8 жыл бұрын
As someone who will be replacing his jetta TDI, I appreciate this video.
@madfiat8932
@madfiat8932 8 жыл бұрын
Braking based torque vectoring is terrible for a performance car. It basically destroys your power and holds your car back. If you want to save tires on a daily, it does the job. But it cuts so much power than you basically don't accelerate much when it kicks in.
@Chris13002
@Chris13002 8 жыл бұрын
I liked the review and think you are not biased at all, but as someone who watches car reviews a lot on YT, being a comparison video, I wish it would have included real world track performance. I see you make videos about how to launch a car, so why not bring them both to a track and actually show us which one is faster on a 0-60 and quarter mile? I understand that these might be brand new cars, and you don't own them, but i'd still love to see more of the "umph" come out, such as exhaust sounds, launches, even internal cabin quality, which I would give to the Golf R hands down... Love your videos and just giving my opinions. :)
@waydigga1982
@waydigga1982 8 жыл бұрын
The fuel economy difference between these 2 are astonishing and speaks to the fact that the STi's engine is very outdated. Why hasnt Subaru bothered to update the 2.5T or adopt a more powerful 2.0T?
@LiviuPavel
@LiviuPavel 8 жыл бұрын
I agree, and my guess is that Subaru doesn't have the R&D budgets of VW, sadly
@waydigga1982
@waydigga1982 8 жыл бұрын
+Liviu Pavel the STi is a WRX on steroids. Its superior in almost every way, yet their very similar. Imo, all they have to is apply the same upgrades to the 2.5L STi engine. If its too costly, cut the STi from the lineup or tweak the 2.0T from the WRX to make more power. The suspension and drivetrain of the STi can remain unchanged.
@antonmull6506
@antonmull6506 8 жыл бұрын
There is a reason why Subaru have kept the same engine for 20+ years. Also, they have develped the new FA20 boxer engine which i think can be found in the new 2015-2016 WRX. Plus, why would they want to change the EJ engine if it is such a good engine? The engine is designed for rallying and if youu look at Subaru's history this engine is actually pretty successful for what it is built for. But that is history and it's 2016 now so there must be some ways of getting better fuel economy
@antonmull6506
@antonmull6506 8 жыл бұрын
You also have to remember that the STI is labelled as a PERFORMANCE car, not a green, economical car. You don't buy a ferrari to save fuel and be green
@notetoselves
@notetoselves 8 жыл бұрын
i agree as well with all the advances in fuel economy even in super duty trucks, subaru should shift interest into creating better fuel economy with the same power output. theoretically this wouldnt be too difficult
@Kraigmire
@Kraigmire 8 жыл бұрын
I love these reviews you do. However, there is one category that you miss, and that is serviceability. I like to do all the work on my cars myself so I am always interested in how easy or difficult it is to do both routine maintenance and more advanced servicing. Do you have to pull half the engine apart to get at the spark plugs? Does this car require a bunch of "special" tools to do anything?
@kcwalkman
@kcwalkman 8 жыл бұрын
Jason, engineering explained is easily the best KZbin channel I have personally come across in ages. thank you so much for making it so.
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
+kcwalkman I really appreciate that, thank you!
@o362436o
@o362436o 8 жыл бұрын
Two clarifications: 1-- the variable steering rack in the Golf R is not "active" aka it does not vary based on sensors, vehicle speed or anything like that. The outer ends of the rack have different tooth spacing that gets progressively quicker at the ends. So the more steering lock you add, the faster the ratio becomes. 2-- helical and Torsen are the same technology
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
+o362436o fascinating about the steering rack, thanks for sharing. Torsen and helical act similarly, but accomplish it in different ways. They are certainly different diffs.
@o362436o
@o362436o 8 жыл бұрын
+Engineering Explained Could you elaborate? My understanding is that Torsen - at least the T2 and T3 generations - uses helical gears just like.. well.. a helical diff. The newest torsens and their spin-offs use planetary gears.. is this the difference you are referring to? What else am I missing?
@namethatisnottakenyo
@namethatisnottakenyo 8 жыл бұрын
I was starting to warm up to the VW until you mentioned the front bias and rear cutting AWD and that it lacks LSDs...
@MatthewSmith-vn1nf
@MatthewSmith-vn1nf 4 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on the Levorg vs wrx for everyday car and potential modifications?
@joeg.965
@joeg.965 4 жыл бұрын
Focus RS car review or comparison would be awesome for the channel
@antoinedoinell
@antoinedoinell 8 жыл бұрын
Both look fun!..just afraid of carbon deposits from VW's direct injection system.
