2021 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 vs. The Original 987 Cayman S - POV Comparison

[@codrutp8176]

Man... You should've let that kid take your 4.0 for a spin, especially since he gave you his precious 3.4

[@TheTopher]

At the time he wasn’t old enough to drive Porsche press cars, gotta be 25!

[@neematootoonchi1365]

@@TheTopherisn’t this your car though?

[@awnis001]

@@neematootoonchi1365no man he owns type R

[@Darren51283]

Those early Cayman's with hydraulic steering are incredibly tactile. That's what I appreciated the most about the one that I had.

[@tedfisher6212]

Guys, just an FYI on the Over Rev Issue. This is from the Tech Q&A section in the January 2020 Panorama. Data is from my 2006 Cayman S: Range 1 = 3,991 • Range 2 = 63 • Range 3 = 21 • Range 4 = 0 • Range 5 = 0 • Range 6 = 0. Range 1 are revs above the limiter 7,200 but below 7,500 RPM Range 2 are revs above 7,500 but below 7,700 RPM Range 3 are revs above 7,700 but below 7,900 RPM Range 4 are revs above 7,900 but below 8,400 RPM Range 5 are revs above 8,400 but below 9,500 RPM Range 6 are revs above 9,500 RPM Normally cars with zero over revs in ranges 4, 5 and 6 are fine. Generally, Range 1 over revs are caused by hitting the rev limiter. Range 2 and above are mechanical over revs but within the safety parameters of the engine's internals. Ranges 4-6 are considered major and may eventually be catastrophic. Porsche will not CPO a car with Range 4 or higher. Pedro Bonilla, PCA Technical Committee (Boxster/Cayman)

[@Angry-Lynx]

what is the actual number? Its seconds, miliseconds spent in that rev range or literal crank revolutions count?

[@tedfisher6212]

@@Angry-Lynx Crank Rev Counts. References; www.pca.org/tech/can-you-explain-over-rev-reports-and-what-numbers-mean caymanregister.org/faq.php?faq=options#faq_sportchrono www.911virgin.com/porsche/rev-range-information/ kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnzKgHSNgs-NgrM

[@Nauaudis4]

Yup, thank you for posting this. People just want to make sure the car wasn't money shifted. Bouncing off the rev limiter is one thing, money shifting while doing 120 is complete different ball game.

[@tedfisher6212]

@@Nauaudis4 Totally agree. Grew up with a four on the floor and the goal was to beat the other guy to the next light. Shift slamming was mandatory and a Hurst was the go to shifter. Then I got a 914… fortunately learned the art of finding the correct gear before I made a money shift.

[@SLG52]

Hit a few range 1's. Do not thing the previous owner did as the 06CS was 13 years old with 14k miles in pristine condition. I have since driven it like I stole it.

[@Jwdude123]

The original 987 Cayman is iconic. By FAR the best design. Period.

[@MatthewGaither]

I owned a 2007 Boxster and the POV with the Cayman S is really taking me back! I really dig that color combination, it's a sweet spec. The new Boxster and Cayman are awesome sports cars but the original models are still beautiful and still have so much character. Great video!

[@michaelfromaustin]

Me too. 08 Boxster RS60. Still miss that car.

[@effa114]

Dammit, another video that will fan the fires of 987 prices. I wish I’d been in a position to buy a few years ago when they had bottomed out

[@Angry-Lynx]

exactly, I mean these are good cars, no doubt, but with so ridiculously inflated prices it's not good value anymore, especially if you consider power to price ratio..... I mean you have to pay at LEAST 60k$ for 981s with manual and usually it will STILL, with that crazy price tag often will STILL have over 100k kms on the clock .... I remember when 997 TURBO was in that price range not so long ago FFS....

[@tnikoli40]

@@Angry-Lynx thats what happens when so many people get stupid rich like they did in last year and 3 months

[@Angry-Lynx]

@@tnikoli40 whos got so rich in rona times? Im not very up to date with news, but was pretty sure economy rather suffered, at least for working people

[@Momo_8k]

@@Angry-Lynx basically anyone who had enough free capital to place them in some kind of investments found large returns during COVID. Crypto, tech stocks, housing, etc. The unfortunate reality which was exemplified through COVID is that there is a great difference between the haves and have nots. The stock market has been booooming, yet at the same time congress has to pass stimulus checks in order to keep the less fortunate afloat.

