2024 Mercedes-AMG C63 S Review // We Drove It Over 1,000 Miles And Um, Yeah.

[@styx85]

That eco-ball is a terrific idea. Eco-consciousness is famously the #1 priority for C63 buyers, so well done AMG for knowing your customers.

[@aw11man26]

Right up there with Bud Light

[@lowellhairston8525]

@@aw11man26 underrated comment

[@sirgeorgioalastrata4104]

The climate change propaganda is everywhere. Meanwhile the people pushing it are flying around the world on private jets

[@ikarugaxx3749]

Eco-consciousness would be cool even for AMG cars, if it weren't stomach-turning-ly false.

[@aw11man26]

@ikarugaxx3749 if you are trying to be eco conscious, then you don't build a high-performance car period

[@rappfilms8249]

On old top gear they asked "how did they get so little power out of a 7L V8?" It's now "how did they fit so much weight in such a small car?"

[@user-xw4vg1vy5e]

What car had a 7L V8?

[@rappfilms8249]

@@user-xw4vg1vy5e in the American special where he drives an old Lincoln I believe.

[@pajamallama2364]

@@user-xw4vg1vy5e 1967 Cadillac Eldorado had a longitudinally mounted engine that sat right at 7L (429 cu in.) so front wheel drive big boy V8.

[@ErectkyleDysfunction]

This isn't top gear

[@RMS027]

6.3L. The 63 used to be based on the displacement of the engine.

[@ericcarabetta1161]

It's impressive how much weight they can fit into such a small package.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

That's some superior German engineering right there! 😀

[@ApothecaryTerry]

I don't get it...a Lexus LC500h, a car universally mocked for being too heavy, is the size of a flatbed with this car on the back, yet this car is somehow nearly 200kg heavier. It weighs more than me driving a previous gen E-Class with my ex-girlfriend in the boot!

[@Comexcyc849]

It’s fine,at least in the us, this car are for young asshole to drive crazy on straight street road anyways so weight doesn’t really matter

[@Beer_Dad1975]

@@Comexcyc849 I've known a few people who have bought or leased C63's over the years - they were all over 50 - it's not a young persons car usually. Actually my retired neighbor leases one - replaces it with the latest model every few years - I'll be interested to see if he continues or switches to something else...

[@ericcarabetta1161]

@@Comexcyc849, there's no young people with $130k. The ones that somehow do aren't driving this thing.

[@SPEAKTRULY]

Quite possibly the biggest mistake AMG will ever make. Let’s thank James and Thomas for bringing us a difficult and 100% honest review. Throttle house did for us what AMG could not. They cared for their audience.

[@alcrawford4160]

Maybe AMG has noticed that they can't keep making v8s. The planet is getting hotter.

[@commonmockery1074]

Yes, the planet does that. We don’t have the infrastructure for electrics and hybrids only, as well. It would create more problems than it solves.

[@-_--le3zk]

​@@alcrawford4160as if it will make any difference anyway,we have much larger problems than just putting some v8s, tell me,how are batteries made?

[@TwinsAndAPitBull]

@@alcrawford4160 Doesn't mean they had to make it this bad though. Way too heavy, horrible chassis dynamics even for the weight, and they completely squandered the opportunity to provide a hotter version of the 6 cylinder to compete with the M3 (they already have it in the GT53). Then they dropped the 6 entirely taking a massive L to BMW in the engine department now. Anything under the GT63 and AMG GT is an embarrassment at this point.

[@RockinTheDub]

@@commonmockery1074problems spark innovation. It’s not ideal to have the product before the infrastructure, but there is a solution to every problem

[@pooh6546]

The repairs on this car 10 years down the line will be insane.

[@davide8641]

litterally the bottom line!

[@gilbertosantos2806]

At least it'll be a future bargain like the V10 M5, albeit not as fun.

[@majordiickh3ad187]

It has got to last that long first 600hp 4 cylinder big no no

[@TheBreakfastLover]

The majority of new Mercedes' on the road today are leases. It's a car you wouldn't want to own past warranty. Think of it like a luxury rental apartment.

[@paoloochangco6072]

i have a base merc. i totally get you hahaha!!! goodluck to the unlucky owner of lithium cars

[@zXPeterz14]

Thats crazy that merc didnt even manage ti use the hybrid to fill in the turbo lag power gap. Thats like one of the main benefits of hybridising a turbo engine 😅

[@xelaander8429]

Bruv! Like I've never see a hybrid engine still suffer turbo lag, what's then the point of said electric engine outside of a faster 0-60 and eco mode

[@3xoticG4m3r]

​@xelaander8429 because the turbo lag on that 2l 4cyl is insane. Its also why it looses every drag race against it's competitors (a45s vs rs3 and m240i for example).

[@VAR1607]

They literally have an electric turbo And haven’t put it in for this

[@chrxx4327]

It's an inline 4 making big power. The turbo must be huge, so long spool times. I think this car suffers from trying to use tech combinations that aren't there yet, if it had a lighter battery and more powerful electrical motors to fill the gap it would be better. Or if it just made less power from the 4 cylinder it could have a smaller turbo and still be a great drive.

[@wrth]

​@@chrxx4327the point of the hybrid should be that it is full power below the boost threshold then tapers off when the engine has power. this doesn't do that

[@FLBoyCanScrap]

4700 lbs for a C Class is insane.

[@darrenw4833]

This was a surprising number. Even heavier than the Tesla model 3, a pure EV vehicle, which is already negatively associated with its weight

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

It weighs more than the E63 I think

[@charleskavoukjian3441]

@@darrenw4833holy… I had no idea it matched the weight of a Tesla. 😮

[@charleskavoukjian3441]

@@DefinitelyNotEmmawow!

[@anandpushkar7510]

​@@darrenw4833this is why the performance era of Mercedes is over ,they all weigh a ton and handle numb , the shift of enthusiasts from merc to bmw and audi is pretty evident

[@TonyStark-mp6zv]

Even in Germany the sales figures of the new C63 are close to zero, which is crazy considering how popular the previous version was

[@sheryo17]

Well done for them, they think we gonna buy their crap revolution...

[@Baalenciaga666]

Umm 😂 working for AMG? Because I have close connections and they’re doing more than well.

[@Ymcdaj]

Good

[@irokpe6977]

​@@Baalenciaga666the op is talking about one AMG model. He isn't talking about the entire AMG lineup

[@Pirustae]

It's not crazy if the previous one was the more popular. It means the new one sucks.

