2017 Honda Civic Si Review | Track Test | Edmunds

[@BussinBronco]

Finally Carlos is back! Edmunds give this man a track segment

[@skifree0]

You can COMPLETELY defeat stability control. 1) Turn on car 2) parking brake off and press on the foot brake 3)press TC button ON AND THEN OFF 4) engage parking brake and release foot brake 5) press TC button ON AND OFF 6) KEEP PARKING BRAKE ON and press the foot brake 7) press TC button ON and OFF This works on all 10th Gen Civics (Type R and Si too) You should then get the TC light solid on, and the VSA light flashing in your instrument cluster, it does will reset when you turn off the car.

[@kylosolo6128]

That sounds complicated

[@swanblake]

skifree pass. Way too much. Just get a real sports car

[@swanblake]

Qua Pro Pro right?! Most cars have one button and its done

[@skifree0]

A lot of cars don't let you FULLY disable it. Mark 7 GTI's also do the same thing, except they don't have a convoluted method to fully deactivate it

[@swanblake]

skifree those are all cars I never want to drive.

[@kaibaumgartner7721]

sounds like the engine is completely smacking the rear cross member when launched hard. I'd say put some Hasport poly motor mounts in and it'll dramatically improve launches and responsiveness of this engine and transfer power to the ground a lot more effectively.

[@kevinmorelikekevout3639]

I know this is very late but he didn’t turn traction control fully off and also that was a horrible launch

[@especiallysi5643]

Everything Carlos didn't like you can fix you can turn off the stability control all the way just have to do so some simple steps and when you re flash the ecu the rev hang is damn near gone and you get about 30-40 more whp and ft lbs of torque plus more boooost! For the sound of the L15 cheap way would be delete the muffler and add an intake and a charge pipe

[@MrJOSETACO]

I get 40 mpg out of my 2017 si... on the freeway even more like 45-50. That's why I like it, decent power... great on gas. Overall fun to drive

[@davearancio1661]

Love the SI, I own one that I'm modding. Honda is the best for cheap speed, and good quality. The new SIs are making amazing gains with bolt ons / tunes, and are also a better dd than the Type R. *I owned a 2017 Type R and traded it in for a 2018 Golf R manual transmission* My stock 1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 walked both, lol...with the DSG the Golf R beats the VR-4, I hate automatics though. Long live the SI!!! I'm wondering why it ran such bad times in this video though.

[@davearancio1661]

I have a 94 GSR 4 door project, clean DC2 Type R (NEVER SELLING!), and 91 SI project. Honda's will always be the best for modding.

[@hussguy1990]

Man this thing is really quiet for an si, my 2010 sounds extremely pissed off and I love it.

[@cesarherrera1920]

It is really quiet and that's the main thing I dislike about my SI. Otherwise its a very grippy and nimble car.

[@timmybridges5641]

I absolutely love my SI sedan which I purchased 12/28/17. It is indeed not a straightline muscle car, but it handles almost as well as a Vette (.97 skidpad). I will probably eventually flash the ecu for more power, but this is a really enjoyable car to drive. Some of the gripes this guy made are legitimate, but it cannot be overstated the amount of quality goodness you get in this SI for the money. You simply cannot find a car this good in this price range.

[@goldstandardgrooms2156]

Timmy Bridges thank you for not being a delusional fanboi. I think this car is good at what its supposed to do - be a fun, quick comfortable dd thats also good on gas, in tradition of all SI's. I recently test drove an SI for the hell of it, and couldn't help but compare it to the 1999 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T I had years ago (when it was stock)...Both are fwd and turbo. My 99 eclipse felt faster in a straight line (which professional test numbers seem to back up, but the si is only .1 or .2 slower than the 2g eclipse turbo) but didnt handle as well and wasn't near as comfortable, and also didnt get near as good of gas mileage. Also, the 17 SI was more fun to drive than my gst. Its been years since i drove that eclipse gst, or any eclipse for that matter, but its nice that the civic si is on the market to fill the space that a 2g eclipse would fill if it was still made. Are there other cars in the price range that are faster? Yeah. But you can get an SI for really cheap, and if you don't option it out too much, its probably the fastest and best handling car for the money. I have a friend with a 2017 fk8 civic type r, which isn't a straight line monster either to be honest - I pulled him pretty hard in my bone stock 1996 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 from a dig and a roll, and at the strip he ran a 13.83@102mph vs my 13.31@105mph. Despite that, his fk8 handles *amazingly* and is easily the best FWD handling car on earth. Its a track monster right out of the box - my friend likes it as much as his beloved Lotus Elise S/C, and imo the FK8 handles just as well as the Elise (seriously!). Both the 2017 FK8 Type R and 2017 Civic Type R are cool cars. I do get why people think the SI is useless, but it's for the Honda enthusiast that wants a 'softer' type r, and a fun daily driver.

