2020 KTM 1290 Super Duke R | In-Depth Review

More power, less weight, new electronics - and a linkage! Is the 2020 KTM 1290 Super Duke R worth the upgrade? Statham and The Algarve hold the answers...
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[@thedogfather-yu2ob]

"I've got a reeally itchy arsehole" the 2020 super duke from ktm - available at your local ktm dealership.

[@sinnombre2147]

Phenomenal coverage and review of a bike as always. For me the most important aspect of why 44Teeth reviews are so good; You never try to hide the fact that there are other moto-journalist at the event, getting the same invite. You don’t film around them, you don’t edit other riders out. We get exactly what you are seeing at the event and it’s fantastic. You are the best, never change, stay golden Pony Boy.

[@Porkycheun]

That's a good point, very true!

[@bobhill2057]

Amen

[@williamcb78]

I’m here cos the bants are non stop !! 🤙🏻

[@HydraSperati]

"Praise the Orange Lord" has a slightly different ring in the US.

[@Braselton21]

I felt that...

[@aamir.khan.1991]

Ooof!

[@FRAYZEO8]

LOOOOOOOOOL orange blob more like

[@DamnDiesel]

carnival barker....

[@Miata822]

Yes, somewhat more "Goosesteppy."

[@homersimpson2963]

Why does it have a front wheel?

[@tarmacsurfers]

Homer Simpson “lolling hard bro”

[@progste]

for stoppies

[@mark675]

Just for when its parked up

[@gerardmontgomery280]

For that rolling burnout at the start.

[@rab..]

Same reason it's got a kickstand , so it doesn't fall over when it's parked

[@left-hand-threaded]

I’m a really big fan of the layout of how you guys review, you do a first impressions sort of thing then maybe a quick update and onboard , then you do a full fat review with the both of you, really good way of doing it

[@seanmapley7417]

You guys are killing it best reviews out there! you guys should have 1 mil subs easy!

[@RRSmurf]

As a past 990 Superduke owner, this is my dream bike. Bar none. God I want it so bad, I might even start making an effort at work to get it.

[@avalanx]

Such a great review format, quickly becoming the best in the business. Good job lads!

[@phillip406]

I’ve bought a 2021 SuperDuke R and I absolutely adore it. It’s immense power and it’s the best bike I’ve ever had to give smiles per mile.

[@Jx1official]

How is it when having a pillion ?

[@Zach_Routhier]

That track session in Portimao with all the mates wheeling down the straight and tearing up that closed circuit looked like literally the greatest fun I've seen. Love this channel. Amazing review. Cheers gents

[@missydee6085]

Welcome indeed to The Church of Braaaaaappppppp! 😍

[@SkuStyle]

CHEMICAL TRAILS ¬ @11:55 This is nice isn't it??? WTF now trust the review lol.

[@JDWhittaker2]

Yes, new vid on the 44 tubes. Highlight of the day vegetating after coming off night shift.

[@nathanmiller5209]

love the quality production values and the banter, thanks guys.

[@sk2283]

Great review, you manage to give a lot more ‘feeling’ in your reviews, I can’t wait to test ride one !

[@bboness713]

Best channel on KZbin and the best thing on the internet. Great work guys, love the Super Duke and your input. Keep up the great work!

[@bboness713]

Great to get feedback from the channel. Really shows you value your viewers. Can't say enough good things, I'm going to become a supporter all the way from beautiful Breckenridge, Colorado USA

[@primitivemass]

Would love a go on one of these! Great review as always lads 👍🏻

[@jonberlin6131]

Fantastic review as always, production so on point I watched it twice!✊🏼💨💨

[@mark675]

18:36 me going past a shop window 😄

[@LambChopRides]

Wow looks great! Nice to see Luke on the other side of the fence, looking forward to seeing his unbiased review 😂

[@srtspeedy4983]

44 Teeth delivers the most fun, the most informative and long Review off the Austrian oak ; )

[@parko1965]

When your speedo reads "0" and your rev counter reads 9K your having fun.

[@kiwiabroad8390]

Quality work and slick production as always. Sounds like the Beast now has a new outfit, gone to finishing school and wants to party.

[@gerardmontgomery280]

There's a KTM dealership just up the road from me, I have to keep reminding myself how poor I am.