[@avipillai1584]

This just makes cars like the BMW M3, the Alfa Giulia QV, and the Cadillac CT4 Blackwing seem like that much more of an automatic “buy now” before everything goes to EV.

[@BNizam]

Not even a competition. Look how they massacred my c63 😢

[@DougC83]

Just buy a w205 amg lightly used, g series m sounds like shit

[@bcisn]

Literally just bought a 2023 new QV. 1000% agree get them while you can.

[@avipillai1584]

@@bcisn congrats! i have a ‘17 Giulia and i love it to death. i’ve also driven the new M3 and the Blackwing and those are both amazing cars too. such a shame that mercedes messed this thing up the way they did given how good the competition is

[@supremeetnel7707]

100% because the new m3 is SOOO much fun. Literally the best car in its segment

[@Timoastra]

Mercedes tried to please everyone, but in the end they pleased no one.

[@iosgaming2824]

No they just didn’t please buyers that don’t like the sound lol. The same has been said about a lot of their classes like the s class, e class, and g wagon and those sell like hotcakes, even the notoriously hated ev line sells very well

[@Roomsaver]

Normal people will buy them because they “look nice”. Non-car people do not care about cars

[@MrSchn3ll]

They tried to please the climate crazies and in-turn ruined the whole purpose for this car.

[@navdeepsingh3508]

Mercedes turned this car into a whore...now no one wants to marry it.. 😂

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

​@@iosgaming2824 AMG is all about the sound and engine.

[@esco1578]

The fact they were honest completely separates about this car sets them apart from almost every car review channel. Once people make it big. They sell out to the manufacturers. This is now my trusted car review channel. Much respect!!

[@MALIK-fk1rz]

my boy shut up

[@useurnaame]

It's so pathetic the way all the big channels sellout and become little puppets that will bark out whatever nonsense their masters demand of them. They would sell there own mother for a couple dollars no doubt.. the amount of bots in there comment sections is outrages too lmao 🤣.

[@RUS38]

Mercedes must have not paid enough if anything for the review😂

[@MrMullerLove]

W204 Facelift C63 will always have my heart. I’ll never forget the first time I heard one during a class and ran to the window to watch (and hear) it drive off. That sound… Everyone thought I was nuts 🤪🤣

[@zartic4life]

I mean ya it's a car.

[@MALIK-fk1rz]

@@zartic4lifelolll 😭😭

[@RRR1-z9c]

@@zartic4lifethings have different meaning to people 🤡

[@zartic4life]

@@RRR1-z9c doesn't make it different from what it is.

[@tenzinsmith]

@@zartic4lifeit doesn’t need to, because it’s different to them.

[@calebneff5777]

They did it, boys. They are finally embracing their Top Gear-like persona and doing a cruise from Italy to southern France. All we need is death-tempting challenges.

[@calebneff5777]

We already know that James is Richard Hammond’s illegitimate son, but it’s good to see Thomas embrace his inner May (He was already Clarkson’s Canadian nephew)

[@Ahmad.s_handle]

​@@calebneff5777James is Richard Hammond's literal real son?

[@calebneff5777]

@@Ahmad.s_handle Lol no

[@Ahmad.s_handle]

@@calebneff5777 oh wait, you wrote "illegitimate". My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined .

[@mrflippant]

They just need to drop a caravan on a Morris Marina and they're there.

[@amrocko]

Appreciate your honest reviews. Car and Driver’s buyer guide gives this thing a 9.5 out of 10 and ranks it above the M3/M4. Jalopnik reported the XM was more fun than the new M2. I don’t buy that nonsense. Glad to see genuine reviews from real enthusiasts.

[@johnsclar6371]

I've been suspicious that certain sites and journalists are paid off or "incentivized" by these companies to give favorable reviews. That or traditional purist enthusiasts have been phased out for mindless drones. Ex: Jason Cammisa for whoever runs Motortrend's review now Either way, I've never understood why they forced the inevitability of crossovers on us and tried to make us think that smaller boring engines are ... wait for it ... just a good as the bigger, rowdy ones 😮 Conspiracy theory: they are lobbied by dealerships to increase sales?

[@robertoguzman8273]

they're all sheep

[@faheemabbas3965]

@@johnsclar6371definitely paid. Otherwise the manufacturer wouldn’t have provided such a new car. Redline Reviews, TFL, etc. Marketing reviewers.

[@scheeenfilmiesgucke]

Recently driven the XM at an M town event. Was definitely fun, but not in any way comparable to an M2.

[@francoispanneton609]

Always enjoy an honest review! Unfortunately, it may be the boys’ last Mercedes Benz invitation as it is well documented the car companies « treat » the « team players » to these amazing, lavish product launches, not the brutality honest driving impressions… Keep up the good work guys. We appreciate your selfless work !! 😆

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

When it was announced to be a hybrid 4-Cylinder I showed it to my dad, himself a Mercedes Fan and AMG customer. His face was priceless, he genuinely recoiled and raised his eyebrows. As for the car itself, it doesn't look special as all AMGs look the same now, it's super heavy and it has an A-Class engine. A CT4-V Blackwing, Giulia Quadrifoglio or M3 seem like the more exciting and enticing options.

[@seafooddiablo5686]

That would have been funny to see a man say ewww without a word spoken

[@Jonny2by4]

I hope he bought a 205

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

@@Jonny2by4 He has an AMG GT, no C-Class

[@SL4US]

modern mercs are so overrated to me man and it seems like anyone that makes a decent living has one. i valet part time and have driven almost all of the lastest ones. the only one to genuinely impress me is the gt63

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

@@SL4US My dad isn't too keen on the direction they're going in. He had an E63s from 2019, which he really liked but it got totaled, after that came the RS6 which he's looking to sell and get a G500 instead, his dream car. He also enjoys the GT-R, but admits he doesn't drive it as often as he should. I personally prefer Porsche anyway, Mercedes never did anything for me really, but I like some models, like the last gen SL63, the SLS, SLR McLaren and 300SL. I like the long nosed ones xD

[@nataniela5256]

I bought a 2019 AMG C63S this year. I added some HR Lowring springs, sports exhaust and chipped it to run at 640BHP. Glorious, monster V8 that will now hold its value.

[@TonyMPS3]

На сколько хватит его ресурса?

