2020 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Z51 Hot Lap! - 2020 Best Driver's Car Contender

[@Dolby109]

Lap times from this year's Best Drivers Car: 2020 Ferrari F8 Tributo - 1:32.27 2020 Lamborghini Huracan Evo - 1:32.85 2021 Porsche 911 Turbo S - 1:32.97 2020 Ford Mustang GT500 CF - 1:33.84 2020 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 - 1:36.14 2020 Corvette Stingray Z51 - 1:37.83 2020 Porsche Cayenne Turbo - 1:40.27 *All Randy Pobst - Laguna Seca lap times McLaren Senna (P15) Randy Pobst 1:27.62 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (991) Randy Pobst 1:28.30 Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) Randy Pobst 1:28.65 McLaren 720S Randy Pobst 1:29.78 Porsche 918 Spyder Randy Pobst 1:29.89 Lamborghini Huracan Performante - 1:30.00 McLaren P1 Randy Pobst 1:30.71 Gunther Werks Porsche 911 (993) - 1:30.99 Dodge Viper ACR (Mk V) - 1:31.58 Ferrari 488 GTB - 1:31.68 ~2020 Ferrari F8 Tributo - 1:32.27 Chevrolet C7 Corvette ZR1 - 1:32.46 ~2020 Lamborghini Huracan Evo - 1:32.85 ~2021 Porsche 911 Turbo S - 1:32.97 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT R - 1:33.01 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C7) - 1:33.05 Porsche 911 Turbo S - 1:33.21 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (991) - 1:33.29 SRT Viper TA - 1:33.62 649 / 1520 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 - 1:33.70 ~2020 Ford Mustang GT500 CF - 1:33.84 SRT Viper GTS - 1:34.23 Audi R8 V10 Plus (Mk II) - 1:34.23 Camaro ZL1 1LE Package - 1:34.30 Corvette Z06 (2012) - 1:34.43 McLaren MP4-12C - 1:34.50 McLaren 570S - 1:34.58 SRT Viper - 1:34.63 Nissan GT-R Nismo (R35) - 1:35.01 SLS AMG Black Series - 1:35.03 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S - 1:35.30 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 - 1:35.40 Nissan GT-R Nismo (R35) - 1:35.51 Porsche 911 Carrera S (992) - 1:35.52 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT S - 1:35.57 Porsche 911 Turbo S (991) - 1:35.62 Corvette Grand Sport - 1:35.62 Ford Shelby Mustang GT350R - 1:36.11 ~2020 Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 - 1:36.14 Ferrari 458 Italia - 1:36.22 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 63 S - 1:36.26 Honda NSX (Mk II) - 1:36.36 Lexus LFA - 1:36.39 Nissan GT-R (R35 550 PS) - 1:36.63 Ford Shelby Mustang GT350 - 1:36.83 Jaguar XE SV Project 8 - 1:36.96 Porsche Cayman GT4 (981) - 1:37.43 BMW M4 GTS - 1:37.66 Camaro SS 1LE Package - 1:37.78 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 - 1:37.82 ~2020 Corvette Stingray Z51 - 1:37.83 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta - 1:38.04 Aston Martin DBS Superleggera - 1:38.27 Chevrolet C7 Corvette Stingray - 1:38.28 Aston Martin Vantage (Mk II) - 1:38.42 Ford Mustang GT PP2 - 1:38.42 Cadillac CTS-V (Mk III) Randy Pobst 1:38.52 Chevrolet C6 Corvette ZR1 - 1:38.70 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 - 1:38.70 Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI Plus (Gen1) - 1:38.70 Jaguar F-Type SVR - 1:38.75 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG - 1:38.82 C 63 AMG Coupe Black Series - 1:38.90 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S (991) - 1:39.00 Chevrolet Gen5 Camaro ZL1 - 1:39.18 Porsche 911 Carrera S (991) - 1:39.30 BMW M850i (G15) - 1:39.40 Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS - 1:39.50 Cadillac ATS-V Coupe - 1:39.65 Alfa Romeo Giulia QV - 1:39.68 BMW M4 - 1:39.69 BMW M5 (F90) - 1:39.81 Audi TT RS Coupe (Mk III) - 1:39.95 Aston Martin DB11 - 1:40.05 Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI (Mk I) - 1:40.20 ~2020 Porsche Cayenne Turbo - 1:40.27 Mercedes-Benz C 63 AMG S - 1:40.50 BMW M6 (F13) - 1:40.52 Toyota Supra (Mk V) - 1:40.57 Aston Martin AM 310 Vanquish - 1:40.71 Jaguar F-Type V8 S - 1:40.81 BMW M2 Competition (F87) - 1:40.83 Lamborghini Urus - 1:40.90 Bentley Continental GT V8 - 1:41.21 Porsche Cayman S (981) - 1:41.26 Aston Martin V12 Vantage S - 1:41.77 Jaguar F-Type R Coupe - 1:42.00 E 63 AMG S T-Modell - 1:42.39 Challenger SRT Hellcat Redeye - 1:42.70 Jaguar XKR-S (550 PS) - 1:42.90 Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS - 1:43.00 Lexus RC F - 1:43.20 Lexus LC 500 - 1:43.40 C 63 AMG Coupe Edition 507 - 1:43.45 Bentley Continental GT-3 R - 1:43.51 Alfa Romeo 4C - 1:43.78 Honda Civic Type R (FK8) - 1:44.22 BMW i8 - 1:44.29 VW Golf R (Mk VII) - 1:46.01 Bentley Continental GT Speed - 1:46.60 Subaru WRX STI - 1:47.16 Ford Focus ST - 1:49.30 VW Golf GTI (Mk VII 220 PS) - 1:50.11 Mazda MX-5 ND - 1:50.68 Ford Fiesta ST - 1:51.25 Subaru BRZ - 1:51.30

[@jmm1174]

The lap time of the Corvette C8 Z51 was terrible. I wonder if they were using the track alignment 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@Dolby109]

@@jmm1174 I agree, it was pretty bad. The thing is MT usually lets the manufacturers bring along reps, and GM like Ferrari often brings several, so that they can make adjustments to the car. One year when the old Z06 was acting up they found the supercharger intercooler pump was unplugged, but they found it too late. Anyway while the lap was faster than the C7 Z51 it was marginally slower than the Camaro SS 1LE, and given the roughly 1 second quarter mile difference between the two cars I am surprised the C8 wasn't faster.