[@RRSmurf]

Food and housing are overrated. Get the bike.

[@fivespeed3026]

They wheelied so much the license plates scraped off! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@martinfpss]

Best ever bike review video? definitely! Not only is the Duke better but 44Teeth, already insanely good, just keeps going from strength to strength. Loves it!

[@SkuStyle]

CHEMICAL TRAILS ¬ @11:55 This is nice isn't it??? WTF Brain dead, now trust the review lol.

[@TheSuperpod]

Fantastic review. I see this thing in my near future ! I believe this bike appeals to folks who are quick around the track and then riding road becomes not so exciting at some point on a proper supersport. So instead of going mach speeds on public roads, it is pure fun to just pop some wheelies, skids, stoppies at an overall slower pace from A to B. I had Tuono for 2 years - awesome bike, but like you said , this package is different.

[@Firestorm637]

Owned a 2016 SD GT and now a 2018 SDR. Love the very unique motor. All that torque and horsepower all below 9500 rpm. Perfect got the street, Goldilocks zone!

[@TheBobstephenson]

Great review. I have the gen 2 with acrapovic mupo suspension Kim rearsets etc and I absolutely love it. Prefer it to my zx10 trackbike. Stable as a very stable thing. Fun fun fun. This thing must be very good indeed.

[@CycleCruza]

KTM must be the only motorcycle company in the world that holds the quick-shifter hostage and demands a ransom for it.

[@xTheNameisEthan]

CycleCruza suppose that means you’re not too keen on getting a 2020 super duke then lol

[@jurgenbuntinx1]

i own a superduke 1290 R from 2018 and trust me even with anti wheelie on you can do a wheelie from 1st to 3rd gear without the front wheel touching the ground

[@jurgenbuntinx1]

even in 5th gear when driving 120km/h and you twist the throttle it will come of the ground

[@SDrtheone]

Worth every penny

[@Trystan46]

If you find the correct dealer they will include everything for you , I did !!!

[@JohnCarter-eg4ws]

I have almost 6,000 miles on my 2019 super duke and the front tire looks brand new.I’ve noticed confidence is something you earn ,it’s not given.I don’t start shaking till almost an hour before I ride ,not the night before like I use to...I love it !!!

[@blacksonic1005]

6000 miles how is this possible! My front is finished at 2000 and the back tire at 1400!

[@oneonlyxram]

This is a testament to you guys and the way you do reviews. I really don't care for this type of bike, I respect them they're cool, but not my style. However I still watched this whole review because of the pair of you. Great review.

[@ridewherever]

I’m only at 4:00 but i remember Chris saying that they should make the TFT orange and black a while ago and look, they did it. 👍🏻

[@MrJonnyh1972]

Quality vid that. Gives a real perspective of everyday blokes on a track day 👊🏼

[@CajunGreenMan]

'Praise the Orange Lord', 'Church of Braaap'! And the way you guys place this bike among others with a degree of precision and verbal acuity is what sets you out compared to other motorcycle journalists. Keep up the great work!

[@crownmoto]

24:25 - The reaction of every single person who has ridden my Super Duke when they twist the throttle

[@parovcs9941]

Great work you guys do at 44Teeth. So , as I'm looking forward to the 2020 hypernaked model class, I was waiting for the new Duke and the Ducati Streetfighter. For starters, I'm was impressed with the new Duke, but after seeing it live couple of days ago in Berlin's Motorshow, and compared to the Italian Exoticas, it lacks finishing quality at least, not to mention pricing and all the aftermarket stuff you have to add on ( Quickshifter etc.) Also, For some reason it feels cheap compared to Aprilia and Ducati. On the other hand , after seeing the bonkers Ducati Streetfighter in person, it's definitely one of the most beautiful bikes out there, huge wow factor the power / weight ratio, but still noticing the details behind the dash and on the control buttons, it seems like an unfinished project. Not to mention that just an aftermarket exhaust will cost around 4k in €. ( compared to the old all time classic Streetfighter 1098s, this one lacks uniqueness ). Last but not least, the king on modern Hypernakeds, the Aprilia Tuono, which yes it only got some carbon parts and new paint for 2020, yes it might be a 10year old design ( but still an Italian beauty) , yes it still doesn't have led, someone can write no fuel gauge, or reliability issues ( valve check during the big service ), but it's still is the bike to beat. One of the best engines ever built, quality finish in most parts around, sound from another planet, ohlins electronic front and rear, and on fast roads or track, no KTM, no Ducati , no Yamaha will catch up the Thunder, cause Aprilia's frame is far superior than anyone else . That's why the rsv4 is still faster in lap times, that's why the Tuono will be still the king of Hypernakeds. The new s1000r has yet to come, but as the current model, they tried to create a 'German' Tuono, so good luck trying again. And considering the prices of each to reach the standard equipment of the Tuono 1100 factory, for me there's nothing else more valuable out there. Best road bike money can buy as Statham rightly said still on 2020. Taking all this into consideration, I'm ordering the Aprilia Tuono Factory in May, to enjoy the wonderful Summer days in Greece. Hopefully this text won't disturb you guys, it's just my honest opinion after years of riding. Peace & love motorcycling friends!