[@Outcastiid]

"Chipped" Brother please.

[@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens]

​@@OutcastiidObviously he means he gave it an ECU tune

[@Outcastiid]

@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens it's a really dumb thing to say, as there is proper terminology for such.

[@RS-jb1lf]

@@OutcastiidChipped is a common term used in Britain for a car that has had an ECU flash

[@jhonnydrop7100]

The production values of this series are now off the charts! This and Camissa’s Haggerty shows are the absolute pinnacle of what KZbin car shows can be! Bravo guys, your content as of late has been absolutely amazing! 👏

[@camsak8713]

And the M340i with its B58 6 cylinder is now also way more desirable than the C43.

[@DIgitusSmartas]

Not only that but M3 started as a 6 cylinders and stayed that for decades minus hat short period of being v8

[@AF-nb1ry]

@@DIgitusSmartasm3 started as a 4 cylinder you bozo.

[@adamjwmoss]

@@DIgitusSmartasm3 started as a 4 cylinder

[@wonkydada]

It was the M5 that started as a straight six cylinder, that one was sweet

[@carmonaprime6297]

more desirable and more durable too; there's just less things to go wrong

[@yissibiiyte]

I get that 63s haven't actually had 6.3L engines for a while and the name is kind of meaningless, but it has always at least meant a V8

[@Natepwnsu]

Its only a 6.29L engine , so they were being disingenuous from the start

[@urbannomad8126]

Sure but tech changes. A turbo I6 today (M3/4) is far superior to the 4.0 liter turbo innthe older c63. I own three cars and all are V8s. So I live V8s. But the times they are a changing. 😕

[@DuBstep115]

@@urbannomad8126 Supercharged V8 was always the best, CLS 55 AMG was the best merc I ever owned

[@dalaanibombina8822]

Things change. Time to grow up and stop being a child.

[@Ta_Lux]

It would've been better at least if it was called C43 instead to match the engine

[@jx6716]

Great review from those 2 guys again. Thank you. 700hp from 4 cylinders. It only feels sexy on paper.

[@MR_stone69]

Fr

[@DavidBrown-bs7gg]

Proud to say I owned and experienced a C63 back in 2008 when they had a roaring 6.2 litre engine

[@mattwasilewicz9677]

Me too. I bought a C63 507 new in 2014, was one of my favourite cars I have owned. My daily is now a 2016 S63 Coupe, and I am never going to get rid of it, all of the newer AMG cars suck

[@Jwalker27]

Drove 600 km in a 2016 C63 AMG. That 4.0 V8 biturbo sound will never cease to amaze me. No matter how much horsepower the newer version has, I’m not buying it

[@tenhundredkills]

Never owned one, but I did test drive a 2010 C63. What an absolute beast! That was probably the most fun test drive I ever had. Too bad I can't afford maintenance on them!

[@diablocls55]

Proud to say I still own and will never sell a CLS55 with a roaring 5.5 supercharged V8 engine

[@Losiu151]

I still have the W204 c63 and I’d never switch it to this 4 cylinder garbage even if it had 1000+ HP

[@roquefernandes4126]

This show is getting very close to the old Top Gear and I'm loving it. Keep up the good work guys.

[@braddishv3146]

No it isn't.

[@stuartlee3827]

Except for the fact that they're reviewing cars, not duvets 😉

[@Davoodoox1]

I hate when the hosts do not dare to say anything negative about the product they are testing because then they risk losing the opportunity to test anything in the future. These guys are honest and tells the truth what a heap of garbage this car actually is. Liked and subscribed 100%.

[@littleexplorerapparel]

Negative sir!

[@gottliebdee263]

That means it's getting worse. By the time it reached its peak, Top Gear was just a mess of contrived challenges and sexist BS.

[@DOOMLORDHOKAGE]

Me who can’t afford this: “Ah yes this is absolutely ridiculous, I will no longer be buying one.”

[@Bimmer_i4_M50]

As 99,9% here too :-)

[@stefanomarcellino6701]

💀

[@mantarayal]

Indeed. Yes. I am actually so happy I do not have to wonder about, or ponder, this car's obvious flaws, and general hopelessness. Thank god I am so financially challenged.

[@thisisstudioframe]

1:51 YOU ARE A LEGEND FOR THIS

[@dawnpoint]

This edit is more professional, more personality-filled, more fun than anything prior. You guys just keep getting better and better with no limit in sight.

[@angelo3353]

agreed. this video was very nice to watch

[@DrVenom63]

One of those rare moments when you thinks if only they had discontinued the c63 rather than giving us this.

[@Tricolor40004]

No no than used c63s would explode in price and I still want a w204 c63

[@hellocar123]

@@Tricolor40004the v8 ,cars are still gonna boost in price

[@Tricolor40004]

@@hellocar123 you’re right but hopefully not as bad as completely cutting of the car

[@twinkle5508]

​@@Tricolor40004facts!!

[@Ymcdaj]

They discontinue the CLS 63 but give us a 4 cylinder c43 and call it a c63…

[@ayeshadel7204]

6 figure starting price is absurd, compare to the M3's starting price of 76K$ i know which one I'm choosing.

[@MCxTuber]

M3 doesnt start at that price

[@sparko58]

Or like a 22 w205 c63s

[@bigstepper4203]

@@MCxTuberyes it does the RWD base is right there

[@Doa744]

but the M3 is so damn ugly :/

[@junyaiwase]

M3 😍😍😍

[@alecman95]

I’ve watched a few reviews on this car. This one feels like it’s literally the only one that’s not paid for by Mercedes, you guys seem unfiltered which is great Subscribed

[@uwkcal]

Exactly why i subcribed 😆😆

[@shahvez1660]

It's sad to see the car that got me into cars in the first place massacred like this. I wasn't really into cars until I rode in a W204 C63 that had an x-pipe exhaust, the roar of the NA V8 in that got me hooked, I loved the W205 for its brutal power delivery and amazing exhaust note. Then, this happened.

[@DjCrunchtime]

same bro same. It was the W205 rental in Las Vegas that did it for me. I drove it for 2 days in November2019. by December 2019 I bought a 2016 C63s. I now own An E63s and a AMG GTR

[@Sickwitit18]

Look how they did my boy 🤌🤌

[@federicosveglia7082]

@@Sickwitit18 ​​⁠​⁠How they massacred*. And also, here in Italy, Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio is out of production.