[@Dolby109]

Updated with all Randy Pobst lap times for Laguna Seca.

[@jasondoe5741]

YOU ARE MAGIC!

[@johnswanson6994]

Wow, the GT4 beat the Corvette with 100 less hp??!!

[@GOINFINITI]

I wish Randy lives forever, so we can always enjoy his spirit, commentary and lap times 😁

[@squidusn71]

He's not dead.

[@mcflu]

@@squidusn71 he's saying he wishes Randy would just be around to race all the cars forever

[@squidusn71]

@@mcflu read it again.

[@mybro727]

@@squidusn71 Not being dead today doesn’t mean he can’t die tomorrow hence their comment wishing he lives forever.

[@squidusn71]

@@mybro727 all good, OP finally edited the comment lol.

[@richq7074]

Randy Pobst. The great equalizer in Motor Trend's Best Driver's Car!

[@arbiter1]

which is neglected when you put a track tire on all other cars but leave 1 car on street tire and say its good.

[@aintnopity]

@@arbiter1 yeah Imagine what the Turbo S would have done with Tracks tyres...

[@SorenX2008]

@@aintnopity Jonny literally said in this video the Corvette was the only car on street tires

[@aintnopity]

@@SorenX2008 thats the same He Said during the 911 Turbo S test. Check it out

[@gearjammergamer8560]

Drives like the devil is chasing him. Randy has said that Chevy never lets him turn off the electronic nanny's on the corvettes............................

[@tracygordon6284]

I love everything he does! He’s a gifted writer, crazy good driver,and one of the nicest people on the planet. He’s the best ambassador for Motorsports in my lifetime!

[@themianagnos3044]

Love watching Randy Pobst driving to C8 really fast; he makes it look so easy, way to go Randy! Keep on tracking...

[@Kcrthn]

Randy is the best!!!! Makes every test exciting and fun to watch.

[@Ramsiusthx]

I can hear Jeremy Clarkson now, “They neutered the ax murderer and made an American Ferrari.”

[@pirkkaruuska5766]

I read that aloud with Clarkson voice... prolly not the only one.

[@blairbrown4812]

I'm not sure 😕 how I feel about this. 🤔 😕

[@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461]

Then why is it 2.2 seconds slower than a c7 grand sport ??

[@ryanmayberry3770]

Jeremy Clarkson be like: " it's just a wannabe Ferrari." Kinda like how people call American hypercars "Kit cars" for having a Ford engine or a LS engine. But when a European hypercar is launched, and people here that it doesn't have an in-house engine, people don't bat an eye at it. Like when the Huayra was released, no one thought twice about it having a Mercedes AMG engine. But when they here that the SSC Ultimate Aero had a LS engine powering it, people lost their minds and instantly called it a kit car. Like that's a load of BS calling the C8 a wannabe Ferrari, or calling American hypercars "kit cars" just cuz they don't have an in-house engine. Even though a lot of European cars use engines from other countries.

[@pirkkaruuska5766]

@@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461 The GS has better tires and if optioned carbon brakes. Also I think agressive aero.

[@993mike]

Man, can’t wait to see this car in the new Z06 spec! It’s a little light on power and tire right now, as the speed going down to turn 2 was a bit low in this crowd.

[@epi2045]

There’s definitely 6-7 seconds on the table for the Vette. Better tires would have dropped 2-3 seconds. A bit more power and breathing 1-1.5 seconds. Track suspension tuning 1 second. Track aero 1 second. Upgraded brakes 0.5 seconds. A ZO6 version will cost similar as the $119K Porsche GT4 and likely be faster than the $224K Porsche 911 Turbo S. Probably would do a 1:29-1:30 lap.

[@epi2045]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 That’s a really good point. I originally put money down on a C8 last July but canceled due to high dealer markups at the time. I’ve owned and tracked Porsches and currently have a Ferrari F430. I would like to get a C8 to track since the F430 isn’t friendly on the wallet out on the tracks.

[@wit2pz]

@@epi2045 keep in mind the fact that it's been shown that simply adjusting the wheel camber to "track" so to speak also improves lap times, even on stock tires.

[@weallfollowmanutd]

Ugliest car there. For a Corvette, it's an appalling job.

[@felixarvidulfkjellberg6361]

Great job MotorTrend and GM engineers. Great video and the car is truly a masterpiece.

[@Keagan-Z06]

Crazy that none of these cars touched the good ol Viper ACR time!

[@REVOonYT]

The ACR got nearly the downforce level as the GT3 Viper. Look at the topspeed of the ACR, 164mph. :))

[@vegafiedmedia]

Yeah but come on- This is a base model C8 hitting 1:37 with all-season tires. Let's see what the Z06 will do with the flat plane.

[@anydaynow01]

@@vegafiedmedia And doing it with class and grace!

[@brownwhale5518]

@@vegafiedmedia plus R compound tires

[@davidverhoef3129]

@@brownwhale5518 Maybe you should listen again: "The only car in the test NOT on R compound tires" The PS4 is a summer tire but it is not an R (Race) compound tire.

[@dukedalington]

The Z06 is going to drill everything.

[@-_--le3zk]

When is that coming out? 2021? or later?

[@richardgarriga6766]

No! is going to be the ZR1 and the Zora is going to drill everything!

[@enjoi543]

@@-_--le3zk usually the z06 comes out a year or two after the base model

[@Mikek88]

@@-_--le3zk most likely 2022

[@nabushdinosaure]

Will have to step up it games to catch C7 Z06 at 1 min 33 though.... That's 4.8s to gain from the Z51 which is A LOT... With only 600HP NA I don't feel as confident it will destroy everything...

