2019 vs 2020 Ford F-250 Super Duty -These Are The Top 5 Unexpected Changes with the New 7.3L Truck!

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Thanks Andre, I enjoyed the review of these 2 trucks.

[@paulherring8208]

The major change is the 7.3 hell yeah, Merry Christmas tfl.

[@scarroll625]

Paul Herring let’s see some performance tests on it already!!!

[@paulherring8208]

Am with u on that , going to be interesting to see how that transmission does with that engine !!!!

[@takerfan4ever]

I'd feel that way if it was a diesel

[@dragon81heart]

Thank you Ford with keeping a real key ignition!!

[@FordF-Super]

TFL has the best truck videos, it’s to bad Ford had to make them agree to not release driving impressions until January, I always went to TFL cause they were the first, but with the release coming early and consumers like myself already having their hands one a 2020, I’ve already watched probably a dozen videos on the driving impressions and I’m experiencing first hand since one is in my driveway. No worries, I’ll still watch, even if they aren’t first anymore

[@DJ_Underwood]

You are probably seeing personal owner reviews and dealership reviews. They don't get an embargo (Ford couldn'd really enforce it anyways). TFL is doing right by their MEDIA embargo by FORD so they continue to get more FORD's in the future. Whether we agree or not, they are doing right by FORD and their fans.

[@FordF-Super]

DJ Underwood no kidding I’m watching ownership reviews, btw, 5 Star Tuning already has their hands on a 2020 6.7, dyno numbers are to the rear wheels,,,,450 hp and 945tq, if you are going to be an owner, wouldn’t you watch owners reviews to gather opinions, or better yet buy one like I did then yourself or me, can personally do the reviews, all my point was about is this, TFL is no longer first, and the truck is already out, I’m about to go on a morning drive so I will review my own 2020 first hand. I like their videos but, the hell with bowing down to a large corporation, TFL just lost their pride and their slogan

[@scz718645]

That’s stupid. Driving impressions are subjective. I can understand actual numbers before a release of a truck, but these are out. Why does Ford care about the opinion of TFL at this point?

[@jasonlarsen3515]

Pike Man bless your heart

[@scz718645]

Jason Larsen That phrase doesn’t apply here, yankee. Try again

[@joseloslopez985]

Always the best job you do guys, you are the best videos TFL 👍👍👍

[@my2cents6]

Andre, did you notice the new tail gate? BTW, you don't need to hold the key until the engine starts, the keyed trucks have the same technology as the push button start models. When starting , you only need to turn and let go, the starter will stay on until the engine kicks in. Merry Christmas guys!

[@cjzx325]

Nice review Andre. When you turn the key you dont have to hold it for the truck to start. Just blip it quickly to "run" position and the starter will continue until the engine starts. :)

[@hunt6811]

I still don’t know why ford created the trailer back up thing because if you don’t know how to back up a trailer why do you have it.

[@hunt6811]

Easy trick when backing up. Put your hand at the bottom of the steering wheel

[@brianm1916]

It's for RVers and women.

[@ClintsTractor]

I'll say this, I wouldn't pay extra for it. I can back up doubles whether it's a conventional and or gooseneck combination pretty darn accurately. So a single trailer is child's play...

[@beemrmem3]

Clint Osowski cool story

[@ClintsTractor]

@@beemrmem3 I know right? I like pulling doubles. The look on other people's faces when I back them up while on my cell phone is priceless...

[@chriss3594]

Merry Christmas TFL

[@irishuwould5185]

I’d like to have a single cab 4x4 with the 7.3 gasser in a couple years to work the kinks out

[@panthermartin7784]

The kinks out of your wallet?

[@irishuwould5185]

Panther Martin77 out of your asshole

[@AG-rk5hj]

JustJay 0312 😂😂

[@panthermartin7784]

JustGay 0312 you can use your existing Suburu to get your big gulp bud, let the men folk handle the truck stuff

[@1leggeddog]

Nobody gets me pumped up about big trucks like Andre does :)

[@cameronsaint116]

That red f-250 is my dream car 😍 it looks soooooo goood

[@78ginop]

Lol it identifies as a truck

[@yamahong56]

Can't wait to see the 7.3 review in January

[@daytona3927]

Put a high output version of the 7.3 in a regular cab truck, call it the Lightning II. I'd buy one.

[@ALMX5DP]

Daytona 392 F-150 with Coyote and a Roush or FP supercharger fit that bill just fine.

[@KoolCordell]

I agree with you however with all the Sue happy lawyers the vehicles have to be safe, it can't be like back in the day when Chevy just put a big block in a 1500 and created the 454 SS nowadays that doesn't fly I heard once in order to justify a unicorn high performance build that does not appeal to the masses they would have to sell a hundred thousand of them a year. Or be a Halo vehicle for the brand that's why we have the Shelby GT350 and the GT500. Also creating a high performance truck it's going to have quite a lot of warranty claims from people using it just as intended as a high performance truck look at some of the warranty repair numbers for the supercharged lightning and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[@daytona3927]

@@KoolCordell I don't agree with much of your post. "vehicles have to be safe" are you kidding me, vehicles are more safe than ever, with more airbags, better crush zones, electronics that keep you in your lane, can detect if your sleepy and set off an alarm, put on the brakes for you, sensors and camera's up the kazoo that give you all kinds of information. You claim putting a big block in a truck doesn't fly nowadays, really why would that be, I'm driving a car that has 707 h/p, you do have to use restraint. The 7.3 Lightning won't be anywhere near that fast anyway. A mid to low 12 truck would be fine with me. Justification: Ford is practically the only manufacturer left that makes a regular cab truck. If they make a high performance model I think it will sell well, when Ford came out with the Raptor they thought it would be a flop, but did quite well with it. You can't really put this in the same class as a GT 350 or 500, it will be much cheaper and more reliable. Warranty issues, the old Lightning has the modular Triton series engines, they weren't all that great having many issues with overhead cam chain tensioner system. But that's not equated to the all new 7.3. This engine is built to last, first off it's a pushrod design, having top piston ring off turbo engines for heat resistance, piston cooling jets, 6 bolt main, roller valve train, roller rockers, Ford did their homework on this engine, and it does not have a turbo or blower. I'm sure you are aware that if you modify your vehicle you can kiss your warranty goodbye. Designed to be a torque monster which equates to acceleration, It would be a blast in a regular cab truck. I suppose they could make this in an extended cab, but not a four door.