@roomtempcoffee
@roomtempcoffee 8 жыл бұрын
How do you feel about the interiors and options inside compare across the two?
@binyamj
@binyamj 8 жыл бұрын
As an owner of an STI, it's good that you aren't completely biased towards the STI. I own a 2016 STI, and compared to this Golf R, I don't regret my decision at all. I'm sure it's more comfortable, it's seem like the interior is much quieter, and I'm sure the materials are nicer. However, I know the STI will be more fun to drive, in my opinion. Also, I do most of my own maintenance and a Japanese car is so much easier than a German car. The Golf is also very ugly. I would be sad every time I walk away from my car and look back.
@amelkaric4237
@amelkaric4237 8 жыл бұрын
So you Like Cars that have big WINGS... And you like STI Engines that only last for 30-50k Then its great choice for you!!
@binyamj
@binyamj 8 жыл бұрын
Amel Karic The engine only lasts 30-50k? Where do you get those figures from? Why would Subaru warranty them for 60k miles then? Subaru must be losing so much money! I guess all of the STI's that have over 100,000 miles are just lying. How about you learn real facts before spewing out your ridiculous "facts"
@antonmull6506
@antonmull6506 8 жыл бұрын
+binyamj omg u just absolutely wrecked that kid😂 I live in Australia and there are bloody Subaru's from 1994 with 340,000k's on them and they are still running fine. Dont believe me? Look it up on gumtree for lowest price Subaru Impreza
@huzaifaathar9514
@huzaifaathar9514 8 жыл бұрын
do a video on power shift and quick shift
@kevinliu375
@kevinliu375 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this cool review/comparison! I have a question about the Golf R turbo, since it's the same engine as the GTI but hooked up to a bigger blower, that will put more stress on the engine right? So will it compromise the reliability or longevity of the engine? Is a GTI likely to out last n R? Thank you.
@jayenriquez3727
@jayenriquez3727 2 жыл бұрын
Im not an expert on this but I know that the 2.0 on the golf r has a tune design to withstand anything the is38 turbo throws at it. VW engineers know what they design and build! 🤙🏼 hope this answers your question
@juancuelloespinosa
@juancuelloespinosa 8 жыл бұрын
you didn't make any mention of interior equipment, economics, styling, comfort or the infotainment. I would'veliked to hear about that
@internetpolice1166
@internetpolice1166 8 жыл бұрын
We know who wins emissions...right Volkswagon? *wink* *wink*
@vasocreta
@vasocreta 8 жыл бұрын
bahaha. nice
@izoyt
@izoyt 7 жыл бұрын
right, it wins.
@saucemanautomotive8925
@saucemanautomotive8925 4 жыл бұрын
Lol funny. You spelled Volkswagen wrong btw cheers mate :D
@dec-vt100
@dec-vt100 4 жыл бұрын
that car is NOT a diesel. and i am fun at parties.
@nthgth
@nthgth 4 жыл бұрын
Right because THAT affects how much fun to drive it is. (These are not economy cars)
@StanleyLudique
@StanleyLudique 8 жыл бұрын
Good videos, I'd love you to put these cars on a proper scale, since VW was also famous in the past for lying on weight figures and adjusting power boost on their turbos to make up for the discrepancies :)
@EMuybridge
@EMuybridge 8 жыл бұрын
A lot of people compare these two cars based on their day-one performance but what about reliability? These are performance cars that are presumably driven hard. The knock on the EJ for age is also a "pro" in a sense as it is clearly tested and proven. Will the R stand up to the same levels of abuse as the STI? Day-one comparison is a good starting point but how do these two cars stack up after 20 track days? Thanks for your video -- keep up the good work.
@alexmoore5970
@alexmoore5970 8 жыл бұрын
One category you should of added Jason is aftermarket support.
@mkvmyfast
@mkvmyfast 8 жыл бұрын
Both cars have huge after market support. The STI may have a little bit more support since it's still the same 2.5L EJ motor since 2004 though.
@harwardwr
@harwardwr 8 жыл бұрын
should have* dick
@Riazor1370
@Riazor1370 8 жыл бұрын
Still the benchmark for the smoothness of clutch in economy car are Honda Integra and Mazda Miata.
@justindavis5960
@justindavis5960 8 жыл бұрын
I have a question for you. Which is better for your car: being stuck in traffic or going a longer but less congested route? Also assuming that it would take you roughly the same amount of time to reach your destination no matter which route you take.