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

I LOVE DRIVING THIS TRACK!

[@James-oo1yq]

I am a Scotsman through and through....but YEE HAA! The new Corvette gives you a splash of American Muscle with genuine competitive lap times

[@derbigpr500]

I wouldn't call 1:37,8 a competitive lap time for a 2020 500hp mid engined car. That's almost 2.5 seconds per lap slower than the 2020 Porsche 911 Carrera S. I mean, there's a smaller gap in lap time between the Corvette and the Cayenne than between the Corvette and the 911.

[@James-oo1yq]

@@derbigpr500 For a Corvette with less than 500bhp it's competitive, especially at the price point

[@derbigpr500]

@@James-oo1yq You can buy quicker and overall better cars for 80-90k. A Cayman GTS for example. Considering the GT4 is 1.5 seconds quicker, the GTS would still be just as quick as the Corvette, and would drive better, would be a far higher quality car in other ways as well. And if you don't care about quality at all, and just want performance and power, you can get the GT350 or even the GT500, which are both considerably faster than the C8 too.

[@markgtrheyes]

@@derbigpr500 isn't the gt4 on cup tyres though, which prob make it a second or 2 faster than p4s? For the price, Corvette seems pretty good.

[@James-oo1yq]

@@derbigpr500 This is all true, and if I was in the market for such a car it would not be the Corvette, I wouldn't even consider it. The lack of build quality and modern interior would put me off completely, however if I was wanting to drive something on a one-off track day, something that gives me taste of American muscle...noise...drama! without the absolute madness of the C7 and previous Corvettes, the C8 would be it. I guess the kid in me still enjoys what the Corvette offers.

[@Gltokensp06]

Will y'all z51 C8 vs GT500 people shut up now? 4 seconds doesn't even put them in the same class. The Z06 and ZR1 should be better than the GT500, but let's stop the silliness.

[@plus_eight8400]

Yeah, looking for the car well over the 100k, it better to be good!

[@xosb9154]

Well they cost the same so.... And Chevy people be comparing them more often.... But the thing is GT500 is faster.... Has more horsepower... Looks better.... Sounds better... And is no wannabe ferrrari.... Which looks more like a mosquito 🙄....

[@21sausage9]

gt500 runs on cup2s not ps4s

[@Gltokensp06]

@Derrick Hines Jr Lol. The only people who compare the Mustang and Corvette, are Chevy guys since the Camaro can't compete...

[@xosb9154]

@Derrick Hines Jr it can compete with the GT500 only on short track with a lot bends like Willow springs and that means it comes close the GT500... But on long circuit like Laguna seca or Atlanta or anything that has some straights.... The difference is huge....

[@Forrest_94]

Randy is the only reason I still watch these videos.

[@devinmurdock5717]

the BEST pound for pound supercar especially for the money 💰 , can't wait for the z06 to come out.

[@EK-rr2md]

The base model corvette is a sports car just like all other corvettes. It is nowhere near supercar levels as shown by the lap times in this comparison, lol. Heck, even a 4 year old Camaro SS was quicker around the track than the C8. Camaro must be a supercar too, lol.

[@dbullis2433]

@@EK-rr2md Love it when stupid people enter the chats. Laps times are useless unless they are all on the same tires.

[@EK-rr2md]

@@dbullis2433 Unfortunately manufacturers get to choose which tires the car is equipped with from the factory and that is how the car is and should be tested. A 4 year old Camaro being quicker is just embarrassing, lol.

[@h3runs]

In a group with Lamborghinis, Porsches and Ferraris, I find myself being mostly impressed by this and the Mustang. I think based on the trims and tires tested on both, I'd give the edge to the Mustang at this point, but this C8 platform has me eagerly awaiting the more powerful and better equipped variants which are coming.

[@lollol-xp4mc]

Out of your mind the mustang doesnt even have close to 50/50 weight distibution. You should never speak of a mustang (even tho they are good) in the same breathe as the cars you mentioned. Mustang is a budget gt car its not even a real sports car nevermind a supercar

[@sassiitalytours]

@@lollol-xp4mc It doesn't need it, and was four seconds a lap faster on a 1:33 lap, which is a lifetime.

[@juavicam]

This has definitely become one of my bucket list cars.

[@EK-rr2md]

You've got to dream bigger, lol.

[@Beewiz18]

America

[@smoothfingersjones7657]

Just think... Randy was able to take the 2012 C6 Corvette Z06 with 505hp around Laguna Seca in 134.43. That was a bad azz car. 👏🏽

[@Farmington_River_Rods]

Love my c8. Not just overhyped. It’s a great car

[@johnbehneman1546]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!! GREAT VIDEO RANDY!!!

[@sketchpv3080]

Perhaps 2 seconds quicker had it been using r-comp tires. I’m already making excuses!

[@Marcello2005]

Even without track tires, there is a factory track alignment setting which would increase the time by a substantial amount

[@chadingram6390]

@@Marcello2005 How can you tell it's not in track alignment?

[@Marcello2005]

@@chadingram6390 they would have mentioned the track alignment and there is a few degrees negative camber that the factory can align it to be more cambered for track use

[@chadingram6390]

@@Marcello2005 I would assume they put it in track alignment for a track test, this isn't their first time and they're not amateurs

[@Marcello2005]

@@chadingram6390 I don’t know for sure but I believe Randy could get a faster lap with it.

[@erwincruz6233]

that c8 on yellow just so beautiful

[@jrockrsx1144]

It's crazy when these things first came out they were so rare, now I see them everywhere. It's still cool, but I feel sooner than later the uniqueness and rareness factor will wear off. Still an amazing car for the money, probably the best.

[@chrisminnig7144]

I was just thinking the opposite, getting concerned that none were selling. I live in Los Angeles and have only seen one in the wild. Where do you live where you see so many?

[@LeFatalpotato]

@@chrisminnig7144 I live in a small city in East coast, and people here are usually the "let's save the koalas" type. I have seen two c8s, which is the same amount of current Gen mustangs I saw, but admittedly quite less than challengers going around.