[@mikedodd9294]

@@Angry-Lynx having sold my 987.1 S after 8 years and 120,000 miles, the power is not why you buy these cars. Simply the best driving experience ever made.

[@harryphillipsdev]

I've got 103,000 miles on mine now, will always take the original over the new. Wouldn't mind adding a GT3 though.

[@bf5175]

My 06 S has 105,000 miles and I love it. I hate drive by wire. I don't want the car to do the driving for me and simulate the feel, I want the connection from the steering wheel and the brake peddle to the tires. Plus, I think it looks better, the new ones get more generic looking with each redesign.

[@azndibs]

You guys gotta do more videos like this! I love the conversational style and you guys have really good on-camera chemistry

[@michaelo2772]

7:45 rev to redline 🤦🏻‍♂️ Forget about “devaluing” your car. As a 987.2 owner, once it’s warm, time to bounce off the rev limiter

[@lovesophia19]

Agree 👍🏼

[@gryphon123456]

FULL Agree. Breaks my heart to think a Porsche doesn’t get to be driven to its fullest.

[@richardness3]

Noone cares about Range 1 anyway, guy is stereotypical Porsche owner that ridiculously babies the car. My 987.2 pings off redline regularly too

[@_chipchip]

@@richardness3 You guys need to chill. It’s his car, he can treat it however he likes.

[@vtv4373]

@@_chipchip He's still a beta though

[@BAdarsh]

Looking forward to more Topher-Topher collabs!

[@bimmerfan729]

The color combo on the Cayman S is damn near perfect!

[@jmorrison146]

The only improvement would be Ruby Red, like mine.

[@jona_le_mus]

Honestly, the 06 looks way better! From the interior (except the technology) to the body.

[@YueHou]

nope LOL

[@jjchockey]

Agreed. The 987 is one of the best Porsche designs imo. Right up there with my favorite the 964.

[@Angry-Lynx]

are you from other planet? Or just commenting under wrong video. There is not a single thing about 987 thats better than 981, especially looks. 987 interior looks like from some fookin old mazda or fiat, 981 is in different galaxy in terms of interior quality, luxury and looks

[@jjchockey]

@@Angry-Lynx looks are subjective dude. The 981 looks to bulbous and bubbly especially in the back where it reminds me of the Panamera. Compared to the 987 which had a more sculpted fluid rear. I also like the more upright and simple design of the 987 interior vs the more slopped interior with tons of buttons. Yes I agree the quality is improved in the 981, That is non subjective.

[@jjchockey]

Looks is a preference I think the 987 is the best looking model. I think the 981 is the least attractive model. I do like how the 718 went back to the more streamlined look of the 987. Hate the bulbous look of the 981. @Joseph C.

[@petrusstrydom2073]

I really want one of those 987s beautiful. That one has the sports steering wheel also (kind of like gt3), looking much better than the standard steering wheel. Ultimate would be the 987.2 since it has a complete new engine and optional pdk.

[@Jwdude123]

Naaa 987.1 has a cleaner design and the headlights are shaped nicely.

[@GTR-wx8jq]

One minor correction to a statement made in the video. The Caymans in 2006 (first Year) were all S models. The base wasn't available until 2007.

[@gryphon123456]

The red one has more rear trunk while the new one has more rear window. They’re both amazing. Love the bright interior of the red one, and I do like the shape of the older one a bit more. Nothing wrong with either. Amazing cars.

[@g.r.2985]

Great video! Made me realize how much fun co-labs are to watch, especially as some of us are coming out of a long quarantine and when anti-social behaviour became the norm. The classic Porsche was clearly my fav!

[@wyldcat1163]

I was just waiting for the awkward pause when they were comparing trunk sizes 😂

[@mad_squidward]

The way that old one sounds really authentic.