[@KoolCordell]

@@daytona3927 I should have been more clear in my post sorry it was late at night. as far as safety I'm talking about a full package engineering, when Chevy did the 454 SS they literally just shoehorned a big block into a 1500 and lowered it. Hell it didn't even come with ABS until it's final year. They did it because they could what I mean is every single feature has an r&D cost that has to be re-evaluated anytime of powertrain change occurs. can they build it? sure! the issue is they then have to run it through durability and engineering test and crash testing and it just gets too expensive for a model that at best will sell 6,000 units a year. Also they'd be shooting themselves in the foot because they've said EcoBoost is the way forward and you don't need a V8. they kept the 5.0 around because it was paid for and because fleet owners still buy them. I'm a bit confused about your regular cab comment everybody has a regular cab in fact GMC is the only way that you can get automatic climate control in a regular cab for 2020. ( If you want that) Ford tested the water for a street performance pack with the old Tremor (sticker package) it didn't sell well. Before the 6.2 came out Ford was literally giving raptors away. they even staged a raptor Roundup in Phoenix where they brought out 15 trucks for us to throw around the Lucas trophy truck course so they could sell them as demo models at a discount. if Ford would just let me build a 4.10 short bed regular cab 2 wheel drive f150 with the 5.0 and the 10 speed and offer it with two bucket seats with a center console I would be ecstatic. They already have the lightest truck in the class. Add a bit bigger brake to it and drop it about 2 in and I'd be stoked. Bring back the rubber stubber on the leaf springs from the original lightning to control axle hop.

[@stevenp3176]

KoolCordell Wouldn’t be terribly expensive to mod to your idea with the exception of the mid length bed that’s only 6 inches longer than the classic short bed. Given the 10 speed ratios 3.55 or the unicorn 3.73s are much lower than previous 4-5 speeds with 4.10s.

[@rileysanders1997]

No one should use the back up assist in a heavy duty truck. They should know how to back up a trailer the right way

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Yep, and don't be proud, set the brake, in park and get out and visually check your blind spots.

[@dr._breens_beard]

@@Dive-Bar-Casanova i never understand the dildos that think they dont have to get out and check constantly. Thats half the fun anyway!!

[@chrisfossinger890]

For real I love ford but all the new truck relies to much on technology bring back old school and stuff that is more realiable and will last not sensors,screens,electric 4x4,electric steering and more just not realiable

[@marcopineda2249]

All of it is done for convenience. Here entering 2020, the bar needs to be raised and people demand more convenience and comforts. There’s so way around it.

[@FirstSuiGeneris]

_Yeah, what happen to the old days of back-up assist? They were trees, bushes, and a few pets every once in a while. Sooner or later you get right. It is kind of comical to see people backing up through!_

[@Bradamsmx5]

Ready to see that 7.3 with a tune from 5 Star tuning. See what numbers they can get out of it.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

You won't pass the smog check and it'll void your warranty.

[@zb6618]

Dive Bar Casanova you’ll pass it anywhere but California and 5 star offers a warranty

[@CarsMoveMe]

No boost so can't imagine it will be much.

[@keon5779]

@@Dive-Bar-Casanova You can't void a warranty on a car. However, warranty claims can be refused if an aftermarket part is deemed to be the cause of the issue.

[@SMiller5488]

@@CarsMoveMe this, there will be a lot of driveability available and a LITTLE power but nothing like everyone is used to seeing with the Ecoboost.

[@Aldo-zp8wk]

Good job Andre, thx for the comparison can't wait until you guys get the new grey XLT out testing it.

[@Marathon13240]

I cant wait to see how the 7.3 does, and I cant wait for 5star to put a tune out for the truck Cause I know with an intake and exhaust this thing could make gobs of more power

[@KoolCordell]

Here is the new 7.3 doing a highway pull

[@lefthandedfenceguy4924]

Yep, if it turns out to be good, I'll be done with diesel. Too much expense

[@paulrodrigues9603]

I liked this comparison of 2 like branded vehicles. When you compare different brands you always try to make the underdog brand look better than it is.

[@landonmayhue]

Thank you for the video I appreciate your videos

[@Scott-hc2mv]

Great information, Merry Christmas.

[@Roostertailin]

They forgot to mention the different tailgates. Not a big deal, still a great video.

[@patrickfort123456789]

I was really hoping they would release a black cloth interior for the XLT! I guess they want you to upgrade to a full leather Lariat $$$...

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

The cloth would be nice. Always a quieter interior with the cloth.

[@andyreeves3860]

Well done. Good comparison.

[@montefiveforty1]

The new chin spoiler can also be used as a snow plow...

[@pryme2013]

Totally hideous looking I dont care about the 1/4 mpg it could give me

[@ALMX5DP]

Mr M I do. Glad they have it as you can easily remove if you don’t like it.

[@ALMX5DP]

Leonard Rice yeah I suppose looks are the most important aspect for an HD truck right?