[@PAFORM350]

You could be one of those jerks who paid $10-20k over sticker 🤦‍♂️

[@bob15479]

I have yet to see one in person.

[@dln.sweeney]

@@bob15479 I live in a small town on the east coast of Canada, and there's two here, which is decent considering the rest of the local "car population". This car is meant to be a relatively attainable mid-engined sports car though, and GM surely is hoping it will sell in large numbers.

[@plife911]

Shoulda put cup 2s on it to level the playing field

[@Executiveinvestments-]

you mean to cheat right? mod the car. Butthurt much?

[@plife911]

@@Executiveinvestments- I have a 718 spyder. So no. Not butthurt. Would love to see the GT4 win 🥳

[@Executiveinvestments-]

@@plife911 wow you really are butthurt. Not hard to spot.

[@plife911]

@@Executiveinvestments- not sure why youre bullying on the thread. Jonny made the point that even the truck had R comps. I have no skin in the game with the vette just want the chevy people not to have excuses. The second butthurt comment was you being pissed that i have a spyder and hence am rooting for the gt4.

[@Executiveinvestments-]

@@plife911 first off 2 heavy 5000lb SUV's only 2 seconds slower and no they did not have R comps. 100% street radial tires. Not sure why you are butthurt because this car is a major fail. You should be used to it by now with GM. Keep being butthurt and make up lies. Maybe it make you feel better??? XD

[@terminatorcoyote6319]

And just like that it will become the car of the year and is slower than a gt350r. Motor trend loves chevrolet

[@650ib]

Great review! Randy is a 👹 on the track and Johnny is very well spoken. I ❤️ my C8 🇺🇸👍🏿💪🏿💯🔥

[@ericp2115]

Johnny: KZbinrs aren't real journalists Motortrend: *posts these exclusive videos to KZbin*

[@peep39]

Now we just need the viper back, mid engined with a giant V10

[@josephmorris6090]

The viper is already one of if not the fastest car around the ring.

[@dreadheadrasta19]

It's no reason for a mid engine viper .. current/last gen acr managed a 7.01 on nurb with manual trans... that was with a 8 year old platform.... New AMG gt just took nurb record beating out all mid engines. Only thing viper need is is more funding for a better platform & a automatic paddle option to cater for the " I want to drive fast with no skill audience."

[@spacemanjoe7074]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 nah that’s exactly why American things suck now. We’re so afraid to break the mold of what “should be happening” or what’s “tradition”. The C8 broke the mold and realized it’s founder’s dream of becoming mid engined, and won car of the year.

[@drewmorg.]

Everyone keep in mind the 2017 Grand Sport (wide body with Z06 suspension and brakes) they ran had full Z07 Aero package and Cup 2 tires !!!!! This C8 was fully loaded 3LT with max leather trim on PS4S! Excellent result indeed.

[@theclutch19]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 it looks like track alignment. The fronts look like they have the neg 3 degrees camber.

[@nabushdinosaure]

Stock C7 Z51 with PSS and manual transmission did 1 min 38.28s so only 0.45s slower. Camaro SS 1LE was 0.1s faster than the C8 in 2017. Nothing glorious at all with this laptime

[@drewmorg.]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 Good points. Also worth nothing, he destroyed his $1300 brake pads in 2 days worth of hard sessions there. Not sure how other cars fare.

[@nabushdinosaure]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 This car was using track alignment dude. Look at the camber in the front. Read what I wrote yourself. And Speed phenom did the 1min38 on cup2

[@nabushdinosaure]

@@saltyfloridaman7163 It is definitely not. Go 1min35 on the video is FAR from stock alignment. Clearly 3deg +. I'm racing my cars since 15 years on roadcourse and AutoX I know how to see "track camber". Very easy to see how far away the wheel is from top fenders. You are a C8 Fanboy right ? Butt hurt ? We all knew the C8 was not fast on a track since the first day reviews where it was 0.9s faster than a C7 Z51 on the same track with cars and drivers. The one thing we can say is for sure it is easier to drive fast than the C7, especially when the C7 is not aligned properly. Also if you knew what you were talking about you would not say -3deg on 4 tires. too much negative camber on the rear is counter productive (best on C8 is around -2deg), bad for traction. track alignment And the purpose of the -3deg in front is to reduce understeer.

[@johnbehneman1546]

I LOVE IT!!!!! I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH A BASE CORVETTE!!!! THANK YOU, GM!!!! YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK AND IT SHOWS!!! GREAT VIDEO & THANKS FOR SHARING!!!!

[@EK-rr2md]

Slower than a 4 year old Camaro SS, lol. Great job GM.

[@MichaelGreco]

To quote Randy. It's not brutal. For Street driving having a brutal Corvette is what makes it fun, that and a manual transmission. The raw slightly unrefined nature of the car is what makes it so fun. So for now I will stick with my C7

[@vegafiedmedia]

"Fun" is subjective. Having something that's brutal doesn't always equate to fun. Also, it's hilarious that you consider a Base model c7, brutal.

[@2jsanc681]

Been following the c8 for years. Saw one the other day and caught myself mid sentence saying "look its a Lamborgh-". These things are great

[@oXj0s3Xo]

Almost what i was expecting (1:38) what surprised me is the difference with the weaker and manual cayman GT4 (1:36.1)

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

Tires and suspension.

[@EK-rr2md]

Wow, a manual with less hp beat the C8? Very impressive.

[@evanescent0311]

GT4 is the real deal and 1:36.1 is a fantastic time.. kinda sad the C8 wasn’t on R comps like every other car in the test but oh well.

[@Executiveinvestments-]

@@evanescent0311 what? The 911 turbo did it in 1:32 on basic street tires, but oh well. More butthurt fanboys here.