[@MrGrandetaco707]

Timmy Bridges it only gets .97g on the skidpad with the optional Summer tires which are super sticky which is why it can pull that number but with the stock all seasons it goes down to .88g skidpad

[@300zxttswap6]

Timmy Bridges The SI is definitely a good car for the price, but it depends what you're looking for. Its biggest upside is its gas mileage and handling. I test drove one. Personally, i find it to be more boring than previous models, though it 'felt' faster. Honestly a stock 2g Mitsubishi Eclipse GS-T or especially GS-X would murder this car in a straight line, as would a stock n/a Z32 300ZX (and the Z32 would be more fun in corners, even if the SI runs better skidpad #s) There's the Focus ST and GTI, both of which are faster. The GTI is somewhat boring, but has the luxury interior that makes the SI look downright old. The Focus ST is much more engaging to drive imo. Id rather have a new accord with a manual transmission and the 2.0t engine if i was keeping it stock, those are *faster* than this SI, and the 10-speed auto equipped 2.0t accord sport runs extremely close numbers to the fk8 type r (0 to 60 in 5.5, 1/4 in 14.1@102, car and driver), which runs 0 to 60 in 5.2 and the 1/4m in 13.9@104 (car and driver)...thats only 2mph slower and .2s off thr FK8, and those numbers for the FK8 are the most realistic:kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2eyhmeEi9aib7M - this is what an average driver can expect. Of course, now Hondata is making tunes, and im sure many people will be doing those tunes. Apparently, according to a fanboy on this page, a bolt on / tune / tires / e85 2017 SI will run high 11s, i haven't seen proof, but it's beleivable. Its also very stupid considering you could get a used 2g Eclipse GST/GSX and spend under $700 and run 10s...and the total cost would be well under the price of the cheapest SI

[@jamesg2818]

Carlos is the man! great review!

[@edmundscars]

Thank you for watching!

[@CJ21461]

As a owner of this car I gotta say yeah its not as fast as a Focus ST, but its handling is unmatched compared to the Focus ST which I drove a couple times. Plus yeah 200hp and 200 tq isn't much compared to what like 250 hp and 270 tq in the ST , but once you see your getting 35 mpg in the city and over 40 mpg highway I think its a good trade off plus the finish is 100x better than what Ford offers and less expensive than what ford offers got mine for 24k tax with everything compared to like 27k for the ST, but really the way I look at it is that the Si is a more practical Fiesta ST with better build quality. Drove Fiesta ST to which yeah is a little cheaper not much more though, but it's really small and Sync still sucks so thats just my two cents. Not sure about VW, except that its the most expensive and a little slower than the ST and probably built better then the other two as well.

[@danc1197]

Caleb Johnson. The Focus offers AWD.

[@devn3813]

Caleb Johnson it actually is pretty much as fast as an st because this thing weighs way less and is making about 200 whp

[@devn3813]

Caleb Johnson you could almost get a type r for the price of a loaded st and the si isn’t that much slower than the st because of how much heavier it is

[@johnnybman7125]

@Liam Ross How does one, build an automobile like i hot BROWN SHIT, do they take a shit and model the car after it, do they put shit on the threads of each bolt?? Does a Ford new car smell like a huge shit after Taco bell at 2am in the morning???

[@MJT-DA]

@@johnnybman7125 actually its has no smell because they discontinued the focus rs and st hahaha

[@DL-xf3ur]

You can partially turn off the traction control by holding down the TCS button until it says it has been turned off. However, it isn't completely turned off by doing this method. To completely turn off the TCS, follow these steps: Turn the car to one position Parking brake off Press and hold the brake pedal Turn traction control on and off Parking brake on Release the brake pedal Turn traction control on and off Press and hold the brake pedal Turn traction control on and off After completion, you will get an indicator next to the TCS light saying, "OFF."

[@jimbononeya8376]

Good to see you Carlos!! Love your work no matter where your at!