@cobra454tim
@cobra454tim 8 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I weighed my 13 Legacy 3.6 R limited at work " I work for a winery and we have giant truck scales" my car with a half of tanks of gas was at 3,523, so my Legacy is only about 100 lbs more than the STI.... but I'm making about 265 hp or so with the flat 6. I did order the car without Sunroof and some other junk that I felt would pack the pounds on....
@TrueCanad1an
@TrueCanad1an 8 жыл бұрын
Your Hello Everyone And Welcome was missing it's flare and enthusiasm. Other then that Great video
@sceancrottynesi1638
@sceancrottynesi1638 8 жыл бұрын
Im Italian and i really enjoy watching your videos but id really appreciate if you can give the car information even in kilos, newton per meter and so on... Ill be even grateful if you put them in the description of the video! Thx in advance! :)
@isilanes
@isilanes 8 жыл бұрын
Italian or from any country in green on this map: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_system#/media/File:Metric_system_adoption_map.svg
@sceancrottynesi1638
@sceancrottynesi1638 8 жыл бұрын
+David F when you'll post the same answer named as "engineering explained" i will do as you say... But until then... Bye :)
@Kaisuke971
@Kaisuke971 8 жыл бұрын
Do the conversion every time and you'll see how it affects the overall experience of the video. It gets annoying real quick.
@sceancrottynesi1638
@sceancrottynesi1638 8 жыл бұрын
+Iñaki Silanes thx inaki :) at least you are surely more useful than David... Ill be wrong... But when i compared the datas of the miata i found different values... Such as in power measure and weight...
@sceancrottynesi1638
@sceancrottynesi1638 8 жыл бұрын
+Kaisuke971 that's because i wrote "even in the description" :)
@Neel-1
@Neel-1 8 жыл бұрын
I was in a similar situation but ultimately decided on the Subi since long-term reliability for the Golf is really questionable.
@Neel-1
@Neel-1 8 жыл бұрын
I'm talking about long-term reliability. All of those cars you listed are about ~5 years old or less.
@antonmull6506
@antonmull6506 8 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Artelt Well as you probably heard Volkswagen lied to the whole world about their emissions of certain vehicles, so I wouldn't really fully trust them about the reliability of their vehicles
@No_Lucks_Given
@No_Lucks_Given 8 жыл бұрын
The real question is how excited are you for the focus RS?
@exit07
@exit07 7 жыл бұрын
Since you drove the DSG version of the Golf R, did you noticed any harsh shift on a the lower gears?
@cjshelley14
@cjshelley14 8 жыл бұрын
I love the subaru wrx and wrx sti buttttttt that fin tho >.< God it's so stupid looking. I have a 2015 wrx and I love it. when it snows I go for joy rides because the handling is incredible
@RafleXXus
@RafleXXus 8 жыл бұрын
Im currently shopping between these 2. Probably gonna end up with the Golf R.
@JurgenDX
@JurgenDX 8 жыл бұрын
The Golf is a much better choice overall, Like he mentioned, it is years ahead when it comes to refinement,faster (if you go for the DSG), it's more economical,, more comfortable, better build quality, and since it has a smaller engine it's also cheaper to insure and has less tax each year.
@antonmull6506
@antonmull6506 8 жыл бұрын
to keep it simple if u want the more sportier version buy the STI, if u want the more luxurious version buy the GolfR
@zed4me
@zed4me 8 жыл бұрын
No regrets!
@SeerWS
@SeerWS 8 жыл бұрын
Same here :)
@MrTARIQSs
@MrTARIQSs 8 жыл бұрын
Same :D I own a gti tho but still an amazing car!
@noodleman5088
@noodleman5088 8 жыл бұрын
+|〉 TARIQ k. 〈| me to lol
@Vdub-md2wz
@Vdub-md2wz 6 жыл бұрын
Same :-)
@JeffSmithson
@JeffSmithson 8 жыл бұрын
Great review! I thought the Golf R had the ability to send up to 100% of the torque to the rear wheels (as opposed to being limited at 50%). I was under the impression that on the streets it drives around basically 90% front wheels and 10% rear, then shifts power back as is required for torque vectoring.
@brandonroebuck504
@brandonroebuck504 Жыл бұрын
the haldex system can only send 100% to the rear if their is literally 0 traction on the front wheels (they are suspended or on a frictionless surface); its a marketing gimmick to convince people that its a rear biased system i love the golf (used to have a gti) but yeah, its not capable of 100% rear torque send
@JeffSmithson
@JeffSmithson Жыл бұрын
@@brandonroebuck504 very cool! I did not know that.