[@MrMintoni]

And 100 kg lighter

[@Ladco77]

I'm flabbergasted that it ran just a hair slower than the 2017 Camaro SS 1LE. I'm sure the Z06 or whatever the next high end version is will destroy the 1LE, but for the Camaro to be so comparable in performance to the C8 Z51 really shows just how good that 1LE is. Phenomenal.

[@Etruscan70]

1LE runs track tires , that matters .

[@Cataclysm1]

You said this is the only car not on R compound, but the 911 was just on P-Zeros.

[@SocketToMe]

C8 Z51 1:37.83 Camaro6 SS 1LE 1:37.78 Different days, same driver, same track. For the money, the SS 1LE is the best track car out there.

[@jmm1174]

Or the Camaro ZL1 or Corvette C7 Grand Sport

[@shaunlunney7551]

Smaller tighter tracks will benefit more from the corvette's agility

[@SocketToMe]

@@shaunlunney7551 Oh, not knocking the C8 Z51... it's a VERY respectable time! However, I was expecting it to be closer to 1:36. The real performance C8 will be fantastic, I'm sure. And, yes, the C8 is probably easier to get fast, consistent times out of compared to the Camaro (although the Camaro is a pretty friendly car to boot itself).

[@physetermacrocephalus9986]

@@shaunlunney7551 not really. It seems the Corvette’s only advantage over the SS 1LE is straight line speed.

[@shaunlunney7551]

@@physetermacrocephalus9986 Put them on a smaller track and the gap will widen, guaranteed

[@TJHall]

Love the corvette! Can’t believe you can compete w super cars w a corvette

[@PKmode]

That time wasn't exactly competing with supercars but I hear you. Bang for the buck is great and a big step forward in materials and refinement.

[@mrlegendarymachine5542]

Wait until the zr1 comes out

[@jardog16981]

The last 2 generations have really been competing in terms of track lap times. This version of the c8 is just the base model. There are much faster versions coming

[@Executiveinvestments-]

lol not even close to supercar numbers here. The 911 Turbo was 5 seconds quicker which is a lifetime.

[@Executiveinvestments-]

@@mrlegendarymachine5542 yeah in 5 years when it comes out, hehe, all cars will be faster. But why talk about a car that does not exist? Butthurt or something?

[@slackjaw703]

It’d be nice to put the time on a board against the other cars that have ran the course top gear style, just to see where it falls among the competition.

[@asakuras01]

You can do that.

[@derbigpr500]

Well, to give you an idea, a 911 Carrera S lapped it in 1.35.5. So about 2.3 seconds faster, with less power and more weight than the Corvette, and even the same PS4 tires.

[@corystansbury]

@@derbigpr500 Except it weighs more, not less.

[@mogulme6190]

@@derbigpr500 how much those cars cost?

[@michaelgraves5320]

Mustang did a 1.33, I hope the Z06 can be a monster

[@Jimmyxsx]

Gt500 is a beast💪💪💪

[@DatW268]

GT500 beat C8 and ZL1 1LE at Laguna Sega! Two Chevy is down! I don't know why i got tears in my eye... Maybe Carrol Shelby and Henry Ford is watching the GT500 rocking!

[@travispfannmuller7717]

Gt500 cf version is a monster for sure... for about 10 laps until the tires go away due to the weight. Speed phenom does a ton of testing on the one he purchased but decided to sell due to the expense and inconvenience of a tank of fuel for every 20 minute track session and a set tires for every day at the track. Awesome car nonetheless.

[@Jimmyxsx]

@@travispfannmuller7717 thats why the GT350R is the best all around track Mustang.

[@creatineenjoyer7345]

I expected a better lap time but thats still pretty good

[@perfect872]

I guess Godzila still the best time for hot lap than C8

[@willfischer4767]

It’s still underpowered against the others.

[@derbigpr500]

@@willfischer4767 "underpowered" - Really? 500hp is underpowered now? It has more power than the 2020 911 Carrera S, and weighs less, yet its 2.5 seconds per lap slower on the same tires. More importantly, it has more power and less weight than the C7 GS, and it's still slower.

[@stephenchatman8655]

Let's not forget this is the only car not on race tires, which could literally take 2 seconds off the lap time. The tires did this car a disservice.

[@corystansbury]

@@derbigpr500 The Corvette does not weigh less than the Carrera S. Where did you get that?

[@Keagan-Z06]

Was not expecting that time, was hoping it would beat the Cayman. Bring on the Z06!

[@Pepelopez642]

Put a Sport Cup 2 tire on it !

[@victorrosenbaum8588]

It is a American boat, of corse it could not beat a German engineered car

[@jorgegurrola5939]

Randy is the best

[@joephysics5469]

Randy is a race driver wrapped in the body and personality of a nerdy engineer.

[@normt430]

I have talked with him a few times at Audi club events. He is very down to earth.

[@Gltokensp06]

Y'all out here trying to compare the Z51 C8 to a GT500 when it's slower than a base GT350....

[@fahadkhalid6944]

Exactly what I thought. And much slower than AMG GTs

[@austinoakley7391]

Ain't that funny I just realized this myself

[@pauldejohn8710]

Irs just slow really the zo6 should be different

[@ZacharyJ21]

@Rinzler that's exactly what I said.

[@jmm1174]

On a previous test by MT the Corvette C8 Z51 on track alignment matched the performance of the Shelby GT500 (non CFTP) both riding on Michelin Pilot P4S tires.

[@twobighedz]

I'm gonna park one of these in my garage real soon!

[@Shamphere]

THANK YOU, For mentioning that this was only the base model C8. So many comparisons talk like they just compared the highest level Corvette to the highest level ______. What will be released in the next 2 years will blow that base model C8 out of the cosmos.

[@PetrolheadAEHG]

This was exactly one second slower that the regular GT350... I was expecting more from a mid engine AT Corvette

[@lopeedzooyork323]

N/A 🤡

[@gaddyify]

But you still comparing a high-level Mustang to the base Corvette? Imagine comparing the performance of the base model GT to the Corvette? And don't bring up the price difference, because that's why you don't compare a Mustang to a Corvette in the first place.