[@ALMX5DP]

@@leonardrice1500 And time up a hill is the end all be all of a trucks performance?

[@christopherhuynh6889]

I watched this whole video even though I don't need a F-250 and the F-150 fits my needs.

[@gmc-atrain7083]

Nice video

[@trevormyres5315]

I really don’t care for the 2020 tailgate redesign. The ford logo in the middle of the tailgate just looks way better aesthetically. Vs having SUPER DUTY and a smaller ford logo on top. It looks botched and lazy design.

[@SMiller5488]

Just do like I do and take the Ford emblem off.

[@rogerfreas4139]

I agree, a step backwards!

[@duke9173]

Bow shackles is genius. Thanks I’ll be using that 👍

[@jarrettbuell3458]

I want a fresh, newly built 3/4 ton with a completely manual transmission. Though they may not be as popular anymore, I need a heavy duty truck with a good ratio manual.

[@paulrodrigues9603]

There's always Peterbuilt

[@technom3598]

Why? The 10 speed has ever ration you could imagine and we'll twice as many as a 5 speed

[@KoolCordell]

Ram had one

[@ronsmith7880]

Merry Christmas Andre⭐⭐⭐⭐🏁🏁🏁🏁

[@michaelmason7591]

Price went up a hair? The 6.7 is almost a $1000 more and adaptive steering that was standard is now a $1000 option.

[@zb6618]

Michael Mason the extra thousand comes from the 10 speed transmission

[@tylermacconnell217]

Adaptive steering was never standard

[@KoolCordell]

still standard on certain trim models platnium and higher

[@tylermacconnell217]

Sure, but this truck is an XLT

[@hellkitty1014]

@@tylermacconnell217 depending on trim it was.

[@henryvandervort9891]

How good is the 6.2 in the 2019 ,or should I go with the 6.7 thanks for your great videos

[@jamesoconnor6415]

Great Video. Another difference between the 2019 & 2020. Is that the 2020 has a separate European style amber turn signal in the rear taillights

[@hojo70]

I can only dream of winning the Powerball so that I can afford one

[@benjaminkline4855]

You'll have to win it twice to afford fuel and repairs

[@lancehartman9905]

@@benjaminkline4855 LMAO!🤣

[@GregKittle]

Benjamin Kline somebody’s sore lol!

[@Nick-gi6ym]

You failed to mention on the 2020 ford did a big change on the tailgate. It’s a really good change. Ok now you know if you want you can send me one of your company hat. Thanks

[@rogerfreas4139]

So whats so good?

[@danatkinson6698]

Number 6 big change for 2020 NO MANUAL TRANSFER CASE!!!!!!

[@keon5779]

Not sure why that's big news, a manual transfer case is a waste of space and is not useful in a truck like this.

[@SMiller5488]

@@keon5779 1 of them is guaranteed to work...

[@paulrodrigues9603]

Can you flat tow a 2020 behind a motorhome w/o the manual transfer case?

[@ClintsTractor]

Every Super Duty I've ever owned pretty much had and has ESOF. They've never failed me when shifting. Only one had a manual TC, it also had the S6-650 in it...

[@KoolCordell]

Ford electronic shift has never given me a problem outside of the automatic hub design of the 90's, which a lot of people hate on but to be honest with you, it's a lot cheaper to swap it for $300 for manual hubs then it is to deal with snapping an axle shaft and having it rip apart the oil pan.

[@CMsports12]

Are the beds the same size from 19-20. I have a tremor ordered and want to order a tonneau cover. Pretty sure width of bed rails is same but before I pull the trigger on a new cover would like to know thanks. Keep up the good work TFL videos are great and detailed!!

[@RobertKohut]

Nice!! Very surprised Ford did not refresh the interiors for 2020.... :-)

[@laxxman7]

I think that the new diesel as well as the 10 speed and tremor package is the most sought after new truck this year. I’ve heard more people excited for these three in particular and I’m sure many people would love to see a tremor become your test truck for the next year. But maybe throw out some voting for people and then go over the top 4 choices to see what you al feel would be best. Ram and GM have revamped/new 3.0 diesels that would be great to see, but upgraded transmissions and class leading engines are also a big attention grabber.

[@KoolCordell]

I'm waiting to see if Ford makes the limited slip front differential an option for other models. I personally feel that the extended vent tubes they give you the water fording capability should be standard on the FX4 package considering its cost, but the LSD is probably the most exciting feature for me at least.

[@nickp786]

I like how Ford configure most of their xlt with the tiny 3.5 screen. And they always show off their big screen. And it's almost impossible to fine a 6 seater with leather seats.

[@paulrodrigues9603]

Order one it takes 6 weeks

[@rydingwithryan493]

Paul Rodrigues when you order you don’t end up getting the same discounts.

[@paulrodrigues9603]

@@rydingwithryan493 If they get it from another dealer yes. But I ordered and got 10K off. I'm happy. There's a cheap option that gives a diesel enough payload to tow a 5er. A HD front suspension, camper package that you never see on the lot. So much cheaper than buying the parts later.

[@rydingwithryan493]

Paul Rodrigues interesting, I have never known anyone to get the same discounts when ordering. Maybe it depends on the manufacturer and model

[@paulrodrigues9603]

@@rydingwithryan493 I shopped the Ford site to figure exactly what I needed. Put the paper on the desk . They tried to locate one but none exact. I shopped other dealers and the one close to home was best after all. Don't be afraid to travel.

[@Painfulwhale360]

I have a question if anyone could help me with. I've never purchased a vehicle from a traditional dealer before. My question: Dealers (Like Ford for this example) If they don't have the exact truck you want on the lot, can you order one to your specs and STILL get dealer incentives?