[@paulhammal7231]

Great review. I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these.... A stable mate for the equally bonkers V4S.

[@mbtfp]

I can´t wait till you guys test the Ducati Streetfighter...! All other KZbin channels aren´t that much fun, informative, inspiring etc. to watch! cheers!

[@oliash92]

awesome review as always

[@timothy9596]

Another great review. This is my grail bike and someday, someday it will be mine.

[@Terraceview]

McWilliams doing 250kph wheelies. I'll take it.

[@gabrieljohannson6777]

Been waiting for this review.......Didn't disappoint in the least. Standout review.

[@cecilwilson5442]

Another great review from you guys and thanks for the answers on the electronic questions on the minds of most possible purchasers in the simplicity of the new settings and no more having to reset the modes or buy a dongle 😍thanks fellas

[@bigbadbobdunn]

The two of you have progressed into the best motorcycle KZbin show. How does the KTM compare to the Ducati Street Fighter?

[@r6mt09]

that exhaust config is masterful

[@Mr_Frazza]

I remember a few years back when you did the launch of the MT10SP and i loved how much fun you said it was, a year on in 2018 i got my own MT10SP and love every second of it, not cause its the fastest, not because it has the best lap times but because its just fun, i find myself laughing and giggling like a school girl all the time and i can see haw this new Super Duke R is the same thing. If i'm concidering upgrading my bike this will now be on the list for sure. Great review guys ;)

[@tempest6878]

Stick with the MT10, at least you know it will start in the morning!

[@Maedhrosz]

22:55, I swear officer, I was literally standing still, what speeding fine?

[@wheelie-gonzales]

Great review man

[@TheSuperpod]

Picking up this bad boy tomorrow !

[@alexanderlundgren1546]

Lovely video as always! Do you guys plan to cover the new 890 Duke as well? 😛

[@andrewcullen3187]

Great review, cheers.

[@TheUberdude14]

Can't wait for the release of the new bikes, allready signed up for the new 890R when it launches

[@gixerman09]

Great video as usual

[@omega3litre]

I’ve just purchased a gen3 with track pack pick it up on the 18/02/23 can’t bloody wait ❤

[@annamassey5991]

Really enjoyed this review it was top 😀🏍️. Deffo a bike to have fun on. 😀🏍️. Keep on doing these vids. North of england

[@keithappel5021]

By the way I forgot to mention I’m 65 only have a dirtbike at the time my last bike was an older Yamaha 1100 naked. My first bike was a Rutman minibike then I Honda 50 then a Kawasaki 350 triple in the rest is history started at 10 can’t wait for your next review

[@nikhum322]

From no plans to change bikes to picking up a sd1290 in 3 days, 1 km! The rest of the test ride was just a blur filled with giggles, and I,'m used to pretty powerfull 4-cylinder bikes.

[@6Twisted]

I've been on an MT-07 for 4 years and it's time for an upgrade. I'm really struggling to choose between the MT-09/SP, MT-10/SP and 1290 Super Duke R. I love the sound of the MT-10 but I know the Super Duke is all around a better bike and I love the lightness/cheapness of the MT-09. I love the look of all three although I'm not a fan of the grey engine/brown exhaust on the Super Duke.

[@themotohoe2521]

Great review as usual!! Was there super Moto (abs) mode on the gen 2?

[@crownmoto]

"The Church of Braaap!" I'm quite religious when it comes to the SDR, as well ;P At 11:50, what a VIEW!