[@thomasferber480]

Very nice comparison, perspective and thoughts. Love my 987S Boxster, same wheels and interior but dark blue on the outside. I changed the throttle valve to the carrera 74mm and did a software adaption. Revs like a dream, can fully recommend this.

[@slaWterCH]

Fantastic comparison and a nice discussion too. Truly enjoyed it. Big Cayman fan myself!

[@judge831]

The color combo on the 987 is beautiful. It's exactly what I would get. It's the closest I'll probably ever get to a Farrari.

[@307skylake7]

We need more Porsche content on this channel! It would be the best thing. Awesome upload, so unique and really nice! 👌

[@decodeddiesel]

Sure, I'd love a newer Cayman, but my 987.1 is a keeper. She's a dedicated track car now.

[@bto7779]

I prefer the looks of the older one. Inside and out.

[@spendingtimetogether8428]

Argh, missed opportunity letting him drive the newer P-car to get his thoughts. Anyway, very nicely-spec'd 718 and good video.

[@TheTopher]

Would have loved to let Chris drive, but need to be 25 to drive a Porsche press car...he's gotta hurry up and get older!

[@spendingtimetogether8428]

@@TheTopher Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Was thinking you seem like a nice guy, so was wondering why didn't you let the poor guy drive haha.

[@mattsee45]

@@TheTopher how old is sub Topher?

[@jonnyaesthetic]

I love how our names make us similar. All the Jonathan's Ive ever known were somewhat similar lol. Fantastic review Topher's!

[@sdgsdgsdg54]

i drive Cayman 2009 - 2.9 base model. absolute joy and fun. It's slow on a straight line but who cares. I expect to drive it until i grow old

[@gnaegi444]

same here... its all about curve speed.... who cares about straights...

[@JuanAdam12]

Same. God-willing, I plan to keep mine. Why sell?

[@philipethier9136]

Just bought one myself. Oh, by the way, I hear a base Cayman just won B Street at the Solo Nationals. My 2011 2.9 came from the factory with 18" Cayman S wheels. All the tire without all the cost.

[@mattmarken3114]

I would bet if the 987 had sport chrono you would not notice the lack of responsiveness. In sport mode the throttle is crisp.

[@anthonygomez1958]

I agree different animal in sport

[@neematootoonchi1365]

Sucks mine does not have sport chrono :/

[@mohnnadmercedes8246]

Speedmaster + sport cars = 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@MoonbaseCommander]

I just sold my 981 S and this video hit way too close to home. My first time in the passenger seat was when I let the buyer test drive the car. It was such a weird feeling.

[@Angry-Lynx]

sold probably in the best moment... prices are sky high rn

[@micraw714]

I have mine posted for sale at the moment and feel like I'm going to regret it 😢

[@JeffJacquesmd]

Watching this over a quiet cuppa coffee on a Sunday morning before going for a drive through the St Cruz mountains in my 718 CGTS 4.0, she sounds just like the GTS in this vid. Great side by side Tophs, thank you for the comparo

[@shamiurrahman5599]

thats a good pause on 15:24 lmao

[@boredalchemist]

the 06-11 have a timeless design and when all cars have to be electric other then the older ones, timeless wins.

[@gabrielshouse6142]

I absolutely love these videos thank you!

[@abcdLeeXY]

Just picked up a 987.2 Boxster 2.9L. Couldn’t shell out another 10k for the 3.4L S model. Really fun car. Nothing beats the lightweight mid engine layout.

[@AaronBrooks0321]

Sooooo glad I found this video. I recently purchased a 2010 Cayman S and I fell in love with it so much I immediately began looking at ordering a 718 but wasnt sure it'd be enough of an upgrade to be worth it. The 987 is going to become a dedicated track car and the 4.0 will become the street toy!

[@kungfudell07]

“Just leaves a brand new Porsche in a parking lot, vulnerable, just sitting there•

[@wantedx575]

The video quality is top notch. Good job bro

[@TripedalTroductions]

Dude that Cayman S is so beautiful.

[@nafnaf0]

12:40 $71,000 in 2006 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $94,805.78 today, an increase of $23,805.78 over 15 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 1.95% per year between 2006 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 33.53%.