[@XOneStarX]

I love the fact you were basically talking about the XLT models in the entire video but gave us pricing for the XL model. Also, brand new 7.3 motor means it will definitely have major problems for the next 3 years. Ford is nothing but consistent.

[@mikek5298]

Wil Par Just like GM.

[@mlow42]

Does anyone know the price of the white one? The owner said deeply discounted, but no price. How low can it go?

[@mattheww1429]

I really wish yall would do a tow review on f250 with the 6.2l v8. Pulling a trailer around 12k lbs going up the ike gauntlet. Im on the fence trading in my EcoBoost for a 2016+ f250 4x4 6.2l for better towing.

[@KoolCordell]

Mr. Truck had one and they did a lot of towing reviews with his in older videos.

[@jaredfarrar6734]

I think the real question is did they fix the death wobble?

[@Adventureswithmike1]

That one reason I buy only 2wd f250s .I do mostly on road driving and The 2wd trucks Drive Better they handle the road better they get better fuel economy The turning radius is better and they don't death wobble and eat up front tires...

[@pryme2013]

They didn't change anything underneath so no, it's not fixed from 2019 or the previous 20yrs it's been happening lmao

[@freedomliberty7611]

the death wobble is fake news.

[@TimGtmf]

DWAYNE Desisto yeah right haha

[@BillUtah]

Excellent question! It’s very real ! And it’s the number one reason why I’m probably not going to pick up a Ford as my new tow vehicle. All of our work trucks have the wobble. And Ford will not take care of the issue why under warranty. My personal work truck just had $1400 of front end work at 32,000 miles which did not fix the issue. 👎

[@Chad-wb7du]

The chin spoiler on that new truck looks ridiculous

[@rogerfreas4139]

Why did you choose to leave out the tailgate and taillight changes??

[@paulrodrigues9603]

. I see people complain that they wish their truck had something and it turns out to be a $190. option. Example MaxTow package on an F150 is $1200. but it has over $2000. worth of stuff if you buy them piece by piece. Study the "Build and Price" section in www.ford.com before you buy to make sure you get everything you want/need!!!!

[@rossmartens]

I love my fords dont think i dislike anything they do even the mach e i dont care for it but understand why and as far as trucks ya interior isn't best yet but i still enjoy it ill probably keep my 2017 f150 till a tremor is older i cant wait to see how the new super duty performs ill be ready for a new truck in a few yrs

[@bobl.2213]

Another Video of a 7.3 Truck but no test drive to show actual Mileage, but there are 7.3 trucks at dealers in my area.

[@KoolCordell]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4S6ZWmDYraUZrc here

[@boostedart88]

Would be a hard choice in between both colors ⚪🔴 or 🔵

[@kylew8581]

Can we please get some content about the difference in brakes between F-350 SRW and F-350 DRW and F-450 DRW please???

[@cantevenseeyourightn]

Nah he’s too busy talking about new shiny wheels and all this goofy stuff. They don’t actually talk about real mechanics or anything intelligent/ useful….

[@MyTubeUser321]

They should make a new 7.3 Diesel (once they perfected the 6.7 and its regen issues)

[@shanelilman3780]

We gotta see the new RAM cummins update engine an the GMC update on theres 10spd transmission... see what power numbers there putting down for 2020 🤩🤩🤩

[@viivcreations9161]

Thbats a 3rd gen 6.7L powerstroke, you should say it more like Rev. 2 of the gen3 since gen 3 is 2018

[@ripfletching]

Thank you for doing more Ford videos you know this is a truck channel and Ford is the number one selling truck and we that are invested in Ford don’t seem like this channel is very dedicated to Ford but I love you guys and I love this channel and once again thank you for the videos regarding the Ford products

[@chadsteele1]

Why should one concentrate on just Ford's it's a mediocre truck that's got great marketing and suckers be linen up.. brand loyalty really is for Suckers. Tfl does all trucks even the boring lineup from Ford.

[@ripfletching]

C Steele I believe you’re misconstruing what I said I did not request only Ford videos there is usually a lack of good Ford content on this channel I am in the business of towing and have been for a long time I was a committed general motors person for years and had some Dodge products along the way but I promise you I have never had any vehicle hold up as well as Ford I have a few vehicles with over 500,000 miles that I’ve driven I’ve never had one less than 250,000 before I traded that includes cars so to say mediocre the report product is wrong on your part there’s nothing wrong with brand loyalty it’s the same thing as a ball team you find something you like and do support it no problem there I am also heavily invested in the company and I receive 8% dividends on my money so I have nothing negative to say about Ford products they have been very good to my family and continue to be good for them they’re also a American made and produced company the Ford trucks have more American parts than any other vehicle on the market so if you have anything negative to say just hold it to yourself it’s Christmas 🎄 oh by the way merry Christmas to you and your family I hope you have a good year

[@patrickjerzak2685]

The 7.3 with the 10 speed is going to blow the doors off the others. 6.2 is an amazing engine with 6 speed, add another liter and 4 speeds you do the math.

[@redhongkong]

Can u tell us more about the drive mode . Does it have something like auto 4h for winter city drive?

[@jesusrubio8385]

Who thinks that 7.3 should have its own emblem like the 6.7?

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Someone will make and offer them aftermarket within the next year. They will sell 1000's of them.

[@landscapingspecialist]

Looks like the tailgate is a bit different from 2019 to 2020 also. Maybe I’m mistaken

[@Deere-uh4go]

One thing I miss about my Ford is manual locking hubs I don’t know why ram does not offer that on the farm low range 2 Wheel drive is very very very handy

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Because they're garbage!