[@federicosveglia7082]

@@Sickwitit18I hope they wont turn in into another fucking vacuum cleaner like mercedes did with C class

[@curtisjackson40]

Blame the fucking government

[@mattblock6616]

Former amg chief Tobias Moers hated that mercedes forced him to make this car. There were reports he stormed out of a meeting with the mercedes execs when they told him the direction of the new c63. Now we see why. What were they thinking?

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

Do you have a link?

[@nirfz]

Not sure T. Moers was involved in this, he had moved on to Aston Martin years before the end of the W205.

[@faheemabbas3965]

Mercedes, and other German luxury manufactures, are no longer about engineers. They’re about bean counters. Remember when they used to be fairly reliable cars? Now they’ll definitely never be. Forever. Yeah a Tesla has worse build quality, but at least it’ll be more reliable than this C63 with its overpowered tiny engine in that’s a financial disaster waiting to happen. At that point I’d go for a Tesla. Seriously…

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@faheemabbas3965 at what point they were about engineers for more than 1 random generation of cars? And where they were reliable, it's literally 90+% drop in price for every 15+ year german top-end car because it's a total disaster from reliability point of view

[@jojodivas9211]

What were they thinking? Well for the majority that will buy it and not give a shit about how it performs, it will be for “DUDE DO YOU FEEL THAT 0-120 km/h?!?! THIS CAR IS QUICK”, and then “this Mercedes is a Hybrid now. Your car is a sports car but is it a hybrid in the same category? Nah I don’t think so.”, And “Mercedes duh, fast and has luxury.” That’s what they’re thinking.

[@richieduck67]

Moment of silence for the V8

[@james64ibm]

There will be lots of moments of silence I'm afraid.

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

A V6 would have been acceptable, but an inline 4???

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Does Mercedes even make a V6 anymore? Mercedes and BMW seems to be of the opinion that the V6 isn't good.

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Mercedes did so until fairly recently. As for BMW, they always preferred Inline-six engines, and Mercedes switched to them now as well, because they are more related to their prevalent Inline-four engine.

[@faheemabbas3965]

I hate EVs. Not because they’re horribly boring (id like a model 3 performance), but because they’re the reason why we now have a built-to-explode overpowered 4 cylinder AMG that once had a V8. Remember when benzes used to be fairly reliable? Now they’ll never be. Forever. Marketing car.

[@rorisangtsoeu2501]

I am a Mercedes fan but I have to say I value how BMW can listen to the audience.👍🏽

[@duosable]

I don't think the ugly grill is demanded by the audience.

[@drivermod4013]

I think it would've been better if they had used the old 3 liter V6 from the C43 and then slap the hybrid system, that way it sounds a lot better, has some soul, but also manage the weight better, plus the naming would be somewhat better, 6 for V6, 3 for 3 liter instead of a 2 liter 4 cylinder

[@senagangbe5804]

Wouldn't really work. That 6 cylinder is factory assembled, not hand assembled, which is an even bigger nono for the c63 name. Any top AMG needs to be hand assembled, even the a45. Weight management wouldn't have gotten better, they need to rehaul the entire suspension system for that to make sense. Kind of how they have hugeeee brakes on for the weight.

[@musashi6875]

@@senagangbe5804then they couldve hand made a v6 ? Atleast the sound wouldve been better ..

[@drivermod4013]

@@musashi6875 correct, if they would have put time and money into M276 DELA 30, they would've made it even better, but that engine is already good, has Forged Internals

[@Fifthelement203]

Exactly. This quest for efficiency is killing the car market. N I say this as someone who loves the environment

[@absolutium]

Essentially what the CLS 53 already was.

[@ZackaryHowell]

Great job team. Your content has been ridiculously good recently.. 4700 lbs for a C Class is insane..

[@vlone_slatt3504]

You know batteries have weight right🤓 🤣🤣

[@naitanwang6300]

@@vlone_slatt3504 Yes I do know that. But I didn’t ask for the batteries 😢

[@CascadeSlim0119]

@@vlone_slatt3504no shit really? Damn we didn’t know that 😒😂

[@vlone_slatt3504]

@@naitanwang6300 then don’t but it lol 😂 people are mad at the Mercedes EQ design but those cars always sell out straight off the truck lol 😆

[@vlone_slatt3504]

@@CascadeSlim0119 now you know 😎

[@richardnavratil9661]

You guys are moving up in the world. From local reviews to California trips, to your 3-part special (awesome by the way) to testing stuff in Europe. WELL DONE!

[@jamjamm100]

It possibly doesn't count much, but, YOU HAVE MY RESPECT! Super review.. The Honesty sounds so pure.. Wonderful mention of all the good and bad.. And a deserved highlight of the BAD for what is expected of, from, and for the car.. Great Job guys..!!

[@ashkan.arabim]

The moment they showed the previous generation I realized what a great thing we have lost in terms of design :(

[@Jon-hm2wu]

Than just buy the old one ffs

[@poppachoppa8956]

@@Jon-hm2wu calm down little buddy, this is called an opinion.

[@seanpalmer3982]

Yup, this new generation looks like robotic hamsters

[@ericvandoornen461]

no, the design is a lot better now, the motorization however is disgusting compared to the twin turbo v8

[@matthewlemoine6280]

I completely agree. Half the fun was the glorious V8 sound And there's nothing that can ever Replace that.

[@spaRTan3246]

95% to be honest… ❤

[@mattcook3801]

In Australia, it was pretty much the selling point. It was also a part of it car’s identity. This looks to me like it doesn’t know what it is. An AMG with that much push towards fuel efficiency is a really bad sign. They forgot who they were making cars for.

[@tbri5511]

The trouble is a 4 pot just doesn’t feel special, it’s the big engines of old German cars that stood them above the crowd. The engine is now no more glorious than that of a golf.

[@Breadfan00]

Yeah I’d claim the engine to be much more important than the actual hp. I’d take the old one detuned to 370hp over this

[@DW94576]

I remember before this came out and just getting rumors, I kept saying there’s no way that Mercedes AMG could be stupid enough to put a four-cylinder in the C63. But lo and behold here we are…

[@homerfeltheim12345]

This car is a case of “the engineers were so preoccupied with if they could they didn’t stop to think if they should”. This should have been a 6 cylinder

[@QactisX]

Nah this is a case of engineer must do what the big heads say or lose their job

[@aw11man26]

Mercedes has a turbo 3.0 straight six now

[@johnnygeorgopoulos4072]

Just think, you can get the E53 and get the 3L I6 Turbo.... the engine they should've used as the base for this if they insisted 🙄

[@Mandingy24]

​@@QactisXand the big heads must do what big government tells them or lose their entire business

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@johnnygeorgopoulos4072 I wonder if there was space for both the I6 and the hybrid system?