[@l-danm1060]

@@gaddyify Okay, that being said I need an explanation about why a mid-engined 500 HP Corvette gets kicked by the little brother with its 1LE pack. I would hope that a Z51 Vette could do better than a SS 1LE. And about the GT350 it's not even the R that is better, a base GT350 is a second quicker, I know it's not as common as a GT but come on, the C8 is supposed to be like a mid-engined exotic supercar...

[@blaisebeachman6354]

@@l-danm1060 It does worse in this test for a few reasons. 1. Camaro SS 1LE comes with stickier tires than this 2. The car is short shifting. This happens when it is in certain modes and in drive instead of manual. There is one in my garage, I know from experience. 3. The C8 owners manual provides alignment settings you are meant to use when on track. This is good for about 2 seconds of lap time. MotorTrend chose not to use that alignment. 4. This car does not have the high wing option. The high wing provides slightly more downforce while significantly decreasing drag. All in all, MotorTrend fucked up. At a bare minimum the car should be in track mode, shifted manually and on the track alignment. I get why they didn't use R compound tires (Base stingray doesn't come with them) but with everything else stated above it would conservatively have been 2 to maybe even 2.5 seconds quicker.

[@EK-rr2md]

All I see are excuse after excuse. The C8 failed big time and did not live up to the hype, plain and simple.

[@thomaschung9310]

So nice to see 3 Porsches in the lineup!

[@JordanPayneLV]

Love the new c8, can’t wait to see what they do with the ZO6

[@Bajsi7]

I realize the lap time is not the only factor but still, you could write them in the description for those of us who are interested in comparison between this years cars. Keep up the excellent job! You're the best!

[@iroczinoz]

The C8 lapped it slower than a 2016 Camaro SS 1LE which has a manual, FE and 40 less HP. This C8 not living up to the hype when you can't beat a 2016 Camaro time.

[@Boatdudefrontrunner]

Love the mustang it looks sweet !!! And the vet is cool to😎

[@justmy2cents_]

One of my two favorite drivers all time! Randy Pobst & my second favorite Chris Harris (his drifts are insane) these two gentleman really know how to track test a car!! Can't wait for the ZO6 version of this new C8 should be a real track monster!! ps honorable mention: Tiff Needell & Vicki Henderson 👍

[@jmm1174]

Also Andy Pilgrim from Automobile mag

[@lynzhu3343]

I remember a 45K dollar ss 1le did 1.37 at Luguna Seca, correct?

[@waltermiller249]

But did they do the track alignment first? Makes a big difference

[@Executiveinvestments-]

so you mean "mod" the car? Yeah ok.

[@waltermiller249]

@@Executiveinvestments- comes that way from the factory so no it's not a modification

[@Executiveinvestments-]

@@waltermiller249 if its that way form the factory then why would you ask if it was "modded"? lol Yeah ok. Does not come like that off the showroom floor. But nice to try and sneak that mod in.

[@waltermiller249]

@@Executiveinvestments- obviously u don't get it, nightmare!

[@Executiveinvestments-]

@@waltermiller249 obviously you cant answer my question. But yeah, why dont we mod the car from its factory specs? LMFAO!!!!

[@specwill1]

ZO6 will be a beast!

[@FlyingNDriving]

It's really not much faster than the C7. Not surprised it's a bit slower than the porsche. It fits in right where it should be. I'll take the stick.

[@gbales84]

What tires did they have on the C7 Stingray for that 1.28 test? If they were street tires they were likely worse than the Pilot Sport 4S tires the C8 has on it too.

[@gaddyify]

The man practically says the C8 is superior to the C7.

[@EK-rr2md]

@@gaddyify It is a little better but not much. What is sad is the C7 GS with 35 less hp, a manual tranny, front engine, and leaf springs is still faster or a 4 year old Camaro SS is also faster around the track.

[@Gjeebs]

The thumbnail is amazing

[@jamesroberts2682]

Every car review ever: "unlike the previous version, which was unrefined, this one is great"... Repeat every four years.

[@GODEYE270115]

All these nice cars, so much tech and cutting edge autos. And they still can’t touch the manpedal god Viper ACR times 👑🐍

[@antdiesel3]

Wasn’t the 911 on street tires as well?

[@mattyoz0]

Yes.

[@immanuelo.9548]

I just know the Z06 is going to be such a monster.

[@woodyholland9865]

I looked at all the videos released so far and pretty much all the cars entering the carousel were about the same speed. Did the same for several turns. So difference seems to be power on straights. C8 just needs more HP. Come on Chevy, C8 needs Z06! Mustang was amazing!

[@hunterbear2421]

i heard there was going to be a aftermarket supercharger. also its going soo rare i think because they only made 20k of them. because of covid and i have no idea how many are z51s

[@twowheelslater7112]

Man that car sounds good.

[@nickvarga463]

C7 Manual Grand Sport dope af!!!

[@hasanhas00n1]

Its absolutely stunning the only issue i have with this car is the awful button layout

[@michaelgraves5320]

Anybody else think Stick Shift should be a requirement to be a "drivers car" 🤔

[@paulcabinatan2390]

If you can’t drive a stick properly, are you driving the car?

[@afroman5531]

Not a requirement, but atleast make it a 50/50 offering 🙄

[@michaelgraves5320]

@@paulcabinatan2390 Are you asking if the driver can downshift rev match and bang through the gears like a pro? Most people who drive a manual do just fine, but ask yourself what makes a drivers car. Is it numb electronic steering, paddle shift/auto, magnaride suspension? Or more like a connection with the car, ill take a bmw m30, miata, C6 corvette and many others over all of these "drivers cars"

[@jeffreytinsley3208]

Pardon me but I heard a mistake in this video and hate to be the one to showcase it but... Jonny made a statement about the C8 Corvette being the only car this time around on street tires however in the Hot Lap review of the 992 Turbo S, we were notified that it was running on everyday Pirelli P Zero's and not the stickier P Zero Corsa's... So doesn't that mean...? 🤔

[@redrum5.0_]

All these comparisons and the gt500 is probably gonna end up taking second to some $250k exotic like the gt350 did

[@thenavigator5889]

two totally different driving experiences. 350 and 350R have already gained accolades the 500 will never. sure, faster , but drivers car? I don't think so.