[@NWI_Steel]

What is the fascination with manual locking hubs?

[@ethanc9218]

@@NWI_Steel For some people (not all) they are wildly superior. If you have ever needed to do a lot of low speed maneuvering with a heavy trailer, you appreciate the option to pinch the vacuum line and have 2wd low. If you have ever owned a brand "C" truck with auto hubs with the failure prone solenoid that has some miles, you have likely experienced just why people pay for locking hubs. If all of your trucks are newer, the auto hubs are fine for you also. (Most Super Duty hubs are auto with a full lock feature anyway.)

[@KoolCordell]

2 wheel drive low has a risk I'm destroying the transfer case gear set in the hands of an idiot that is why manual hubs begin to disappear. that and the conditions that typically require four wheel drive are not conditions where most people want to get out of their vehicle run around the front of their vehicle and lock the hubs such as encountering is an icy intersection and having to engage 4 wheel drive to pull forward. However that situation that you described is one of the things that makes me loathe The disappearance of the manual transmission in the heavy duty truck. having that crawler gear was an absolute lifesaver when I drove a ram 2500 with the manual. I couldn't help but think it was idiot-proof with that low gear even with the trailer I struggle to see how you would stall it on a hill.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

@@NWI_Steel If you install a locker in the diff they are essential. Occasionally Ford will offer a front locker in their trucks and the manual hubs are essential. Always read all the options avail when you buy a Ford truck. You'd be amazed what options there are that go unnoticed and how many people miss the front locker option. It's a great thing to have.

[@donleamon8653]

So, I guess if you have a cab-over camper in the bed of your 2020, you won't be listening to satellite radio. Another one of Ford's Better Ideas.

[@codered9576]

Good point, that would block the signal.

[@jmc6000]

Satellite radio is crap anyway

[@gregdettling3600]

Don Leamon That would be the same for any brand of truck.

[@donleamon8653]

Greg Dettling not if they are mounted on the front. They still will work there.

[@gregdettling3600]

Don Leamon I wasn’t aware that GM and Ram had the satellite antennas on the hood.

[@bosse641]

Sure is nice.

[@onestepahead3226]

If you can't back up a trailer unassisted you need to sell your truck and trrailer and drive a VW golf or hire a driver

[@sortac08]

The Truck is out there for sale and you still don't have a driving impressions or Ike test yet. Wth?

[@tracyj6071]

Not an equal comparison. It needs to be exact model. Example both trucks need to be the exact same. Platinum vs platinum. Or Lariat vs Lariat. Only difference is the the transmission.

[@david-sv3kg]

Could you guys do a new f250 vs one that is 10 or 20 years old?

[@KoolCordell]

Curious as to why? They have reviews from 2014 if you just want it compared to the old model

[@david-sv3kg]

@@KoolCordell , I don't know many folks that replace their truck every year, or even every 5. I have found I usually keep things 15-20 years. When I got a F150 ecoboost to replace my '98 RAM... I was suprised by the power increase and comfort, but disappointed at how it handles loads and towing... Even though it has a lot more power. That's something I had to pay to learn.

[@MRPlow-gj4qg]

I wish they would’ve released it a little earlier in the year. I had to have a truck by the end of the year, I had to settle for a 2019 the dealer couldn’t guarantee me a 2020 would come in if we ordered it.

[@BobSmith-bi2mn]

Kinda weird calling it Godzilla with numbers like 430 hp and 475 lb torque when the high output eco boost has 450 hp and 510 lb torque.

[@cyborg2048]

The torque curve is impressive on the godzilla.

[@boduke9428]

I'm really excited about the new 10 speed. I love my current 6.7 and have the truck exactly the way I want but.... That 10 speed may get me to sell and buy new. If the 7.3 was just a touch more powerful I'd consider just adding to the fleet and keep my current truck also. I was hoping for insane power numbers that destroyed the rest of the class not just a few lb ft more torque than an Ecoboost. Under 500 torque is crazy from that displacement. I was hoping for 550-600 stock. I just don't understand how they get so little with so much displacement unless it's detuned to run 500,000 miles. I'd gladly take half that with more power. They literally could have gotten much, much more with same reliability going forced induction and smaller displacement. 5.0 twin turbo Ecoboost anyone?? With the great job they've done with the 3.5 Ecoboost I just can't believe a couple extra cylinders and liters of displacement could be a bad thing. Ford literally proved there is a replacement for displacement and seems like they went backwards with this. I'm thinking they did it to avoid losing to many people picking the cheaper gas engine over the $12,000-$15,000 diesel option. I'd definitely not hesitate to grab a 500 HP 700+ ft lb torque twin turbo V8 gasser for $5000-$7500 option over the Powerstroke and I love diesel and have always owned multiple Powerstrokes of every generation from 95- my current 17. I've had a first year 3.5 Ecoboost F150 and it made me a believer in those little turbos. Since my first test drive of that truck I've been hoping Ford would build a bigger one for the Superduties as a mid grade engine choice. The regular gas engines just aren't enough and the Powerstroke is honestly more than most need. Either way, can't wait to see how the new 10 speed does and hoping someone builds the Godzilla engine Ford should have. Who knows, maybe I'll do it myself. How hard could it be, lol.