[@andrewmemije]

“It’s course, rough, irritating, and it gets everywhere.” I DIED

[@michaelswick4251]

It’s tough work but somebody has to do it. Italy, France, Switzerland. Back road driving. So rough. Enjoyed immensely! Looking forward to the Ferrari. Can’t believe they put an AMG badge on crap.

[@VSX500]

This is honestly the best review of a car that I watched since TopGear's style car reviews. Amazing job guys ❤

[@mercboy111]

Good review and objectively presented. This is a classic example of fixing something that wasn't broken.

[@Lucifer_Cardozo]

So true

[@vanpeltcollamer6079]

The emissions of the v8 is what they fixed

[@Boguardis]

I wouldn't say objective. Not at all. But it is a thorough and fair review. I think the car will grow on people, but at the same token I don't think AMG is moving in the right direction with the utilization of the 4 cylinder in a c63. c43 sure, if they could have pumped 500 horsepower out of it. But it still loses to the older b58 in it's current iteration. And barely edges out a W against an S5.

[@VersanGetryx]

I was hesitantly optimistic about this new C63, but so sad to see all the expected flaws came to pass. I've had 3 W204 C63s and currently have a W205 C63S, and seeing this just cements the fact Mercedes will never make a car like these again. They've really taken out all the fun, raucousness, and excitement from the car. To anyone who hasn't tried driving or seeing a W204 C63 in person, the 6.2L is hilarious and will make you question how Mercedes ever put such a crazy car out there.

[@Boguardis]

I have a dream that one day Mercedes will wake up and realize their mistakes and then put a M159 in their c63/e63. Then have a supercharged variant. Hey, I can dream right? I don't see why they couldn't go that route. You would think after all these years they could figure out how to make it "pollute" less and be more efficient. I'm holding onto my w211 63 with both hands.

[@VersanGetryx]

@@Boguardis Great choice sir, the W211 E63 was the pinnacle of styling imo.

[@qupeter1224]

i heard they will bring v8 back to 63 in 2026😅😅

[@Boguardis]

Not happening. At least not with the c63/e63.@@qupeter1224

[@AHondaCivicEX]

@@qupeter1224 AMG themselves said the only V8 will be present today and for later releases are G wagon, S-class, E-class and GT-class and all of them have to be the highest end of the trim except G-wagon, which comes in any trim (EQG doesnt count for obvious reason) The funniest thing is, reports filtering in from local dealers according to German media, allegedly records "close to zero" sales for the C63SE Performance💀💀💀

[@spb78art]

You guys are raising the bar for auto journalists with each new video. Thank you so much for the hard work

[@LiSTRONG631]

Glad I just got my hands on a 16 C63s with 33k miles on the clock. Long live the V8

[@jjj4888]

I used to think of the C63 as the German muscle car, moreso than even most of the M cars. The W204 just growled in a way that no other car really reproduced. Now it's a hybrid turbo 4 banger. If I wanted fuel efficiency I would get a Prius.

[@GregDennisReviews]

Happy for the C43 to keep the 2.0 4-Cylinder, but this new C63 could have at least have a V6.

[@bigbw0ii]

I was really hoping it would have the inline 6 they used on the amg gt53. That engine sounds really good.

[@Rolex0360]

@@bigbw0iithey keep V6 for e63s

[@VaunShiz]

The C43 down my street has a 6 cyl 🤷

[@GregDennisReviews]

@@VaunShiz The previous gen C43 was a V6 👍

[@testpirate2570]

I have a w205 c63s…. And I’ll just put hundreds of thousands of miles/klm on it and rebuild the motor before ever touching e-poop. The future of cars is absolutely soulless. Lastly , most entertaining reviews , don’t ever change .

[@SpeedCafeGarage]

I applaud you for keeping yours. I'll def have one in the stable soon.

[@3v3rhard]

same

[@vecernicek2]

I hate that they couldn't make it at least a 6 cylinder, but thought that maybe one benefit of the 4 banger would be the lower weight. But Mercedes for some reason decided to make this as heavy as a full size SUV. What were they thinking?

[@Harry-Giles]

Former W204 C63 AMG owner and I enjoyed your review immensely. I suspect I would agree with your views on this new version.

[@peterj5751]

And hey, Mercedes has done a great job of improving the value of your car. 😄

[@Edison.m3806]

Honestly, Mercedes engineers were totally confused when they came up with this car. It's almost as if they were pressurised into making such a car from these climate activists.

[@eliali2860]

Every manufacturer has a cap on how much emissions they produce. Since Mercedes has trucks they hit their cap so they had to downsize the engine

[@ccourteau82]

No matter how much these dealers or manufacturers look to appease you guys we can always count on you to deliver an entertaining, unbiased review that the car enthusiast community can hang their hat on and for that we thank you ❤

[@ajibola76]

This car is taking a beating in every amg forum Im on and I actually thought the professional reviewers would think otherwise….i was wrong

[@ambergris5705]

I think this car's shortcomings highlight the incredible job that Volvo did with the Polestar 1. Similar concept (4 cylinder + big electric motor), though with a bit more emphasis on the electric motor for the Swede, also very weighty, and with an engine not necessarily known for being charismatic. To be fair, the Polestar is 50% more expensive, gets away with being cramped since it's a GT not a saloon, and most importantly, does not have to follow two generations of cars whose identity was 95% based on incredible V8 engines. But it's a testament to their wonderful job that most reviewers didn't know what to expect of the Polestar, were unconvinced that it was going to be any good (between the weird powertrain, elephant weight and Volvo origins, not known for being drivers cars), and yet, all walked away having fallen in love with the car. So Polestar proved it's possible, and AMG proved it's difficult. Only one of those two brands can walk away from this with a sense of accomplishment.