[@motormusique]

Yes - more Carlos, more track! Do some skidpad and slalom testing comments too

[@edmundscars]

Thanks for the love! More is on the way 👍

[@gsxellence]

I like this kind of testing Edmunds :)

[@edmundscars]

Glad you like it! These track tests are fun, so there will definitely be more to come. Thank for watching!

[@gsxellence]

Thank you so much for the great content :)

[@aluisious]

The 0-60 is funny. When a guy who launches cars all day is getting mid 7s, which is a Camry Hybrid time, you know the engine and transmission are not as great as people want you to believe.

[@CaptainNiiko]

I really like the look of the civic hatchback. Honda did a good job.

[@ALMX5DP]

Me too, I wish the Si were available in that body style this sedan just has a little too elongated of a trunk for me.

[@jesseperrella]

Great video. Cant wait to get my si on the track😁

[@swanblake]

Great review Carlos. Agree on all fronts. Weak engine, and no button to disable stability control. The Elantra Sport has one

[@ALMX5DP]

Blake Swan Carlos never said the engine was weak...

[@tommieboi707]

Blake Swan if the civic si engine is weak then the elantra sport has a hamster under the hood.

[@ALMX5DP]

tommieboi707 Elantra Sport has a 201hp 1.6 GDI engine...

[@tommieboi707]

Alan Bowers ok......

[@ALMX5DP]

tommieboi707 maybe I am confused about what you said then. What was the purpose of your comment? Since the Elantra Sport only has 4 less horsepower, I wasnt sure why you mention a hamster under the hood.

[@subvet3668]

This car should have been tuned better by Honda for performance. It is clear they skewed this car to better fuel economy than performance, with rev hang and cut timing. That is not what people buy the Si for. Hondata tunes clearly show this car has better potential. You shouldn't have to risk your warranty with a tune to make this engine the way it should have been from the start.

[@UltimaRSfan]

Are you guys going to do a track test of the Elantra sport sedan and gt?

[@glovedcop69]

I wonder if the transmission problems of the old have been corrected

[@answerthe5477]

I wonder if the si's gearbox can be transplant into the normal civic 6mt

[@alexlittig7927]

Funny thing is a none SI civic hatchback with cvt and ktuner set to 21 psi will do 0-60 in under 6 seconds. Most runs I've done we're between 5.8 and 6 seconds on flat level ground at 20 feet about sea level. I did get a 5.6 second time but that was slightly down hill. Quarter miles times in the mid 14s. Not bad for a cvt. The cvt is actually much better with he tune. It's actually kinda bearable. I'd still perfer a dule clutch tho.

[@martinhuynh4032]

Why did Carlos leave Motor Trend? Edmunds seems like a downgrade.

[@GOBbluthagain]

You can fully defeat the TC and VSA... it’s just matter of seconds and sequence of the brake pedal and Ebrake trick ...

[@swanblake]

GOBbluthagain or they could have a button like all other cars ever made

[@ALMX5DP]

Blake Swan like the Golf R?

[@GOBbluthagain]

Blake Swan that simple TC button doesn’t fully disengage stability control only the traction control and even that is only off for 1st gear on this car ...

[@scottanders5333]

Wish you'd do your own channel!

[@connermt74]

Type Rs have transmission issues (grinding) during 2-3 shifts I’ve seen. Also these cars bad heat soak their ICs quickly too. Civics clutch pedals are super light - no real feel. Rev hang can be removed with a tune they say. I like em though👍🏻

[@lawdog516]

Did you experience the tranny problems that seems to exist in the Type R ? Some Type R owners are complaining about 1st to 2nd gear grind and 5th to 4th lockout? Thanks for taking the time to do this video.

[@shutupishful]

Joey Segreti only the early models are experiencing this

[@lawdog516]

shutupish, Do you know if Honda put out a fix or is even admitting there’s a transmission issue? My partner went all the way up the Honda chain and they are still denying to him there is a tranny problem.

[@CarlosLago]

I experienced an occasional grind only during acceleration testing, where you're trying to shift as quickly as possible. Could be I was trying to shift too fast. No issues outside of that.

[@shutupishful]

Joey Segreti only fix is to not shift fast lol i dont drive the car hard from stop so not really an issue with me

[@ALMX5DP]

Quite decent for a mild yet sporty front driver. Would like to be able to defeat the traction control, but I'm sure tuners will remedy it if they havent already yet. For reference, I believe the Focus ST runs a 14.6ish in the 1/4 mile. No doubt the LSD in this Civic helps it dig out of the hole to keep that gap relatively close.