[@KoolCordell]

it's really going to depend on what you do with your truck whether the triple overdrive is going to make a difference and what gear ratio you choose versus what gear ratio you currently have. I personally enjoy Ford's EcoBoost products I have a fiesta ST and it's great and it truly can do Eco if you stay out of the boost and it does have a very entertaining power curve. However EcoBoost and heavy duty cannot go hand-in-hand yet. Talk about the 7.3 power numbers yes it is detuned for reliability if you go to ford.com and look at their chassis models you will see how much further they have to detune it to give it a 10% or less major failure before 250,000 miles. That's 250,000 miles assumed to be everyday fully loaded. I too would love to see a 5 l ecoboost engine however the cost would be insane to give you an idea it would probably have to have the same radiator and intercooler as a 6.7 the entire internal structure would have to be forged, it would have to have a massive oil cooler and the tuning on it would make it less than desirable to drive all of these would have to be in place for the longevity required of the heavy-duty market. One of the reasons diesels cost so much is because they generate more warranty claims. Now to go back to the 3.5 EcoBoost yes it is a fantastic engine and they continue to improve it and I absolutely applaud Ford I constantly trying to make it better however we all know that it can tow more than 13,000 pounds capably weither the truck and chassis and brakes can control it is a different story however we know the engine can do it just fine however it's requires a very specific configuration in order to hit 13,000 pounds people that tow that do not have that configuration experience high coolant temps engines begin to derate due to excessive oil temps which cause the high coolant temps and ultimately that's not going to be acceptable in a heavy duty vehicle. The majority of heavy duty sales to this day are still fleet sales fleet sales are typically operated by somebody who does not own the vehicle and does things less than desirable to those vehicles such as attempting to maintain 70 miles an hour on a 6% grade in a hundred degree weather with 25,000lbs behind it. Ford has to build reliability to counter that. A perfect case in point is the ram 6.4 Ike run that became notorious for tfltruck, the vehicle entered protection mode in order to prevent the operator from ballooning the torque converter from excessive heat this is why the speed suddenly became limited.

[@boduke9428]

@@KoolCordell I tow anything from a couple of side by sides to tractors, bobcats, and a healthy size toyhauler. My 16 6.7 does it all great and is tuned, deleted, small lift on 37's. It did great bone stock also but if it can be better with a 10 speed it'll just bug me inside, lol. I agree on loving the Ecoboost lineup, like I said I had an 11 3.5 for over 5 years and it would tow anything I have in a pinch of needed except the toyhauler and that was more to do with tongue weight than anything. I can't understand how cost could have been the issue since they developed the 7.3 from a clean slate and it'll also have massive cooling system for the exact same reasons you mention. The coyote block had proved to hold massive power reliably. I think Ford could have beefed it up some and put a couple of low boost turbos on for as much or less than developing the 7.3. Maybe the 6.2 even. Like I said, i was thinking of this for a mid grade choice between whatever base engine and the $15,000 diesel. More choices can't hurt sales, look at the F150 engine choices they offer. I think the regular 3.5 Ecoboost with added cooling would have been a better choice for the Superduty and performed better than the 7.3 will in it's current state of tune. I just don't think many Superduty owners/buyers would have the faith or experience with the small Ecoboost engines to give them a chance. Again, I'm not saying use it in the max towing models, just like the base engine isn't available rated to tow 35,000 pounds. I have no doubt that it could do just as good towing 15000-18000 as the detuned 7.3 will though. I'm more disappointed because I think it was fear of taking the chance of buyers accepting it that led Ford this route. They stepped out on the ledge for the 3.5 Ecoboost in the F150's and it has worked perfect for them. They sell tons more Ecoboost trucks than 5.0 models with customers paying a large premium to do it. My 2011 F150 cost $1100 to upgrade to the 3.5. now it's several times that and they sell every one they build. I think they missed a chance to revolutionize the heavy duty market the same way they did the half tons ten years ago. I think we missed our chance to be looking back in 2030 wondering how we ever made it without smaller displacement forced induction V8's in the heavy duty trucks. Ford has more experience with forced induction than anyone from Lightning's to mustangs and F150. If someone else does it first we very well may have a new leader in heavy duty sales in ten years. I think it has more chance of working out than electric in that time. Anyways, thanks for the reply and happy holidays!

[@KoolCordell]

@@boduke9428 How much of that towing is highway and what speeds do you personally tow at? If your truck stays in 5th gear now, the 10 speed won't make a noticable difference in fuel economy. Did you get the 4.10 on your 2016 or the 3.55? Cost for the 7.3 is shared all the way up to their F-650/750. I honestly don't believe a 5L EcoBoost would appeal to those customers as it would always be on boost so economy would suffer. One major issue that the customer doesn't see is the reliability testing. A heavy duty 3.5 would have to have a compacted iron graphite block just like the 2.7 l EcoBoost does, it would get pretty heavy pretty quickly. Then you have to deal with the carbon deposits, the fact that in a HD application the oil would have to be changed every 5k miles (fleets tend to use whatever is cheapest that is in spec). Fleets care about downtime, and maintenance costs. GM has more forced induction experience than Ford does, hell every midsize and large car they sold in the early 2000's had a supercharger option. GM ran away from that because creating a strong enough 5-speed auto to handle the torque numbers simply didn't work and then they came out the "high feature v6". the 7.3 was designed with two things in mind first the design is based on the correct displacement amount to ensure it can hold a 14.7:1 ratio while loaded to be as efficient as possible. Then long term durability. I'm going to say something extremely controversial but has been proven true over and over again. If you are not buying a dually there is no reason whatsoever to get a modern Diesel. Without the dually you can't tow amounts that the gas can't. $9,000 in fuel goes a very long way, maintenance costs if you follow the manufacturer's specifications for your vehicle and the way that you use it gets insane. Both fuel filters need to be replaced every other oil change or if you tow at gcwr then you have to be replace at 15000 miles/6 months/600 engine hours, Every 60k miles the coolant has to be flushed and replaced (both loops). The 7.3 does not require any of that. Fuel, currently at least, is approximately $0.50 more per gallon though that's going to depend on where you live and their fuel economy when they are actually loaded and worked is only about 2 MPG better than the gas motors. as far as longevity Ford says approximately 250K miles under ideal conditions for the diesel particulate filter. That's a $5k+ replacement. I love a good diesel when pulling they are astonishing. But unless you're pulling over 20,000 lbs they sadly just don't make sense. Sorry for all of the spec ovomit I've been considering dabbling in hotshotting and it's a lot easier to justify the 7.3. than the 6.7 if I don't go dually. (I do all my own work so thankful your labor cost doesnt need to be considered, however Part cost is very important.) Happy holidays to you too Note: since deleting emissions equipment is a felony and you risk your vehicle being confiscated, deletion is not a consideration for me in any way shape or form. And if you get caught commercially hauling with emissions modifications you are going to be in for an extraordinarily rough time.

