2023 BMW S1000RR vs 2021 Yamaha R1 - Comparisons

[@themashedavenger5461]

This is probably the best comparison on the net tbh

[@JuniorJr_23]

IMO the difference between the R1 and other bikes is that the crossplane engine sounds amazingly sweeter. I have an R1 and a Ducati Streetfighter.

[@amaximus5753]

I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t like the way the R1 cross plain engine sounds. I’ve never read that anywhere either. So not sure what you mean by some people either love it or hate it because of the way it sounds. In my opinion, it sounds amazing. I’m actually surprised the R1 doesn’t have a higher seat than the BMW. Good review on these bikes. Both are amazing motorcycles.

[@-mystical-16]

I wanted an S1000RR. But damn, I couldn’t find one less than $25k out the door because all the fancy features. I’m glad I’m getting an R1. Love the crossplane sound. Less I’m maintenance.

[@MotoMaximus]

BMW snobs will try to convince you that you made a mistake, but I will confirm that you made the right choice

[@iangray6005]

I got a 0 miles 2023 s1000rr for 18.2k out the down so it’s definitely possible

[@Jason-ic7uc]

😅😅

[@boiedy12]

@@iangray6005base ?

[@leonyang2432]

​@boiedy12 most likely base model. If you wanted to incorporate all the different packages into the bike it would set you back around 32k brand new off the showroom floor. And that's before taxes, registration fees etc.

[@Lil_eee]

That r1 sounds good

[@jake88ci]

2015/2016 Yamaha R1 had a HUGE recall on crankshaft bearings and bad shift forks = 10,000+ blown engines.

[@garvincollins8632]

Thank you for that very informative comparison video. I have always felt that R1's were corner animals! I have owned a 99' and an 07'. I have always been curious about the Cross-Plain and I like the looks of the current R1. I had the 98' ZX9R and I ran into a friend that had a 98' R1, we swapped and that R1 had such smooth strong power from everywhere in the rev band. So when the 99' came out I bought one and it was a beast! I kept the ZX for comfort and the R1 for ripping. Later I picked up an 03' GSXR1000. I had sold the other 2. I found the Gixxer to be deceptively fast, a strong smooth steady pull. Nothing so far was as confidence inspiring in the corners as the R1. I had sold the Suzuki and bought the 07' R1. The next year I picked up the 08' ZX10R after reading the 2008 Superbike Shootout in Sport Rider magazine. Both bikes were on the peaky side powerwise, but once again the R1 was superior in cornering. I kept those 2 for a while and the R1 was for ripping. I now have a 21'GSXR1000R. It has that nice low end pull and I have been eyeing the R1 for a corner killer. Your back to back comparison has made my decision easier. I like the BMW's luxuries, but the seating position and feel may be to similar to my GSXR and your description of the R1 brings back memories. I don't need luxury, I need a corner ripper. Another R1. Thank you. Sorry it's so long.

[@MotoMaximus]

You will love the new R1. The handling improvement and power over an 08 will blow you away. I’ve had an 04 R1, moved to a 12 and then on to a 21 and it has been an awesome journey. The spirit of the R1, being exceptional handling, carried on over the generations. Some folks don’t like the cross plane, but I absolutely love the 🎶 it sings.

[@garvincollins8632]

​@@MotoMaximusI'm sure I will love it. I really like the feeling of the riding position. A few years back an R1 past me in my car. I didn't see him coming and the exhaust sounded so deep and rumblely. I know I will enjoy it.

[@4limusic542]

IM sorry ;( being discontinued.

[@MotoMaximus]

I feel bad for my European friends

[@capitalismftw]

thought i was the only one who felt bothered by the distance of the turn signal on the BMW. thanks for verifying it to be a nusance!

[@ITSYOUNGKING1515]

The best comparison I’ve seen between the 2. I use to have a 16 R1S but it was sooo slow due to gearing I now have a 17 cbr1000rr and tbh I really don’t like it in my opinion it doesn’t do anything very well it’s just an all around bike so I’ve been considering going back to a R1 but not a R1s or a current gen s1k but then I started thinking well why not throw a h2 and Ducati into the mix 😂. This video at least helped me know that even though I LOVE Yamaha for my type of riding with is casual, commuting, dealing with interstate and city riding I should probably aim for something more comfortable and with cruise control. Thanks again for the info I will definitely be subscribing.