[@NWSTRX850]

Having been lucky enough to own the original I’m grateful to still be here. Fab bike, awesome engine, brakes etc but wrapped in a mountain bike chassis that bucks and weaves (even off throttle). Sounds like the newest incarnation addresses a lot of this and I’m stoked as it’s a blast to ride. No offence to SD owners but the MT10 is way better on road, shed loads cheaper and can actually hold a line through a corner.

[@keithappel5021]

OK you guys I’ve been following so many different KZbinrs on bikes and I’m telling you you guys are by far the best most entertaining and yet to the point funny into the point anyways will you guys please test an 890 super scalpel before I go crazy there’s none out there noticed that I found. Keep up the good work I’m looking at the F 900 R and I want your opinion if I should wait for the Duke or go BMW

[@Supercharged1976]

Are you guys planning on another Budget Bike Battle once Covid gets behind us? Love those series so much!

[@maxzimmermann6605]

I need it! What a beautiful beast!

[@joeplem5329]

Awesome review, this would look sic in my garage next to my Harley problem is I'm a bit on the shorter side 5'6 and the KTM, Aprilia seem to have a taller seat height than other models.

[@Cataclysm1]

Joe Plem my 2019 has a very tall seat height - two feet down at a stop is not really possible with my 30” inseam (5’9”) so requires a bit of thought when coming to a stop.

[@pramathewyayawar7857]

The frame reminds me so much of RC8's frame.

[@GTLB302]

Id love to see a 1290r superduke cup in the bsb series, would be great to watch

[@obi1don]

That sneeze at 7.26 was epic 😂

[@gamekeeper687]

Euro 5 is basically coming in two stages, 5.1 then 5.2. KTM have complied with 5.1 which is the emissions etc. 5.2 is as you say the data logging when the bikes come in to the dealer for a service or whatever and gets plugged in with the diagnostics tool and KTM takes info from that for various reasons.

[@paulf4414]

Need to see if this is a potential blade replacement, where is the best ktm dealer near Hampshire? Great review

[@AirwolfBMG]

Do you think 6 months down the line, the extras you need, dealerships will be putting them off as promo freebies, to get that extra sale. Much as they do now. Great review, got to love this channel 💪💪😂😂😂🇬🇧

[@Cataclysm1]

Dave P prudent buyers always wait for deals - I got a smoking deal on my 2019 SD buying it at the end of the season. 0% financing too

[@BusaLova]

You boys look like you had a disgusting amount of fun there. Excuse me while I look out the window and behold a cold, windy, rainy day in Holland.

[@steveman1982]

Great! Was waiting for this one :)

[@bazitube390]

There's this beauty and then there's the horrendous zh2

[@kylekyle8131]

I wonder which designer drew that and thought, " That is beautiful", the zh2.

[@VMKAROUND365]

Tragic but true

[@Savantjazzcollective]

But which one is more fun?

[@gerardmontgomery280]

@@Savantjazzcollective I'd guess the KTM. Torquey twins are fun at all speeds.

[@Savantjazzcollective]

@@gerardmontgomery280 better max torque on the ktm, but a stronger torque curve on kawi maybe? Plus very easy to unlock the kawi's potential up to 240bhp which would take it up to same price as cheapest Duke. Duke still lighter though...

[@badger4361]

I think there us something special in the DNA of KTM bikes. I have a 2007 950 supermoto, I love it and have no desire to upgrade because the bike they made is so bloody good. This new SD is a belter though.

[@cranky1812]

I love KTM motorcycles but there weird logic is something I can't understand, CEO saying that superbikes with 180+ bhp are dangerous so they stop making RC 8. They launch a 180 bhp superduke a complete hooligan wheelie motorcycle 🤔.

[@glackandbold7270]

cranky1812 The CEO is full of it. He only said that so they have a pretense/excuse for not building a superbike. And I say that as a guy who has owned a pair of Super Dukes and who really doesn't like superbikes..

[@bocajuniors55]

Never believe the CEO of any company

[@cranky1812]

@@glackandbold7270 probably but their RC series is awesome. One day I'll definitely buy RC8. I have a modified RC 390.

[@cranky1812]

@@bocajuniors55 lol.