[@skifree0]

There is a way to disable it without tuning. It's just not officially documented and convoluted. Though I would probably get an off the shelf flash unit to handle the rev-hang. It is pretty bad

[@ALMX5DP]

Yeah, but that defeat sounds more like an internal diagnostic mode than a actual, usable method to disable TC/VSC. It would get pretty frustrating to need to do that every time the inclination to hoon hit.

[@RelaxAndSmokeMeth]

They took the VSA button away?

[@metaljew4456]

Alan Bowers The gap isn’t even close. As a Focus ST owner (ST3) The seats, leather heated and heavily bolstered Recaro’s steering response: 1.8 turns lock to lock! It goes on and on. As a sports car the Focus will mop up the Si but as an all around car I think the Honda is a much better car. BUT the Honda is a new design. The MK3 Ford is from 2012. The MK4 Focus will be a game changer in this segment. Look for it as a 2019-2020 model.

[@ALMX5DP]

Philip Rosenthale having two evenly powered front wheels is pretty handy, especially when driving in a sporting manner at lower (relative) speeds. I also have a ‘15 ST and it is always wanting to roast one tire away. Being not only lighter but having that critical piece would surely make it a more fun daily in my mind.

[@ehren-foley]

All-seasons or summer tires?

[@MichiganPowersports]

I can't believe the type r engine isn't in the standard civic si and something better in the type r. I don't know why Honda under powers their performance cars. I absolutely crushed a 2019 civic si in my 18 2.7 f150 and I felt bad afterwards.

[@motorcitymanman7711]

There r NO options for the SI other than "Summer Tires" the info in the description is incorrect

[@JasonSmallzYT]

Bro, you gotta do the pedal dance to turn off trac control🤦‍♂️

[@nischintr]

How come he didn’t experience rev hang during the quarter mile runs? Is there a certain rpm range where the rev doesn’t hang?

[@CarlosLago]

I did experience the rev hang, but the goal during an acceleration run is to shift as quickly as possible, not as smoothly as possible.

[@cyu98]

Too late to do the same review but with the 6-6 Accord Coupe HFP?

[@josiahbutler2254]

Only reason it has less attention is because the vtec isnt as loud because its rev limited to 8000rpm and it only had a SOHC, i dont care much for the sound as long as it performs well

[@Grushdevah]

L15B7's are DOHC

[@josiahbutler2254]

Grushdeva oh my bad thats right

[@fhowland]

It’s not a 0-60 car it’s all about the handling .. SIs have always been

[@MrLos84]

You forgot to fully deactivate the TCS!

[@tcjensen1]

Come on man. Gotta launch higher in sport mode because the rear compression of shocks keeps more weight on nose for longer. That’s why you bogged. Had more traction.

[@justin8758]

200hp for a turbocharged engine is so cute!

[@ALMX5DP]

Cababah when you consider it has nearly the same horsepower per liter as a Demon, sure, cute is the word I’d use too, lol.

[@claudio_wrx]

Sergio Aguirre key word: TUNE, bet if I tuned my WRX, the Si would be smoked

[@300zxttswap6]

Sergio Aguirre LMAO. You don't know shit about cars!!!! Love that a STOCK ecu tune VR4 will MOP your fully built gay SI...12.3??? Ecu tune and bolt ons nets mid 11s in a VR4. Dont get me started again. STOCK TO STOCK the FK8 / SI are S L O W.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHeoip6dhL-XeZY

[@Carguylogan]

A 92 mph car with only a tune, intercooler upgrade, down pipe and good fuel picked up 21 mph? No lol, theres a LOT more to it than that.

[@darrylflowers4785]

Honda should put vtec back in the si with the type r exhaust standard that would be bad ass 👍👍

[@sveddish]

It's interesting that the Accord does 0-60 in 5.5 secs without adaptive suspension and decklid wing ;)

[@alecfoster6653]

True; but does it get the same fuel economy? This is still a Civic after all. Call me Stan Kowalski, but if I had my druthers, I'd lose the wing.

[@sveddish]

@@alecfoster6653 what do you mean "still a civic", the Type R is also a Civic? I think the civics are nice cars! No the Accord has worse fuel economy of course. If the Type R hadn't been around, the Si would have gotten 50 more hp to directly compete with Golf GTI.