[@edchang9521]

08 987 was my first real sports car. Ecstatic as original owner with 42k miles. I feel it’s underpowered compared to the 987s. However no regrets with ownership. Feels like it’s time to upgrade to the GTS 4.0

[@borinvlogs]

Nice comparison video bud. I've got the 3.4 987 but in soft top even in a rainy England haha. Have fun...beautiful cars.

[@mohawk5010]

25:34 Downshifting from 2nd to 1st at 30mph! Such a Porsche thing to do. Sounds awesome 👏

[@thedudeabides1443]

Except that there is NO REASON EVER in a Porsche to downshift from 2nd to 1st. Totally stupid and unnecessary.

[@gasgod7404]

@@thedudeabides1443 i agree dude, the dude doesn’t abide. Very un dude

[@philipethier9136]

@@thedudeabides1443 Dude, you have never driven an autocross where the EM has thrown you supertight 180. Thats what I love about my PDK. Can blast out of these in 1st. Our local Corvette club loves to hit you with these because their cars are torque monsters.

[@rashadedwards5725]

Homeboy definitely wasn't letting the young guy drive the new car 😂😂plus he was talking down some what about his 987

[@philipethier9136]

Again: He didn't OWN the new car and it was not his choice to make.

[@JUNJUN-lw2vr]

Great video, I just like the older ones better. I just sold my C7 Grand Sport. I'm in hunt for a Cayman.

[@apostle4122]

8:25 “that anxious factor” as a young owner of a 987 CS I completely agree 😂

[@rnt45t1]

I like the old one better. That color is great!

[@x1tekja]

An excellent car. Love the Cayman but here where I live the Boxter made more sense. Still the platform is phenomenal and though I will get resentment and flak, I truly believe that for a sportscar the Cayman is better balanced than the 911.

[@Rockit181]

they are better balanced anyone who's driven both enough knows that. The rear engine layout does have excellent braking and traction on corner exit though

[@giepgrootpoot]

Great video, guys, now THIS is what I like!

[@spencerli725]

I had the same 987 “08 spec but in auto that’s crazy.

[@celliott16]

Awesome comparison, love the way Porsches evolve. I completely disagree with the early one being better looking, I could never gel with the sunken rear glass, makes the profile look off to me, so glad they smoothed it all out, so much so I ordered one 😁

[@BrianLouderback]

Excellent video Toph!

[@dakgildea]

I want one

[@katrinagwen]

No chrono watch dial on the oldie BUT that interior is pristine! Topher2 should’ve driven the new gen to see his reaction.

[@philipethier9136]

Asked and answered. Porsche USA considers him underage.

[@jwpratt1947]

Love the tan interior......

[@LilTaco777]

Protein peanut butter!

[@danielmurphy3277]

i had no idea the redline was so low on the first gen cayman S! i can't imagine staying away from redline the entire ownership experience especially with an engine that sounds like that.

[@DLPTonyATL]

LOL @ Awkward Pause! Porsche's do not speak to me personally, but I am absolutely amazed by their engineering. Nice comparison review!

[@rutrow3812]

I think the 987 may have shined a little more if he had driven it in the same manner as GTS.

[@robotreuben]

Great comparison! How are these two in terms of daily ride quality, comparatively speaking? I have a 987.2 BS, but it really needs new tires, lol. Hopefully, a fall HPDE will finish the tires off and solve that...

[@mikedodd9294]

Just sold my 987.1 S. Wanted to hear what Topher 2 had to say driving the new 4.0

[@stms4411]

I can understand why Chris mentions that “….sense of anxiety” making sure he doesn’t hurt the car…..but that’s unfortunate. I think it’s a consequence of him being a young guy. Being probably more than twice his age, it’s allowed me to just drive my 981 boxster s and not be too careful with it. Maintain it but not baby it. Beautiful car!