[@boduke9428]

@@KoolCordell I tow at the speed limit (70mph or less) with the toyhauler or anything over 10-12k on the gooseneck. My foot gets heavier if I've just got the Jeep or a couple side by sides on the conventional trailer. The truck is in 6th most always. I have the 3.55's currently I have a single wheel but I've had everything from 250's to 550's and as crazy as it sounds I go for the highest rear gear available. I've found the lower gears like the 4:88 in the 550 keeps the engine to high in the power band at highway speed to pull hills. The higher gears keep it closer to that higher torque rolling down the highway. I know it comes at the cost of harder acceleration but modern diesels aren't hurting for power. I agree the diesel isn't mandatory but I do love the effortless feel it has. I am not going to use my personal truck for hotshot either way. It's too much work to take it back to stock to make it suitable. I live in a state with no emissions testing at all or any type inspections so it's pretty safe around here running around deleted. I'm probably going the Enterprise route. That's kinda why I'm upset about the 7.3 power numbers. It could be perfect for hotshot for all the reasons you named. It's cheap enough to be treated as disposable and maintenance is so much less. I'm just not a believer that 475 ft lb is enough to bee grossing 26k plus. I remember the days of sub 500 ft lb from 1990's era diesels and how bad it was towing moderate loads with them. I have to many memories of getting the biggest possible run at even slight grades. Hitting the hill at 70-75 and topping it at 40-50 and that was with less than 15 thousand behind it. I just feel like with those low numbers even with the 10 speed that engine is going to be screaming at the slightest incline. You are very correct about the engine being shared with the larger trucks and my V8 Ecoboost not being ideal for those applications. I hadn't considered that. I still think there is a market for it. Like I said, the half tons get 4 choices and it all works out for Ford. They could use my engine in the Raptor and a new Lightning and recoup the money. I just believe where there is a will there is a way and am disappointed Ford didn't take the leap like they did with the 3.5. If you pull the trigger and do hotshot with a 7.3 I hope it works out awesome and you change my mind. Make us some videos if so, I'd love to know how it works out and would definitely tune in to follow along. Best of luck in the coming year. I very much appreciate the cordial back and forth.

[@truth959]

I like the old grill

[@dank8017]

The 7.3 you can sort of see the engine, the Powerstroke not so much

[@bombardiertraxter]

I hope this engine has great towing power gets an average 15 mile per gallon and can tow heavy at 11 miles per gallon with some longevity built in 250,000 mile engine. Wishful thinking I'm afraid. I love the power and towing abilities of the 6.7 but the cost is sickening.

[@KoolCordell]

Here is fuel economy after a 30 minute highway run with 4.30 gears kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4S6ZWmDYraUZrc

[@BZ1340]

Great job on the comparisons. You know I like the Ford trucks, Yet the design seems tired. I have to give GM credit and even RAM for giving us a fresher look on the HD models. Even interior wise I feel they are way ahead of Ford. I always buy Ford GM or GMC. Not tied to a specific brand but design, function and all important dealer service is my priorities.

[@BC08]

Lol, the new Chevy HD is one of the all time hideous trucks

[@Brian-StarGazer-77]

That air dam on the red truck is hideous

[@boyscouts5000]

That 7.3 needs to be super charged and put into a mustang

[@adamada101]

My 17, 6.2 f-250 EATS gas. I’m curious how the 7.3 does.

[@scarroll625]

S 1 *drinks

[@pryme2013]

What kind of mileage you getting?

[@scarroll625]

Mr M truck computer says 11.8 mpg When I fill the tank it says 365 mi to empty

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Hugh Jinvaney 🙄 you need to do it by hand!

[@scarroll625]

John Doe I do enough stuff by hand. My hand is tired.

[@papa13.lvraiders32]

If u need back up assist u don't need a truck & definitely don't need 2 be towing anything with it what a joke.

[@ALMX5DP]

papa 13. Lv raiders interesting take. I find it useful (not necessary but extremely helpful).

[@ronmexico1975]

papa 13. Lv raiders It’s for the scumbag yuppies that wanna look tough going to Lowe’s with their 6 foot utility trailer to load up the wood their wife is making them get for a cookbook book shelf.

[@ALMX5DP]

Brian1975 lol so much inference from such a small piece of tech.

[@papa13.lvraiders32]

@@ronmexico1975 very true 😂😂😂

[@KoolCordell]

I agree. Though I would say it is a nice to have. To be honest that feature actually makes a ton of sense though if you're running a fleet of trucks with a bunch of driver employees. Anything you can do to protect your investments 90% of the time is worth it

[@_willalexander.88]

Just when I thought the chin splitter couldn't get any bigger..

[@anthonytaylor828]

10 speed transmission huh? The GM comes with a 10 speed “Allison branded” transmission. I know ford and gm engineered some transmissions together. Are the HDs using the same transmissions and GM is just branding theirs with the Allison name?