[@kemestr]

I thought the s1000rr had a lower seat height then the R1 I never knew you could reach the ground easier on a r1

[@n300zx931]

You’re getting about 1/3 of the motorcycles potential without a tune. The new 1000cc bikes NEED a tune. Cannot stress that enough

[@G-Man01]

Excellent review. I am comparing these two machines specifically because they also had the lowest insurance. The Panigale, ZX10R and RSV4 were much higher. Am thankful that you spoke about the controls, maintenance costs, rear brake. Also the last time i rode the R1 (2018), i recall it being very choppy on the throttle and uncomfortable to ride, but at the time i dont remember it being lower in ride height to my 2014 RR. Seems like things have changed with the ride height. Though as you mentioned, still looks like you sit 'on' the R1 and 'in' the RR. Very refreshing to have a smart and practical review rather than just hearing the same old stuff "this bike is great but this bike is greater with a tune, wow what a ride blah blah dopey dopey"

[@MotoMaximus]

Spot on about the throttle being choppy on R1. They slightly improved the design on the newer R1s by separating the modes from power delivery. On my 11, if I selected the A mode it controlled the amount of power AND the throttle response. On the 21, I switched down to B mode for throttle response while retaining the power at the highest level. 👍👍

[@G-Man01]

@@MotoMaximus i see. I assumed it was something to do with the throttle being ride by wire. If i ever got this bike, i think i'd really be looking at a tune / remap for best fuel ratio. Gorgeous thing. Shame it's discontinued.

[@MotoMaximus]

@@G-Man01 I got Brentuning stage-1 on mine. It did help smooth things out a bit. 🤘

[@MikeBrown-tv1jf]

i came from a 2023 r1. to 2024 s1000rr. bmw all around i like it better smoother. ur right on seat position im a shorter rider. i actually have to tip toe loool. the shifter ur bang on. i hated my r1 quick shifter. on the bmw. its sooooooo addictive the indicator position. tell me about it.....i found my self hitting the horn the first 2 rides. loool. thats where it IS on the r1 my fault tho. and that fuel gauge. god sent. and i thought i was the only one that thought the rrs are LOUDER on cold start. exhaust or not love the video man. great work. subscribed. no lies told solid honesty. btw. no more hand /back cramps. lol. the riding position on the r1 was the closest to batmans batpod. straight laying down on her..

[@American_Enigma]

I currently own a BMW and actually love that toggle on the handlebars. It makes switching through screens and changing music so easy. I wish Yamaha would do a true update to the R1. Once upon a time it was the gold standard and they were the pioneers in this category. Right now I'm actually trying to decide if I'm going to pull the trigger on a discounted Fireblade or patiently wait for the 2024. I want what should be considerably improved torque numbers on the 2024.

[@VenziMoto]

You are great when making review Sir. Very informative and clear.

[@olafad7997]

I thought I looked that sound of that r1 engine but realised it sounds similar to some 125cc or 250cc but louder.

[@Cobradaddy]

Few things to point out here. 1. The fuel warning message and all other messages should take up the screen, it's a warning, they all can be acknowledged by pulling on the wheel to make them disappear. Then the fuel tank icon is now yellow, it's slick not odd. 2. The bike definitely needs to be tuned, huge HP dips in lower gears and restricted up top too, the bike needs it. 3. That 21k for the RR is a better value compared to the R1M which is 25k and doesn't have as many features. It's cheaper to go for the RR if you want the suspension and cheaper or close to the same as these bikes sit, the R1 doesn't have the price advantage here.

[@MotoMaximus]

Agree on 2. 3 is a relative perspective. 1 is BS as the message does not need to take up the entire screen to notify you that you still have 30 more miles to go.