[@jonhug3231]

That new Bad Boy not only revs to the moon but the way it does it is really where it’s at. That needle straight JUMPS up the tach in a rather hurried fashion. Seems like the gears are super tall… I do really dig the Gen 1 though too. I would jump on a Cayman R but they have climbed up in $ mightily the past 2 years. I love both. The Gen 1’s looks are brilliant and more stand alone when comparing to the 911. The Gen 3 looks amazing too but could easily be mistaken for a 911 from certain angles. I’ll take one of each please…

[@andrelima5124]

Seriously, not much have changed in a good way !

[@carlosalvarez4641]

Boy, that sound ❤❤❤

[@ch1ppy23]

love the content

[@xLilFliPz]

great comparison

[@topend2282]

I must disagree with the statement about the shifter feel... Every Porsche I've driven and owned from my old 987S, Gt3(s) and 997 turbo has had sloppy shifter feel, It feels as if the main feature in all of these gearboxes is side to side play when in gear. 😂 I've had a couple Honda S2000s and still have one and I stand by this statement that is the best shifting gearbox I've ever driven/owned.

[@Malcom2345]

I like both of these, but would go the t4 over all other variants. Nothing compares to its value performance wise. Stage 2 tune gets it pulling harder & faster then a 23 gt3 and at a 100k less then a 4.0. Cayman. Go figure.

[@GrandHuevotes]

the older 3 series door handles also open up and out (can’t remember if it’s the coupe or sedan or both) but i suspect a lot of german cars in the era had their handles open up and out

[@yitroyasharahla5404]

Classic Porsche over new one all day .

[@bluesun_0]

Two Tophers together

[@ARentz07]

I don't recommend anything larger than a Tall drink from Starbucks in that cupholder. In the 981 I rented, I picked up a couple of drinks for the wife and me, and those cupholders seemed a bit sketchy for the Grande size drinks! Even in the 981 there's an awesome balance of induction sound. Though we had a Boxster S rather than a Cayman. It was phenomenal to drive overall. It had been a while since I had experienced hydraulic power steering, and it was nice to have some weight and feel.

[@calenash307]

Did you mean the 987? The 987.2 gen were the last boxster/caymans that had hydraulic steering afaik

[@jochemr.a.bakker8048]

Ventis paper cups are fine too. Bit more caution with those slippery plastic cups.

[@odinikita4821]

Those cup holders alone make the car worth buying

[@GethinJames]

Hitting the rev limited does not devalue these cars. That is fine and normal. It's when you mechanically over rev the engine is what future owners look at.

[@phwhitefly]

So true about the bring a trailer curmudgeons asking for a DME report an hour before the auction ends. This 987 is so nice, such a nice spec, congratulations and I hope you never have to sell it.

[@feelsgoodman245]

the cupholders are the best in the business lol

[@alengreen589]

nice little fun cars.

[@carguyns4348]

Yeah

[@LESPAUL44mag]

Nice Speedmaster!

[@Dolby109]

LOL I just bought a 987 Cayman S the other day. I'd say I love it but the water pump took a shit like 100 miles in, so I'm actually a bit pissed. Hopefully after this it does a little better.

[@Angry-Lynx]

if its 987.1 then you got yourself to blame. They have lot of reliability issues. .2 are much better, but still not as reliable as 981.

[@Dolby109]

@@Angry-Lynx Interesting, from my reading I thought they'd fixed most of the reliability issues from the older 996/986 models. You also act as if I had a choice to just spend 50% more on a 987.2 S model, and pull $15k more out of my ass.

[@Angry-Lynx]

@@Dolby109 well you said you're pissed so it safe to assume that you didn't expect shit to go down, which means you didn't do your homework :) Because if you did, you would take into account that it WILL break, and be prepared for that, not be surprised by that fact, and... in the end not upset, because you would know what youre getting into ; Cheers

[@Dolby109]

@@Angry-Lynx Didn't expect a water pump in the first 100 miles though, esp on a car with less than 60k miles. I'm not stupid enough to think it won't break, just didn't expect to only get to drive a $30k car one day before it went to the shop.

[@jamesmarshall3311]

@@Angry-Lynx I am in year 4 of 987.1 ownership, an S model, and have never had a single issue with it. Literally nothing , not even a side bulb going out.