[@titserRider]

They can't barely compete with the sports bike. But they are badass when it comes to naked bikes! They dominated it surely!

[@thomascacioppo7546]

I love your show. Your both so honest. I did it. Great job. PS. I just bought the Streetfighter. Dam I love it

[@tompage8674]

Loving the Fagan waddle.

[@marco696975]

After riding Honda Suzuki and Kawasaki. I tried my cousin super duke I never thought one day I will buy a naked bike but the super duke R change my life every time I ride I am happy and smiling it is the best bike I ever own. YES it’s the BEAST!!!!

[@BullyBonanza]

Awesome bike. Will you be reviewing the gt?

[@simonbenneyworth3262]

Hp 4 race is still gorgeous 😍

[@bryanhenderson736]

I understand why the changed the trellis subframe but I think the old rear definitely looked better

[@jamiehudson881]

When are you getting to review the new ktm 890 duke r?

[@2WheelWeekendViking]

Awesome content as usual! Great review😎👍🏻 Question: Can I go from riding a Harley Davidson Road King Special to riding The Beast or would you recommend something less powerful? Looking for a second bike for the twisties. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!!

[@diavolorosso69]

I'd recommend a 990 Super Duke if you can find one used (like I was fortunate to:) load s & loads of smile- inducing get up & go , light (Can you say "Marchesini" _correctly_), fantastic handling (fully adjustable WP fore & aft) , not too bad even for longer rides (say 2-3 hours) and a great training tool to get 100% ready for the 1290 you'll buy in 2-3 years (well, that's what I'm thinking anyway :)

[@hockeymann88]

24:03. The super, Super Duke. THAT is sweet. Sounds incredible.

[@petej7534]

Love this beast!! Probs gonna cost a bomb though. Is it worth ALL that money!??? 890 Super Scalpel review anytime soon?

[@ianlawrie919]

Inspirational and informative.

[@N221BP]

16:57 Yep. The chain already started eating the swing.

[@GIGABACHI]

Good catch, hopefully they'll see it and install a plastic slider there before kicking bikes out the plant's doors.

[@Nerezza1]

Yet another reason why single sided swing arms are stupid.

[@brokeblasian]

JIGA BACHI there is already a slider on there if you look closely

[@GIGABACHI]

@@brokeblasian Look even "closer", there's nothing to protect the small, skinny, bottom brace. The fat spar has it's one protecting the top and bottom like every other chain driven motorcycle.

[@N221BP]

@@Nerezza1 Especially, when the "open side" is completely covered by exhaust.

[@CycleCruza]

I appreciate the review, it has helped me decide whether to get a banging deal on a left over new 2018 SDR or get the brand new 2020 SDR. I still haven't decided. lol

[@mannygsxr]

New one it is!

[@darrenbare9348]

I'm picking a 2018 up with 621miles on it with track pack and performance pack and heated grips for a little over have the price of a 2020.

[@davidmhead]

CycleCruza get rid of the tuono bash it and get a ktm?? Hahahahahaha you are truly a lame. This bike doesn’t come close to the beauty or capabilities of the tuono

[@davidmhead]

james avery huh?? My tuono has OVER 200hp. Ccuckelcrusier is a poser. If either one of you think I’m a liar or want to race, put the money up. The super duke is amazing it can’t compete with the tuono

[@CycleCruza]

@@davidmhead I just told the truth. The tuono was an awesome bike, V4 sound and performance was amazing BUT my very first ride it went into limp mode and when I took it to the dealer under warranty Aprilia would not pay for the repair which just amounted to updating the software and checking the bike over, the dealer ended up eating the cost but it delayed me getting the bike. Also, Aprilia headquarters USA said if I put an exhaust on the bike the warranty will be voided. The bike was still acting like it wanted to go in limp mode on occasion but it never did. I did not trust that bike. Also, the high footpegs and sporty riding position made the bike feel like a RSV4 with handlebars, a bit irritating on long rides. When I sold the tuono the shipper that came to pick the bike up told me that a dealer he worked with got rid of their Aprilia bikes and stopped selling Aprilia bikes because they often had trouble getting Aprilia to pay for warranty work the dealer had to eat the cost.

[@VeeFour]

For me, the best looking SD yet 👍

[@Rob-vp9xq]

Did I miss the track day announcement? I am a subscriber!