[@Cobradaddy]

@@MotoMaximus If you're not interested in the extra parts for the 21k S1k then the MSRPS are basically the same, so that's up to preference of what you want. Dressed up S1K is for sure a better value over the R1M. If you or the other rider can't take your thumb to pull on the wheel to cancel the warning message, which is trying to grab your attention, then you shouldn't be riding any bike. Such a non issue to complain about. You should be more upset about that R1 dragging on that look since 2015. That's the real issue here.

[@MotoMaximus]

@@Cobradaddy I think it’s you that has an issue - I have my opinions, you have yours. Perhaps it’s you that shouldn’t be riding if your feelings are hurt by a random KZbinr. I’ve purchased and ridden many bikes in my life, and currently own 3 in addition to my 9 cars. Being able to hop between different vehicles allows me to compare features between them. Some I like and others I don’t. In case you missed it in the video - I really like the RR, thus why I got it… I just don’t like a low fuel warning taking up the entire screen instead of giving me a gentle warning that I still have 30 miles left - LIKE EVERY OTHER MOTORCYCLE DOES. Clear enough for you?

[@Cobradaddy]

@@MotoMaximus Most bikes don't even have a fuel gauge. That's a BMW, they do shit differently, don't be such a whiner. Clear enough for you?

[@MotoMaximus]

@@Cobradaddy every bike has a gauge you dildo.. 🤦‍♂️

[@l4SA_R1]

change YRC quick shefter to 2 for smooth low rpm quick shifting if ur riding in the city , number 1 is for race track and require high rpm to smooth shifting

[@MotoMaximus]

Thank you!

[@xYZFxrider]

Good comparison. I have a 2009 R1 and I like it but its time for a new Bike. The r1 looks the same since 2015. The rr is more comfy and I love the advanced electronics. Accordingly I will take the bmw. 🇩🇪

[@jvillain9946]

Im so torn on these 2 bikes. Looking to get a new liter bike right now. In my opinion the R1 just looks and sounds better than any other liter bike except for maybe a ducati, and its so planted at high speeds. Plus you get yamaha reliability and lower servicing cost. The S1k looks great too and has so much more to offer and feels more premium. I haven't gotten to ride one yet but from what I understand theyre much more comfortable as a daily. There is a used 23 s1k premium package with forged wheels, 600 miles, a full akra exhaust and a stage 1 brentune. I found for $18.9 and a new 23 R1 with 0 miles for $17.5, both out the door, not including taxes. Cant decide. Of coarse I might just get a MT10sp for several grand less too. Whats your opinion?

[@MotoMaximus]

You get a chance to sit on them yet? Its something i highly recommend doing. I would say, in your case, the bmw is a better deal. At the end of the day, both are great bikes. If you lived around my area i would let you ride both and decide for yourself. =)

[@jvillain9946]

@@MotoMaximus naw I can't sit on it. Too far away. It's 5 hours away. Dealership will deliver it to me if I buy it. Supposed to do paperwork tmrw if I don't change my mind. My only other concern is servicing cost. Do the new S1000 still have to go to the dealership to clear servicing codes like the previous gen? Nearest dealership is 1.5 hrs.

[@MotoMaximus]

@jvillain9946 have not run into that, but im sure they do… I have the Brentune on the R1 (physical device) and that lets me reset any codes which may come up. Perhaps you could do same with the RR.

[@jvillain9946]

@@MotoMaximus cool. I'll ask them about it tmrw. Thanks for the info

[@MotoMaximus]

@@jvillain9946 no worries and good luck 👍

[@Space6amer]

dude looks like a 37 year old married man with kids thats the only person you can trust on advice tbh. Video was amazing probably the best comparison video on youtube

[@MotoMaximus]

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[@Mythoruss]

Woooow the s1000rr sound fiiiiiire 🔥🔥

[@norfiril]

Had the 2016 R1M and regret selling it a few years ago. Looking now for a new bike and love these two. Heard some reliability issues with the 2020 BMW but didn’t read anything for the 2023 model. In my country they are more or less the same price

[@jake88ci]

2020 bmw hayes calipers replaced with Nissin m calipers

[@citocaraballo7839]

Stick headers on the r1 are titanium but of small diameter. Can't compare to a full akrapovic

[@riddhimanbanerjee5872]

Which shows problems more frequently?