[@marcovanni1851]

Good looking C8; another awesome run ✌️

[@Dolby109]

Interesting...not as good as I expected. This was just barely slower than the Camaro SS 1LE was a few years ago. Just shows how good the Alpha chassis is. Given how quickly the C8 accelerates I am wondering if it doesn't handle very well (maybe forgiving in feel, but slower in peak corner speed).

[@jmm1174]

The 6th gen Camaro ZL1 or the SS1LE are better options.👍

[@Etruscan70]

1LE has R-compound tires though , that matters.

[@Dolby109]

@@Etruscan70 Not the SS 1LE, it has summer tires. The ZL1 1LE has the R version of the same tire.

[@Etruscan70]

@@Dolby109 yes the ss1 le tires are classified as extreme performance, just like the Michelin Sport cup2’s. You can reference tirerack.

[@jaball77]

You can tell when Randy trusts the car on corner exit... you can hear the gas pedal slap down to the floor haha.

[@Keagan-Z06]

MT, I know yall reran the C8 with some better tires, those all season tires sure sticks out like a sore thumb in this test.

[@Gltokensp06]

I mean, the PS4S tires are no joke man. They're far from your average summer and the closest thing you're gonna get to a r compound tire without going to an r compound tire

[@flyingphoenix113]

@@Gltokensp06, that's true, but they're still a long ways from a Cup 2 or Cup 2R. Like most recent Vette's, the C8's lap time is likely very tire-dependant.

[@karlmalone11]

They aren't all season tires

[@Keagan-Z06]

@@karlmalone11 excuse me PS4's

[@jamesmiles1456]

I wonder if anyone knows that the 2017 Camaro SS 1LE posted a time 137.78 at the same track with the same Driver?

[@EK-rr2md]

Yeah that is pretty embarrassing for the C8.

[@roaddog7542]

Looked like it was struggling to gain speed going uphill after corner six I believe. Speedometer stayed flat in the 105 range. 🤔

[@lee1130fromtwitter]

It runs out of legs at 100 because of the power to weight. Fast shifts don't help there

[@blaisebeachman6354]

Pretty sure that was just the digital speedo lagging. I can confirm it pulls plenty hard after 100 lmao

[@uivideo7637]

Just an amazing car, great job Chevy Engineer's.

[@nabushdinosaure]

Kind of a shock that a Camaro SS 1LE is as fast...

[@ericmichel3857]

The 1LE is a really good car but the tires make a big difference. The 1LE is on the F1 supercar 200 tread wear R tire, the base Corvette is on the MPS4, a good 300 tread wear high performance street tire, but there is a big difference. There are plenty of tests showing this sort of tire difference could easily mean 2-3 seconds a lap. Even the C7 Grand Sport did a 135.6 and that is mostly due to the difference in tires.

[@jonienglish3231]

Ferrari F2003-GA 1:05:786 @ 7 March 2012 !!!!!!!! F1 Car - Driver : Marc Gene Reynard 2KI 1:07:722 @ 16 March 2000 Indy CART - Driver : Helio Castroneves

[@JanMichaelFranklin]

Put it on R compounds and send it back out!

[@mattyoz0]

Hahahahah. Put cup 2's on the 911.

[@JanMichaelFranklin]

@@mattyoz0 originally they said the Vette was the only car there not on R's. Guess they forgot about the 911.

[@jonienglish3231]

WELL DONE RANDY !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Does it Again so Smooth

[@bigsho5218]

Funny thing about the corvette is that everyone always talks about the upcoming one ... no one seems to be truly satisfied with this one because they always have to emphasize its the BASE

[@Marcello2005]

Your very right! For under 80k this thing is competition for the 911 Carrera S and AMG GTS

[@Viper3048]

It's not that they aren't satisfied, it's just that it's difficult to compare this to everything when you know that better versions are coming and they still have the same value proposition. The Z06 will probably cost $90k and be vastly superior to the base C8, but still compared to the same competition.

[@Marcello2005]

@@Viper3048 yeah which sucks because the C8 Z06 is already said to perform better than the previous generation ZR1. I just hope they stop trying to class it with price and instead performance, because it is a super car and will destroy others.

[@bigsho5218]

@@Marcello2005 yeah that’s the thing about a Vette ... price wise it was a great performer per dollar but when you compared the C7 Z06 and ZR1 to cars with close power it got beat up... ie GT2RS, 720s Huracan Performante ... just to name a few ... those cars beat it pretty convincingly last go round

[@bigsho5218]

@@Viper3048 oh you can speak for them now right ? Shut up talking to me , you’re the biggest corvette fan girl in the world ! I remember your name from the CarBuzz app

[@joetz1]

I wonder if this lap was done with the “track alignment” which is supposed to fix the understeer

[@drewmorg.]

It really seemed to be struggling under the hard braking like almost all Corvette's from videos I've seen

[@jmm1174]

I also doubt that they used the track alignment

[@theclutch19]

It looks to be track alignment. The fronts look like they have the neg 3 degrees camber.

[@lee1130fromtwitter]

So they added 10k to do .4 better than a c7 and took away the manual... K. Sounds like they could have just improved the c7 FR drivetrain for that kind of improvement

[@gaddyify]

I never wanted a Corvette until now, Randy was enthusiastic.

[@randyjr3479]

U should would read his thing on motor trend he didn't like as much as you think.

[@gaddyify]

STFU, it's Motortrend Car of the year, and if he said anything, then that was an early version, this a production model. And he's loving this car watch the video.