[@elliegreenslade9274]

I’m guessing coronavirus has put a stop to everything 🤬

[@bobhart8986]

what's the music at 28.45? top work as always boys

[@alangoodtime6421]

i aim for this. replacement for my aging 990 duke.

[@RRSmurf]

Damn I miss mine so much!

[@ticthedog9413]

👍 Fantastic review

[@SAMFICOM]

Opened 1290 Super Duke R 2022 forks yesterday to swap springs for higher rate as front was bottoming to hydrostop often and sag was 50mm with +3 preload. Stock springs are progressive (read fucked up badly), strange shape and 9.0N/mm rated (weak). Swapped stock unreasonable springs with linear (good) k-tech 10.0 N/mm springs. With no spring and ventilation bolt on fork cap opened to eliminate air spring intervention measured hard bottom as 19mm from axle casting to bottom of dust seal. Some resistance starts from around 25mm from axle casting - probably hydro stops of some sort. Topout springs start engaging at 130mm from axle casting to bottom of the dust seal and fork is completely extended at 160mm (requires too much of force to extend (compress topouts completely)). So if WP/KTM would to all calculation right front total travel would be 141mm before it would hit hard bottom - that would be very nice, but no... Stock oil level - 70mm which is very high (read fucked up oil level). Changed oil level to 100mm. Springs to linear k-tech 10N/mm. Vented the forks with topouts compressed (fork forcefully extended to the max. This reduces cavitation a bit + more air spring) set +3mm on preload adjuster. With front wheel installed and in the air - 150mm from axle casting to bottom of dust seal, static sag 29mm rider sag 41mm (87kg rider weight in gear). This allows for 131mm fork travel from where wheel hanging on topouts to hard bottom, or 125mm to hydro stop (5mm improvement to stock setup on travel). Stoppie test is good with no bottoming and not reaching hydro stops (gradual and controlled front dive through the stroke on braking). Now forks feel much better in all aspects. Forks position have to be adjusted to compensate for higher riding front indue to sag change (set to your likening and based on shock spring and preload). Compression and rebound - start at 11 for both and go up/down from there. Conclusion - stock fork springs are progressive and way too soft for riding with this fast heavy motorcycle. Stock oil level is way too high. Those two aspects reduce reasonable usable fork travel to unreasonable and low level. At descending tight turns over bumps at high speed stock fork setup was packing and deflecting - dangerous (all chances to loose front) even with +3 preload. Cure for that is to speedup rebound but that was creating all sorts of other issues. Cure for forks is 10N/mm linear springs and 100mm oil level. However for track use linear 11N/mm springs and maybe lower oil level could be better option. Above description can be used as instruction on how to un-fuck front suspension on 1290 Super Duke R 2020 to 2022 (Sarcastic joke: and as a sentence to hang those who made decision on soft progressive front suspension springs and high stock oil level at KTM or/and WP by their balls and beat them gently with those soft progressive 9.0N/mm springs), as forks setup goes they sell stock bike which is is not just unseasonable but (sadly not a joke) actually dangerous to ride on the road in some conditions. Person who decided on toptout spring length and rate (joke: deserves some minor spanking for unreasonable and unnecessary fork travel loss. Same spanking applies to person who designed or/and approved unreasonable for bike of this type spring preload adjusters in both range and steps terms). Above story does not apply to EVO models because I had no chance to test those and I could not care less about semi-active suspension marketing. Thank you for reading, I hope it was helpful. P.S. 114 links chain and 17T/40T sprocket combination seems to bring a bit more fun than stock 17T/38T combination.

[@AugmentedGravity]

The sexiest beast on the road.

[@6ynessxD]

Fagan or the KTM?

[@AugmentedGravity]

@@6ynessxD Both😍😍

[@YA-ee9zf]

Entrance like a Japanese robot anime. Forgot about the Ducati street fighter though a name that shakes mountains

[@AnAgedMan]

That "down and dirty" caught me off guard so bad. Solid accent

[@jimkim23]

Do you guys know if the s22's that the beast 3.0 comes on are different in any ways than the regular s22's, other than the SDR marking on them? Your review made me trade in my gen 2 for the gen 3 😂

[@tadhgoshaughnessy6612]

What did u tink f the slack in the throttle do u think its an issue.thanks tadhg ireland .loves youre reviews