@garysandhu5082
@garysandhu5082 8 жыл бұрын
Why does North American golf R not have the Led lights, sunroof or opening centre armrest console? Can anyone answer that? They get these options in Europe.
@coltonkey123
@coltonkey123 7 жыл бұрын
"If you don't really care about the joy of driving a manual..." 😂🤣 Brotha you are FLAMING automatic transmissions! (And I completely agree)
@garyfrench6536
@garyfrench6536 4 жыл бұрын
It's funny as I'm from the UK so spent all my driving life using manuals and I used to feel sorry for guys stuck with shitty automatics. We no longer have shitty automatics and my next car will be DSG as I cannot change in 8 milliseconds. Manual transmission may be slightly more romantic but it's 2019. :)
@garyfrench6536
@garyfrench6536 4 жыл бұрын
He's also driving at 55mph
@nthgth
@nthgth 4 жыл бұрын
If milliseconds are among your priorities for transmission then you were _never_ part of the manual enthusiast crowd
@BowmanOverland
@BowmanOverland 8 жыл бұрын
Very good well balanced review. How's the STi treating you?
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
+westernprelude it's great! Some dealer drama but it's a solid car. :)
@eugenehvorostyanov2409
@eugenehvorostyanov2409 8 жыл бұрын
Good time we live in. So many great cars to choose.
@KnifeFiend
@KnifeFiend 8 жыл бұрын
New WRX takes them both at a 26k base price point compared to 35-38.. Alot of extra cash for upgrades too.
@lancercool1992
@lancercool1992 8 жыл бұрын
I've always thought that the Golf R was the better car among the two. Until I hear it uses brakes to mimic lsd...
@ShyamRonline
@ShyamRonline 8 жыл бұрын
Off Topic. Looking back at your old review videos where you explain features in depth and show us the hardware, i feel the new ones are more superficial. It is this attention to detail that won you your subscribers in the first place. Do not change your style. Thanks
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
+Shyam R it was my whiteboard that won my subscribers, not the car reviews. I haven't forgotten yet! Also, I will continually experiment with the style. If you want a structured format where every review is exactly the same, there are dozens upon dozens of review channels out there to choose from. I won't claim to be the best, find what you enjoy and watch it!
@wHAmEz
@wHAmEz 8 жыл бұрын
Engineering Explained Well said. Keep up there good work
@raminanecke4689
@raminanecke4689 8 жыл бұрын
Can you message or maybe even make a video about the GTI vs the R? I know all wheel drive and more hp but Im planning to buy either and there is enough money difference specially when I then want to purchase my downpipe, exhaust and get a dyno Tune. What would you think is worth it?
@JoJoJoker
@JoJoJoker 8 жыл бұрын
The new Focus RS is a legit car. Between it and the Golf R, I see little reason to get an STi. Those are both made in Germany, unlike their siblings, too! One downside (bring the hate) Ford offered no DCT. It would be extremely quick to 60 and close to the A45 AMG.
@richardremi
@richardremi 8 жыл бұрын
Great video man, both great cars personally, I'd go with the Golf just because of the interior and the 2.0T in it is so much easier to tune.
@Slackboy72
@Slackboy72 4 жыл бұрын
Does a performance car shootout. Decides it on bootspace.
@baileybongo9507
@baileybongo9507 8 жыл бұрын
Is that the US spec Golf? The lights look different to what we have in Australia
@admrob
@admrob 8 жыл бұрын
I've owned a GTI (MKVI), I have an e-Golf and a Volvo V60 T5. I've also owned a Legacy. I'd probably go VW if I could stomach another VW (which I don't think I can) because I'm a grown up and if I want to drive something that'll beat me I'll take out my MG.
@PulledPurk
@PulledPurk 3 жыл бұрын
Parts of my suspension break all the time. I live down a long crappy dirt road that's like a washboard. I drive a 1st gen CR-V. I need something that can take a beating. What cars have durable suspension systems?
@Don0van5100
@Don0van5100 8 жыл бұрын
What speed do you have to be doing to get 1G of breaking within 120 feet? See 2:25 min in your video Do you know what the Evo X breaking is like in comparison
@DavidMaekawa
@DavidMaekawa 8 жыл бұрын
When comparing a Golf GTI vs R, which would you recommend?