[@randyjr3479]

@@gaddyify read the article, reading is fundamental and this motortrend its bought and he said the same thing everyone says its cool but not great on track and its turn in is horrible but thats on track . It's a nice riding car dont get crazy test drove it before I bought my gt500 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@theroadahead415]

Wow he got a quicker time in a camaro SS 1LE ...hmm

[@BitcoinTo150K]

@buister s2k SS=6.2 n/a 455 hp don't know times just saying

[@SuperSilvi1990]

That why its impressive they have this time on street tires. The SS 1LE has Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3 tires in a 285 and 305 size.

[@theroadahead415]

Its got 455. I own one haha

[@physetermacrocephalus9986]

@@SuperSilvi1990 The Camaro doesn’t have R-compounds tho.

[@SuperSilvi1990]

@@physetermacrocephalus9986 the c8 stock is on pilot sport4 all season tires. There not even summer tires.

[@MaxwellReviresco]

Thank God they mentioned the tires disparity. Interesting that it only did 4ths faster than previous stingray. He kept mentioning "base model", what dies that mean? Z51 package, or no? Did they adjust the suspension accordingly...if so, or no? I have questions like these.

[@EK-rr2md]

Base model means it is not the Z06, Zr1, etc.

[@MaxwellReviresco]

@@EK-rr2md Probably right. I wonder if they did the adjustments of the suspension too. There wasn't any mention of it. It would be cool to see how the none Z51 set-up, and the adjustments would all play out on track too.

[@Samxdr_]

Typical Porsche a Cayman with a manual trans and less horsepower beats the corvette lol

[@jmm1174]

I wonder if MT set the C8 to track alignment 🤔🤷‍♂️

[@Samxdr_]

@@jmm1174 it was Johnny said it was straight from Chevy

[@SupercarDriven]

C8 is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Jrv200008]

Over 2 seconds slower than a C7 GrandSport with a manual. What a disappointment

[@jmm1174]

Yes, I agree with your comment 🤦‍♂️

[@RobertA-pp3kb]

Yes surprised so slow wrt the C7 for the new physical layout. Maybe just too much more weight

[@gsxr1189]

Type r tires vs street tires and that's what happens

[@nabushdinosaure]

@@gsxr1189 Yep but dual clutch with far better gearing should help vs crappy geared M7 on C7 GS (I know I have one...)

[@gmonte12]

Where is the Ford GT? It has been improved with lightness and would love to see what it would do. It cost 400K plus and would like to see if it is worth it. LOL Great video!

[@EK-rr2md]

Umm it came out 3 years ago...

[@gmonte12]

@@EK-rr2md kzbin.info/www/bejne/jH_Sh4qIid6feKc

[@EK-rr2md]

@@gmonte12 It was still released 3 years ago. They generally dont revisit old cars.

[@gmonte12]

@@EK-rr2md I guess you are right, like the Mustang.

[@omdizzle05]

Redoooo on RRR please

[@MrWillyCC]

Wait!!!! I thought 1:37 was a bit slow for him in that car. Gotta do it again with track tires!!

[@jmm1174]

KZbinr Speed Venom got rid of his Shelby GT500, GT500 CFTP & his beloved GT350R, but only kept his Corvette C8 Z51. 🤔

[@voodoodiecast]

He lost it. I understand he likes to drive more cars but he just lost it with the mid engine hype. Can’t believe he sold his GT500 Supersnake, 2020 GT500 both handling pack and cftp and the GT350R. He is hopping the mid engine train.

[@jmm1174]

@@voodoodiecast He complained about this GT500 CFTP that his new cup tires only lasted one day at the track and that he had to fill 5 times his tank during that day. Also he was expelled from Laguna Seca because he was above the allowed noise dB.

[@dailylife3975]

That was the only reason why i watch his channel actually i think we all watched his channel dumb he got rid of them and kept crappy c8

[@MarMPB]

I think that car is fantastic! But why talk about the C7 Grand Sport? Let’s talk C6 Z06 in 2012 MT Hot Lap! Almost identical power on old Michelin Cup 1 and a blistering 1:34:4 lap time! How I miss mine...

[@Gchang54]

So same time as 6th gen camaro ss/5th gen z28...

[@300cmysrt8]

If you know the specs of that camaro then it's rather impressive.

[@Gchang54]

Forgot to put 1le

[@austinoakley7391]

Its not that impressive when your flagship 'supercar' is no faster than your older muscle car is.

[@300cmysrt8]

@@austinoakley7391 It's the base vette on reg tires vs the track focused camaro on a better compound which is far more sports car now than muscle car. Tires make a huge difference which they mentioned. That being said, it shows that being mid engined doesn't by itself make a car faster around a track. Chevy has decades of experience in front engine sports cars and basically none with the mid configuration. I don't see them taking down Ferraris, mclarens in their first base vette. Might not even happen with the z06 but I hope it does.

[@jmm1174]

I think that the Corvette C8 Z51 should be the 2020 best driver's car. The car looks and drives great. Has a lot of performance for the money. ME V8, DCT, etc. What not to love specially on track alignment.🏆 The only thing missing is the availability of a MT☹. The DCT performance is great.

[@voodoodiecast]

Except that the GT500 is the more superior car. More power, faster, weapon on the corners, dct trans, loud exhaust, better visibility. Hard to beat it but you can’t go wrong on either car.

[@edluv100]

Not that much faster than the c7 especially since the C8 has the DCT and more power .

[@EK-rr2md]

Only about 0.4 secs quicker. It is also 2 secs slower than last generation GS which has a manual, less hp, leaf springs, and front engine...

[@EdMiF]

@@EK-rr2md ...and basically a Z06 without the LT4.

[@EK-rr2md]

@Rubedo Alaberti 30 extra hp and a DCT is also a noticeable impact, lol. I guess just not enough though.

[@jmm1174]

Dam, terrible lost against the Porsche Cayman GT4. I wasn't expecting that. The Corvette C7 Grand Sport and the Camaro ZL1 perform better than the C8 Corvette.

[@edluv100]

I’m not bashing the C8 , but I was expecting more improvement from the last generation vette. Especially on a road course which the C8 should be in its element

[@dannyzuehlsdorf3697]

Randy feels like he was in a boxing match after eating a bowl of oatmeal.