[@MotoMaximus]

Neither really…

[@LuckyLuke_81]

Hi, great comparison. BTW, did you have to do any specyfic mods to fit that cluch pull lever? Lines, etc.?

[@MotoMaximus]

No mods required, you just need to take off the stock perch and replace with the RSC perch. Tuck the electric lines that typically go to the clutch switch inside the control box. I have a separate video that covers the install. One day I will find some time to mount the clutch switch onto the RSC perch, but it’s quite fine without it.

[@BrazilJaguar]

Love this video helped me choose my bike, also made me laugh 😂 thank you! Cheers!

[@FriscoFaces]

Which one is faster and pulls harder?

[@MotoMaximus]

Straight line BMW, on course - R1. BMW pulls harder, but it’s not by much.

[@BlakeTyler-i6f]

⁠@@MotoMaximushow much better is the r1 on course?

[@MotoMaximus]

@ I find the throttle to be a little jerky, but that can be adjusted a bit.. bmw is way smoother and better electronics overall. I find the Yamaha geometry to be more natural, thus I can push it further than the bmw. Overall, R1 to me is more track oriented than the S1000, even though they would be fairly close.

[@allnighterist]

yamaha is always better' its got motogp techs in it, its reliable, and parts are always available. But if you want modern suzuki gsxr' get the bmw 👍🏻

[@Kenevoslcomp777]

Which do you personally like better I’m thinking of getting a new r1 or bmw s1000rr

[@MotoMaximus]

R1… I feel more comfortable on it and I really enjoy the cross plane sound. 1000RR, although more refined, easier to ride, and has better features … feels a bit weird and unnatural for me. Both are excellent bikes, both will be a solid option.

[@gangsta_pigeon8023]

@@MotoMaximus is the seating position of the s1k more in the bike? Like do you feel more in the middle compared to the r1?

[@MotoMaximus]

@@gangsta_pigeon8023 the gas tank pushes you back a bit keeping you a bit more upright… also, the center of the bike feels more to the rear compared to the R1.

[@eagle.s1k]

Hey man, im thinking of getting a s1000rr same specs as yours, however my question is, without the dynamic package like yours, does it still have ride modes if i prefer less power like track and rain mode or something of that sort? And also im assuming it comes standar with traction control and abs right even on thr very base model.

[@MotoMaximus]

Yes, the modes are still there as they control throttle response, traction control and so on. The dynamic suspension supposedly automatically adjusts the ride softness and stiffness, which was kind of pointless in my opinion. I’ve never had it on any other sport bike and don’t really need it. Besides, it’s yet another thing to worry about breaking down the road. You retain all the important pieces, and lose all the unnecessary crap. Heated grips? Who the hell needs that? 😃

[@eagle.s1k]

@@MotoMaximus yessir! Totally agree with you. I’m torn between the base model s1000r and a gsxr1000, obviously Gsxr is a bit cheapr, but now since you made it more clear I might give the s1000rr a go

[@MotoMaximus]

@@eagle.s1k just make sure you get to sit on both bikes before you pull the trigger

[@ohwell2790]

The Yamaha hands down.

[@citocaraballo7839]

Great comparison though

[@steffidas4785]

Forever s1000rr since i do not have second choices so ✌️

[@TIMHARTTT]

Congratulations on both bikes, i would like to hear your feedback about the heat management on both bike and which one would you recommend for reliability and daily riding, is the bmw really taller than R1 ?? I thought the opposite , and finally if you have an idea about their real life mpg from your experience. Thanks.

[@MotoMaximus]

Hey hey… to be honest both bikes are perfectly set up for daily riding with the BMW perhaps taking the edge in terms of comfort (electronics) and Yamaha is taking the edge in terms of cost of maintenance. Both will be quite reliable. The RR is taller than the R1 no matter what the specs may say. The other thing is that the RR has a taller fuel tank than the R1. Check the video again when I pan from the RR to the R1 and you will see how much the two differ. The tank on the R1 is more comfortable IMO. MPG will be about the same when properly tuned, with BMW being a bit more efficient.

