2024 KTM Traction Issues?

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@enduroskillstraining 3 ай бұрын

I've done more than 200hrs on the new chassis across 5 bikes (EXC's here in Europe). I went to Romania in July, jumped on a box fresh 2024 KTM 300EXC TBI and finished Silver class Romaniacs. They make incredible traction. People complaining about traction on need training both on rider technique and bike setup/tyre selection front. :)

@firffighter 3 ай бұрын

Greg, I missed a few videos from this season, but awesome to see you on the new 250 thumper. These little bikes are so much more capable as woods weapons than people realize. I thoroughly enjoyed several seasons on my YZ250FX that was set up for Oregon/Washington mountain single track and woods. I moved on to a KTM 350 this season and have enjoyed it immediately. I think the traction comments from other KZbinrs is more of a correlation of the age of some of these guys, not necessarily the bike's capabilities. Realize many of these reviews are coming from senior citizen riders who are not riding the same type of difficult terrain we have in the PNW. Thanks for another great video and one side note. I've found that bumping up the idle ever so slightly will make a big impact on the stalls when attacking the tougher steep technical climbs. Looking forward to some great PNW Fall videos. Keep them coming!

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

Thanks. I'm having so much fun on this bike so far. Only rode the TE300 once since I got this bike.

@OtisFlint 3 ай бұрын

I've only seen that comment on the PDS bikes. Like i commented on your first 250XCF vid, these 250Fs are highly underrated. Very capable in the technical terrain and so fun to scream up top in the open stuff.

@richardhammond2633 3 ай бұрын

I like how you debunk some of the so called issues with these bikes. That thing is a weapon, even does well in the tech. Great trails as always. 👍

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@ParkerRichards360 3 ай бұрын

On my ‘24 250 xcw I had to add 2 more millimeters of sag than I would normally run and voila! Swimming in traction! I’m also running a tusk talon with tubliss at 5ish psi.

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

Setup is important, not enough sag can really affect the amount of traction you get.

@enforcer-enduro 3 ай бұрын

Have several local hard enduro riders that have done the same thing, also had to play with wheel base to find traction on the same level as previous bikes. Unfortunately this comes with some drawbacks as well since you start to play with the bikes geometry and how you as a rider have to weight the bike while riding. I think that it won't be an issue for most of the trail riders, but for those who ride harder terrain.

@gpaull2 3 ай бұрын

PDS is more critical about having the correct spring for your weight and sag than a linkage setup. Every rider that complains about PDS performance has a blank stare when I ask them about spring rate and sag.

@erekarodriguez5742 3 ай бұрын

VE33 is a great tire. So is the JX8! Beautiful trails!

@wednesdar452 3 ай бұрын

I think the traction complainer people are mostly riding loose, dry, steep desert stuff... hearing that thing flame out on the climbs reminded me why I no longer ride a 4T on trails!

@painsrides 3 ай бұрын

There's two riders in our crew with 2025 300's, a TE and an XCw. Initially when running the stock Dunlop Geomax tires both bikes had HORRIBLE traction, especially with the rear. In fact the TE's rear slipped sideways on a low log into branch and ripped out 3 spokes 😶. Both riders showed up next ride with IRC VE33s rear tires(our go-to choice for New England terrain), one had an M59 up front and the other a VX40. The bikes were transformed, both riders could finally feel how good the chassis, suspension and power is on their new bikes....

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

People actually use the stock rear tire? 😂😬

@williamcrotts7054 3 ай бұрын

@@PNWEnduro Stock rear is good at 4 psi.

@BobcatSig 3 ай бұрын

@@PNWEnduro The Dunlop Geomax is a good tire. Works well enough most places even if it doesn't last long. It's a decent all-around tire. To your point; something specific and suited to riding the PNWet is key... and there are much better tires than the Geomax for such riding. Incidentally, I really like the MX33F front. A lot.

@Anatoli50 3 ай бұрын

@@painsrides If you like the Dunlop AT 81, try the AT 81 EX. Same tread pattern but much stickier rubber. It’s for those hard enduro wet conditions where you need maximum traction. Softer than a VE 33s. Just don’t expect it to last very long, especially in race conditions. Expensive, but worth it in extreme gnar.

@painsrides 3 ай бұрын

@@PNWEnduro .. Just the ones complaining about traction.. 🤣

@shawnh2590 3 ай бұрын

Yes, I have heard that from the PDS system not so much on the bikes with linkage. My 24 TE300 has never had that problem.

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

I've tried a handful of 2024 PDS bikes now, they seem fine as well.

@skylineenduro 3 ай бұрын

This 250f looks so capable. Has me very interested.

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

I like this bike way more than I was expecting to, it's amazing. Was really worried I'd regret not getting the 350 but not anymore!

@OtisFlint 3 ай бұрын

Buy one. They're awesome!

@airindiana Ай бұрын

I’ve. 2022 FE250 I run for hare scrambles in uk and cross country. 250F platform is mega, I wouldn’t want anything else.