[@sanzserif]

@7:45 As someone whos bought and sold many porsches, no one cares about level 1 or 2 over revs. Ppl just look for extreme downshifts or level 3+ over revs. I wouldn’t worry about revving to redline.

[@duketoby0]

I had a 987s for two years. In silver and black wheels like the 4.0 here. Loved mine so much. But this silver 4.0 with the blick wheeels.... DAMN does it look good! O.O Kind of car that makes you sell body parts :D

[@billnorblat4047]

Bouncing it off the rev limiter is very different from a money shift.. There's nothing negative recorded unless you over-rev.

[@SixGap]

The 4.0 makes 15hp less than the 997 GT3 3.8 lol. Porsche is still neutering the Cayman so it won’t steal 911 sales.

[@Angry-Lynx]

different engine. And yes unfortunately neutering will never stop and I hate Porsche for it. Its like self mutilation. Its emo. Porsche is an emo of car world. It like to cut itself 😂

[@ian_987]

I dont think its going to tread on the toes of a 997 GT3 considering they're long out of production. The right comparison to make is with a same-gen 911 Carrera, and the Cayman GTS beats it on power (394 to 380bhp). I think for such an agile car this is ample power and proof that the Cayman (and Boxster) are the real "Sports cars" from Porsche, whilst the 911 has evolved into a GT

[@Angry-Lynx]

@@ian_987 carrera is turbo though and have shorter gearing so it'll still be way faster than cayman. Power figure alone is less than half of the story.

[@925vincent]

Most people who think that the Porsche door handles are odd because they are not using it correctly. You are not supposed to pull it with your palm DOWN. You should pull it with your palm UP.....It is more natural this way because the cars are so low...

[@Blassie.P]

Cant believe that's an 06

[@thedrivebygg]

Nice video,

[@deep6thisdeep6this92]

i may be wrong but i'm guessing that that "natural brown" interior is the full leather option. if so, it's probably the best option one could have on the 987.x IMO. i drove one with a custom guards red full natural "draped" leather interior and it was stunning. my low-mileage 2007 base model is guards red, with the standard "full plastic" interior. ya, there's some leather , cheap leather, in there but not much. nice plastic but plastic nonetheless. surprisingly, the headliner material is exceptionally attractive.

[@LuisGuillermoMoreno]

This is a good one

[@lastname-Nm]

Both my dream cayman 🤤

[@bishopoftroy]

Would be awesome for the US to trade the right to bear arms for no speed limit highways. When i see car videos from the states no one is passing not even 100 which is so frustrating.

[@scottsmith7337]

To hell with not taking the car to red line I drive all my sports cars like I stole them I don’t buy them to worry about depreciation

[@jorgebaqs7370]

bro I use the cup holders all the time they're op.

[@davidmartin2957]

Well that’s what I call really really unfair, first you have a ball running around in your mates Porsche then you jump in yours while blowing all the time just how good it is. What happened to giving your mate a shot. Sharing is caring.

[@TheTopher]

Would have loved to let him drive, but need to be 25 to drive a Porsche press car...he's gotta hurry up and get older!

[@bf5175]

@@TheTopher I'm glad you explained this so I don't have to think you're a jerk. :)

[@originaljunglist93]

I see your Schwartz is a little bigger than mine!!!

[@BassTooLoudd]

How do I get a job like this???

[@Addison0526]

The VW parts bin is always a little funny when you notice some things. I notice that the cruise control stalks look just like the ones in my 2008 Passat.

[@user-qg2tl3jk9z]

What’s the difference between the Cayman and Boxster?

[@DavidJCarrell]

Ughhh. I’m on a list for a C8 stingray, but sort of tempted to get one of these (in a manual) instead. Which car do you prefer?

[@TheTopher]

I’d be thrilled with either!

[@jmorrison146]

Porsche - “There is no substitute”.

[@CalmingSoundZZZ]

I was on the list to get a C8 until I drove the Cayman. I suggest you rent one for a day before you make your purchase. It drives like no other.

[@jwpratt1947]

How many variants are there of the 911 platform?

[@procesor]

You should be comparing 981 as the 3.4 version.