@noodleman5088
@noodleman5088 8 жыл бұрын
Well for performance golf r DEFINETLY but for price and performance gti if you have an extra $35,000 go for golf r but if you want to save a lot of money go gti I have a gti. I got it for $26,000 and I have to say I've been beating a lot of camaros and old wrxs lately and it's been fun hopefully one day I'll save up enough money to buy a golf r or even the ford rs with its ridiculous prices over the golf r for having only 50 hp hopefully the prices go down soon when I have enough money because I can't wait to get either one.
@robineifert5550
@robineifert5550 8 жыл бұрын
hi there. i've been torn between the wax and the golf. i was looking into the gti, but realized only the R has the awd. I'm going from a truck to maybe a car. I need something great on gas, safe, reliable, something that will last me a long time, and i live in new york and get a lot of snow so i need something good in snow. I'm hoping the R's and system is good because i'm leaning towards that. However, i hear VW is not very reliable and parts break very easily, and can be costly (coming from my mechanic) just wondering. Really could use the advice. Thank you very much.
@Subaruguru94
@Subaruguru94 8 жыл бұрын
What did you major in college? I love your videos!
@EngineeringExplained
@EngineeringExplained 8 жыл бұрын
+RZamp 21 went to school for mechanical engineering.
@turalhumbatzadeh6506
@turalhumbatzadeh6506 8 жыл бұрын
Could you show New BMW 7 series vs Mercedes S class?
@legostarwarsrulez
@legostarwarsrulez 6 жыл бұрын
Dsg is VWs trump card. It’s just the best transmission in its class. Idk why VW is the only one that puts a dct on their hot hatches. They’re meant to be fast and fun practical cars, and a dct seems like an obvious option to put, since people want to daily drive these things, and tbh manuals are annoying in rush hour traffic.
@TheShaunsc
@TheShaunsc 8 жыл бұрын
Always enjoy your videos! Just got a Mk7 R DSG 3 weeks ago and love it! I was just thinking if you were going to do R vs sti video and there is was.
@StuntTriple
@StuntTriple 8 жыл бұрын
Nice video
@adiby111
@adiby111 8 жыл бұрын
hey you have to explain the difference between tsi and tfsi.
@TheWolvesCurse
@TheWolvesCurse 8 жыл бұрын
could you please use metric units for torque and weight, or at least include them like in subtitles or so
@Michael0697
@Michael0697 8 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised he didn't mention it either, it's an engineering based show, the metric should be before the imperial, if anything...
@Real_MisterSir
@Real_MisterSir 8 жыл бұрын
Agree, metric units are the international standard, and there are lots of people viewing who have neve used imperial units in their lives. I have honestly no idea what lbs, lbft, and mpg translate to in terms of metric weight, torque, and fuel economy, at least not without looking it up, and it is quite annoying actually, especially in vids like these with so many facts and numbers. I hope in the future we can at least have them as subtitles or something :)
@bashar05
@bashar05 8 жыл бұрын
I hope you review a Focus RS in the near future
@hondacivicfanclub8251
@hondacivicfanclub8251 8 жыл бұрын
Why not a civic?
@hondacivicfanclub8251
@hondacivicfanclub8251 8 жыл бұрын
+JoeyandLindsay and in every day since you madman
@HyundaiAccentFanClub
@HyundaiAccentFanClub 8 жыл бұрын
+Honda Civic Fan Club cause the Hyundai Accent is better
@alexs1429
@alexs1429 8 жыл бұрын
What's better Focus RS or Civic Si?
@TheRebuilt1
@TheRebuilt1 7 жыл бұрын
LOL, Hyundai copy paste technology from Koreas finest.
@DJ-zl4fy
@DJ-zl4fy 8 жыл бұрын
Both cars are good but when is time to replace parts for Golf R, Good Luck!.
@eddiebob2619
@eddiebob2619 7 жыл бұрын
If you actually dyno both these cars the golf r has better results. So yes the golf r has more power and more early on torque. Golf r handles better, it was like a 2 min track and was ahead by 2 seconds. So yes the golf r is a better daily driver and a better track car lol!
@aaromon43
@aaromon43 8 жыл бұрын
"if you don't care about the joy of driving that comes along with a manual transmission". couldn't have said it better myself. who cares if the auto is slightly quicker, it's so less pleasurable to actually own and drive. 3 pedals for life.
@d3fc0n545
@d3fc0n545 8 жыл бұрын
what was that c. diff switch that you were using? something about the differential?
@xynurse6095
@xynurse6095 8 жыл бұрын
So the STI has more mechanical grip overall but what about the STI vs TTS.
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