[@KoolCordell]

The 10-speed is a cost-shared product with Ford and GM however both of them claim that the mechanical sharing stopped with the light duty model and that both have created their own unique version for the heavy-duty market as far as hard parts go. Yes GM is just branding it Allison (though I am sure "Allison" helped with the tuning. the same way that Ford brands their non Navistar developed engine as powerstroke, personally I think they should have just called it scorpion 6.7 but that's just my opinion.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Remember how bad Ford treated their customers and kept producing the bad 6.0 and 6.4's. Never again.

[@jmc6000]

Ford NEVER produced the 6.0 or the 6.4 that was Navistar which Ford has long broken ties with.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

jmc6000 Ford rushed them to market! Ford gave them unrealistic deadlines and tried to take over the design process, causing conflicts. The 6.0 was actually good if you worked it, really good if you bulletproofed it!

[@ClintsTractor]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk The six oh and especially the 6.4L (cool it was factory compound boosted but otherwise junk...) has many design shortcomings making one wonder what the heck Navistar enginerds were smoking. (Probably the smoke from a dying 6.4L...) The 6.4L was ALL Navistar's screwup they farted into existence... That being said, I love my six ohs. When driven like a truck is supposed to be and maintained properly, a stock 6.0L can go 100's of thousands of miles. When bullet proofed even longer. A 6.4L bullet proofed is still a ticking time bomb. Waiting to rape the unsuspecting owner at a moment's notice...

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Clint Osowski that's what I said! But look it up, Ford interfered with Navistar designs and gave them unrealistic goals. Navistar was the leader in diesels, next to Cummins. The 7.3 powerstroke was a beast! Hell, the new duramax is a better diesel than the new 6.7 powerbroke.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Mid-production Ford being well aware of the problems simple enlarged the EGR cooler so the Powerjokes would make it through warranty before grenading. Wow what a company!

[@BBOZ83]

I drive a 2019 F-250 super duty everyday for my work vehicle and it's rough. Seats are uncomfortable, rides stiff, it's slow, steering wheel controls placement sucks, speakers suck, sync sucks. The trim is 3 different kinds of textured plastic and is a real pain to dust off. The hitch has small oval cutouts for safety chains and can't fit anything into them. I now see why Ram is back to back truck of year...

[@rogerfreas4139]

Pathetic troll

[@BBOZ83]

@@rogerfreas4139 Facts are facts when I actually drive a 2019 Ford truck everyday for work, not trolling...

[@richarddubois5529]

It’s too bad you could not compare 2 diesels even more so since the 2020 diesel is the 3rd generation

[@vikingored5993]

WHATS THE PAYLOAD?

[@mikelliteras397]

I’ll take your word for it, I’m sure there’s an engine in there somewhere ;)

[@kyleloew432]

I dont remember the ford 7.5L or chevys 8.1L being called Godzilla, so why does a smaller engine get a nickname like that lol,, I'm excited for a big block regardless.

[@toddbob55]

FORD BUILDS THE BEST TRUCKS ON THE PLANET.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Yes ask any Powerjoke 6.0 and 6.4 owner.

[@armytruth6860]

Can you compare the 5.4 Triton and the 3.5 eco boost

[@jeremygaillard5924]

3.5 is a much better engine than the 5.4.

[@armytruth6860]

Jeremy Gaillard hell no

[@KoolCordell]

.....why? The transmission difference alone will make the 5.4 run away sobbing. That's before we start talking about all of the modular engines being allergic to their own spark plugs.

[@armytruth6860]

@@KoolCordell my 5.4 will run circles around that 3.5

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

They can't. They blew all their spark plugs out.

[@taffyden9718]

I mean come on Ford!! The 2020s sit like a Chevy. They’re so small

[@NatureRecycleFlorida]

nice trucks

[@DP-js2fi]

Last time Ford changed engines, it was a big mess. I know first hand..

[@ALMX5DP]

D P and you don’t trust they’ve tried to learn from past mistakes?

[@davidseinen3483]

Alan Bowers lol trust no one. That is what has been learned.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Never trust Ford.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@davidseinen3483 you must trust someone or something right? Living life that way isnt healthy if not.

[@davidseinen3483]

Alan Bowers you’re right. I trust me.

[@eduardogutierrez665]

So basically is the same truck

[@FlyingFalcon77]

Same truck with a new grill and updated engine

[@V843v3r]

yeah，because it's the same truck lol

[@takerfan4ever]

That got slightly uglier in the front

[@Eddie211979]

Where's the drag race?

[@boyteebah3794]

why would someone get the 7.3L gas with just 430 hp over the 6.7 diesel with 475 hp? what is the rationale here?

[@KoolCordell]

Initial cost and long-term maintenance

[@timstegman1031]

DEF fluid is a major pain in the butt.

[@buddy9577]

YOU FORGOT TOT TALK ABOUT THE NEW STEERING

[@michaelchapman1004]

I like how hard it is to get into my 2019. And personally I've never seen a single pair of panties drop for a gas motor

[@danlindeke4039]

Why don't you test 1993,1998 1/2 dodge 1997 7.3 turbo f250 vs new?

[@KoolCordell]

They did a series of new versus old however they weren't that popular. Also finding a 100% stock truck that has been fully manufacturer maintained for an apples-to-apples comparison it's almost impossible. That and if tfl truck blows it up on the Ike and owners going to want a nice fat juicy check.

[@scarroll625]

Happy Hanukkah to the owner of that XLT.

[@laxxman7]

Hugh Jinvaney I love this comment more than a thumbs up can show.

[@scarroll625]

laxxman7 thanks

[@svtirefire]

Wow, these changes are so... "unexpected"...