[@alecfoster6653]

@@sveddish Agreed. And I was not putting down Civics. Speaking of the GTI, we all know that all Honda's are better than VW's from a reliability standpoint. I love solid German fahrvernungen; but the VWs I have owned self-destructed after 100K miles, diligent preventative maintenance notwithstanding. Currently looking at a low-mileage used Si and I think I will pull the trigger.

[@sveddish]

@@alecfoster6653 sounds like a smart move. I owned a GTI MK6 and it was a really fun car. Maintenance was not too bad, only negative was that I had to replace the DSG fluid at the dealer, which was like $300 each time.

[@alecfoster6653]

@@sveddish "Ouch"

[@aaronp9835]

Miss the k20

[@bigwillchill]

my base focus with basic bolt ons does 0-60 in 7 flat on all season tires. just adding some sporty summer tires, I could beat this si

[@NaijaBull]

Lol

[@jeremytolbert9633]

Stop saying “scratch”. Please.

[@ravenstylea2]

15.2 sucks lol. A Toyota 86 does a 14.7 - 14.8 quarter.

[@1bojanbojan]

I got under 7 on dragy gps

[@malakius]

Car is severely limited by Honda OEM's tune. A Hondata tune will liberate that car.

[@johnnybman7125]

But the Honda, commercials say, these civics has sport mode, like it's a new thing, like it helps, like no other cars have it, you know its the commercial with the very short race car driver, it has sport mode, yay yah woot woot

[@riougd969]

My dads car did a 6.02 0-60 and 14.9 quarter mile :/

[@johnnybman7125]

What car does your dad drive, i know it's not an si... Don't lie to me boy........................GRRRRRR

[@Acc0rd79]

This car is almost pointless, it's way under powered and with the Type R what's the point other than to save 10k or less, that would be about it. This car should have 230 to 240hp by now!

[@puga4202]

i think you are overacting to something that did not even offend you or your car at all. He's not talking shit to your Type-R, he's just saying this Si is not attracting people to buy it. My question for you, whats the point of buying both 17 type-r and 18 type-r as they are basically same car. btw, I'm from Canada too, and Honda drivers have bad names here as you may already know.

[@tomsteel8820]

I just bought an Si and absolutely love it. The real world is stopping at traffic lights every half mile where I live and in those instances, you can drive it like a Prius and get over 32 mpg. The seats are super comfortable and real strength of this model is it's wonderful handling on a twisty road. If you live in the north east like I do, the Type R is just not practical. I don't want all the crazy wings and don't need to put tires on every 15,000 miles. The Si is the perfect balance between economical ownership and a fun sports car.

[@vangxiong9643]

Acc0rd79 the si is the best in its class... it's not a performance car like the type r... it's a daily driver that is stronger than most cars but gets 40mpg... u can't beat it, plus when u flashpro it, it gives u 270 torque to the wheels. Honda finally got it right... those old piece of garbage where u gotta redline to feel power r finally gone!!! Who the fk redlines a car everyday??? Smh

[@spike378]

Idiot look up what Si stands for

[@300zxttswap6]

Honda Type-R jesus. The 2017/2018 type r is slow. Very slow. Honda is still stuck in the 80s as far as acceleration, they finally discovered turbos in 2017??

[@joecatetal3889]

not a drag racer mine has a hondata and a downpipe and will eat most cars lunch on twisty roads

[@MrAsh-cw5cq]

It needs Vtec

[@johnnybman7125]

It needs Jesus, Honda is the Devil's car

[@KK-tt6ui]

No vtec and no ridiculous red line too! This car is slow and no wonder there isn’t a lot of videos of this car doing 0-60

[@gladdy02]

This or the elantra sport?

[@planetfabulous5833]

He's hot !

[@lethalpenguin61]

Planet Fabulous so gay

[@300zxttswap6]

The fk8 is toooo slow! Here in s philly we've seen quite a few line up, even modded they get gapped hard. The civic si is a fucking waste of a platform, why does it even exist? A bone stock 300zx na would gap one stock to stock. Hondata needs to hurry up with the tunes, the fk8 runs 14s all day, never seen one in the 13s yet! Apparently they take corners well, but i just keep seeing them fail hard in a straight line.