[@joshuathomas512]

Horsepower is usually the marketing benchmark to differentiate new from old, but this had a leap compared to previous gens due to the added weight, not sure where they'll go from here, prob reducing weight figures but it might effect long term growth due to the rapid increase

[@Sakhmeov]

If Merc has any sense, they'll take their whole return to I6s and spin it that way instead. They make some of the best blocks, and the I6 is the optimal engine design for a variety of reasons, all of which also translate on toward making it something of the best to mate to a hybrid drivetrain (put the engine to one side, and direct crank it to the gearbox mated to the electrical engine on the other, and then shove the whole package waaay back in the bay for that sweet weight distribution).

[@nicktune1219]

After this generation they’re most likely going to cancel the C63 all together and throw everything into an EQC63. This car seems more like a technology demonstrator than anything. A bad attempt at recreating a new NSX or ford gt.

[@greg5143]

So either M3 or Giulia QV are the main choices for driving enthusiasts in this class.

[@arthurcatalanotto1151]

Or possibly the IS 500. Yes, the Lexus will not corner as a German car would; but, the sound and the feel of the naturally aspirated 5L engine may be satisfying enough to an enthusiast. I am very disappointed with Mercedes and will be switching to another brand.

[@greg5143]

@@arthurcatalanotto1151 I actually thought about this car for a while. But it just sounds like it's not nearly the driving fun of the Alfa. Gear box sounds like a nightmare in the IS.

[@Madmax10674]

Mercedes isn’t Ferrari. They sell volume and have to worry about meeting fleet fuel economy regulations at least a little. Think about it, if you could design a car without having to worry about fuel economy, the only electricity you might use in the powertrain besides the ignition coil is perhaps an electric turbocharger done right. More than likely, with all modern technology at your disposal, youd still go with a NA V8 or V10, or better yet, a boxer 6 in a lightweight and compact package (thank you Porsche). Mercedes is trying to embrace the horror with all this fancy electrification and it just loads up weight and sucks the joy out of the driving experience. Great video, guys. Please do more and don’t confine your sampling to high end stuff. I’m in the market for a three row crossover to replace my wife’s 14 year old MDX and after reading these comments, I’m wondering if I should take the GLS off my list and just wait for the Lexus TX550+ (maybe Toyota does plug in hybrids best?).

[@kra8437]

Thanks guys, you nailed it! BHP isn't everything. Visceral appeal is a lot and it's been missing from the interior of MB cars for a long time now, and modern BS has made it's way under the hood and out the back, and on an AMG! Big miss from MB. We need more journalists/reviewers tearing into this madness, so manufacturers and consumers start listening.

[@specialperson170]

Imagine the repairs this thing will require after just a few thousand miles

[@Kaipeternicolas]

you mean because somebody will understeer this heavy POS into a wall or another car? haha.

[@ams914]

If you can afford a six-figure car, does it really matter?

[@Kaipeternicolas]

@@ams914 yeah it does. Most people lease these for $1000/mo. On the 2nd hand market these things will be $50k quickly. That's not a lot of money. Then needing any $10k repair or whatever it's gonna cost IS expensive. I own some $100k cars too. Doesn't mean a $5k repair doesn't hurt.

[@specialperson170]

@@Kaipeternicolas right just because its 120k new doesnt mean it will be 120k in around 5 years when a new one gets made honestly id be suprised if the repairs for this is less than 10k because of how complicated mercedes loves to make there cars

[@Kaipeternicolas]

@@specialperson170 exactly. It will be half of that probably.

[@senseibullish1803]

I need a c63 in my life. A real one

[@somerandomfella]

Managed to get a final build delivered in a few weeks.

[@MarcRebilletClips]

There's still a few in the USA. 2023. I just got mine delivered. Definitely will hold value til the end of time! Got it in Designo Graphite Grey Magno, every Carbon option, and full-body PPF'd her.

[@AkuNoHana]

Not being shy with your opinion when auto makers put out absolute crap like this is why you guys are still the best in the business.

[@AdamIsUrqed]

I am looking forward to KZbinrs cramming V-8s back into this thing a decade from now.

[@DefinitelyNotEmma]

"Hey guys welcome to B is for build, and today I got something special for you..."

[@Monaco377]

Today's automotive pootubers are a joke aside from a select few. People on MBWorld will start doing that from day 1.

[@bigchungus-oj5zo]

Sadly I don’t this is possible there’s probably a gazillion ecu’s on this car that would dislike the v8.

[@nirfz]

Thanks a lot guys! Every "fear" i had that this car would be like, you guys mentioned. I drive a Merceds for almost 25 years now. And for 9 years it's a E63 (with the 6.2L V8, one of the last ones in the e-class before the change to the 5.5 BiTurbo). And my car is over 200kg lighter than this undeserving of it's name "C63". The first owner of my car ticked every box there was apart from the backup camera. (even a nightvision camera is in the car) and with it's over 6L V8 it's still a whole Motorcycle lighter than the top C-class!. Another point of reference: even the G wagons with the short wheelbase they stopped making in the 2000's are lighter than this c-class! And as for the fuel efficiency: on a long journey (in central europe, where i live) i have managed to achieve 9.9L/100km once, and under 11 L/100km a few times. So to me this hybrid thingy isn't as efficient as it seems. (my overall fuel consumption number over the 9 years of ownership is 13,1 L/100km. ) So this C-class is heavier than my old V8, worse in it's HMI, more distracting with it's HMI, only a tiny bit better in fuel efficiency (than my V8) seems to not do comfort comfortably, and sounds like everybodys 4 cyl car. We have reached a sad point in Mercedes and AMG history in my view. (and in some points with current MB cars i get the feeling that they forgott their maing comptence: how to build cars.) -> I try to keep my good old E63 for as long as i can! And if i have to look for something else, and i have the feeling a replacement won't wear the 3 pointed star anymore. @Mercerdes: At the moment you guys are practicing "how to best loose decades long customers".

[@boyutang6990]

The turbo lag for Mercedes 4 cylinder is unreal, I hated it so much in my CLA45. Now it's in C63 ... And the motor doesn't even fix it lol. C63 used to be the entry to the world of AMG, and Mercedes ruined it. But the car would still sell as always, the car's target audience is shifting from car enthusiast to rich people.

[@darrenprior6339]

Weight, weight and more weight followed by more and more and more complexity. This seems to be the modern way with cars. The more I see this stuff the more grateful I am for my little GR Yaris and Morizo Corolla.

[@SKBSKBSKBSKBSK]

I hope they sell like 10 cars before production is pulled. It is aesthetically pleasing though.