[@TIMHARTTT]

Appreciate your detailed answer, got your points, for me right now the list went down from 5 bikes to 3 and it is really a headache when it comes to choosing your new and only bike, 1- Fireblade 2024 2-R1M 2024 3-Ducati V4 or { V4R } even though it is super expensive but one of the sexiest bike ever, plus high revving engine which i really love. The new 2024 R1M had the best color/carbon fiber scenery since its inception, and I believe after all those years they fixed everything about it hence the reliability is way better than before, heard about the crank failures and gearboxes. If you can give me an advise regarding my options I would be grateful. Thanks

[@MotoMaximus]

@@TIMHARTTT It’s a toss up between a Ducati and a Yamaha. If money is not an issue I would say lean towards the V4. The looks and the performance are sufficient to justify the buy. I had that same decision to make when getting the R1 and for me it came down to cost. The V4 is still on the list to get in the next year or so, I just wish they had a different color option other than RED. 😄😆

[@gregsmith9470]

If u go lowering the back of the bike and not touch the front it is definitely not going to turn as good and sooner or later ull lose the front , lower both ends the same

[@MotoMaximus]

Lowered the RR 1 inch and it’s handling much better than before primarily because it lowered the center of gravity.

[@kennethhavoc6920]

That rx7 though

[@MotoMaximus]

Was my first car coming out of high school - many years ago 👍👍

[@G-Man01]

I do not like the ergos of the R1, it's uncomfortable. Also hate the yamahas single headlight.

[@brandoncarreon6832]

I have a dumb question, for a quick shifter are you able to down shift without pulling in the clutch In?

[@MotoMaximus]

Correct… shift up and down without using the clutch lever

[@brandoncarreon6832]

@@MotoMaximus awesome, thank you!

[@kevingramajo818]

Which bike would you say if more reliable ?

[@MotoMaximus]

That’s a tough one as both are solid bikes. I think that if you stay on top of maintenance both will be just fine for 20k plus miles under regular conditions. My definition of regular is pushing the bike to upper ranges mixed in with some cruising.

[@AJYZF1R2010]

does the R1 feel like it handles better on corners?

[@MotoMaximus]

it does, perhaps that’s due to a lower center of gravity

[@AJYZF1R2010]

@@MotoMaximus I noticed that watching Max wrist at the dragon seems no Matter how far he leans the bike his knee is bearly touching the ground while other riders in different bikes are elbow dragging the S1k looks super tall

[@MotoMaximus]

@AJFZ1R2010 S1K has an odd center point… it sits higher and the weight is further back on the bike. With the R1, you feel like you are sitting on top of the bike with your weight forward. To me it’s a more natural position. As far as knee dragging goes, I’m sure you will be able to do that on either bike after getting adjusted.

[@AJYZF1R2010]

@@MotoMaximus I appreciate the info I’m currently talking to my local beemer dealer hopefully I can get one soon

[@AJYZF1R2010]

I actually have an 04 r1 same color as the one in your videos working on trading it in along with my Harley for the S1k

[@Minbar808]

price bmw 1000rr 2020 pleez

[@AJYZF1R2010]

18 To 30k

[@gunnyhighway4422]

That akrapovic on the bmw sounds awful like its blowing, deffo needs a tune the fueling is all over the place

[@MotoMaximus]

Yup 💯 will be done in spring…

[@chrisfri13]

Could you describe how you find the two riding positions? I’m 6’4” and I’m trying to decide between these two. Looking for a track bike that I can still ride to and from the track.

[@MotoMaximus]

Here is the biggest difference between the two: R1 is more natural in terms of riding position, center of gravity and control. RR has better electronics, smoother powerband and better brakes. If I had to take one to the track, I would choose the R1 every time simply because I feel the bike better than the RR. That said, the RR is very tippy and easy to ride, however I just feel that it takes more work when you start pushing it.

[@chrisfri13]

@@MotoMaximus thanks for that insight, very helpful! I’ve heard a lot about that the R1 is a very agressive riding position, do you find it “too much” on long rides?