[@foehammerone]

Flash ktuner 19/23 map problem solved

[@bjornsama9649]

If you want an SI, you're better off with a hatchback sport. Same engine. And price difference is crazy. You're better in an older SI.

[@gigi9467]

totally prefer the old k24, singing at 7500 or so rpms than this shitty 1.5 turbo... just another way gor manufacturers to make more profit

[@0be1Gordon]

Wtf he can’t drive

[@1SlipperyPenguin]

How is my Acura rdx faster then this 😂

[@AliEsko]

I'd gladly take an Elantra sport everyday that ends in y

[@supershark9k708]

Slow and I see no point in this version of the si Honda to me seams to be on a down turn throughout the line up I see nothing that stands out against its competitors Honda has become as vanilla as all the rest in my opinion

[@goldstandardgrooms2156]

Both this and the type r are overhyped, overrated and slow. This car is really slow and like others have said, somewhat pointless. The type r isn't impressive at all in a straight line, but it does corner well. I cant beleive it took honda this long to incorporate turbos into their cars. All civic type rs were never great straight line performers.

[@goldstandardgrooms2156]

Sergio Aguirre lastly, fk8s do not pull on the highway, again my friend owns a 2017 ctr. He was 2 cars behind me at 140mph from a dig, and a car behind from any roll, stock to stock. You don't know what a 3000GT VR4 is do you? We both went to the track, he's in his 50s and a way better driver than me: 2017 civic type r, stock: 13.83@102mph 1996 3000GT VR4, stock: 13.31@105mph Not bad for a car from 1996. Look them up before talking shit. All those mods u listed for a civic si to run 12s is like $2k...a VR4 runs the same for $200! Theres VR4s running 9s. They pull flat 13s stock with good launch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5y5pKSIa5ufmqc Im talking stock vs stock here. Since you're a Honda fanboi, you obviously need to throw mods into the picture because all Honda's are weak in a straight line stock...mod for mod, the VR4 will rape an fk8, dont even try to argue that, you'll sound retarded. I pity you if you bought a civic si. I have respect for the type r, i love driving my friends, it handles amazingly and is a track monster, but runs high 13s all day stock and is mid 5s to 60 vs the VR4s 4.8s to 60 and mid low 13s to 60mph...big difference there. Get over it. The fk8 is the slowest one against the focus rs, sti and golf r. Only the sti would get pulled on on the highway, and even then not by much. Also, mod the sti and the fk8 is eating shit on the track and in a straight line. I raced my friends, i have plenty of seat time in a 2017 ctr. Accelerating is not its strong point, handling is. Youre comment is embarassing all fk8 owners. The 2017 / 2018 civic si is complete shit, and needs tons of money in mods to go fast, and it still will get gapped off a dig, hence why alllll fk8 street racers go from a roll. They cant close the gap from a dig, plenty of vids on here back that up...

[@goldstandardgrooms2156]

Sergio Aguirre i thought you were referencing a previous post i made about my car, sorry. I raced my friends fk8 and made a post on a different page. stock fk8s don't run 108 trap speeds, lmao - you're referencing car and driver, that was a PRE PRODUCTION model. Check out the results of the production model: www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2017-ford-focus-rs-vs-2017-honda-civic-type-r-comparison-test-final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-4 Not impressive. This is what fk8s do stock. Read the article, c/d even says the previous car they tested was 'packing more ponies'. Check out the in gear acceleration times as well, proving the RS gapped the type r in rolls as well.

[@Yk-nn3qr]

Sergio Aguirre I own the fk8 seconalled out raced. I've known him for years. I rarely comment on KZbin, i use it for music. This is the second time I've had to verify our race and talk about the fk8. His 96 VR4 is faster than my ctr, dig or roll. We raced many times. And thats about all the VR4 beats the type r in - acceleration. This car is for the TRACK! Ive owned plenty of nice cars, I'm a huge Honda fan. I still own my 94 NSX, had an eg hatch that ran 11s, a dc2 Integra type r, i now own a 97 lotus esprit v8 tt, and lotus elise sc for track duty. Imo, the fk8 handles as well as my Elise. I was ecstatic to hear about the fk8 release, and got my 2017 fk8 for $37.5k out the door, no payments. Best purchase I've ever made. Can't wait to hit the track again. Can't stop driving it. The best Honda since the NSX. However, it is not meant for the drag strip, no type r's are. They're meant for track duty! Is the fk8 slow? No. Is it fast? No. It does not run 108mph traps stock, i talked to Honda, they released some 'hot' cars to the press to generate a buzz...who can blame them? Take a look at all the times that fk8s have run after those 'hot' cars were tested...mid 5s to 60mph, high 13s with low 100mph traps. I ran a 102mph trap with a perfect launch. My other friend with a stock fk8 ran a 14.12@100mph in his. They're not drag cars. No car with fwd is meant to be a quarter mile star. As far as mods, ill leave that to the older Honda's like the eg hatches. This car has more than enough power stock. I cross shopped with the focus rs and golf r, both were faster in a straight line- and both would get wasted in the corners.