[@nomercymayhem]

Great job team. Your content has been ridiculously good recently.

[@reillywilloughby]

Wow. You guys are really living the rough life over there. Looks like an awful trip driving luxury cars through one of the most beautiful places in the world. Sarcasm aside, so happy that you've made it this far. I remember when you had ~150k subscribers. So cool to see how far you have come.

[@jancizmarik4345]

Luxury sedan should be comfortable and they point out this one is not, whats wrong with pointing out the fact? Or do you have an opinion about a fact? If you want a fast car and you dont care about comfort, go for a sports car, not a heavy sedan.. Whole point they are trying to make is that Mercedes has ruined a legend they created 15 years ago.

[@mrartdeco]

So you prefer them lying about how good it is while promoting local tourism spot?

[@jerehada]

What made me laugh was they spent most of it on the highway and not on some of the best driving roads in the world.

[@jancizmarik4345]

@@jerehada That is where the C63 lives majority of the time, autobahn...

[@andresg01]

Boy! I am so excited with this new series! It's the same joy I used to get when I had to wait for days to watch the next episode of the old Top Gear! Good job guys!

[@Fifthelement203]

If I was a Mercedes engineer I would be in tears after watching this. We would have to recall all of em n start over. Dam MB u messed up.

[@rykehuss3435]

I think the engineers all knew it was going to be crap.

[@MG-dt6iq]

„It gatekeeps the way you should operate the car“ - exact same thing with the new GLC. Man I‘ve been frustrated with the speedometer just stopping to work at 160 km/h. Ridiculous for a 75k Euro car.

[@dertobi257]

Wdym?

[@sa34w]

This felt like a Topgear episode , what a review ❤

[@makatron]

It's been like that for years, production quality and storytelling is right up there, not a dull moment with these two.

[@CanadianStig990]

Looking forward to the new C43 review as well! Considering you guys both picked the W205 C43 when doing the last German sport sedan comparison, the new one will be interesting!

[@babyteeth4]

New Throttle House video + AMG = instant click!

[@zygarde2162]

Any new Throttle House is an instant like and click. They never disappoint!!!❤

[@costafilh0]

AMG is DEAD!

[@Rolex0360]

@@costafilh0not yet we have gt63se With AMG v8

[@henzo7087]

@@Rolex0360 M5 CS smokes it. BMW are the best cars right now. Dominates GT3 and GT4 racing too

[@Rolex0360]

@@henzo7087 who own the nuburgring record?😂💔

[@dann2468]

Can I just say I just discovered ur channel and you guys are the next best thing after top gear and grand tour after the 3 musketeers left. Well done lads 🤝🏾🤝🏾🤝🏾

[@rokavsec6399]

As a past owner of w204 c63 for more then 7 years.. seeing this new model brings a tear or two to my eyes.. of sadness.

[@BIGGELATO]

This is the result of what AI would think a car should be like if you gave it instructions to build a hybrid, 2.0T, 680HP, luxury sedan, that used to have a monster under the hood that roared so loudly it would wake the city up in shock, and every car guy would know an AMG just drove by, lol. So here AI, build me that car. The car:

[@alsanpi]

My 2018 c63s (last one with no OPF) is rocketing in price every day after the new c63s gen came out. One minute of silence for the V8 death, we will miss them sooner than later

[@Bond58]

The power of freedom of speech and the free market will prevail.

[@bc49_49]

It will be interesting to see your review on the new C43. Same 4 cylinder but without a lot of the complexity and weight.

[@samiwasti8400]

I didn’t even consider C63. My options were 2023 C43 AMG or 2023 BMW M3 Comp. C43 was the value proposition at $25k cheaper. Ended up getting the M3, why consider the C63 when it’s a 4cyl like the C43 and costs as much as the M3.

[@ChingchongWong-u5t]

@samiwasti8400 the c63 and c43 is literally night and day difference… why are you even comparing a C43 to an M3 on top of that the c63 has much more into it than it just being a 4 cylinder. Just because they have the same 4 cylinder doesnt mean anything. The c63 has much more to offer ontop of the C63 and the c43 should never be compared to the M3. did you even watch the video?

[@samiwasti8400]

@@ChingchongWong-u5t because I don’t want the C63. Not paying $100k for a 4 cylinder that I have to charge. That’s so annoying I don’t wanna have to put gas and charge a car it’s the worst of both worlds. The C43 looked nice and was peppy for only $72k fully loaded with some of Mercedes best luxury

[@hassanger8128]

​@samiwasti8400 Well, based on what you said, the M3 should have been easily your only choice.

[@mike-sc2nk]

You guys are amazing. Living the true car guys dream. I am completely jealous. Never stop being yourselves, that’s the real reason we watch.

[@floridamankyle5461]

If you own a V8 AMG C class, the value is gonna go up like crazy because of this car, so that is a plus for them. Also, 18:13, yes when I think of a German built, F1 inspired performance engine, the first name that comes to mind is JATUFOOM KOOMBUA?!

[@57precision]

Jatufoom Koombua? Unironically, yes.

[@ctailx]

I hope you’re right about the value going up. I have a 2020 C63s and have been thinking of trading it in for something else. Just don’t know what. 😕

[@57precision]

@@ctailx CT5 Blackwing. That's a car almost guaranteed to appreciate as long as you don't beat it up.

[@n0rep1y]

Same. After owning C63s cab for a year, I don’t know what to replace it with.

[@57precision]

@@n0rep1y Blackwing ofc

[@HoganCemper]

I currently have a W205 C63S. Sad to say I won’t be in another Mercedes with the way they are going.

[@sooocheesy]

Reminds me of driving a Volvo T8 car a few years ago.. Supercharged, Turbocharged, 4cyl plug-in hybrid. It was a mess to drive and very difficult to get a feel for what would happen when you hit either pedal. And the powertrain was bound to turn into a spectacularly expensive string of failures over time due to how many things they tried to shove into one car.

[@AmericanBusinessman422]

Ukraine flags in bios are for idiots

[@gambiting]

Hard disagree, having lived with a T8 for over 3 years now it's a very performant, predictable engine - that cost practically nothing to drive in daily use, but offers the oomph when needed. It's an incredible piece of engineering from Volvo.

[@MauriOTB]

@@gambiting As a former Volvo Tech, enjoy your catastrophic hybrid system failure since it's not a question of if but rather when it happens.