[@MotoMaximus]

@@chrisfri13 I feel no different between the R1 or the RR. You may sit more forward on the R1 but it doesn’t not impact your wrists, shoulders, or anything like that. To be honest, I prefer that position.

[@chrisfri13]

@@MotoMaximus thanks man! All of this was super helpful!

[@dute007]

​@@MotoMaximusHow tall are you sir?

[@sethsimmons6638]

Is the brake pedal position not adjustable up and down? I have never seen a bike where it wasn't adjustable.

[@MotoMaximus]

Stock on that package no, M adjustable rear sets, yes. Adjustable rear sets run you another $450 I believe.

[@sethsimmons6638]

@@MotoMaximus that stinks. Thanks for the solid video and explanations of everything! Those two bikes are at the top of my potential purchases next summer so it was nice to see a comparison from someone who owns both

[@MotoMaximus]

@@sethsimmons6638 no worries… just don’t pivot your decision on the rear sets because you can always get a factory or an aftermarket set up if needed…

[@johnharris3335]

Does R1 have gas gauge??

[@MotoMaximus]

Gas gauge in a classical sense, no. It meters the fuel and notifies you when you reached the low fuel mark and then counts off about 20 miles to empty.

[@reaganhughes169]

Good video

[@cycle_Therapy]

What! Bro, my 23 with premium and race package was 22k.

[@MotoMaximus]

All depends when and where you buy.

[@dmr3e]

Out the door, including taxes and all other fees?

[@cycle_Therapy]

@dmr3e yes sir.

[@michellsevilla3084]

I always heard the bmw it's a lot more comfortable than the r1, everywhere and everybody says the same

[@mt10-nick66]

The R1 is a racers bike. The S1K is the show ponies take it to cars and coffee and not get their backs to sore bike. It's the most overrated bike on the market and no one can convince me otherwise. It's yet to do jack shit in Motoamerica, WSBK, BSBK etc. I don't give 2 shits about all the electronics on the bikes..I want a raw/aggressive bike. I've literally heard guys complain how the S1K is boring to ride because it's so smooth. Yeah no thanks.

[@michellsevilla3084]

​@@mt10-nick66 to each their own but you can't say it's overrated cuz to this day it's the most advanced, and do it all type bike on the market, plain and simple. I love the crossplane sound of the r1 and i'm looking to buy a r1m cuz i think r1's in general probably are gonna be discontinued and i'm already an owner of a 2020 r6, so i love yamahas their reliability, looks, handling and sound, but i have to admit that the bmw it's the better bike, it's faster, looks sick, it's more advance technologically and it has the flex factor, so between the two, yes, the bimmer it's the smartest choice even with it's price tag and if you can't see that then you just very close minded and ignorant, i can tell you also that i have friends and know of people that have the s1k and they fucking love it, so you're entitled to your opinion about liking raw and aggresive, but to talk shit about a bike like that just shows ignorance my boy, no one needs to convince you cuz everybody at the end of the day knows the truth of what i'm saying ✌️ also you talking shit about the guys with s1k that are not trying to get their back sores and you have a VERY COMFORTABLE STRAIGHT BACK POSITION MT10 ! 😂😂😂🤡

[@MotoMaximus]

@michellsevilla3084 best way to settle this is to get both 🤜🤛

[@michellsevilla3084]

@@MotoMaximus not even worth it 😂😂

[@MotoMaximus]

@@michellsevilla3084 Im adding a Ducati this summer. 😂 😂

[@jvillain9946]

Oh btw, just lower the sag on the bmw

[@MotoMaximus]

I just lowered it 1” via new link. Perfect height now. 🤘

[@hardscope7744]

Traffic with a bike come on brother what traffic 😂

[@MotoMaximus]

😂 😂

[@11105angel]

wtf i paid 22k out the door for my 2023 R1 out here in Cali.

[@MotoMaximus]

I got my 21 in 22, so at that point is was a previous year model that the dealer didn’t sell, so they were able to drop the price quite a bit and I bought it in the middle of winter here in Michigan which is a slow time for the dealers.. I think that’s the main reason for the lower $$

[@11105angel]

@@MotoMaximus that’s a bitchin deal 👌