@user-fe5fy6et7g Ай бұрын

What Astra bar model do you prefer? I’ve noticed different astra bar pads throughout your videos so I’m assuming they are different bends. Just seeing what model you prefer. I’m leaning more to the 38mm Gemini.

@PNWEnduro Ай бұрын

@@user-fe5fy6et7g I’m actually running the stock bars, just use the smaller bar pad to fit better with my bar bag. I was using Gemini 27mm on the Husky.

@user-fe5fy6et7g Ай бұрын

@ in your opinion are they worth it? I still have stk bars on my 23 KTM 300 XC-W. Don’t know if they are $150 better than stock or a traditional brand? Thanks for your info

@micahnuckols5046 3 ай бұрын

I heard it can be fixed by adjusting the rebound, but it probably depends on the rider.

@BraaapoholicBob 3 ай бұрын

I have a new 24 300 XCW. The traction it gets is better than any bike I’ve ever owned. I just installed the TSP map and medium compression head. Life is good. Also, your bike sounds really good. What pipe and silencer are you running? I’m still running the stock set up and it sounds yucky.

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

Stock exhaust.

@Montana_Motorized 3 ай бұрын

I went from an 18 XC-W to a 23 TC (only ride mountain single track) and I think the traction is better on the 23. I would never go back to the PDS. 250 XC-F seems to work pretty well. How is the stalling/flaming out vs the Sherco 4T?

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

Way less stalling/flameouts.

@MrDirtrdr22 3 ай бұрын

As always, throttle control, tire and skill! Good video tho

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@coastalenduro 3 ай бұрын

Noticeable difference between my 2017 XC and my 2024 XCW. I get a lot of chatter out of the rear wheel that I never struggled with on the linkage XC. Softening the high and low speed rebound and then adjusting the rebound helped but it’s still notably worse.

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

Has the 2017 been re-valved?

@coastalenduro 3 ай бұрын

@@PNWEnduro nope and same spring so I’m assuming difference is PDS versus linkage.

@Anatoli50 3 ай бұрын

Those two bikes have different frames too. Lots of variables.

@gpaull2 3 ай бұрын

PDS is critical of correct spring for your weight. I highly doubt it would be the same spring as a linkage setup.

@coastalenduro 3 ай бұрын

@@gpaull2 I meant they were both changed to the correct spring for my weight. The springs are very different

@butchs3032 3 ай бұрын

Where are you getting your Astra bars? They seem to be sold out on the website all the time.

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

They have stock on their website now.

@MrDirtrdr22 3 ай бұрын

Speaking of traction. Have you tried the Plews Tyres EN1 " extreme" the tough one Fim regulation and Spec B 15mm knobs?

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

I don't think that brand is even sold in Canada.

@MrDirtrdr22 3 ай бұрын

@@PNWEnduro risk raceing is the us importer and seller. If you have access to them, the tire company is phenomenal with many options /styles, great company and service. Tires hands down have been phenomenal in the Washington and Idaho knar and rides, racing and hard enduro competitions.

@WASemiHardEnduro 3 ай бұрын

@@MrDirtrdr22 I’m on my second Plews Tough One, this time the Spec.b. Big fan of their tires (or is it tyres?)

@MrDirtrdr22 3 ай бұрын

@@WASemiHardEnduro agreed. I'm on the spec b as well. My 3rd plews. ❤️

@breeno59 3 ай бұрын

So when you are heading out for a day of riding what factors weigh in on which bike to take? (I just have a TE 300 so my choice is easy lol)

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

Mostly the type of terrain I'll be riding each day, the TE300 for the most technical trails. Also, if it's a ride with a lot of road or transfer sections the 4T is a lot nicer to ride.

@alexfeatherstone6676 3 ай бұрын

I think KTM stiffened the frame too much without adjusting the suspension on the MX bikes and they ended up being super stiff, idk if that effects the XCF models

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

The stiff frame is another topic I'd like to address. Stock 2024, 2024 with bolts removed and 2025 with new frame cutout. 3 riders switching up, see if we can really tell the difference.

@user-se7vt5ow4e 3 ай бұрын

Put an Ôlins TTX shock on the PDS bike and you will be amazed at how well the bike hooks up. It amazes me that after all these years KTM can’t figure this out.

@Stimmer6253472 3 ай бұрын

Curious... how big of a guy are you? Power didnt seem to be a problem for a 250.

@PNWEnduro 3 ай бұрын

5'7" 150lbs w/o gear.

@gpaull2 3 ай бұрын

I’m 230 with gear and rode a yz250fx in these conditions for a few years. Never an issue with power. Myself and another yz250fx rider could do hills that all of the 250/300 2 strokes in our very large group couldn’t do because the very wide power and didn’t require down shifting and losing momentum.

@benheywood4660 3 ай бұрын

My 24 exc 300 has the best traction of any bike I’ve ever owned.

@onthethrottle7104 3 ай бұрын

Amen brother, greatest enduro trail monster ever built.

@kerryoneil4798 3 ай бұрын

The Xcf models are closer to the sx than xcw. The people who say they can’t make it up the rooty, rocky section behind the trailer park are just not in touch with reality