[@gambiting]

@@MauriOTB I don't plan to ever own it without some kind of extended warranty so I'm really not bothered. Plan to keep this car for about 8-10 years total. And I really don't believe this drivetrain is as catastrophic as people say, the T8s have been on the market for 7 years now and the stories of truly catastrophic failures are far and between, not any worse than most other cars I've owned(better in fact).

[@quavohuncho6156]

Disagree, i have a Volvo XC60 T8 and i love it! No issues at all , feels safe and premium.

[@LF-du4uc]

Thank you for your sacrifice guys, we appreciate it.

[@jw6188]

As a BMW fanboy. Keep it up Mercedes! 😂🎉🎉🎉

[@twmatica]

they will be doing the same tho

[@mattcook3801]

Yeah, it makes me laugh too.

[@mattcook3801]

Yeah, it makes me laugh too.

[@MadDaCube]

@@twmatica The next gen M3 will be fully electric. They will just skip the Hybrid nonsense on that. The next M5 will have a hybrid powertrain but at least it will keep a V8 and it's a bigger car all around so it can get away with additional weight more easily than the C-Class/M3.

[@MrSchn3ll]

As a Porsche fanboy, lol at both brands.

[@StrahinjaSekulic-nu3vd]

The thing I don't understand is if car guys can accept electric motors in a bunch of city cars, suvs etc. Why can't they accept a V8 in a car that should be a V8?! Like the percentage of those is way smaller compared to other "normal" cars so why would they have to be "cleaned" ...

[@dylanw890]

Wow you guys are living the dream in Europe! Happy to see that after humble beginnings both of you are testing the lastest and greatest supercars, very inspiring! I agree with you that when Mercedes came out with this car, they were trying to provide a product that no one asked for which is unfortunate. I also feel that overly complicated the car while adding excess weight whereas the V8 was already a heavy car. I hope to get my hands on the last gen.

[@oldcrook510]

That much power and compression into a 4 banger is quite scary especially after the warranty is expired...

[@gambiting]

Why? The A45 with its incredible and boosted to the stratosphere 4-cylinder has been on the market for literally 10 years now and these engines have proven to be absolutely bomb proof - quite a few people already with 200kkm+ on them and they just work. Other things on these cars have issues but not the engines. And this motor is just an evolution of the M133, so why exactly would it be a problem?

[@poot111111]

Is this going to be one of those cars where they intentionally give you a worse (heavier) car initially, just to sell you a lighter (and waaaay more expensive) special version later? James May's rant on the Ferrari 360 comes to mind ... also, James May's cheese rant comes to mind as well, lol !

[@SpeedCafeGarage]

I think you mean 430 rant, when he compared it to the Taste the difference cheese. Ferrari made the 430, then came out with the Scud that was way more expensive. But yea I get what you mean

[@Sideways_Singh]

No, they already offer the lighter better car, the c43, both suck hard tho.

[@josephmuniz9959]

You two are FU%king great! Some of the references you make are too comical. Love the content you guys make. Keep up the amazing work!!!!!!!!!

[@siyamthethwa8100]

The biggest miss of the decade.... The looks are there and all they had to do was put a v8

[@ApothecaryTerry]

Regulations, a V8 was never an option. Considering the weight and the boot space though, I wouldn't be surprised if it has a V8- it's using one as ballast under the boot floor. It's the only explanation I can come up with for it being too heavy to go over most bridges.

[@flvyu]

Put it yourself

[@iscream1253]

@@ApothecaryTerry at least put a 6 cylinder if 8 isnt a viable option :/

[@sirgeorgioalastrata4104]

@@iscream1253 or vote out the climate scammers and get normal politicians in

[@WEKS87]

Man, Mercedes has been dropping the ball lately.

[@makatron]

It's the emissions laws everywhere forcing everybody to lower the cylinder count.

[@Mb789x]

And it’ll get angry if you depress the throttle on a C63!

[@WEKS87]

@@makatron Seems the engine is just one of the problems with this one.

[@tenzinsmith]

At least they have an eco ball

[@makatron]

@@WEKS87 engine was fine when I drove the CLA45s AMG, I just the find the whole "boost" isn't that exciting. The C300e at least have 100km EV range.

[@LONGWALDO]

And this why I just purchased a Lexus IS500…..

[@HeretolearnX]

Smart man 🤝🏿

[@papa_pt]

Nice, should hold value very well

[@faheemabbas3965]

Mercedes is just a planned obsolescence brand now.

[@seansiew5629]

start building power from that v8, as a Toyota it won't "break"

[@softroseforyou7457]

@@HeretolearnX Why is he smart when he got a car that does 0 to 60 in 4.4 seconds. This car blows it away with 2.9 seconds. Yes he will lose races and go home and say but I won with the sound. SMH LOL

[@AA-jx5fv]

Ive always been a mercedes fan, but bmw is slowly winning me over

[@martj1313]

Imagine the fault codes on this in a few years.

[@TheUrbanEpicure]

Why would there be any? Was tested for a million miles in harsher conditions than you, or anyone, will ever use it in. It weighs so much for a reason (hint: it's not the battery size). These borderline slander-y comments just because you'll never even come close to being able to afford one are just pathetic.

[@Monaco377]

​@ToxicDonut81 You should delete that last sentence bud. People on MBWorld are all saying they are hanging onto their 204 and 205s, not interested in the new one in the slightest. You can bet yout butt that most of those people can most certainly easily afford the 206.

[@TheUrbanEpicure]

@@Monaco377 Why would you assume that? Most 204s and 205s on that forum have 30k+ miles on them, the price of one of those is worlds apart from the new 206. Given the low tax rate and cost of living in the US, anyone with a half-decent job can afford a well-used, maybe salvaged 205/206 there. That being said, these guys should totally hang on to their V8s, I would do the same. But not because the new car will be unreliable, but because it's such a disappointment.

[@Monaco377]

@@TheUrbanEpicure Most people on that forum buy their cars new, because most of them post photos of themselves picking their car up new. The same people have been vocal about not wanting to step into the new one, for the reason you stated. It's a disappointment.

[@TheUrbanEpicure]

@@Monaco377 Cool, why did you reply to my message then? My point was that the new one does not necessarily have to be unrealiable a few years down the road. Never said it wasn't a disappointment.

[@SME5724]

I always wonder what the engineers of these vehicles think when they get a “not so good” review lol keeping it real is much appreciated boys