[@300zxttswap6]

Sergio Aguirre LMAO!!! You are a terrible fanboi! I spend all my free time on the street or the strip, we've been seeing more and more fk8s. They're much slower than the Golf R, STI and Focus RS - those 3 are all in the 13s @ the strip, i haven't seen an fk8 break a 14 yet! We have two fk8s in our crew right now. We've done plenty of races. We also have a dude with a stock Golf R dsg and one with a modded Focus RS (ill leave the RS out of this). The Golf R gaps the Type R on the highway, at any speed...even 100mph rolls, and im talking by like 3 cars! Both fk8 owners are modding theirs soon, so we'll see after, but stock they fail to impress. Lol @ the VR4 thing- we have a ton of VR4s here. My boys *bone stock* 98 3000GT VR4 ran a 13.09@107mph, it has 120k miles on it - VR4s are *beastly*, no fk8 could touch one. Both fk8 owners ran low 14s at the strip, and didn't want a peice of any of the VR4s in our crew. I drive a 95 Nissan 300ZX TT (lighter n/a body with a tt engine swap), bpu upgrades and weight reduction, last dyno was 435@whp and 423@wlbtq...i ran the 2018 fk8 for fun from a 80 roll (he said it was a good speed for him), i pulled foot ball field lengths. I saw the same fk8 get spanked by a stock mazdaspeed 3. Gtfo dude. All our cars are modded in our crew, and no one would want a 2017 civic si, that's just an awful platform - even modded it wouldn't catch traction til like 3rd, everything would be bus lengths ahead. Those cars are shit. We have some sick eg hatches and older si's though - the new turbo si is just a godawful car.

[@goldstandardgrooms2156]

Sergio Aguirre no response?????? I think you got shut the fuck down, even some other random dude jumped in on your response. I want to say, i love how my friends 2017 FK8 drives, and i will admit that its *overall* an EXTREMELY impressive package...but straight line speed is probably its weakest point. Stock to stock, my 96 3000GT VR4 is faster by quite a bit (dig and roll, i brake boost on rolls), and i think is more comfortable to drive - but the fk8 beats it in every other performance category, handling, skidpad, slalom, etc. Stop being a fanboi. I hope you learned your lesson. The 13.5@108mph from c/d was a fluke, and everyone knows it. *Every* other test theyve done, for that matter any test that anyone has done with the fk8, has shown *0 to 60 in 5.2 to 6s and the quarter mile in high 13s to low 14s* Please, we all hate people like you that cant see truth when it's in front of their face. With mods, im sure the fk8 / si are fast, ALL Honda's mod well, its literally their claim to fame - anyone can get an eg hatch and have it run 11s quick...but you're WRONG if you think a stock fk8 beats the Focus RS or Golf R in acceleration - from a dig the fk8 gets wasted, and the only real way to measure how fast a car is is from a dig; you don't see rolling starts at the drag strip, do you? Roll races are impossible to do fairly, you'd have to do a 10mph,20moh,30mph, 1st gear, 2nd gear, 3rd gear etc roll to see. Too many variables on a roll....*and even off a roll the fk8 gets gapped by the Focus RS and Golf R, especially the golf, as well as a stock Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4, as well for that matter* Please, get off the stupid shit and see that the fk8 is for the track, NOT the strip!

[@johnnybman7125]

sounds like crap off the line.

[@johnnybman7125]

this car is slow and sucks... next, not to mention ugly, my friend beat the new si with his old 94 ford probe gt with 208k, miles,

[@johnnybman7125]

SI use to stand for sport injected, now it means SLOW INSPIRED or slow idiot or slow impression... what does si stand for to you???

[@ravenstylea2]

Car is slow lmao.

[@JeffSpehar-ov1cn]

Hondas suck.